Re: iodine for high rT3

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you must first fix the liver.will help with rt3 and also with the detox that comes often with iodine

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:59 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

 

Dear Readers,

 

I am hypothyroid, untreated,  and have been advised by my doctor to try an iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine successfully?

 

Thanks,

Stan

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Hi Stan: I've not had an RT3 problem but I'm pretty sure that a number of folks on this list have successfully treated it with iodine. What we have discovered is that everyne needs far more iodine these days than the minimum daily requirement says. It seems that 12.5 mg per day minimum is what adults need. There is significant detox with most initially so you won't feel better right away. We need to detox the bromides, fluoride and other halogens before we feel better and this means you'll need to gradually ramp up the amount you take until you reach 100 mg or so - once detoxed you can go back to a lower, regular dose of 12.5 mg or more if you feel you need it.

With the RT3 and iodine detox, you will need LOTS of liver support. Milk thistle and dandelion root are very good for this. There are many, many protocols for detox which you can Google. But liver support is mandatory or else you'll never detox and get rid of the poisons/RT3 issue.

I've never heard that iodine is not good for RT3 people - there is ALOT of misinformation out there about iodine. I think most on this list would agree that only people who are genuinely allergice to iodine (very, very few I've read) should stay away from iodine. Every single cell in your body uses it and we need to replenish it daily. The MDR is only enough to keep you out of the grave, not enough to be healthy!

I'm not a moderator or doctor, hope this helps,Ariel 

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:59 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

 

Dear Readers,

 

I am hypothyroid, untreated,  and have been advised by my doctor to try an iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine successfully?

 

Thanks,

Stan

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

[Guest guest]

I don’t have any indication of liver problems so I’m not sure about the wisdom of fixing something that ain’t broke. Liver enzymes are fine, I do nothing to damage the liver, I just have untreatable hypothyroidism and high rT3. If iodine can treat the high rT3, that would be a good start for me. From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ido zahaviSent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:02 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3 you must first fix the liver.will help with rt3 and also with the detox that comes often with iodineOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:59 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote: Dear Readers, I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine successfully? Thanks, Stan

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If you have RT3 problems, you have liver problems - that's what RT3 is. One thyroid hormone  isn't being produced and it's producing too much of the other hormone, which then gets backed up in the liver. Some people are able to cure their RT3 just by detoxing.

I agree with not fixing something that isn't broken, but almost anyone needs to detox these days - we are assaulted by all manner of environmental toxins.ArielOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:45 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

 

I don’t have any indication of liver problems so I’m not sure about the wisdom of fixing something that ain’t broke. Liver enzymes are fine, I do nothing to damage the liver, I just have untreatable hypothyroidism and high rT3. If iodine can treat the high rT3, that would be a good start for me.

 From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ido zahavi

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:02 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3

   you must first fix the liver.will help with rt3 and also with the detox that comes often with iodineOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:59 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

  Dear Readers,

 I am hypothyroid, untreated,  and have been advised by my doctor to try an iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine successfully?

 Thanks,

Stan 

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

[Guest guest]

Ariel Thanks for your comments, can you point me in the direction of a reference or link to someplace that discusses this in more detail so I can get educated. Thanks. Stan From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Ariel MonserratSent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:10 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3 If you have RT3 problems, you have liver problems - that's what RT3 is. One thyroid hormone isn't being produced and it's producing too much of the other hormone, which then gets backed up in the liver. Some people are able to cure their RT3 just by detoxing.I agree with not fixing something that isn't broken, but almost anyone needs to detox these days - we are assaulted by all manner of environmental toxins.ArielOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:45 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote: I don’t have any indication of liver problems so I’m not sure about the wisdom of fixing something that ain’t broke. Liver enzymes are fine, I do nothing to damage the liver, I just have untreatable hypothyroidism and high rT3. If iodine can treat the high rT3, that would be a good start for me. From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ido zahaviSent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:02 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3 you must first fix the liver.will help with rt3 and also with the detox that comes often with iodineOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:59 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote: Dear Readers, I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine successfully? Thanks, Stan -- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

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If you haven't read the documents for new people, that is a good place to start. You should have received the info for that when you joined and were approved.I highly recommend " Iodine: what it does and why everyone needs it " by Dr. Brownstein. I got mine used at Amazon. It will answer all your questions and give you much more info.

There's a classic book by Dr. Broda which you can probably get used from Amazon - it's all about the thyroid. I believe Dr. Brownstein also has one on thyroid but I haven't read it yet.Thyroid disorders such as RT3 are often associated with adrenal fatigue as well and you can use the iodine protocol for that as well. It's important to take vit B and C in copious amounts as well as unrefined sea salt. I use Celtic sea salt as it has little to no mercury as opposed to actual sea salt, since it's harvested in salt marshes in France. I get mine from Celtic Sea Salt in Asheville, NC via

the mail. You need to take about 1 tsp/day either in water or put in a gel cap, that's what I do. About 2 of the largest size gel capsules hold about 1 tsp. It will not raise your blood pressure as long as you get 8 glasses of 8 oz water/day.  Water is very important for detox.

It can seem like it takes forever when you first start, but the more you can educate yourself, the more you will know and the sooner you will heal. I know I've had my moments of wondering WHEN will I be well? But I've been following the iodine protocol for 4 months and am almost well now.

Just follow the iodine protocol and you WILL feel better, I guarantee, even if you have other health problems, you will at least feel better. ArielOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 6:21 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

 

Ariel 

Thanks for your comments, can you point me in the direction of a reference or link to someplace that discusses this in more detail so I can get educated. Thanks.

 Stan 

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Ariel Monserrat

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:10 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3

   If you have RT3 problems, you have liver problems - that's what RT3 is. One thyroid hormone  isn't being produced and it's producing too much of the other hormone, which then gets backed up in the liver. Some people are able to cure their RT3 just by detoxing.

I agree with not fixing something that isn't broken, but almost anyone needs to detox these days - we are assaulted by all manner of environmental toxins.ArielOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:45 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

  I don’t have any indication of liver problems so I’m not sure about the wisdom of fixing something that ain’t broke. Liver enzymes are fine, I do nothing to damage the liver, I just have untreatable hypothyroidism and high rT3. If iodine can treat the high rT3, that would be a good start for me.

 

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ido zahavi

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:02 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3

  

you must first fix the liver.will help with rt3 and also with the detox that comes often with iodineOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:59 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

  Dear Readers,

 I am hypothyroid, untreated,  and have been advised by my doctor to try an iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine successfully?

 Thanks,

Stan 

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue 

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

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Stan, you might also do a search on this forum for past discussions about rT3.

In the not to distant past B. posted that she lowered her rT3 by 100

points in 6 weeks using Dr. Brownstein's product " TLC " .

One thread that she offers rT3 advice includes post #74900 (and another post in

that same thread). And there are several others like those that will come up in

your search results.

posted 4/28/11 @ 8:19 EDT/7:19 CDT/5:19 PDT ~ P.M.

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Is rT3 the same as freeT3? What is considered a high score for freeT3?On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...> wrote:

 

If you have RT3 problems, you have liver problems - that's what RT3 is. One thyroid hormone  isn't being produced and it's producing too much of the other hormone, which then gets backed up in the liver. Some people are able to cure their RT3 just by detoxing.

I agree with not fixing something that isn't broken, but almost anyone needs to detox these days - we are assaulted by all manner of environmental toxins.ArielOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:45 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

 

I don’t have any indication of liver problems so I’m not sure about the wisdom of fixing something that ain’t broke. Liver enzymes are fine, I do nothing to damage the liver, I just have untreatable hypothyroidism and high rT3. If iodine can treat the high rT3, that would be a good start for me.

 From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ido zahavi

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:02 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3

   you must first fix the liver.will help with rt3 and also with the detox that comes often with iodineOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:59 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

  Dear Readers,

 I am hypothyroid, untreated,  and have been advised by my doctor to try an iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine successfully?

 Thanks,

Stan 

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

-- " I have come to believe that in the world there is nothing to explain the world. " Loren Eiseley

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much, I appreciate the information you have provided. From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of baxroxSent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:20 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3 Stan, you might also do a search on this forum for past discussions about rT3. In the not to distant past B. posted that she lowered her rT3 by 100 points in 6 weeks using Dr. Brownstein's product " TLC " . One thread that she offers rT3 advice includes post #74900 (and another post in that same thread). And there are several others like those that will come up in your search results.posted 4/28/11 @ 8:19 EDT/7:19 CDT/5:19 PDT ~ P.M.> > > > Dear Readers, > > > > I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an> iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that> iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or> the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine> successfully? > > > > Thanks, > > Stan> > > > > > > -- > " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " > -Tom Donohue>

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No , rT3 is reverse T3, not the same as free T3. Consult your last labs for the normal range for free T3, I had mine done at Quest recently and they report the normal range as 2.3-4.2 pg/ml. Stan From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ColeSent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:13 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3 Is rT3 the same as freeT3? What is considered a high score for freeT3?On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...> wrote: If you have RT3 problems, you have liver problems - that's what RT3 is. One thyroid hormone isn't being produced and it's producing too much of the other hormone, which then gets backed up in the liver. Some people are able to cure their RT3 just by detoxing.I agree with not fixing something that isn't broken, but almost anyone needs to detox these days - we are assaulted by all manner of environmental toxins.ArielOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:45 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote: I don’t have any indication of liver problems so I’m not sure about the wisdom of fixing something that ain’t broke. Liver enzymes are fine, I do nothing to damage the liver, I just have untreatable hypothyroidism and high rT3. If iodine can treat the high rT3, that would be a good start for me. From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ido zahaviSent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:02 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3 you must first fix the liver.will help with rt3 and also with the detox that comes often with iodineOn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:59 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote: Dear Readers, I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine successfully? Thanks, Stan -- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue -- " I have come to believe that in the world there is nothing to explain the world. " Loren Eiseley

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Another online resource to determine optimum lab results is www.drrind.com.

Also has explanations about the different " T's " .

http://www.drrind.com/therapies/thyroid-scale

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> Dear Readers,

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> I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an

> iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that

> iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or

> the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine

> successfully?

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>

>

> Thanks,

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> Stan

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> " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. "

> -Tom Donohue

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> " I have come to believe that in the world there is nothing to explain the

> world. " Loren Eiseley

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I have Hep. C, and my 'Liver enzymes test' comes back 'fine', every time.Your

liver is where most of the conversion of T4 to T3 takes place.So, if your liver

is functioning less than optimally, this could lead to being Hypo.And, the liver

cells, just like all others, depend on thyroid hormones to set the rate of

metabolism.So, its a viscious cycle; low thyroid hormones causes sluggish liver,

slugish live causes less conversion of T4 to T3. In addition, there is research

to indicate that T2 hormone hasd specific biological activity in the

mitochindria of liver cells.

Classic symptoms of Hepatitis, (a liver disease); Fatigue and muscle aches. Are

these DIRECT symptoms of the liver being 'diseased', or, is it that as a result

of the liver function being compromised by the disease, it is not converting T4

to T3, rsulting in a kind of 'functional' hypothyroidism? This is my thinking,

anyway. And there's not a Dr. or test out there that can say, definetively, that

my muscle aches and fatigue are caused by my Hep C, and not by compromised liver

function resulting in low conversion.

So, instead of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it', perhaps its, maybe it IS

broke, and I should look at fixing it? Especially since 'fixing it' is

relatively simple; do a Liver flush.Its not like major surgery.

Kind of like if you have an overheating problem on your car; might as well

replace the radiator cap. Jim

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> Dear Readers,

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> I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an

> iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that

> iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or

> the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine

> successfully?

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> Thanks,

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> Stan

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for hepatetis c you must look at low dose naltrexone.there is special group for ldn and hepatitis.some are patients of dr berkson and follow his protocl.very good results

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:04 PM, dutchdivco <jdutchmanjim@...> wrote:

 

I have Hep. C, and my 'Liver enzymes test' comes back 'fine', every time.Your liver is where most of the conversion of T4 to T3 takes place.So, if your liver is functioning less than optimally, this could lead to being Hypo.And, the liver cells, just like all others, depend on thyroid hormones to set the rate of metabolism.So, its a viscious cycle; low thyroid hormones causes sluggish liver, slugish live causes less conversion of T4 to T3. In addition, there is research to indicate that T2 hormone hasd specific biological activity in the mitochindria of liver cells.

Classic symptoms of Hepatitis, (a liver disease); Fatigue and muscle aches. Are these DIRECT symptoms of the liver being 'diseased', or, is it that as a result of the liver function being compromised by the disease, it is not converting T4 to T3, rsulting in a kind of 'functional' hypothyroidism? This is my thinking, anyway. And there's not a Dr. or test out there that can say, definetively, that my muscle aches and fatigue are caused by my Hep C, and not by compromised liver function resulting in low conversion.

So, instead of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it', perhaps its, maybe it IS broke, and I should look at fixing it? Especially since 'fixing it' is relatively simple; do a Liver flush.Its not like major surgery.

Kind of like if you have an overheating problem on your car; might as well replace the radiator cap. Jim

> > > > Dear Readers, > > > > I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an> iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that

> iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or> the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine> successfully? > > > > Thanks,

> > Stan>

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thanks Stan - haven't had my rT3 checked On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 5:28 AM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

 

No , rT3 is reverse T3,  not the same as free T3. Consult your last labs for the normal range for free T3, I had mine done at Quest recently and they report the normal range as 2.3-4.2 pg/ml. Stan

 From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Cole

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:13 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3

   Is rT3 the same as freeT3? What is considered a high score for freeT3?On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Ariel Monserrat <wolvenwood@...> wrote:

 

If you have RT3 problems, you have liver problems - that's what RT3 is. One thyroid hormone  isn't being produced and it's producing too much of the other hormone, which then gets backed up in the liver. Some people are able to cure their RT3 just by detoxing.

I agree with not fixing something that isn't broken, but almost anyone needs to detox these days - we are assaulted by all manner of environmental toxins.Ariel

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:45 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

  I don’t have any indication of liver problems so I’m not sure about the wisdom of fixing something that ain’t broke. Liver enzymes are fine, I do nothing to damage the liver, I just have untreatable hypothyroidism and high rT3. If iodine can treat the high rT3, that would be a good start for me.

 

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ido zahavi

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:02 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3

 

  you must first fix the liver.will help with rt3 and also with the detox that comes often with iodine

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:59 PM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

 

Dear Readers,

 I am hypothyroid, untreated,  and have been advised by my doctor to try an iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine successfully?

 

Thanks, Stan

 

-- " Throughout much of the world, most people are busy being boring. " -Tom Donohue

 -- " I have come to believe that in the world there is nothing to explain the world. " Loren Eiseley

-- " I have come to believe that in the world there is nothing to explain the world. " Loren Eiseley

[Guest guest]

Jim Thanks for your thoughtful and thought provoking comments. Certainly if there’s a chance of liver dysfunction, one should address it. My statement was not to argue with that notion, which is just common sense, what I said was that there was no medical grounds or evidence to suggest liver dysfunction so why treat something when there’s no grounds to believe it is a problem. Stan From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of dutchdivcoSent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:04 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3 I have Hep. C, and my 'Liver enzymes test' comes back 'fine', every time.Your liver is where most of the conversion of T4 to T3 takes place.So, if your liver is functioning less than optimally, this could lead to being Hypo.And, the liver cells, just like all others, depend on thyroid hormones to set the rate of metabolism.So, its a viscious cycle; low thyroid hormones causes sluggish liver, slugish live causes less conversion of T4 to T3. In addition, there is research to indicate that T2 hormone hasd specific biological activity in the mitochindria of liver cells.Classic symptoms of Hepatitis, (a liver disease); Fatigue and muscle aches. Are these DIRECT symptoms of the liver being 'diseased', or, is it that as a result of the liver function being compromised by the disease, it is not converting T4 to T3, rsulting in a kind of 'functional' hypothyroidism? This is my thinking, anyway. And there's not a Dr. or test out there that can say, definetively, that my muscle aches and fatigue are caused by my Hep C, and not by compromised liver function resulting in low conversion.So, instead of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it', perhaps its, maybe it IS broke, and I should look at fixing it? Especially since 'fixing it' is relatively simple; do a Liver flush.Its not like major surgery.Kind of like if you have an overheating problem on your car; might as well replace the radiator cap. Jim> > > > Dear Readers, > > > > I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an> iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that> iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or> the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine> successfully? > > > > Thanks, > > Stan>

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Well, all laboratory tests are based on "normal" ranges of people tested. Your results are "good" if they fall with in the "normal" range. However, as a species, we are being exposed to ever more chemicals & drugs, all of which are processed by our poor, overworked livers. Newborn babies are found to have hundreds of chemicals in their blood streams at birth. We are starting out at a deficit. My guess is that even "normal" livers are in trouble these days. (By the same token that many of us with thyroid problems test "normal.") Even if you are careful yourself, you can't keep your neighbor from spraying chemicals on his lawn. We only have so much control of what we are exposed to.One of the tricks of restoring natural health is to help all your detox pathways work better. A lot of folks do colonics or colon cleanses of various kinds, everybody urges you to increase your water intake. FIR saunas & detox baths & skin brushing help to open up the pathways through your skin. Rebounding tends to get your lymph system moving. Your liver is one of the detox workhorses. It is just logical to clean it out. If you don't get a dramatic result, then fine, you were doing well. But a lot of people report getting dramatic results.We get sick in the first place because our bodies are not getting everything they need, or are getting things they DON'T need. Many of the things you don't need get stuck in your liver.AnneOn Apr 29, 2011, at 10:36 AM, S. Altan wrote:

Jim Thanks for your thoughtful and thought provoking comments. Certainly if there’s a chance of liver dysfunction, one should address it. My statement was not to argue with that notion, which is just common sense, what I said was that there was no medical grounds or evidence to suggest liver dysfunction so why treat something when there’s no grounds to believe it is a problem. Stan From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of dutchdivcoSent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:04 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3 I have Hep. C, and my 'Liver enzymes test' comes back 'fine', every time.Your liver is where most of the conversion of T4 to T3 takes place.So, if your liver is functioning less than optimally, this could lead to being Hypo.And, the liver cells, just like all others, depend on thyroid hormones to set the rate of metabolism.So, its a viscious cycle; low thyroid hormones causes sluggish liver, slugish live causes less conversion of T4 to T3. In addition, there is research to indicate that T2 hormone hasd specific biological activity in the mitochindria of liver cells.Classic symptoms of Hepatitis, (a liver disease); Fatigue and muscle aches. Are these DIRECT symptoms of the liver being 'diseased', or, is it that as a result of the liver function being compromised by the disease, it is not converting T4 to T3, rsulting in a kind of 'functional' hypothyroidism? This is my thinking, anyway. And there's not a Dr. or test out there that can say, definetively, that my muscle aches and fatigue are caused by my Hep C, and not by compromised liver function resulting in low conversion.So, instead of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it', perhaps its, maybe it IS broke, and I should look at fixing it? Especially since 'fixing it' is relatively simple; do a Liver flush.Its not like major surgery.Kind of like if you have an overheating problem on your car; might as well replace the radiator cap. Jim> > > > Dear Readers, > > > > I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an> iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that> iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or> the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine> successfully? > > > > Thanks, > > Stan>

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Good reminders, Anne.

For instance, fatty liver is on the rise and many people never realize they

have non-alcoholic fatty liver until a ultrasound is performed. Liver

enzymes will usually not indicate a non-alcoholic fatty liver. Sometimes

we “think” something isn’t broke, but in reality it may be

very broke.

Keeping the liver clean can be difficult simply because of all the things that

Anne mentions below. One liver cleanse will never undo all the years of

toxicity that people accumulate. It’s no wonder that we also see

such a rise in endocrine issues. I appreciated Jim’s post today

indicating that the liver could certainly be foundational in many endocrine

concerns. I believe this certainly has merit.

While labs can be an effective tool, symptoms should never be ignored in favor

of labs. However, conventional medicine is good about making science (labs) the

god of all diagnosis and treatment. Even though the fact is that possibly

we don’t have the necessary/effective testing that we need right now for

people living in 2011.

Keep your liver clean. Keep your digestive tract clean. Perform parasite

and heavy metal cleansing. This will serve your body in getting well and

staying well.

Be Well

Dr.L

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Anne

Seals

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 4:05 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: iodine for high rT3

Well, all laboratory tests are based on " normal "

ranges of people tested. Your results are " good " if they fall with in

the " normal " range. However, as a species, we are being exposed to

ever more chemicals & drugs, all of which are processed by our poor,

overworked livers. Newborn babies are found to have hundreds of chemicals in

their blood streams at birth. We are starting out at a deficit. My guess is

that even " normal " livers are in trouble these days. (By the same

token that many of us with thyroid problems test " normal. " ) Even if

you are careful yourself, you can't keep your neighbor from spraying chemicals

on his lawn. We only have so much control of what we are exposed to.

One of the tricks of restoring natural health is to help all

your detox pathways work better. A lot of folks do colonics or colon cleanses

of various kinds, everybody urges you to increase your water intake. FIR saunas

& detox baths & skin brushing help to open up the pathways through your

skin. Rebounding tends to get your lymph system moving. Your liver is one of

the detox workhorses. It is just logical to clean it out. If you don't get a

dramatic result, then fine, you were doing well. But a lot of people report

getting dramatic results.

We get sick in the first place because our bodies are not

getting everything they need, or are getting things they DON'T need. Many of

the things you don't need get stuck in your liver.

Anne

On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:36 AM, S. Altan wrote:

Jim

Thanks for your

thoughtful and thought provoking comments. Certainly if there’s a chance

of liver dysfunction, one should address it. My statement was not to argue with

that notion, which is just common sense, what I said was that there was no medical

grounds or evidence to suggest liver dysfunction so why treat something when

there’s no grounds to believe it is a problem.

Stan

From: iodine

[mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of dutchdivco

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:04 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3

I have Hep. C, and my 'Liver enzymes test' comes

back 'fine', every time.Your liver is where most of the conversion of T4 to T3

takes place.So, if your liver is functioning less than optimally, this could

lead to being Hypo.And, the liver cells, just like all others, depend on

thyroid hormones to set the rate of metabolism.So, its a viscious cycle; low

thyroid hormones causes sluggish liver, slugish live causes less conversion of

T4 to T3. In addition, there is research to indicate that T2 hormone hasd

specific biological activity in the mitochindria of liver cells.

Classic symptoms of Hepatitis, (a liver disease); Fatigue and muscle aches. Are

these DIRECT symptoms of the liver being 'diseased', or, is it that as a result

of the liver function being compromised by the disease, it is not converting T4

to T3, rsulting in a kind of 'functional' hypothyroidism? This is my thinking,

anyway. And there's not a Dr. or test out there that can say, definetively,

that my muscle aches and fatigue are caused by my Hep C, and not by compromised

liver function resulting in low conversion.

So, instead of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it', perhaps its, maybe it IS

broke, and I should look at fixing it? Especially since 'fixing it' is

relatively simple; do a Liver flush.Its not like major surgery.

Kind of like if you have an overheating problem on your car; might as well

replace the radiator cap. Jim

>

>

>

> Dear Readers,

>

>

>

> I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an

> iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read

that

> iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way

or

> the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine

> successfully?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Stan

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Anne and Dr L for your very thoughtful comments. I certainly need to think about your advice. Stan From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Dr. Loretta LanphierSent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:30 PMiodine Subject: RE: Re: iodine for high rT3 Good reminders, Anne. For instance, fatty liver is on the rise and many people never realize they have non-alcoholic fatty liver until a ultrasound is performed. Liver enzymes will usually not indicate a non-alcoholic fatty liver. Sometimes we “think” something isn’t broke, but in reality it may be very broke.Keeping the liver clean can be difficult simply because of all the things that Anne mentions below. One liver cleanse will never undo all the years of toxicity that people accumulate. It’s no wonder that we also see such a rise in endocrine issues. I appreciated Jim’s post today indicating that the liver could certainly be foundational in many endocrine concerns. I believe this certainly has merit.While labs can be an effective tool, symptoms should never be ignored in favor of labs. However, conventional medicine is good about making science (labs) the god of all diagnosis and treatment. Even though the fact is that possibly we don’t have the necessary/effective testing that we need right now for people living in 2011. Keep your liver clean. Keep your digestive tract clean. Perform parasite and heavy metal cleansing. This will serve your body in getting well and staying well.Be WellDr.L From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Anne SealsSent: Friday, April 29, 2011 4:05 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: iodine for high rT3 Well, all laboratory tests are based on " normal " ranges of people tested. Your results are " good " if they fall with in the " normal " range. However, as a species, we are being exposed to ever more chemicals & drugs, all of which are processed by our poor, overworked livers. Newborn babies are found to have hundreds of chemicals in their blood streams at birth. We are starting out at a deficit. My guess is that even " normal " livers are in trouble these days. (By the same token that many of us with thyroid problems test " normal. " ) Even if you are careful yourself, you can't keep your neighbor from spraying chemicals on his lawn. We only have so much control of what we are exposed to. One of the tricks of restoring natural health is to help all your detox pathways work better. A lot of folks do colonics or colon cleanses of various kinds, everybody urges you to increase your water intake. FIR saunas & detox baths & skin brushing help to open up the pathways through your skin. Rebounding tends to get your lymph system moving. Your liver is one of the detox workhorses. It is just logical to clean it out. If you don't get a dramatic result, then fine, you were doing well. But a lot of people report getting dramatic results. We get sick in the first place because our bodies are not getting everything they need, or are getting things they DON'T need. Many of the things you don't need get stuck in your liver. Anne On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:36 AM, S. Altan wrote:JimThanks for your thoughtful and thought provoking comments. Certainly if there’s a chance of liver dysfunction, one should address it. My statement was not to argue with that notion, which is just common sense, what I said was that there was no medical grounds or evidence to suggest liver dysfunction so why treat something when there’s no grounds to believe it is a problem. Stan From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of dutchdivcoSent: Friday, April 29, 2011 12:04 PMiodine Subject: Re: iodine for high rT3I have Hep. C, and my 'Liver enzymes test' comes back 'fine', every time.Your liver is where most of the conversion of T4 to T3 takes place.So, if your liver is functioning less than optimally, this could lead to being Hypo.And, the liver cells, just like all others, depend on thyroid hormones to set the rate of metabolism.So, its a viscious cycle; low thyroid hormones causes sluggish liver, slugish live causes less conversion of T4 to T3. In addition, there is research to indicate that T2 hormone hasd specific biological activity in the mitochindria of liver cells.Classic symptoms of Hepatitis, (a liver disease); Fatigue and muscle aches. Are these DIRECT symptoms of the liver being 'diseased', or, is it that as a result of the liver function being compromised by the disease, it is not converting T4 to T3, rsulting in a kind of 'functional' hypothyroidism? This is my thinking, anyway. And there's not a Dr. or test out there that can say, definetively, that my muscle aches and fatigue are caused by my Hep C, and not by compromised liver function resulting in low conversion.So, instead of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it', perhaps its, maybe it IS broke, and I should look at fixing it? Especially since 'fixing it' is relatively simple; do a Liver flush.Its not like major surgery.Kind of like if you have an overheating problem on your car; might as well replace the radiator cap. Jim> > > > Dear Readers, > > > > I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an> iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that> iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or> the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine> successfully? > > > > Thanks, > > Stan>

[Guest guest]

Hi Stan

What many on lists like this have found is that standard science often misses or

misreads dysfunction.

A great many people who are hypothyroid test just fine, thanks...but if the

doctors/scientists/ lab types don't really know what they're looking for, where

are we who are sick?

Between my husband and I alone, we've had three different and apparently

unrelated conditions missed or misdiagnosed in the space of about 4 years by

about 6 different doctors. And our conditions were not even unusual

(osteoarthritis, hypothyroidism, and heart disease)!

Just something to maybe think about as you continue your quest for health!

Jaye

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Readers,

> >

> >

> >

> > I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an

> > iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read

> that

> > iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way

> or

> > the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine

> > successfully?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Stan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just wondering if the Metagenics Ultra Clear or Pure Zen product can be used for

several months and help, along with diet, minifasts,licorice and milk thistle,

to clear the liver.

Surely there must be people who've gotten their liver healthy without a liver

flush?

Marcy

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Readers,

> >

> >

> >

> > I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an

> > iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read that

> > iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way or

> > the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine

> > successfully?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Stan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have done 2 liver cleanses at this point and I am trying to find a day to do

the next one. Weekends have been busy of late. I was frightened when I first

read about it. Thought there was no way that I could do this. It really isn't

hard. The olive oil went down really well. I mixed with pineapple juice. The

epsom salts needs a straw for sure. I found that the hardest to get down. I felt

so much better after, or I wouldn't have done it again. My son informs me that

his girlfriend has done at least 8 of these and her whole family does them. Made

me try it and I am glad I did.

Kathy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Readers,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an

> > > iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read

that

> > > iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way

or

> > > the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine

> > > successfully?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Stan

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. L,

What are your thoughts about the use of ox bile to support liver & gall bladder

health?

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Readers,

> >

> >

> >

> > I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try an

> > iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read

> that

> > iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way

> or

> > the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine

> > successfully?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Stan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know why it sounds so scary...

but most everybody reports real results, it is just finding the time and

preparing, for me it would require sending kids away...

but some Ultra Clear permanently, as a source of vitamins, aminoacids etc. so

it's fine. but doing a proper fast with it would give results sooner. Although

if you have adrenal fatigue, which ofter goes together with rt3, fasting is not

recommended.

Susa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Readers,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I am hypothyroid, untreated, and have been advised by my doctor to try

an

> > > > iodine protocol to try and restore the thyroid. I have high rT3. I read

that

> > > > iodine is not good for high rT3 people. Can someone confirm this one way

or

> > > > the other and advise if anyone here has treated high rT3 with iodine

> > > > successfully?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Stan

> > > >

> > >

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