Re: iron and cancer question

[Guest guest]

Hi Baxrox

Your post is only the second time I've heard of MCV...my doc is testing mine!

Also, I'd be careful using molasses and beets as iron supps due to the sugar in

them. Not great for cancer from what I can understand.

Jaye

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> > Thanks -that makes me feel more comfortable

> >  

> > So is there a particular bio available iron supplement that anyone would

recommend?

> >  

> > Thanks

> >  

> >

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> > From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@>

> > iodine

> > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2011, 13:13

> > Subject: Re: Re: iron and cancer question

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> >  

> > My ferritin was very low when I was fighting thyroid cancer.  I

supplemented with iron and B6 to get my levels up because I was so fatigued.  I

believe the risk of iron in cancer is not related to thyroid.  It's been a

while since I researched it but I remember being comfortable with trying to

increase my levels when I was done looking into it.

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> > Buist, ND

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> >  

> > Re: iron and cancer question

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> > > 

> > >Not a good thing then?  Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told

that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary

cancer I am also hypothyroid?  Now I need someone to clarify please....

> > >

> > >Help!

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Beets (raw, juiced) are excellent for cancer patients, blood purifiers, great

for the liver and kidneys. Same for carrots (raw, juiced), definitely NOT to be

avoided by cancer patients.

Linn

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> > > Thanks -that makes me feel more comfortable

> > >  

> > > So is there a particular bio available iron supplement that anyone would

recommend?

> > >  

> > > Thanks

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > > From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@>

> > > iodine

> > > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2011, 13:13

> > > Subject: Re: Re: iron and cancer question

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > > My ferritin was very low when I was fighting thyroid cancer.  I

supplemented with iron and B6 to get my levels up because I was so fatigued.  I

believe the risk of iron in cancer is not related to thyroid.  It's been a

while since I researched it but I remember being comfortable with trying to

increase my levels when I was done looking into it.

> > >  

> > > Buist, ND

> > >

> > >  

> > > Re: iron and cancer question

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >Not a good thing then?  Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was

told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have

papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid?  Now I need someone to clarify

please....

> > > >

> > > >Help!

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

RE: <Beets (raw, juiced) are excellent for cancer patients>

Unless you are a cancer patient who's cancer feeds on iron (as described in the

other post referencing anemia of chronic disease) which beets are considered to

be high in. It would then seem prudent to really check this out and also

perhaps consider other types of purifiers such as Essiac Tea.

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> > > > Thanks -that makes me feel more comfortable

> > > >  

> > > > So is there a particular bio available iron supplement that anyone would

recommend?

> > > >  

> > > > Thanks

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@>

> > > > iodine

> > > > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2011, 13:13

> > > > Subject: Re: Re: iron and cancer question

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > My ferritin was very low when I was fighting thyroid cancer.  I

supplemented with iron and B6 to get my levels up because I was so fatigued.  I

believe the risk of iron in cancer is not related to thyroid.  It's been a

while since I researched it but I remember being comfortable with trying to

increase my levels when I was done looking into it.

> > > >  

> > > > Buist, ND

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Re: iron and cancer question

> > > > >

> > > > > 

> > > > >Not a good thing then?  Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was

told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have

papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid?  Now I need someone to clarify

please....

> > > > >

> > > > >Help!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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>

[Guest guest]

One would need to know the ferritin status, hopefully though if a cancer

patient, they would have access to proper testing. I also think that this

applies to synthetic supplementation. I would not hesitate to use beet juice,

the health benefits are just too numerous. Beetroot juice contains phosphorus,

sodium, magnesium, calcium, iron, and potassium, as well as vitamins A and C,

niacin, folic acid, and biotin. When these nutrients are captured in a juicing

process, they remain in a form that is much easier to assimilate than synthetic

nutrients. Anticarcinogens are bound to the red pigment (betacyanin) in beets

and are helpful for anemia and can increase the uptake of oxygen by as much as

400 percent. To quote Dr. Tim O'Shea, in overcoming cancer, blood oxygen is

everything. I think that's the key versus the iron content as (approximately

1.0 mg per 100 gm of beetjuice. Beet juice is a powerful cleanser and blood

builder, detoxifer and highly alkaline. Alternative cancer treatment includes

fruit and vegetable juices because they contain within them the necessary

enzymes needed and are loaded with antioxidants.

The phenomenon of folks being told to avoid items like beets or carrots for

juicing because of the sugar is not valid. That type of advice can deprive

cancer patients of important nutrients that are essential for fighting the

illness.

And I'm getting way too off topic again!

Linn

> >

> > Not a good thing then?  Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told

that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary

cancer I am also hypothyroid?  Now I need someone to clarify please....

> >  

> > Help!

> >  

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I absolutely agree with you on this Linn. You explained the benefits of juicing very well. I would add that it's important to use organic vegetables whenever possible. Kathleen

Re: iron and cancer question

One would need to know the ferritin status, hopefully though if a cancer patient, they would have access to proper testing. I also think that this applies to synthetic supplementation. I would not hesitate to use beet juice, the health benefits are just too numerous. Beetroot juice contains phosphorus, sodium, magnesium, calcium, iron, and potassium, as well as vitamins A and C, niacin, folic acid, and biotin. When these nutrients are captured in a juicing process, they remain in a form that is much easier to assimilate than synthetic nutrients. Anticarcinogens are bound to the red pigment (betacyanin) in beets and are helpful for anemia and can increase the uptake of oxygen by as much as 400 percent. To quote Dr. Tim O'Shea, in overcoming cancer, blood oxygen is everything. I think that's the key versus the iron content as (approximately 1.0 mg per 100 gm of beetjuice. Beet juice is a powerful cleanser and blood builder, detoxifer and highly alkaline. Alternative cancer treatment includes fruit and vegetable juices because they contain within them the necessary enzymes needed and are loaded with antioxidants. The phenomenon of folks being told to avoid items like beets or carrots for juicing because of the sugar is not valid. That type of advice can deprive cancer patients of important nutrients that are essential for fighting the illness.And I'm getting way too off topic again!Linn> >> > Not a good thing then? Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid? Now I need someone to clarify please....> > > > Help!> > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

I'm really confused about this iron thing. I just got my blood work back and my MCV has always been borderline and now it went into the low range. My doctor never looked at ferritin and I had asked for it. She told me to take iron or eat kale or spinach. I opted for Iron Glycinate but I can only take about 125 mg, if I take more than this I get really awful headaches. I get the same awful headaches when I take iodine and I don't think it's from detoxing. On Jun 19, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Linn wrote:

One would need to know the ferritin status, hopefully though if a cancer patient, they would have access to proper testing. I also think that this applies to synthetic supplementation. I would not hesitate to use beet juice, the health benefits are just too numerous. Beetroot juice contains phosphorus, sodium, magnesium, calcium, iron, and potassium, as well as vitamins A and C, niacin, folic acid, and biotin. When these nutrients are captured in a juicing process, they remain in a form that is much easier to assimilate than synthetic nutrients. Anticarcinogens are bound to the red pigment (betacyanin) in beets and are helpful for anemia and can increase the uptake of oxygen by as much as 400 percent. To quote Dr. Tim O'Shea, in overcoming cancer, blood oxygen is everything. I think that's the key versus the iron content as (approximately 1.0 mg per 100 gm of beetjuice. Beet juice is a powerful cleanser and blood builder, detoxifer and highly alkaline. Alternative cancer treatment includes fruit and vegetable juices because they contain within them the necessary enzymes needed and are loaded with antioxidants.

The phenomenon of folks being told to avoid items like beets or carrots for juicing because of the sugar is not valid. That type of advice can deprive cancer patients of important nutrients that are essential for fighting the illness.

And I'm getting way too off topic again!

Linn

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> > Not a good thing then? Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid? Now I need someone to clarify please....

> >

> > Help!

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[Guest guest]

If you have all your test scores, I'd suggest trying Pat over at Hormones and

Health Naturally group. Pat has some of the most in-depth info on iron

issues that I've come across. I do remember Pat mentioning that low MCV is

helped by Vitamin B6, but you could get much more detailed info there than I can

give you.

How much iodine are you taking?

Linn

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> > > > Not a good thing then? Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was

told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have

papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid? Now I need someone to clarify

please....

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> > > > Help!

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[Guest guest]

I can second that, he’s a fantastic source of advice about all things hormone. Stan From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of LinnSent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 2:54 AMiodine Subject: Re: iron and cancer question If you have all your test scores, I'd suggest trying Pat over at Hormones and Health Naturally group. Pat has some of the most in-depth info on iron issues that I've come across. I do remember Pat mentioning that low MCV is helped by Vitamin B6, but you could get much more detailed info there than I can give you.How much iodine are you taking?Linn> > > >> > > > Not a good thing then? Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid? Now I need someone to clarify please....> > > > > > > > Help!> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Louise,

Sorry to hear that your doctor disregarded your request to know your ferritin

level. It is a valid thing to want to know as either very low or very high

levels can be of concern.

From what I have gathered low MCV might need iron supplementation (always take

iron with vitamin C) or one might need B12 & folic acid.

If a low MCV value is present with bloody stool then GI cancer should be ruled

out ~ but there are other less startling reasons that MCV may be low... check

out this info on blood cell count:

http://www.drkaslow.com/html/blood_cell_counts.html (and scroll down to MCV)

You might also find information at the Iron Disorders Institute of interest:

http://www.irondisorders.org/

Are you taking all of the companion supplements with the iodine? If so, when

the headaches occur do you salt load? Or increase vitamin C intake above the

recommended dose in the protocol?

What are your current health issues? (this may help those responding to you

have a better picture to work with)

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> > > > Not a good thing then? Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was

told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have

papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid? Now I need someone to clarify

please....

> > > >

> > > > Help!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Yes, very good post on the benefits of juicing. And, there is an entire cancer

fighting protocol that I believe originated from Germany many years ago built on

beets & beet juicing ~ and it has been helpful for many.

However not all cancers act the same and if one is facing a cancer that uses

iron as a food supply one might want to investigate further. It may very well

be that in this whole food form that this concern " comes out in the wash " and is

a mute point, but it is worth looking into.

My friend who has cancer and high ferritin and who's integrative cancer Dr.

advised her against the iron supplementation that the allopathic Dr.'s were

recommending also advised her to slow down on the iron rich veggies that she was

(almost exclusively!) consuming ~ for the short term. From what I understood,

the integrative cancer Dr. wanted to get the underlying reason for her anemia of

chronic disease under control. There's more of course but not appropriate here,

it is appropriate I think to be aware that not all cancers act the same.

To be more on topic ~ Nutritional profiles that I have read also indicate that

beet roots are rich in iodine and personally, I use organic beet root powder

daily :-)

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> > > Not a good thing then? Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was

told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have

papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid? Now I need someone to clarify

please....

> > >

> > > Help!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jaye Elevated MCV and MCH are associated with either B12 or Folate deficiency. This usually follows from poor gut absorption due to low stomach acid, a common feature of hypoT’s, low thyroid decreases stomach acid.  Dr Brownstein also has a discussion on coagulation disorders in hypoT’s, so blood issues are not uncommon for us. Does anyone know if iodine is helpful for abnormal CBCs and coagulation.   Stan From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of jprocure@...Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 8:38 AMiodine Subject: Re: iron and cancer question Hi BaxroxYour post is only the second time I've heard of MCV...my doc is testing mine!Also, I'd be careful using molasses and beets as iron supps due to the sugar in them. Not great for cancer from what I can understand.Jaye> >> > Thanks -that makes me feel more comfortable> >  > > So is there a particular bio available iron supplement that anyone would recommend?> >  > > Thanks> >  > > > > > > From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@>> > iodine > > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2011, 13:13> > Subject: Re: Re: iron and cancer question> > > > > >  > > My ferritin was very low when I was fighting thyroid cancer. I supplemented with iron and B6 to get my levels up because I was so fatigued. I believe the risk of iron in cancer is not related to thyroid. It's been a while since I researched it but I remember being comfortable with trying to increase my levels when I was done looking into it.> >  > > Buist, ND> > > >  > > Re: iron and cancer question> > >> > > > > >Not a good thing then? Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid? Now I need someone to clarify please....> > >> > >Help!> > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

you have to look at nattokinase

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:04 AM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

 

Jaye

 

Elevated MCV and MCH are associated with either B12 or Folate deficiency. This usually follows from poor gut absorption due to low stomach acid, a common feature of hypoT’s, low thyroid decreases stomach acid.  Dr Brownstein also has a discussion on coagulation disorders in hypoT’s, so blood issues are not uncommon for us. Does anyone know if iodine is helpful for abnormal CBCs and coagulation.  

 

Stan

 

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of jprocure@...

Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 8:38 AMiodine Subject: Re: iron and cancer question

 

 

Hi BaxroxYour post is only the second time I've heard of MCV...my doc is testing mine!Also, I'd be careful using molasses and beets as iron supps due to the sugar in them. Not great for cancer from what I can understand.

Jaye

> >> > Thanks -that makes me feel more comfortable> >  > > So is there a particular bio available iron supplement that anyone would recommend?> >  > > Thanks

> >  > > > > > > From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@>> > iodine > > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2011, 13:13

> > Subject: Re: Re: iron and cancer question> > > > > >   > > My ferritin was very low when I was fighting thyroid cancer.  I supplemented with iron and B6 to get my levels up because I was so fatigued.  I believe the risk of iron in cancer is not related to thyroid.  It's been a while since I researched it but I remember being comfortable with trying to increase my levels when I was done looking into it.

> >  > > Buist, ND> > > >  > > Re: iron and cancer question> > >> > >  > > >Not a good thing then?  Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid?  Now I need someone to clarify please....

> > >> > >Help!> > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I second nattokinase. Take one every 12 hours. Look for one that has K2 in it as that helps bones absorb calcium and naturally is in natto. I have been told there is no soy left in the enzyme but it is grown on soy.

 I had 7 bloodclots in a year. Natto took away last one in 5 hours. A full aspirin a day didn't prevent the last 5 clots and surgery didn't prevent the seventh clot. Natto also helps clear bio film from your gut and seems to help clear brain fog.Pam

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, ido zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote:

 

you have to look at nattokinase

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:04 AM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

 

Jaye

 

Elevated MCV and MCH are associated with either B12 or Folate deficiency. This usually follows from poor gut absorption due to low stomach acid, a common feature of hypoT’s, low thyroid decreases stomach acid.  Dr Brownstein also has a discussion on coagulation disorders in hypoT’s, so blood issues are not uncommon for us. Does anyone know if iodine is helpful for abnormal CBCs and coagulation.  

 

Stan

 

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of jprocure@...

Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 8:38 AMiodine Subject: Re: iron and cancer question

 

 

Hi BaxroxYour post is only the second time I've heard of MCV...my doc is testing mine!Also, I'd be careful using molasses and beets as iron supps due to the sugar in them. Not great for cancer from what I can understand.

Jaye

> >> > Thanks -that makes me feel more comfortable> >  > > So is there a particular bio available iron supplement that anyone would recommend?> >  > > Thanks

> >  > > > > > > From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@>> > iodine > > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2011, 13:13

> > Subject: Re: Re: iron and cancer question> > > > > >   > > My ferritin was very low when I was fighting thyroid cancer.  I supplemented with iron and B6 to get my levels up because I was so fatigued.  I believe the risk of iron in cancer is not related to thyroid.  It's been a while since I researched it but I remember being comfortable with trying to increase my levels when I was done looking into it.

> >  > > Buist, ND> > > >  > > Re: iron and cancer question> > >> > >  > > >Not a good thing then?  Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid?  Now I need someone to clarify please....

> > >> > >Help!> > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

natto is from fermented soy.they are ok

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Pamela Valley <2007pams@...> wrote:

 

I second nattokinase. Take one every 12 hours. Look for one that has K2 in it as that helps bones absorb calcium and naturally is in natto. I have been told there is no soy left in the enzyme but it is grown on soy.

 I had 7 bloodclots in a year. Natto took away last one in 5 hours. A full aspirin a day didn't prevent the last 5 clots and surgery didn't prevent the seventh clot. Natto also helps clear bio film from your gut and seems to help clear brain fog.Pam

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, ido zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote:

 

you have to look at nattokinase

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:04 AM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

 

Jaye

 

Elevated MCV and MCH are associated with either B12 or Folate deficiency. This usually follows from poor gut absorption due to low stomach acid, a common feature of hypoT’s, low thyroid decreases stomach acid.  Dr Brownstein also has a discussion on coagulation disorders in hypoT’s, so blood issues are not uncommon for us. Does anyone know if iodine is helpful for abnormal CBCs and coagulation.  

 

Stan

 

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of jprocure@...

Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 8:38 AMiodine Subject: Re: iron and cancer question

 

 

Hi BaxroxYour post is only the second time I've heard of MCV...my doc is testing mine!Also, I'd be careful using molasses and beets as iron supps due to the sugar in them. Not great for cancer from what I can understand.

Jaye

> >> > Thanks -that makes me feel more comfortable> >  > > So is there a particular bio available iron supplement that anyone would recommend?> >  > > Thanks

> >  > > > > > > From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@>> > iodine > > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2011, 13:13

> > Subject: Re: Re: iron and cancer question> > > > > >   > > My ferritin was very low when I was fighting thyroid cancer.  I supplemented with iron and B6 to get my levels up because I was so fatigued.  I believe the risk of iron in cancer is not related to thyroid.  It's been a while since I researched it but I remember being comfortable with trying to increase my levels when I was done looking into it.

> >  > > Buist, ND> > > >  > > Re: iron and cancer question> > >> > >  > > >Not a good thing then?  Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid?  Now I need someone to clarify please....

> > >> > >Help!> > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Even if you have direct soy allergy, you can still take natto as no soy is left. Many of us avoid soy for thyroid health but that is not a concern either. PamOn Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:31 PM, ido zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote:

 

natto is from fermented soy.they are ok

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Pamela Valley <2007pams@...> wrote:

 

I second nattokinase. Take one every 12 hours. Look for one that has K2 in it as that helps bones absorb calcium and naturally is in natto. I have been told there is no soy left in the enzyme but it is grown on soy.

 I had 7 bloodclots in a year. Natto took away last one in 5 hours. A full aspirin a day didn't prevent the last 5 clots and surgery didn't prevent the seventh clot. Natto also helps clear bio film from your gut and seems to help clear brain fog.Pam

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, ido zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote:

 

you have to look at nattokinase

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:04 AM, S. Altan <AltanS@...> wrote:

 

Jaye

 

Elevated MCV and MCH are associated with either B12 or Folate deficiency. This usually follows from poor gut absorption due to low stomach acid, a common feature of hypoT’s, low thyroid decreases stomach acid.  Dr Brownstein also has a discussion on coagulation disorders in hypoT’s, so blood issues are not uncommon for us. Does anyone know if iodine is helpful for abnormal CBCs and coagulation.  

 

Stan

 

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of jprocure@...

Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 8:38 AMiodine Subject: Re: iron and cancer question

 

 

Hi BaxroxYour post is only the second time I've heard of MCV...my doc is testing mine!Also, I'd be careful using molasses and beets as iron supps due to the sugar in them. Not great for cancer from what I can understand.

Jaye

> >> > Thanks -that makes me feel more comfortable> >  > > So is there a particular bio available iron supplement that anyone would recommend?> >  > > Thanks

> >  > > > > > > From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@>> > iodine > > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2011, 13:13

> > Subject: Re: Re: iron and cancer question> > > > > >   > > My ferritin was very low when I was fighting thyroid cancer.  I supplemented with iron and B6 to get my levels up because I was so fatigued.  I believe the risk of iron in cancer is not related to thyroid.  It's been a while since I researched it but I remember being comfortable with trying to increase my levels when I was done looking into it.

> >  > > Buist, ND> > > >  > > Re: iron and cancer question> > >> > >  > > >Not a good thing then?  Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid?  Now I need someone to clarify please....

> > >> > >Help!> > >> > >> >>

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My soy allergic daughter has big trouble w nattokinase.

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From: http://www.afibbers.org/conference/session40.pdf

"Soy Allergies

The specific form discussed in this post….purified NSK SD – is safe

for people with soy sensitivities but people with

extreme soy allergies resulting in anaphylactic shock should NOT

take nattokinase."

On 6/20/2011 1:26 PM, mbrookh wrote:

My soy allergic daughter has big trouble w nattokinase.

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bio available iron supplement that anyone

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> >>>> > > From: ladybugsandbees

<ladybugsandbees@>

> >>>> > > iodine

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2011, 13:13

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iron and cancer question

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> >>>> > > My ferritin was very low

when I was fighting thyroid cancer. I

> >>>> supplemented with iron and B6 to get

my levels up because I was so

> >>>> fatigued. I believe the risk of

iron in cancer is not related to

> >>>> thyroid. It's been a while since I

researched it but I remember being

> >>>> comfortable with trying to increase

my levels when I was done looking into

> >>>> it.

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> >>>> > > Buist, ND

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> >>>> > > Re:

iron and cancer question

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> >>>> > > >Not a good thing

then? Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I

> >>>> was told that as my ferritin is so

low I need to supplement - although I

> >>>> have papillary cancer I am also

hypothyroid? Now I need someone to clarify

> >>>> please....

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> >>>> > > >Help!

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> >>>> ****

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[Guest guest]

HI! I was wondering what next steps you would suggest for me. The last 2 blood

work results showed me to be anemic and the last lab screened positive for ANA.

Here is some background: for about 1 ½ yrs feeling fatigued & over the yrs my

hair has been thinning. In August I started to have a lot of mucus and my hair

started falling out in clumps and I was EXTREMELY fatigued. I started taking

Blue Bonnet's iron bisglycinate at that pt. My June iron labs were in range, I

started taking iron in August and then BW in Oct showed anemic. After Oct BW

Increased my iron some more and met with a hematologist. 11/27 Blood was drawn

during my appt (and I had 27 mg of iron so far that day). At that appt

hematologist spoke of possible iron IV. He is due to call me and discuss

results.

I don't want to overreact, and I would like to get to the root of this as well

as feel better and get my hair back. The hair has stopped falling out in

clumps but it does not seem to be coming back in. I have a very thin spot on

the top of my head.

Thanks and have a blessed day, Luci

So here are the BW results from Oct 12th.

WBC 5.2 (4 -10.5)

RBC 3.96 (3.8-5.10)

Hemoglobin 11.9 (11.5 – 15)

Hematocrit 35.5 (34 -44)

Bun 14 (6-24)

Creatinine .59 (.57-1.00)

Bun/Creatinine Ratio 24 (9-23)

Potassium 4.7 (3.5-5.2)

TIBC 335 (250-450)

UIBC 288 (150-375)

Iron, Serum 47 (35-155)

Iron Saturation 14 (14-55)

Ferritin 65 (13-150)

Occult Blood, Fecal negative

BW results from Nov 27th.

WBC 4.8 (4.5 -10.5)

RBC 4.26 (4-6)

Hemoglobin 12.3 (11-18)

Hematocrit 38.8 (35-60)

MPV 7.2 (7.8-11)

Bun 22 (6-20)

Creatinine .73 (.6-1.10)

Bun/Creatinine Ratio 30.1 (10-28)

Potassium 4.0 (3.3-5.3)

TIBC 345 (228-428)

UIBC not done

Iron, Serum 64 (30-160)

Iron Saturation 19 (20-55)

Ferritin 85 (10-291)

Ana titer 1:160 (<1:80)

> >

> > Check out Symbiotics Lactoferrin and Allergy Research Laktoferrin. I

> think

> > I used Allergy Research. I'm not sure if either are considered

> > iron-saturated but Allergy Research indicates Laktoferrin has 77.5% to

> 80.5%

> > iron-binding capacity. The product should indicate: Obtained from the

> milk

> > of range-grazed cattle, raised without the use of hormones,

> antibiotics and

> > pesticides with 95% purity (or something similar). Take the Vitamin C

> up to

> > bowel tolerance as her body may need more than 3 grams.

> >

> > I just read that Lactoferrin Gold is 80% apo and only 20% holo. The

> company

> > is based in Europe and it looks like it is MLM. Ugh! Therefore, I

> would

> > definitely look at Symbiotics or Allergy Research. One capsule of the

> AR

> > Laktoferrin contains 350 mg of lactoferrin. I'm not a fan of LEF

> products,

> > but I do like their magazine and informative articles. J

> >

> > Take the Lactoferrin at night before bed. If taking proteolytic

> enzymes,

> > don't take Lactoferrin at the same time.

> >

> > Be Well

> > Dr.L

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Are you taking iodine? Do you have a question about the Iodine Protocol?

Kind regards,

Kathleen

moderator

Re: iron and cancer question

HI! I was wondering what next steps you would suggest for me. The last 2 blood work results showed me to be anemic and the last lab screened positive for ANA. Here is some background: for about 1 ½ yrs feeling fatigued & over the yrs my hair has been thinning. In August I started to have a lot of mucus and my hair started falling out in clumps and I was EXTREMELY fatigued. I started taking Blue Bonnet's iron bisglycinate at that pt. My June iron labs were in range, I started taking iron in August and then BW in Oct showed anemic. After Oct BW Increased my iron some more and met with a hematologist. 11/27 Blood was drawn during my appt (and I had 27 mg of iron so far that day). At that appt hematologist spoke of possible iron IV. He is due to call me and discuss results. I don't want to overreact, and I would like to get to the root of this as well as feel better and get my hair back. The hair has stopped falling out in clumps but it does not seem to be coming back in. I have a very thin spot on the top of my head. Thanks and have a blessed day, LuciSo here are the BW results from Oct 12th.WBC 5.2 (4 -10.5)RBC 3.96 (3.8-5.10)Hemoglobin 11.9 (11.5 - 15)Hematocrit 35.5 (34 -44)Bun 14 (6-24)Creatinine .59 (.57-1.00) Bun/Creatinine Ratio 24 (9-23)Potassium 4.7 (3.5-5.2)TIBC 335 (250-450)UIBC 288 (150-375)Iron, Serum 47 (35-155)Iron Saturation 14 (14-55)Ferritin 65 (13-150)Occult Blood, Fecal negativeBW results from Nov 27th.WBC 4.8 (4.5 -10.5)RBC 4.26 (4-6)Hemoglobin 12.3 (11-18)Hematocrit 38.8 (35-60)MPV 7.2 (7.8-11)Bun 22 (6-20)Creatinine .73 (.6-1.10) Bun/Creatinine Ratio 30.1 (10-28)Potassium 4.0 (3.3-5.3)TIBC 345 (228-428)UIBC not doneIron, Serum 64 (30-160)Iron Saturation 19 (20-55)Ferritin 85 (10-291)Ana titer 1:160 (<1:80)> >> > Check out Symbiotics Lactoferrin and Allergy Research Laktoferrin. I> think> > I used Allergy Research. I'm not sure if either are considered> > iron-saturated but Allergy Research indicates Laktoferrin has 77.5% to> 80.5%> > iron-binding capacity. The product should indicate: Obtained from the> milk> > of range-grazed cattle, raised without the use of hormones,> antibiotics and> > pesticides with 95% purity (or something similar). Take the Vitamin C> up to> > bowel tolerance as her body may need more than 3 grams.> >> > I just read that Lactoferrin Gold is 80% apo and only 20% holo. The> company> > is based in Europe and it looks like it is MLM. Ugh! Therefore, I> would> > definitely look at Symbiotics or Allergy Research. One capsule of the> AR> > Laktoferrin contains 350 mg of lactoferrin. I'm not a fan of LEF> products,> > but I do like their magazine and informative articles. J> >> > Take the Lactoferrin at night before bed. If taking proteolytic> enzymes,> > don't take Lactoferrin at the same time.> >> > Be Well> > Dr.L> >> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Luci,

Get tested for celiac. Anemia is a classical symptoms of celiac due to

malabsorption of iron out of a damaged GI tract.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1276329/

Contrary to what that article says about blood tests for celiac, the best lab

for diagnosing celiac, according to advice from all of the interent celiac

forums, is Enterolab (link below) because blood tests are too inaccurate and

they tend to yield too many " false negative " results. (This happened to our

daughter, and it delayed her diagnosis for 2 whole decades of unnecessary extra

sufferning. Her experience is NOT isolated!)

http://enterolab.com/

Whatever you do, do NOT make the mistake of assuming that a gluten free (GF)

diet will be sufficient to establish the diagnosis. The sickest patients tend to

fail GF trial diets. Long explanation about why this is true, nor do I have time

to go into all the reasons why right now.

It will save you money in the long run to " rule out " celiac. Do be sure that you

get the optional genetic cheek swab test also. You do NOT need a doctor's signed

lab order to be able to obtain this lab test because it does not involved

venipuncture. (This test is not available for NY residents, due to state laws in

NY. Not sure about residents in MD, but maybe not there either for the same

reason.)

> > >

> > > Check out Symbiotics Lactoferrin and Allergy Research Laktoferrin. I

> > think

> > > I used Allergy Research. I'm not sure if either are considered

> > > iron-saturated but Allergy Research indicates Laktoferrin has 77.5% to

> > 80.5%

> > > iron-binding capacity. The product should indicate: Obtained from the

> > milk

> > > of range-grazed cattle, raised without the use of hormones,

> > antibiotics and

> > > pesticides with 95% purity (or something similar). Take the Vitamin C

> > up to

> > > bowel tolerance as her body may need more than 3 grams.

> > >

> > > I just read that Lactoferrin Gold is 80% apo and only 20% holo. The

> > company

> > > is based in Europe and it looks like it is MLM. Ugh! Therefore, I

> > would

> > > definitely look at Symbiotics or Allergy Research. One capsule of the

> > AR

> > > Laktoferrin contains 350 mg of lactoferrin. I'm not a fan of LEF

> > products,

> > > but I do like their magazine and informative articles. J

> > >

> > > Take the Lactoferrin at night before bed. If taking proteolytic

> > enzymes,

> > > don't take Lactoferrin at the same time.

> > >

> > > Be Well

> > > Dr.L

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>