Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 oxide is no good,if your gut is ok you can use at least 400 mg of these http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-High-Absorption-Magnesium-240-Tablets/16567?at=0 if your gut is sensitive beter use these.also 400 mg at least. http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutrition-Chelated-Magnesium-180-Veggie-Caps/21160?at=0 add some magnesium oil.i cannot help you with brand On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Ben Roche <ben_roche1@...> wrote: Hey guys,So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in combo with Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my low levels of potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com?Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 You can use any form of magnesium that you want, except the oxide form. Oxide isn't " harmful " , but it's not bioavailable, so you won't be getting enough magnesium if you use it. I have to use the magnesium oil because my gut is so sensitive to magnesium and its laxative effect. Using both internal pills and the external oil is a good combination. There are always a lot of opinions about supplements. The liquid-supplement faction tends to believe they are always correct, however, liquid supplements are EXPENSIVE and hard to find for many people. You have to make your own choices. Magnesium chloride is the form the body uses, and any other form of mag is converted by the body into mag chloride. That form is more expensive, but it's more efficient for the body. But again, you have to make your own choices. As long as you don't take oxide, you'll be fine, just find the form(s) that works best for you. -- At 01:58 PM 5/28/2011, you wrote: >oxide is no good,if your gut is ok you can use at least 400 mg of these > ><http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-High-Absorption-Magnesium-240-Tablets/16567\ ?at=0>http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-High-Absorption-Magnesium-240-Tablets/1\ 6567?at=0 > >if your gut is sensitive beter use these.also 400 mg at least. > ><http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutrition-Chelated-Magnesium-180-Veggie-Caps/2\ 1160?at=0>http://www.iherb.com/Bluebonnet-Nutrition-Chelated-Magnesium-180-Veggi\ e-Caps/21160?at=0 >add some magnesium oil.i cannot help you with brand > >On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Ben Roche ><<mailto:ben_roche1@...>ben_roche1@...> wrote: > > >Hey guys, >So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is >harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go >with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say >liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in >combo with Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my >low levels of potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. > >Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com? > >Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you take. > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Ben, the mag oil is absolutely the best and also cheapest if you mix it yourself which is very easy. Mag oil won't upset yur stomach no matter how much you use. Also, applied topically, (which is what you do with the oil) it takes longer to absorb which helps your body to be able to assimilate it better. I take my calcium alng with my mag oil because I've read that the 2 work together to help your body absorb it better. Hope this helps.The mag oil is magnesium citrate.ArielOn Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ben Roche <ben_roche1@...> wrote: Hey guys, So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in combo with Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my low levels of potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com? Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you take. -- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 PS - also if you buy mag oil in crytal form you can mix it up with water and it's WAY cheaper that way. We buy our mag oil from an aquarium supply shop which is even cheaper. In total, we spend about $25/year for our mag oil and both my husband and I use it daily, also I put it on my horse's injured tendon - it helps to build and repair soft tissue so is good for any soft tissue problems. Use about 1 to 2 tsp per day applied on your skin. I put it on my lower back because of chronic pain - now I have no pain if I take my mag oil daily and I had arthritis and lots of pain in my body before.Ariel On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...> wrote: Ben, the mag oil is absolutely the best and also cheapest if you mix it yourself which is very easy. Mag oil won't upset yur stomach no matter how much you use. Also, applied topically, (which is what you do with the oil) it takes longer to absorb which helps your body to be able to assimilate it better. I take my calcium alng with my mag oil because I've read that the 2 work together to help your body absorb it better. Hope this helps.The mag oil is magnesium citrate.ArielOn Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ben Roche <ben_roche1@...> wrote: Hey guys, So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in combo with Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my low levels of potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com? Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you take. -- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue -- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 magnesium oil is magnesium chloride. about calcium you can read this book one day and what a doctor write in the reviews. The Calcium Lie: What Your Doctor Doesn't Know Could Kill You On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...> wrote: Ben, the mag oil is absolutely the best and also cheapest if you mix it yourself which is very easy. Mag oil won't upset yur stomach no matter how much you use. Also, applied topically, (which is what you do with the oil) it takes longer to absorb which helps your body to be able to assimilate it better. I take my calcium alng with my mag oil because I've read that the 2 work together to help your body absorb it better. Hope this helps.The mag oil is magnesium citrate.Ariel On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ben Roche <ben_roche1@...> wrote: Hey guys,So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in combo with Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my low levels of potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com?Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you take. -- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 >The mag oil is magnesium citrate. Correction: the mag oil is magnesium chloride. Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate, also a good choice for soaking in baths. The best source, imo, for magnesium oil that is already made up and in a spray bottle, is Swansonsvitamins.com -- At 02:42 PM 5/28/2011, you wrote: >Ben, the mag oil is absolutely the best and also cheapest if you mix it >yourself which is very easy. Mag oil won't upset yur stomach no matter how >much you use. Also, applied topically, (which is what you do with the oil) >it takes longer to absorb which helps your body to be able to assimilate >it better. I take my calcium alng with my mag oil because I've read that >the 2 work together to help your body absorb it better. >Hope this helps. >The mag oil is magnesium citrate. >Ariel > >On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ben Roche ><<mailto:ben_roche1@...>ben_roche1@...> wrote: > > >Hey guys, >So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is >harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go >with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say >liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in >combo with Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my >low levels of potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. > >Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com? > >Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you take. > > > > >-- > " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " >-Tom Donohue > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 sorry wasn't paying attention to my typing, thanks for correcting - yes, it's magnesium CHLORIDE.ArielOn Sat, May 28, 2011 at 3:48 PM, ido zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote: magnesium oil is magnesium chloride. about calcium you can read this book one day and what a doctor write in the reviews. The Calcium Lie: What Your Doctor Doesn't Know Could Kill You On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...> wrote: Ben, the mag oil is absolutely the best and also cheapest if you mix it yourself which is very easy. Mag oil won't upset yur stomach no matter how much you use. Also, applied topically, (which is what you do with the oil) it takes longer to absorb which helps your body to be able to assimilate it better. I take my calcium alng with my mag oil because I've read that the 2 work together to help your body absorb it better. Hope this helps.The mag oil is magnesium citrate.Ariel On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ben Roche <ben_roche1@...> wrote: Hey guys,So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in combo with Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my low levels of potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com?Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you take. -- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue -- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Ariel and others, I thought readers might be interested in the following opposing view given on the same page, as usual we have to wonder when a clear financial interest is being pushed. Stan-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This review is from: The Calcium Lie: What Your Doctor Doesn't Know Could Kill You (Paperback) I like to read about nutrition. I have been interested in the results of studies being published in the news about there being no relationship between increased calcium intake and the prevention of osteoporosis. I was looking forward to reading this book to fill in some of the details. I was disappointed. The forward for this book was written by the CEO of Trace Elements Inc, a company that manufactures costly mineral supplements and costly mineral deficiency tests. The book " The Calcium Lie " is mentioned prominently on that company's web site. The authors of " The Calicum Lie " , in turn, highly recommend the products of Trace Elements Inc throughout the book. At one point Dr. even writes that he would not trust mineral deficiency tests from anyone other than Trace Elements Inc. Dr. 's basic claims are that people do not need as much calcium as the USRDA recommends and that people actually get too much calcium, causing a number of common, severe, medical problems. Dr. claims that this is all due to basic biochemistry which doctors ignore and that can be found in any basic biochemistry book. Dr. hasn't made any arguments to prove his claims. Instead he floods the book by mentioning statistics and studies that are not directly related to his claims. This is a common tactic among flim-flam people and a common mistake among people who make weak arguments. Additionally, the book has no footnotes or endnotes. The back of the book has *some* (very few ) references per chapter, but no way of looking up the precise references Dr. makes. A number of the references are old and also to other pop nutrition books. The authors do not give any evidence for it being safe to use less calcium, they do not tell people how much calcium to get nor do they tell the readers how much of each of the 12 minerals that bones are made of to get. The authors do tell people to use sea salt liberally when the Mayo Clinic is recommending that healthy adults limit themselves to 1500 mg a day. The authors do encourage the liberal use of costly supplements from Trace Minerals Inc. The prose of the book reads like the marketing copy you can find on the packaging of alternative health products. From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Ariel MonserratSent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 4:57 PMiodine Subject: Re: Magnesium Confusion sorry wasn't paying attention to my typing, thanks for correcting - yes, it's magnesium CHLORIDE.ArielOn Sat, May 28, 2011 at 3:48 PM, ido zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote: magnesium oil is magnesium chloride.about calcium you can read this book one day and what a doctor write in the reviews. The Calcium Lie: What Your Doctor Doesn't Know Could Kill You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 iHerb carries a few types of magnesium oil that I could see and they all look perfectly acceptable if that is your preferred place to purchase: http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=magnesium+oil Unbelievable the price difference between the them!! Don't let the low price on the Life Flo product fool you - it is just as good as the others though unfortunately not in stock at this time. Couple of things ... The best bang for your buck is always going to be topical magnesium chloride because the body must convert any form of magnesium to the chloride form for use in the body ... providing it this way is much less work for the body - it is instantly available. Also, very easy and oh-so much more cost effective to make your own magnesium chloride by purchasing USP grade magnesium chloride crystals from an aquarium supply store or there on iHerb (same result page as above). Dilute 50:50 with quality water and presto! you have magnesium " oil " . Add something to make it a bit thick or creamy and then you have " lotion " . Or follow the directions to use as a bath or foot soak. Dosage: The iodine protocol calls for at least 400 mg of magnesium per day. That said the majority of the population is quite deficient and anyone with a major illness even more likely to be so. For those a loading dose (if tolerable) of 800 -1,200 mg/day for 4-6 weeks would be very helpful. Usually a maintenance dose thereafter is 800 mg/day but again it varies per individual. A search on this forum for " shealy magnesium " will give you more detailed information about that and about the results from Dr. Shealy's clinical studies about magnesium. If you decide to take oral Mg supplements then consider magnesium taurate, glycinate or citrate. Or mix and match any of the aforementioned :-) Good that you are taking potassium if you have low levels ~ a balance of these major minerals/electrolytes is important. Potassium bicarbonate is first on my list followed by potassium chloride. > > Hey guys, > So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in combo with Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my low levels of potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. > > Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com? > > Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you take. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Yes it is chloride. I have a bottle of it from Swanson's. From: Nevada <IndieCDs@...>iodine Sent: Sat, May 28, 2011 5:21:15 PMSubject: Re: Magnesium Confusion I believe that Mag oil is magnesium chloride not citrate. > > > > > > > Hey guys, > > So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is > > harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go with > > MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say liquid is > > best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in combo with > > Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my low levels of > > potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. > > > > Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com? > > > > Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you > > take. > > > > > > > > > > -- > *"Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring."* > -*Tom Donohue* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 I just bought a spray bottle of magnesium chloride from Swanson Vitamins. I haven't used it yet but I know I paid under $10 for it (first time buying from that site- I get nothing for mentioning this). Plus I bought a jar of magnesium chloride flakes for the bath.... I like to use different magnesium... Currently on a bottle of magnesium glycinate. > > Hey guys, > So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in combo with Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my low levels of potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. > > Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com? > > Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you take. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 I bought a 50 pound bag of magnesium chloride ice melt and am using that. As far as I know, magnesium chloride is magnesium chloride. The label says it contains less than 1% sodium chloride and less than 1% potassium chloride and 2% to 3% sodium chloride and it comes from the Dead Sea. I'm not afraid to use it. Anyone know of a reason why I should be? It was less than $17 for 50 lbs. It is my understanding that magnesium taurate is one of the better forms of magnesium for absorption and is especially effective for cardiovascular problems although it may be more expensive that other types of magnesium. > > > > Hey guys, > > So there is all the messages I've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is harmful, use the oil, don't use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in combo with Iodoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my low levels of potassium, I don't know if that matters at all. > > > > Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of iherb.com? > > > > Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you take. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 I have already written on the subject of " ice melt " grade magnesium chloride. Minerals that are not labeled for human food use do not necessarily have the same labeling requirements that human food uses do. So when a label says " 100% magnesium chloride " that number, 100% generally does not have the same legal requirement that a human-grade label has. In other words, 100% on a non-human-grade label is not the same assurance as 100% on a human-grade level. Moreover, the factory and packaging requirements are nowhere near the level for human-grade labels. If you care enough about your health to be taking iodine, you really shouldn't be ingesting road-grade magnesium. Personally I wouldn't ingest it, and I think it should not be suggested to people. So let me say, clearly, people, the iodine list does NOT support the use of ice-melt-grade magnesium chloride for human consumption or topical application. -- At 07:37 PM 5/28/2011, you wrote: >I bought a 50 pound bag of magnesium chloride ice melt and am using that. >As far as I know, magnesium chloride is magnesium chloride. The label says >it contains less than 1% sodium chloride and less than 1% potassium >chloride and 2% to 3% sodium chloride and it comes from the Dead Sea. I'm >not afraid to use it. Anyone know of a reason why I should be? It was less >than $17 for 50 lbs. > >It is my understanding that magnesium taurate is one of the better forms >of magnesium for absorption and is especially effective for cardiovascular >problems although it may be more expensive that other types of magnesium. > > > > > > > > Hey guys, > > > So there is all the messages I've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide > is harmful, use the oil, don't use the oil instead go with powder. Do I > go with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say > liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in > combo with Iodoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with > my low levels of potassium, I don't know if that matters at all. > > > > > > Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of iherb.com? > > > > > > Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form > you take. > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/ > > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ\ %20FIRST/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Have you considered cell salts?From: Nevada <IndieCDs@...>iodine Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 23:21:15Subject: Re: Magnesium Confusion I believe that Mag oil is magnesium chloride not citrate. > > > > > > > Hey guys, > > So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is > > harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go with > > MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say liquid is > > best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in combo with > > Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my low levels of > > potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. > > > > Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com? > > > > Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you > > take. > > > > > > > > > > -- > *"Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring."* > -*Tom Donohue* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I sure in heck wouldn't take something called ice melt not intended for human consumption.\Good Lord. Russian roulette with your health. Why? From: B <vbaker@...>iodine Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 12:30:31 AMSubject: Re: Re: Magnesium Confusion I have already written on the subject of "ice melt" grade magnesium chloride. Minerals that are not labeled for human food use do not necessarily have the same labeling requirements that human food uses do. So when a label says "100% magnesium chloride" that number, 100% generally does not have the same legal requirement that a human-grade label has. In other words, 100% on a non-human-grade label is not the same assurance as 100% on a human-grade level. Moreover, the factory and packaging requirements are nowhere near the level for human-grade labels. If you care enough about your health to be taking iodine, you really shouldn't be ingesting road-grade magnesium. Personally I wouldn't ingest it, and I think it should not be suggested to people. So let me say, clearly, people, the iodine list does NOT support the use of ice-melt-grade magnesium chloride for human consumption or topical application. -- At 07:37 PM 5/28/2011, you wrote: >I bought a 50 pound bag of magnesium chloride ice melt and am using that. >As far as I know, magnesium chloride is magnesium chloride. The label says >it contains less than 1% sodium chloride and less than 1% potassium >chloride and 2% to 3% sodium chloride and it comes from the Dead Sea. I'm >not afraid to use it. Anyone know of a reason why I should be? It was less >than $17 for 50 lbs. > >It is my understanding that magnesium taurate is one of the better forms >of magnesium for absorption and is especially effective for cardiovascular >problems although it may be more expensive that other types of magnesium. > > > > > > > > Hey guys, > > > So there is all the messages I've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide > is harmful, use the oil, don't use the oil instead go with powder. Do I > go with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say > liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in > combo with Iodoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with > my low levels of potassium, I don't know if that matters at all. > > > > > > Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of iherb.com? > > > > > > Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form > you take. > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/ > > >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 On my bottle of mag oil it says for external use only. Also if I put it on a cut it burns. Good grief, why would one want to drink mag oil? From: david kenna <davidjohnkenna@...>iodine Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 2:40:42 AMSubject: Re: Re: Magnesium Confusion Have you considered cell salts?From: Nevada <IndieCDs@...>iodine Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 23:21:15Subject: Re: Magnesium Confusion I believe that Mag oil is magnesium chloride not citrate. > > > > > > > Hey guys, > > So there is all the messages i've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide is > > harmful, use the oil, dont use the oil instead go with powder. Do I go with > > MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say liquid is > > best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in combo with > > Idoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with my low levels of > > potassium, I dont know if that matters at all. > > > > Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of Iherb.com? > > > > Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form you > > take. > > > > > > > > > > -- > *"Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring."* > -*Tom Donohue* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 What about magnesium sulfat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 What about it? There is no context to your question. mag sulfate is what Epsom salts are and are great for detox baths.JaxiOn Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:19 AM, m micha <micha3030@...> wrote: What about magnesium sulfat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I understand your concerns as I had them myself and I also would not ingest this either BUT I am not the least bit worried about adding it to a foot bath or to the bath tub. Magnesium chloride is safer than sodium chloride and I'll bet that no one here is concerned about swimming in the ocean for 20 minutes [except maybe if sharks are in the water or jelly fish].The Material Safety Data Sheet gives all the information that a person needs to decide for themselves whether this is safe to soak in or not. and I even asked Carolyn Dean, MD who wrote "The Magnesium Miracle". So it's not like I haven't given this due consideration. Also at http://www.meltsnow.com/msds-mag-care-feeding-dust.htmcommenting on the product I am using it says this:Is it Safe to Use?MAG is very safe to use and handle. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) uses a document called a "Material Safety Data Sheet" (MSDS) to standardize information about all materials. On this form OSHA uses an industry standard for toxicity called an "LD50", which is the amount of material that is required to kill at least 50% of the test subjects. While this is a morbid thought, it is the standard that the government has established and is recognized industry wide. The LD50 for strychnine, a rat poison, is 16 (milligrams per kilogram of body weight). The LD 50 for aspirin and calcium chloride is 1000 mg/kg. The LD50 for table is salt 3,000, and the LD50 for MAG is 8,100! That means that MAG is 2.5 times less toxic than table salt, is about half as toxic as baking soda and is very comparable to vitamin C, ascorbic acid.It's not labeled for use in baths because of liability issues. The company does not want to be sued. Welcome to the 21st century. Use it at your own risk. I still say it is a lot safer and healthier than the mud puddles I use to play in when I was a kid.> > > >> > > > Hey guys,> > > > So there is all the messages I've been reading about Magnesium. Oxide > > is harmful, use the oil, don't use the oil instead go with powder. Do I > > go with MG chloride, potassium or citrate? Whats the difference? Some say > > liquid is best. I am wondering if anyone has a set standard to be used in > > combo with Iodoral. I am taking a potassium supplement for to help with > > my low levels of potassium, I don't know if that matters at all.> > > >> > > > Could someone rec. me a good one to use off of iherb.com?> > > >> > > > Also dosages seems to be all over the map, depending on which form > > you take.> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------> >> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > >group IodineOT/> >> >> >The NEW MEMBER DOCUMENT (#1 on the list) > >iodine/files/01%20NEW%20MEMBERS%20-%20READ%20FIRST/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 The MSDS is not for the exact product, it's for Magnesium in general, at least as it is presented. We know magnesium is safe, that's not the issue. The issue is that products not sold for human consumption are not required to present the same level of safety information. As I said, 100% on a non-food label does not correspond to 100% on a food label. Comparing it to the ocean or mud puddles is beside the point. You're free to make the decision to use this product. However, if you recommend it to other listmembers, we'll need to remind the list that we don't recommend it. -- moderator >I understand your concerns as I had them myself and I also would not >ingest this either BUT I am not the least bit worried about adding it to a >foot bath or to the bath tub. > >Magnesium chloride is safer than sodium chloride and I'll bet that no one >here is concerned about swimming in the ocean for 20 minutes [except maybe >if sharks are in the water or jelly fish]. > >The Material Safety Data Sheet gives all the information that a person >needs to decide for themselves whether this is safe to soak in or not. >and I even asked Carolyn Dean, MD who wrote " The Magnesium Miracle " . So >it's not like I haven't given this due consideration. > >Also at http://www.meltsnow.com/msds-mag-care-feeding-dust.htm >commenting on the product I am using it says this: > >Is it Safe to Use? >MAG is very safe to use and handle. The Occupational Safety and Health >Administration (OSHA) uses a document called a " Material Safety Data >Sheet " (MSDS) to standardize information about all materials. On this form >OSHA uses an industry standard for toxicity called an " LD50 " , which is the >amount of material that is required to kill at least 50% of the test >subjects. While this is a morbid thought, it is the standard that the >government has established and is recognized industry wide. The LD50 for >strychnine, a rat poison, is 16 (milligrams per kilogram of body weight). >The LD 50 for aspirin and calcium chloride is 1000 mg/kg. The LD50 for >table is salt 3,000, and the LD50 for MAG is 8,100! That means that MAG is >2.5 times less toxic than table salt, is about half as toxic as baking >soda and is very comparable to vitamin C, ascorbic acid. > >It's not labeled for use in baths because of liability issues. The company >does not want to be sued. Welcome to the 21st century. Use it at your own >risk. I still say it is a lot safer and healthier than the mud puddles I >use to play in when I was a kid. > > > > > > > > I have already written on the subject of " ice melt " grade magnesium > > chloride. Minerals that are not labeled for human food use do not > > necessarily have the same labeling requirements that human food uses > > do. So when a label says " 100% magnesium chloride " that number, 100% > > generally does not have the same legal requirement that a human-grade > label > > has. In other words, 100% on a non-human-grade label is not the same > > assurance as 100% on a human-grade level. Moreover, the factory and > > packaging requirements are nowhere near the level for human-grade labels. > > If you care enough about your health to be taking iodine, you really > > shouldn't be ingesting road-grade magnesium. Personally I wouldn't ingest > > it, and I think it should not be suggested to people. > > > > So let me say, clearly, people, the iodine list does NOT support the > use of > > ice-melt-grade magnesium chloride for human consu > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I heard That I can take it internally, but I wanted to know is it good compared to the other magnesium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 We do NOT trim or clip posts on this forum because when you do that no one knows what you are talking about.Jaxi (it is also really nice if you sign your posts)On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:27 PM, m micha <micha3030@...> wrote: I heard That I can take it internally, but I wanted to know is it good compared to the other magnesium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I just wanted to know if taking magnesium sulfat internally is as good as some of the other magnesium mentioned in this forum? micha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 No, mag sulfate is usually used as a bath soak and sometimes as an oral laxative but not as a supplement. Very strong laxative effect.Mag citrate and Mag glycinate are the preferred supplement forms from what I can tell. Jaxi On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:52 PM, m micha <micha3030@...> wrote: I just wanted to know if taking magnesium sulfat internally is as good as some of the other magnesium mentioned in this forum? micha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 My mom's doctor told her to take 2 tb of Milk of Magnesia and prune juice for constipation. I have always heard that it's not good to take. I gave her a bottle of Mag. citrate ( calm ) to take but she took too much of it and had terrible stomach pains. She's 95 and doesn't follow instructions well. I wrote it out for her but she made a mistake and now wants to do as her doctor instructed her to do. Can you tell me why Milk of Magnesia isn't good or is it okay? I had heard not to take it. On May 30, 2011, at 12:39 AM, jaxi wrote: No, mag sulfate is usually used as a bath soak and sometimes as an oral laxative but not as a supplement. Very strong laxative effect.Mag citrate and Mag glycinate are the preferred supplement forms from what I can tell. Jaxi On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:52 PM, m micha <micha3030@...> wrote: I just wanted to know if taking magnesium sulfat internally is as good as some of the other magnesium mentioned in this forum? micha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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