Re: non argumentative question for paul :-)

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Hi

You've found me out - pretty quick too. No - I'm not a growth hormone expert.

Thierry Hertoghe is though and I know that he prescribes growth hormone to some

of his patients (damned expensive as well I would imagine).

I'd suggest doing some Internet searches for papers by him or he may have a

website.

Please post any findings that you have back on the forum as I'd be interested to

see what you find.

Sheila has a copy of his book but I'm not sure if she's read it yet or whether

she knows the answer to this.

I'm more curious about why you would ask. Using growth hormone if someone is not

chronically ill with hypopituitarism is a big step. For most of the rest of us

simply finding the right blend of thyroid hormone is a perfectly adequate fix.

If our cells need more T3 then we can use NT or T4/T3. If we need more T3 still

then we can use T3/NT or increase the T3:T4 ratio or even use pure T3. This is a

relatively simple process and one that is far more understood than using growth

hormone (probably cheaper too).

Anyway, I'd be interested in what you find out.

Cheers,

> I'm looking to learn more about the effects of human growth hormone on t4 to

t3 conversion. I am under the impression that gh increases this conversion

[Guest guest]

It's not really a case of having read " The Hormone

Handbook " , mostly I have, but it is a reference book, with over 300 of

those pages being references to the science/studies etc. This Hormone Handbook

concentrates on the deficiency and treatment of all the hormones, and doesn't

go into such things as the effects of growth hormone on T4 and T3 thyroid

hormone levels or thyroid hormone conversion. You can see and listen to him on

Youtube.

- but it's cut short.

Luv - Sheila

> I'm looking to learn more about the effects of human growth hormone on t4

to t3 conversion. I am under the impression that gh increases this conversion

[Guest guest]

hello

i just wondered if you had any knowledge on this, that's all, as i gather that

gh can help with t4-t3 conversion. i have read around the subject but not found

much about it

i don't want to discuss my reasons for looking into GH, t3 etc on an open forum.

c

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> > I'm more curious about why you would ask. Using growth hormone if someone is

not chronically ill with hypopituitarism is a big step. For most of the rest of

us simply finding the right blend of thyroid hormone is a perfectly adequate

fix. If our cells need more T3 then we can use NT or T4/T3. If we need more T3

still then we can use T3/NT or increase the T3:T4 ratio or even use pure T3.

This is a relatively simple process and one that is far more understood than

using growth hormone (probably cheaper too).

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[Guest guest]

Sorry this is not my speciality. If you want to talk more about it

sometime - you can email me.

> i just wondered if you had any knowledge on this, that's all, as i gather that

gh can help with t4-t3 conversion. i have read around the subject but not found

much about it

[Guest guest]

would like to hear that discussion on the forum I am interested in that. someon I know has a problem with growth hormone and I'd be interested to hear what you both have to say about it. xx

Sorry this is not my speciality. If you want to talk more about it sometime - you can email me.> i just wondered if you had any knowledge on this, that's all, as i gather that gh can help with t4-t3 conversion. i have read around the subject but not found much about it

[Guest guest]

Sorry have I missed something - is an author ?

Mandy

[Guest guest]

what is their problem Sally?

I know next to nothing about GH

C

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> would like to hear that discussion on the forum I am interested in that. 

someon I know has a problem with growth hormone and I'd be interested to hear

what you both have to say about it.  xx

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Hi Mandy,

has written about his experiences with t3, and is aiming to have it

published soon. I'm not sure if he has written anything else though.....

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Well I have two people actually and they just havent grown!? The lad is about half the size he should be? Chris. Hope you are well. much love, Sally xx

what is their problem Sally?I know next to nothing about GHC>> > > > would like to hear that discussion on the forum I am interested in that. someon I know has a problem with growth hormone and I'd be interested to hear what you both have to say about it. xx>

[Guest guest]

I didn't understand the subject heading - non argumentative question for ?

M

[Guest guest]

Just a bit of good humor here.....

Cheers,

JOT

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[Guest guest]

Its going to be pretty dull really. Just some experience of using T3 - no great

mega best-seller or anything. Certainly not anything to get excited about. Don't

expect anything earth shattering - I'm not an earth shattering sort of person as

anyone that reads any of my posts will soon discover.

Have a nice weekend.

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> Hi Mandy,

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> has written about his experiences with t3, and is aiming to have it

published soon. I'm not sure if he has written anything else though.....

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Will the book be available in the US? on Amazon.com?

I'm looking forward to it !!

Cheers,

JOT

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> Its going to be pretty dull really. Just some experience of using T3 - no

great mega best-seller or anything. Certainly not anything to get excited about.

Don't expect anything earth shattering - I'm not an earth shattering sort of

person as anyone that reads any of my posts will soon discover.

> Have a nice weekend.

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God knows - I'll probably be reduced to standing on some street corner or a tube

station trying to hawk them around.

Don't get excited or especially interested. If it happens then it happens. If it

does then it won't be something to get too excited about. Most of these types of

books don't really have a major impact - they sometimes have the odd bit of info

in them that can be useful.

That's it.

Thanks Jitterjotter.

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> Will the book be available in the US? on Amazon.com?

> I'm looking forward to it !!

[Guest guest]

Oh, you are so modest . I can tell you all that this book is

not " pretty dull " , it will be a best seller - and after publication

and it gets onto every doctors desk, it will soon become their bible - assuming

that these doctors can read, which I am beginning to wonder, because it is

obvious very few have read the science or studies already published and

available for all to see - if only they would.

I will be queuing with the rest to get my precious book signed.

Luv - Sheil

Its going to be pretty dull really. Just some

experience of using T3 - no great mega best-seller or anything. Certainly not

anything to get excited about. Don't expect anything earth shattering - I'm not

an earth shattering sort of person as anyone that reads any of my posts will

soon discover.

Have a nice weekend.

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> has written about his experiences with t3, and is aiming to have it

published soon. I'm not sure if he has written anything else though.....

[Guest guest]

how old is he? Lionel messi had GH treatment, paid for by his club, as a child

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/20/childhood-barcelona-medicine-lion\

el-messi

Chris

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> Well I have two people actually and they just havent grown!?  The lad is

about half the size he should be?

[Guest guest]

Hi

will this citation help?

from the Discussion section

[[....The current study further shows that the T3-induced phosphorylation of AMPK leads to increased fatty acid oxidation, which would subsequently increase mitochondrial acetyl-CoA levels and stimulate oxidative phosphorylation. T3 exerts profound effects on cell growth, differentiation, and thermogenesis, processes that may consume a considerable amount of ATP or dissipate mitochondrial membrane potential. Thus, cells with limited energy turnover could not properly respond to T3. The activation of AMPK would allow cells to switch on ATP-generating pathways and render them acceptable for T3. ]]

http://mend.endojournals.org/content/22/4/893.full.pdf+html

best wishes

Bob

>> Hi > > You've found me out - pretty quick too. No - I'm not a growth hormone expert. > > Thierry Hertoghe is though and I know that he prescribes growth hormone to some of his patients (damned expensive as well I would imagine).

[Guest guest]

Hey Bob thanks for this. I'm not sure how the AMPK can be applied though - is

this stuff that can be made into a drug and used as a co-factor for those people

who may not even respond to T3?

Are you thinking of something else?

You've obviously got something in mind.

Cheers,

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