Re: iron and cancer question

[Guest guest]

I stumbled on that same information when fighting thyroid cancer. But that didn't stop me from taking it. My iron levels were around 14 when I started. I never got it higher than 30 (ferritin that is). We added B6 to help my body store it better. I took iron for 2 years and still beat thyroid cancer so my hunch is that the iron issue is specific to certain cancers and thyroid seems to be one that is not dependant on it.

What we do know is that Iodine in higher doses (50 mgs up to 300 mgs) is needed to fight it along with selenium, magnesium, Vit C and Vit D which is what I used. We also started B12 injections. This is an important factor in wellness too. Have you check these levels? I took doses of Iodoral up to 125 mgs before finally eliminated the cancer. I also removed amalgam fillings and chelated. I detoxed and detoxed, switched to a whole foods diet and eliminated gluten. My journey is on my website (blog) www.naturalthyroidchoices.com Maybe it will help you.

Buist, ND

iron and cancer question

Dear and All,

I am hoping you can help me.

My 20 yr old daughter has hashimoto's and in January was diagnosed with a malignant nodule on her thyroid. (papillary carcinoma). She also has adrenal fatigue. She is taking supplements and Isocort for the AF. In Dec she started a gluten free and anti-fungal diet and her TPO antibodies dropped 64% but her symptoms still linger. Particularly frustrating was that last summer she lost about ½ of her hair and the texture changed from silky to frizzy and has not gotten better. I was able to find/purchase Iodoral 12.5mg but she has not taken it yet. She is ramping up on so many pills and in finals week. I ordered the test kit from Hakala and hopefully next week when she comes home from college she can do it. She is also ramping up on LDN and ALA to reverse the Hashi’s and maybe shrink the nodule. She is also taking NDT, T3, Vit B complex, Selenium, magnesium, Chromium, Fish Oil, Eve Primrose, D3, enzymes, probiotics, and finishing up Nystatin. When I shared her hair dilemma with the Natural Thyroid group and posted her iron #s they said she needed iron. (posted at bottom). So I ordered the recommended Bluebonnet's chelated iron (27.5 mg). She has slowly built up to taking 2 at lunch and 2 at dinner.

I was doing some research on the use of Artemisinin(herb) to shrink malignant tumors and stumbled on information that cancer needs iron to grow and typically cancer patients are told not to take iron. I e-mailed the professor/MD at University of Washington who is doing work on using Artemisinin (Artemix) to shrink tumor growth. He told me that I am probably feeding the cancer with giving her iron.

I am now worried I am having my daughter do something that could harm her.

The Natural Thyroid group suggest I post this here for your help.I could use your wisdom in sorting through this,

Below are her iron #s:

Her December Iron panel was: Ferritin 20 range(13-150)TIBC 429 range (250-450)UIBC 382 range (150-375)Iron, Serum 47 range(35-155)Iron Saturation 11% range (15-55)Thanks! Have a blessed day,Luci

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

So I will continue to have her take 4- 27.5 mg of the Bluebonnet and check

her levels mid year.

Her Dec blood work showed her B12 to be 1428 range(211-946)

Her vit D, 25-hydroxy was 89 range(32-100)

Calcitriol (1,25 di-OH vit d) 135 range(10-75)

methylmalonic acid, serum 175 range (73-376)

(during the summer she took way too much Vitamin D3 to fight off colds and in

the summer it peaked at 200)

I did check out your website and it is very helpful.

While I have your ear, have any experience with Artemix and butyrate?

These were the 2 that the Phd/MD at U of Wash. mentioned.

Thanks,

I will be writing again after she does the iodine test I'm sure,

Have a blessed eve,

Luci

>

> I stumbled on that same information when fighting thyroid cancer. But that

didn't stop me from taking it. My iron levels were around 14 when I started. I

never got it higher than 30 (ferritin that is). We added B6 to help my body

store it better. I took iron for 2 years and still beat thyroid cancer so my

hunch is that the iron issue is specific to certain cancers and thyroid seems to

be one that is not dependant on it.

>

> What we do know is that Iodine in higher doses (50 mgs up to 300 mgs) is

needed to fight it along with selenium, magnesium, Vit C and Vit D which is what

I used. We also started B12 injections. This is an important factor in

wellness too. Have you check these levels? I took doses of Iodoral up to 125

mgs before finally eliminated the cancer. I also removed amalgam fillings and

chelated. I detoxed and detoxed, switched to a whole foods diet and eliminated

gluten. My journey is on my website (blog) www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

Maybe it will help you.

>

> Buist, ND

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There also seems to be a difference in approach of iron supplementation when the

ferritin is low versus ferritin that is high.

A friend of mine has cancer with a ferritin level in the 300's but her iron

levels are very low. The conventional docs want to give her iron but the ND's &

MD's at a different clinic (that practice integrative medicine) say no ... her

body is putting the iron into it's storage container... ferritin ... as a

defense mechanism in her particular situation. Also her MCV values are

adequate. She most likely has what is called 'anemia of chronic disease' ~

more information about that can be found at: http://www.irondisorders.org/

Other items that may be of interest to you are DCA (Dichloroacetic acid), &

PectoSol-C. And of course the Iodine protocol that you are already beginning!

>

> I stumbled on that same information when fighting thyroid cancer. But that

didn't stop me from taking it. My iron levels were around 14 when I started. I

never got it higher than 30 (ferritin that is). We added B6 to help my body

store it better. I took iron for 2 years and still beat thyroid cancer so my

hunch is that the iron issue is specific to certain cancers and thyroid seems to

be one that is not dependant on it.

>

> What we do know is that Iodine in higher doses (50 mgs up to 300 mgs) is

needed to fight it along with selenium, magnesium, Vit C and Vit D which is what

I used. We also started B12 injections. This is an important factor in

wellness too. Have you check these levels? I took doses of Iodoral up to 125

mgs before finally eliminated the cancer. I also removed amalgam fillings and

chelated. I detoxed and detoxed, switched to a whole foods diet and eliminated

gluten. My journey is on my website (blog) www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

Maybe it will help you.

>

> Buist, ND

>

>

> iron and cancer question

>

>

>

>

> Dear and All,

>

> I am hoping you can help me.

>

>

> My 20 yr old daughter has hashimoto's and in January was diagnosed

with a malignant nodule on her thyroid. (papillary carcinoma). She also has

adrenal fatigue. She is taking supplements and Isocort for the AF. In Dec she

started a gluten free and anti-fungal diet and her TPO antibodies dropped 64%

but her symptoms still linger. Particularly frustrating was that last summer

she lost about ½ of her hair and the texture changed from silky to frizzy and

has not gotten better. I was able to find/purchase Iodoral 12.5mg but she has

not taken it yet. She is ramping up on so many pills and in finals week. I

ordered the test kit from Hakala and hopefully next week when she comes home

from college she can do it. She is also ramping up on LDN and ALA to reverse

the Hashi's and maybe shrink the nodule. She is also taking NDT, T3, Vit B

complex, Selenium, magnesium, Chromium, Fish Oil, Eve Primrose, D3, enzymes,

probiotics, and finishing up Nystatin. When I shared her hair dilemma with the

Natural Thyroid group and posted her iron #s they said she needed iron. (posted

at bottom). So I ordered the recommended Bluebonnet's chelated iron (27.5 mg).

She has slowly built up to taking 2 at lunch and 2 at dinner.

>

> I was doing some research on the use of Artemisinin(herb) to shrink

malignant tumors and stumbled on information that cancer needs iron to grow and

typically cancer patients are told not to take iron. I e-mailed the professor/MD

at University of Washington who is doing work on using Artemisinin (Artemix) to

shrink tumor growth. He told me that I am probably feeding the cancer with

giving her iron.

>

> I am now worried I am having my daughter do something that could harm her.

>

> The Natural Thyroid group suggest I post this here for your help.

>

> I could use your wisdom in sorting through this,

>

> Below are her iron #s:

>

> Her December Iron panel was:

> Ferritin 20 range(13-150)

> TIBC 429 range (250-450)

> UIBC 382 range (150-375)

> Iron, Serum 47 range(35-155)

> Iron Saturation 11% range (15-55)

>

> Thanks!

>

> Have a blessed day,

> Luci

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I would suggest you read up on Beta Glucan 300 << that product is safe and

it works very well. My son and I take it as he was told he had enlarged lymph

nodes that looked suspicious, and I have nodules on my thyroid. I bought this

after researching took it everyday, and my sons lymph nodes went back to normal

and my nodules have shrunk and a few of them left all together. Read this

product they use it in Japan to destroy cancer it is 100 percent safe and

effective but I've only tried this particular supplement for said reasons once

you read on it you'll understand why. God bless you for helping your daughter.

>

> Dear and All,

>

> I am hoping you can help me.

>

>

> My 20 yr old daughter has hashimoto's and in January was diagnosed

> with a malignant nodule on her thyroid. (papillary carcinoma). She also

> has adrenal fatigue. She is taking supplements and Isocort for the AF. In

> Dec she started a gluten free and anti-fungal diet and her TPO antibodies

> dropped 64% but her symptoms still linger. Particularly frustrating was

> that last summer she lost about ½ of her hair and the texture changed from

> silky to frizzy and has not gotten better. I was able to find/purchase

> Iodoral 12.5mg but she has not taken it yet. She is ramping up on so many

> pills and in finals week. I ordered the test kit from Hakala and hopefully

> next week when she comes home from college she can do it. She is also

> ramping up on LDN and ALA to reverse the Hashi's and maybe shrink the

> nodule. She is also taking NDT, T3, Vit B complex, Selenium, magnesium,

> Chromium, Fish Oil, Eve Primrose, D3, enzymes, probiotics, and finishing up

> Nystatin. When I shared her hair dilemma with the Natural Thyroid group and

> posted her iron #s they said she needed iron. (posted at bottom). So I

> ordered the recommended Bluebonnet's chelated iron (27.5 mg). She has

> slowly built up to taking 2 at lunch and 2 at dinner.

>

> I was doing some research on the use of Artemisinin(herb) to shrink

> malignant tumors and stumbled on information that cancer needs iron to grow

> and typically cancer patients are told not to take iron. I e-mailed the

> professor/MD at University of Washington who is doing work on using

> Artemisinin (Artemix) to shrink tumor growth. He told me that I am probably

> feeding the cancer with giving her iron.

>

> I am now worried I am having my daughter do something that could harm her.

>

> The Natural Thyroid group suggest I post this here for your help.

>

> I could use your wisdom in sorting through this,

>

> Below are her iron #s:

>

> Her December Iron panel was:

> Ferritin 20 range(13-150)

> TIBC 429 range (250-450)

> UIBC 382 range (150-375)

> Iron, Serum 47 range(35-155)

> Iron Saturation 11% range (15-55)

>

> Thanks!

>

> Have a blessed day,

> Luci

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Luci

You are getting some good advice from other forum members.  Below is some more

information to consider.

Cancer’s nature is an affinity for iron and this is one reason why when

one presents with anemia, cancer should always be considered as a

possibility…..especially in this time of history when 1 out of 2-3 people

will get a cancer diagnosis during their lifetime.  Sadly, cancer is being

presented in younger and younger people.

Iron

is required for cell division. Cancer cells divide at a very high rate. In

order to divide at this high rate, cancer cells must accumulate high

concentrations of iron. In fact, the surface of cancer cells have many more

iron attracting receptors than on the surface of a normal, healthy cell.  Most

natural medicine practitioners will agree that a natural medicine protocol for

active tumor(s) will be different from a protocol for someone who has no tumor

burden (tumors removed).

You

may want to do some research on lactoferrin, especially if she is taking an

outside iron supplement.  There is a lot of good information about lactoferrin

and it is one of many supplements that I took while healing from cancer. 

I found the following information interesting (this is referring to a study

done with pregnant women and the benefit of lactoferrin over ferrous sulfate in

restoring iron levels)

Another mechanism by which anemia is corrected is by lowering inflammation

in the body. I speak of ID anemia that is also prevalent in anemia of

inflammation or as some call it: anemia of chronic disease. In this scenario,

the iron is prevented from being absorbed by a peptide produced in the liver

called hepcidin. The literature mentions hepcidin as a regulator of iron

homeostasis in the body. Lactoferrin, reduces inflammation so that the iron is

absorbed better and used by the body.

High

levels of iron sulfate actually increase levels of hepcidin (by increasing toxicity

and inflammation) thus, lowering the amount of iron that can be used and

causing your body to store it in its organs i.e. the liver. So now you have a

situation where you have anemia with high ferritin levels. So whether the

lactoferrin contains iron or not (this is referring to the fact that there are

two different types of lactoferrin sold in the US. Apolactoferrin is the most

commercially available. Those with cancer would need Iron-saturated

lactoferrin” or “holo-lactoferrin”.) – it is

still quite effective by means of reducing hepcidin. So if you look a bit

further you will see that that has implications not just in pregnancy but in

cancer and other inflammatory ID states.

I have read the full study and have also read the clinical trial

goals/methods. Researchers used a german-made Bovine lactoferrin supplement

available in Italy commercialized by Grunenthal, as Lattoglobina® (capsules

with 100 mg of bLf )( The results of the study showed that bovine

lactoferrin has the same efficacy as ferrous sulfate in restoring iron deposits

with significantly fewer gastrointestinal side effects)

I

would recommend a standard dose of iron at about 24mg, but I would add 3 gms of

buffered vitamin C daily and lactoferrin in a slightly higher dose than used

for pregnancy in this study for cancer or infection/sepsis. I would love to see

a study in cancer and anemia of inflammation with lactoferrin. (we know that a

formal study will most likely never happen) By the way, one of the benefits of

lactoferrin is that it helps your immune system work better and helps heal

ulcers (bleeding is another cause of anemia and low iron).

http://scientificliving.net/2011/04/treat-cancer-and-anemia-naturally-with-lactoferrin/ 

- Gives an adequate overview of lactoferrin.

Since not

every protocol that has given success works for everyone, I would highly

suggest finding a knowledgeable healthcare practitioner to help/guide in an

overall whole-body approach for cleansing the entire body (very, very, very

important), implementing the entire iodine protocol, balancing sex hormones,

healthy gluten-free diet and herbs/supplements that are known to be true cancer

fighters.  Stress elimination is highly important along with effectively

dealing with negative emotions, past wrongs, anger, etc.  I believe that a good

choice was made in using the Nystatin even though I am no fan of drugs.

Focusing on keeping the digestive tract clean and in balance is always a good

idea. I would suggest that she implement supplements/herbs that will help to

keep yeast in balance.  By the way, Candida is inhibited by lactoferrin. 

Be Well

Dr.L

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Luci

Tenenbaum

Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:05 PM

iodine

Subject: iron and cancer question

Dear

and All,

I am hoping you can help me.

My 20 yr

old daughter has hashimoto's and in January was diagnosed with a

malignant nodule on her thyroid. (papillary carcinoma). She also

has adrenal fatigue. She is taking supplements and Isocort for the

AF. In Dec she started a gluten free and anti-fungal diet and her TPO

antibodies dropped 64% but her symptoms still linger. Particularly frustrating

was that last summer she lost about ½ of her hair and the texture changed from

silky to frizzy and has not gotten better. I was able to

find/purchase Iodoral 12.5mg but she has not taken it yet. She is

ramping up on so many pills and in finals week. I ordered the test kit from

Hakala and hopefully next week when she comes home from college she can do

it. She is also ramping up on LDN and ALA to reverse the Hashi’s

and maybe shrink the nodule. She is also taking NDT, T3, Vit B complex,

Selenium, magnesium, Chromium, Fish Oil, Eve Primrose, D3, enzymes, probiotics,

and finishing up Nystatin. When I shared her hair dilemma with the Natural

Thyroid group and posted her iron #s they said she needed iron. (posted at

bottom). So I ordered the recommended Bluebonnet's chelated iron (27.5

mg). She has slowly built up to taking 2 at lunch and 2 at dinner.

I was doing

some research on the use of Artemisinin(herb) to shrink malignant tumors

and stumbled on information that cancer needs iron to grow and typically cancer

patients are told not to take iron. I e-mailed the professor/MD at University

of Washington who is doing work on using Artemisinin (Artemix) to shrink tumor

growth. He told me that I am probably feeding the cancer with giving her

iron.

I am now worried I am having my

daughter do something that could harm her.

The Natural Thyroid group suggest I post

this here for your help.

I could use your wisdom in sorting through this,

Below are her iron #s:

Her December Iron panel was:

Ferritin 20 range(13-150)

TIBC 429 range (250-450)

UIBC 382 range (150-375)

Iron, Serum 47 range(35-155)

Iron Saturation 11% range (15-55)

Thanks!

Have a blessed day,

Luci

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. L and All,

Thank you so much for all this good info!

Regarding the lactoferrin… I could only find apolactoferrin (that does not have

iron with it).. You stated " Those with cancer would need Iron-saturated

lactoferrin " or " holo-lactoferrin " " The article you provided also stated it

would be preferable to get lactoferrin that is NOT apolactoferrin. I tried

searching for Iron-saturated lactoferrin, holo-lactoferrin, Lattoglobina,

Lactoferrin Gold 1.8 and no product came up that I could purchase. (lots of

reports). So could she do 27 mg of the chelated iron with the more easily

gotten Life Extension or Jarrow apolactoferrin that is 250/300 mg/day? If so,

do they need to be taken at the same time? I will bump up her Vitamin C from 2

gr to 3 grams. She arrives home late Friday night from college so I could make

the switch without cause for alarm on her part.

I so agree with your assessment on negative emotions etc. Our church runs from

Sept to May sessions and prayer ministry on inner healing that are phenomenal.

Unforgiveness, bitter root judgements, fear etc. all contribute to our

sickness.

On Beta Glucan 300… that also looks very promising. Could you tell me what

brand you used? I also noticed dosing guidelines based on weight and what you

are taking it for – maintenance vs acute situation. So could you tell me how

much your son took and his weight?

Thanks again,

Have a blessed day,

Luci

Re: iron and cancer question

Hi, I would suggest you read up on Beta Glucan 300 << that product is safe and

it works very well. My son and I take it as he was told he had enlarged lymph

nodes that looked suspicious, and I have nodules on my thyroid. I bought this

after researching took it everyday, and my sons lymph nodes went back to normal

and my nodules have shrunk and a few of them left all together. Read this

product they use it in Japan to destroy cancer it is 100 percent safe and

effective but I've only tried this particular supplement for said reasons once

you read on it you'll understand why. God bless you for helping your daughter.

>

> Hi Luci

>

> You are getting some good advice from other forum members. Below is some more

information to consider.

>

> Cancer's nature is an affinity for iron and this is one reason why when one

presents with anemia, cancer should always be considered as a

> possibility…..especially in this time of history when 1 out of 2-3 people will

get a cancer diagnosis during their lifetime. Sadly, cancer is being presented

in younger and younger people.

>

>

> Iron is required for cell division. Cancer cells divide at a very high rate.

In order to divide at this high rate, cancer cells must accumulate high

concentrations of iron. In fact, the surface of cancer cells have many more iron

attracting receptors than on the surface of a normal, healthy cell.

> Most natural medicine practitioners will agree that a natural medicine

protocol for active tumor(s) will be different from a protocol for someone who

has no tumor burden (tumors removed).

>

>

> You may want to do some research on lactoferrin, especially if she is taking

an outside iron supplement. There is a lot of good information about

lactoferrin and it is one of many supplements that I took while healing from

cancer.

>

> I found the following information interesting (this is referring to a study

done with pregnant women and the benefit of lactoferrin over ferrous sulfate in

restoring iron levels)

>

> Another mechanism by which anemia is corrected is by lowering inflammation in

the body. I speak of ID anemia that is also prevalent in anemia of inflammation

or as some call it: anemia of chronic disease. In this scenario, the iron is

prevented from being absorbed by a peptide produced in the liver called

hepcidin. The literature mentions hepcidin as a regulator of iron homeostasis in

the body. Lactoferrin, reduces inflammation so that the iron is absorbed better

and used by the body.

>

> High levels of iron sulfate actually increase levels of hepcidin (by

> increasing toxicity and inflammation) thus, lowering the amount of iron that

can be used and causing your body to store it in its organs i.e. the liver. So

now you have a situation where you have anemia with high ferritin levels. So

whether the lactoferrin contains iron or not (this is referring to the fact

that there are two different types of lactoferrin sold in the US.

> Apolactoferrin is the most commercially available. Those with cancer would

need Iron-saturated lactoferrin " or " holo-lactoferrin " .) – it is still quite

effective by means of reducing hepcidin. So if you look a bit further you will

see that that has implications not just in pregnancy but in cancer and other

inflammatory ID states.

>

> I have read the full study and have also read the clinical trial

> goals/methods. Researchers used a german-made Bovine lactoferrin supplement

available in Italy commercialized by Grunenthal, as Lattoglobina® (capsules with

100 mg of bLf )( The results of the study showed that bovine lactoferrin has the

same efficacy as ferrous sulfate in restoring iron deposits with significantly

fewer gastrointestinal side effects)

>

> I would recommend a standard dose of iron at about 24mg, but I would add 3 gms

of buffered vitamin C daily and lactoferrin in a slightly higher dose than used

for pregnancy in this study for cancer or infection/sepsis. I would love to see

a study in cancer and anemia of inflammation with lactoferrin. (we know that a

formal study will most likely never happen) By the way, one of the benefits of

lactoferrin is that it helps your immune system work better and helps heal

ulcers (bleeding is another cause of anemia and low iron).

>

> http://scientificliving.net/2011/04/treat-cancer-and-anemia-naturally-with-l

> actoferrin/ - Gives an adequate overview of lactoferrin.

>

> Since not every protocol that has given success works for everyone, I would

highly suggest finding a knowledgeable healthcare practitioner to help/guide in

an overall whole-body approach for cleansing the entire body (very, very, very

important), implementing the entire iodine protocol, balancing sex hormones,

healthy gluten-free diet and herbs/supplements that are known to

be true cancer fighters. Stress elimination is highly important along with

effectively dealing with negative emotions, past wrongs, anger, etc. I believe

that a good choice was made in using the Nystatin even though I am no fan of

drugs. Focusing on keeping the digestive tract clean and in balance is always a

good idea. I would suggest that she implement supplements/herbs that will help

to keep yeast in balance. By the way, Candida is inhibited by lactoferrin.

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Everyone,I replied last night but do not see my message on the board – so I am not sure what happened to it. So I apologize if it somehow appears again!Thank you so much for all this good info! Regarding the lactoferrin… I could only find apolactoferrin (that does not have iron with it).. Dr. L you stated “Those with cancer would need Iron-saturated lactoferrin” or “holo-lactoferrin”” The article you provided also stated it would be preferable to get lactoferrin that is NOT apolactoferrin. I tried searching for Iron-saturated lactoferrin, holo-lactoferrin, Lattoglobina, Lactoferrin Gold 1.8 and no product came up that I could purchase. (lots of reports). So could she do 27 mg of the chelated iron with the more easily gotten Life Extension or Jarrow apolactoferrin that is 250/300 mg/day? If so, do they need to be taken at the same time? I will bump up her Vitamin C from 2 gr to 3 grams. She arrives home late Friday night so I could make the switch without cause for alarm on her part. I so agree with your assessment on negative emotions etc. Our church runs from Sept to May sessions and prayer ministry on inner healing that are phenomenal. Unforgiveness, bitter root judgements, fear etc. all contribute to our sickness.On Beta Glucan 300… that also looks very promising. Could you tell me what brand you used? I also noticed dosing guidelines based on weight and what you are taking it for – maintenance vs acute situation. So could you tell me how much your son took and his weight? Today I plan to look into DCA (Dichloroacetic acid), & PectoSol-C as well.Last question, would loading her up with all of these “remedies” cause any problems – namely work at cross purposes?Thanks again,Have a blessed day,Luci

[Guest guest]

Check out Symbiotics Lactoferrin and Allergy Research Laktoferrin.

I think I used Allergy Research. I’m not sure if either are

considered iron-saturated but Allergy Research indicates Laktoferrin has 77.5%

to 80.5% iron-binding capacity. The product should indicate: Obtained

from the milk of range-grazed cattle, raised without the use of hormones,

antibiotics and pesticides with 95% purity (or something similar). Take

the Vitamin C up to bowel tolerance as her body may need more than 3 grams.

I just read that Lactoferrin Gold is 80% apo and only 20% holo. The company is

based in Europe and it looks like it is MLM. Ugh! Therefore, I would

definitely look at Symbiotics or Allergy Research. One capsule of the AR

Laktoferrin contains 350 mg of lactoferrin. I’m not a fan of LEF

products, but I do like their magazine and informative articles. J

Take the Lactoferrin at night before bed. If taking proteolytic

enzymes, don’t take Lactoferrin at the same time.

Be Well

Dr.L

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Luci

Tenenbaum

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:18 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: iron and cancer question

Dear

Everyone,

I replied

last night but do not see my message on the board – so I am not sure what

happened to it. So I apologize if it somehow appears again!

Thank you

so much for all this good info!

Regarding

the lactoferrin…

I could only find apolactoferrin (that does not have iron with

it).. Dr. L you stated “Those with cancer would need Iron-saturated

lactoferrin” or “holo-lactoferrin”” The article you

provided also stated it would be preferable to get lactoferrin that is

NOT apolactoferrin. I tried searching for Iron-saturated lactoferrin,

holo-lactoferrin, Lattoglobina, Lactoferrin Gold 1.8 and no product came up

that I could purchase. (lots of reports). So could she do 27 mg of the

chelated iron with the more easily gotten Life Extension or Jarrow

apolactoferrin that is 250/300 mg/day? If so, do they need to be taken at

the same time? I will bump up her Vitamin C from 2 gr to 3

grams. She arrives home late Friday night so I could make the

switch without cause for alarm on her part.

I so agree

with your assessment on negative emotions etc. Our church runs from Sept to May

sessions and prayer ministry on inner healing that are phenomenal.

Unforgiveness, bitter root judgements, fear etc. all contribute to our

sickness.

On Beta

Glucan 300…

that also looks very promising. Could you tell me what brand you

used? I also noticed dosing guidelines based on weight and what you are

taking it for – maintenance vs acute situation. So could you tell me how

much your son took and his weight?

Today I

plan to look into

DCA (Dichloroacetic acid), & PectoSol-C as well.

Last question,

would loading her up with all of these “remedies” cause any

problems – namely work at cross purposes?

Thanks again,

Have a blessed day,

Luci

[Guest guest]

High Dose, Highly Purified

Beta 1,3/1,6 GlucanI bought that brand and only that brand of beta glucan first because I had found a lump in my breast and the mammogram showed something as well. While the doctors were figuring out some sort of strategy for me I looked like mad online for strong help so I encorporated this as the other herbs did not seem to work. I did not want to go through the chemotherapy way I started on the highest dosage for my weight which was whatever was written on that paper (they send you another weight per capsule exchange with the bottles), My son was 16 at the time the endo was saying after the second ultra-sound done on his neck that if it did not improve (hiss swollen lymph nodes around his thyroid) he was going to have to see an oncologist. So I started him on the dosing as well. he is 5'10. My mammograms came back clear. I was just released in January to only come back once a year for a mammogram not every 3

or 6 months. I'm so happy about that. My sons lymph nodes are back to normal AND his high blood pressure went down. Take the maximum dosage that is what we did. My sons good with math he figured out what we needed to take first off. I am 5'1 ... we still take the product 2 everyday.Hospital was sooo shocked that this went away, they are still trying to figure out what happened. I detected disappointment in them that they weren't able to have me as their customer.love to you both toddles

[Guest guest]

Thermography would be an even more efficient way to check for BC. It can find lumps at 30,000 cells vs one million cells and  about 8 years earlier so give you time to use these type of methods instead of typical ideas. Thanks for sharing this. Pam

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:11 AM, erac raeb <erac_raeb2000@...> wrote:

 

High Dose, Highly Purified

Beta 1,3/1,6 GlucanI bought that brand and only that brand of beta glucan first because I had found a lump in my breast and the mammogram showed something as well. While the doctors were figuring out some sort of strategy for me I looked like mad online for strong help so I encorporated this as the other herbs did not seem to work. I did not want to go through the chemotherapy way I started on the highest dosage for my weight which was whatever was written on that paper (they send you another weight per capsule exchange with the bottles), My son was 16 at the time the endo was saying after the second ultra-sound done on his neck that if it did not improve (hiss swollen lymph nodes around his thyroid) he was going to have to see an oncologist. So I started him on the dosing as well. he is 5'10.

My mammograms came back clear. I was just released in January to only come back once a year for a mammogram not every 3

or 6 months. I'm so happy about that. My sons lymph nodes are back to normal AND his high blood pressure went down. Take the maximum dosage that is what we did. My sons good with math he figured out what we needed to take first off. I am 5'1 ... we still take the product 2 everyday.Hospital was sooo shocked that this went away, they are still trying to figure out what happened. I detected disappointment in them that they weren't able to have me as their customer.

love to you both toddles

[Guest guest]

What are the potential health risks attached to thermography, Pam?    Are they routinely available?On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Pamela Valley <2007pams@...> wrote:

 

Thermography would be an even more efficient way to check for BC. It can find lumps at 30,000 cells vs one million cells and  about 8 years earlier so give you time to use these type of methods instead of typical ideas. Thanks for sharing this. Pam

[Guest guest]

There is no radiation involved. It is a heat picture. The biggest issue is that most insurance doesn't cover it and most drs are not familiar with them. My last one was 150. You can google your state or city and find the closest one to you. My last one found 4 lumps but  a follow up ultrasound says they are all benign and there isn't a blood supply near them like BC typically creates. 

Also the amount of blood supply that you have in both breasts can be rated on a 1-5 scale. 1 being very safe. 3 is in middle. 4-5 are stages of BC. I was a 3 plus but have reversed  to a plain 3 that with DIM and progesterone and calcium-d-glurate. It is great to do that before any BC. Especially since Washington and Oregon are 1 and 2 in BC and I have lived in one or the other most my life. Hope this helps. Pam

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Cochrane <juliemc9@...> wrote:

 

What are the potential health risks attached to thermography, Pam?    Are they routinely available?On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Pamela Valley <2007pams@...> wrote:

 

Thermography would be an even more efficient way to check for BC. It can find lumps at 30,000 cells vs one million cells and  about 8 years earlier so give you time to use these type of methods instead of typical ideas. Thanks for sharing this. Pam

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much!To get something right away, the only product I could find in 30 miles was Jarrow. I usually purchase online ( and will do so). When the right product arrives I will return the Jarrow. Thanks for your input on Allergy Research and Symbiotics. I noticed that AR has 100mg lactoferrin and 250 mg Colostrum; Symbiotics has 250 mg of lactoferrin.Thanks for the advise on when to take it. I read that online but yet the bottle said take with meals (and she takes enzymes). She will take at bedtime. Have a blessed day,Luci Re: iron and cancer question Posted by: " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " drlanphier@... lanphierfamily Fri May 6, 2011 9:29 pm (PDT) Check out Symbiotics Lactoferrin and Allergy Research Laktoferrin. I thinkI used Allergy Research. I'm not sure if either are considerediron-saturated but Allergy Research indicates Laktoferrin has 77.5% to 80.5%iron-binding capacity. The product should indicate: Obtained from the milkof range-grazed cattle, raised without the use of hormones, antibiotics andpesticides with 95% purity (or something similar). Take the Vitamin C up tobowel tolerance as her body may need more than 3 grams. I just read that Lactoferrin Gold is 80% apo and only 20% holo. The companyis based in Europe and it looks like it is MLM. Ugh! Therefore, I woulddefinitely look at Symbiotics or Allergy Research. One capsule of the ARLaktoferrin contains 350 mg of lactoferrin. I'm not a fan of LEF products,but I do like their magazine and informative articles. J Take the Lactoferrin at night before bed. If taking proteolytic enzymes,don't take Lactoferrin at the same time.Be WellDr.L

[Guest guest]

Hi Toddles,

Thank you very much for your great information. Could you please tell me for how

long you took the Beta Glucan to successfully shrink your lump/nodules ? Where

did you buy this product? I really want to try it.

Spring.

>

> High Dose, Highly Purified

> Beta 1,3/1,6 Glucan

>

> I bought that brand and only that brand of beta glucan first because I had

found a lump in my breast and the mammogram showed something as well. While the

doctors were figuring out some sort of strategy for me I looked like mad online

for strong help so I encorporated this as the other herbs did not seem to work.

I did not want to go through the chemotherapy way I started on the highest

dosage for my weight which was whatever was written on that paper (they send you

another weight per capsule exchange with the bottles), My son was 16 at the time

the endo was saying after the second ultra-sound done on his neck that if it did

not improve (hiss swollen lymph nodes around his thyroid) he was going to have

to see an oncologist. So I started him on the dosing as well. he is 5'10.

>

> My mammograms came back clear. I was just released in January to only come

back once a year for a mammogram not every 3

> or 6 months. I'm so happy about that. My sons lymph nodes are back to normal

AND his high blood pressure went down. Take the maximum dosage that is what we

did. My sons good with math he figured out what we needed to take first off. I

am 5'1 ... we still take the product 2 everyday.Hospital was sooo shocked that

this went away, they are still trying to figure out what happened. I detected

disappointment in them that they weren't able to have me as their customer.

>

> love to you both toddles

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Luci

Allergy Research makes two – one with only lactoferrin and one with

lactoferrin and colostrum. If you choose Allergy Research, get the one

that is Laktoferrin only. It contains only lactoferrin and no colostrum.

http://www.allergyresearchgroup.com/Laktoferrin-120-Vegetarian-Caps-p-117.html

One capsule contains 350 mg which will be fine.

Be Well

Dr.L

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Luci

Tenenbaum

Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 6:20 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: iron and cancer question

Thanks

very much!

To

get something right away, the only product I could find in 30 miles was

Jarrow. I usually purchase online ( and will do so). When the right

product arrives I will return the Jarrow.

Thanks

for your input on Allergy Research and Symbiotics. I noticed that

AR has 100mg lactoferrin and 250 mg Colostrum; Symbiotics has 250 mg of

lactoferrin.

Thanks

for the advise on when to take it. I read that online but yet the bottle

said take with meals (and she takes enzymes). She will take at

bedtime.

Have

a blessed day,

Luci

Re: iron and cancer question

Posted by: " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " drlanphier@... lanphierfamily

Fri

May 6, 2011 9:29 pm (PDT)

Check out Symbiotics Lactoferrin and Allergy Research Laktoferrin. I think

I used Allergy Research. I'm not sure if either are considered

iron-saturated but Allergy Research indicates Laktoferrin has 77.5% to 80.5%

iron-binding capacity. The product should indicate: Obtained from the milk

of range-grazed cattle, raised without the use of hormones, antibiotics and

pesticides with 95% purity (or something similar). Take the Vitamin C up to

bowel tolerance as her body may need more than 3 grams.

I just read that Lactoferrin Gold is 80% apo and only 20% holo. The company

is based in Europe and it looks like it is MLM. Ugh! Therefore, I would

definitely look at Symbiotics or Allergy Research. One capsule of the AR

Laktoferrin contains 350 mg of lactoferrin. I'm not a fan of LEF products,

but I do like their magazine and informative articles. J

Take the Lactoferrin at night before bed. If taking proteolytic enzymes,

don't take Lactoferrin at the same time.

Be Well

Dr.L

[Guest guest]

Once again, thank you so much! Have a blessed eve, Luci

>

> Hi Luci

>

> Allergy Research makes two - one with only lactoferrin and one with

> lactoferrin and colostrum. If you choose Allergy Research, get the one

that

> is Laktoferrin only. It contains only lactoferrin and no colostrum.

>

>

http://www.allergyresearchgroup.com/Laktoferrin-120-Vegetarian-Caps-p-11\

7.ht

> ml One capsule contains 350 mg which will be fine.

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi - I have today come across a reply from Dr L (back in May) to someone and wondered if there is a natural iron supplement that anyone woukld recommend that you can get that is more bio available to the body than taking the normal ferruous sulphate from the GP?

I'm also still not clear on why lactoferrin would be beneficial if you have cancer (papillary c for me) - could someone explain it again please?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Right now my daughter is taking lactoferrin and Low Dose naltrexone

(LDN) at night.

I would like to start her on the Beta Glucan. I noticed the BG needs to

be taken on any empty stomach. For her that is at night. Would it be OK

for her to take the entire dose of BG (2000 mg - due to her Papillary

carcinoma) at night with the lactoferrin and LDN? She stopped taking

Virastop at night based on Dr. L's great info.

Thanks!

have a Blessed day,

Luci

>

> Check out Symbiotics Lactoferrin and Allergy Research Laktoferrin. I

think

> I used Allergy Research. I'm not sure if either are considered

> iron-saturated but Allergy Research indicates Laktoferrin has 77.5% to

80.5%

> iron-binding capacity. The product should indicate: Obtained from the

milk

> of range-grazed cattle, raised without the use of hormones,

antibiotics and

> pesticides with 95% purity (or something similar). Take the Vitamin C

up to

> bowel tolerance as her body may need more than 3 grams.

>

> I just read that Lactoferrin Gold is 80% apo and only 20% holo. The

company

> is based in Europe and it looks like it is MLM. Ugh! Therefore, I

would

> definitely look at Symbiotics or Allergy Research. One capsule of the

AR

> Laktoferrin contains 350 mg of lactoferrin. I'm not a fan of LEF

products,

> but I do like their magazine and informative articles. J

>

> Take the Lactoferrin at night before bed. If taking proteolytic

enzymes,

> don't take Lactoferrin at the same time.

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Am I reading this right? You have cancer and you are wanting to supplement

iron? If so, may I ask why?

>

> Hi - I have today come across a reply from Dr L (back in May) to someone and

wondered if there is a natural iron supplement that anyone woukld recommend that

you can get that is more bio available to the body than taking the normal

ferruous sulphate from the GP? 

>  

> I'm also still not clear on why lactoferrin would be beneficial if you have

cancer (papillary c for me) - could someone explain it again please?

>  

> Thanks

>  

>

>

[Guest guest]

people with low stomach acid absorb only ferruous sulphate therefore the supplements most of the time do not work.

more you can read in this book.

Why Stomach Acid is Good for You: Natural Relief from Heartburn, Indigestion, Reflux and GERD

 i guess most of the people in this group like big part of the population suffer from low stomach acid

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, baxrox <baxrox@...> wrote:

 

Am I reading this right? You have cancer and you are wanting to supplement iron? If so, may I ask why?

>> Hi - I have today come across a reply from Dr L (back in May) to someone and wondered if there is a natural iron supplement that anyone woukld recommend that you can get that is more bio available to the body than taking the normal ferruous sulphate from the GP? 

>  > I'm also still not clear on why lactoferrin would be beneficial if you have cancer (papillary c for me) - could someone explain it again please?>  > Thanks>  > >

[Guest guest]

Not a good thing then? Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid? Now I need someone to clarify please....

Help!

[Guest guest]

My ferritin was very low when I was fighting thyroid cancer. I supplemented with iron and B6 to get my levels up because I was so fatigued. I believe the risk of iron in cancer is not related to thyroid. It's been a while since I researched it but I remember being comfortable with trying to increase my levels when I was done looking into it.

Buist, ND

Re: iron and cancer question

Not a good thing then? Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid? Now I need someone to clarify please....

Help!

[Guest guest]

Thanks -that makes me feel more comfortable

So is there a particular bio available iron supplement that anyone would recommend?

Thanks

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Friday, 17 June 2011, 13:13Subject: Re: Re: iron and cancer question

My ferritin was very low when I was fighting thyroid cancer. I supplemented with iron and B6 to get my levels up because I was so fatigued. I believe the risk of iron in cancer is not related to thyroid. It's been a while since I researched it but I remember being comfortable with trying to increase my levels when I was done looking into it.

Buist, ND

Re: iron and cancer question

Not a good thing then? Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary cancer I am also hypothyroid? Now I need someone to clarify please....

Help!

[Guest guest]

From what I have gathered supplementing iron when cancer is present is not a

straightforward thing. In some cases it may be appropriate, in others not so

much.

My friends integrative cancer Dr. advised her against iron supplementation in

her situation which is that her ferritin is very high and serum iron levels were

low and to conventional thinking she is anemic. The western medicine doctors

advised her to take iron and wanted to give it to her via IV. Her integrative

Dr. also said that MCV results are the marker for needing iron.

So digging around further I found that she has what is called anemia of chronic

disease. What she understood her integrative Dr. to say was that If she were to

take iron supplementation she would be feeding her cancer. Her body is storing

(as ferritin) all iron it can find in it's attempt to starve the cancer.

The best website that I found to learn about this is the Iron Disorders

Institute: http://www.irondisorders.org/anemia-of-chronic-disease

excerpt from that site:

" The greatest risk for harm is mistaking anemia of chronic disease for

iron-deficiency anemia and allowing the patient to take iron pills. This risk

can be reduced or eliminated by differenetiating between to the two iron

disorders with serum ferrtin test and by informing the patient about the

differences in these two iron disorders.

Treatment

There is no treatment for anemia of chronic disease except to address the

underlying condition. Iron supplementation is inappropriate in these patients

because the added iron can become free to nourish bacteria and cancer cells. "

Dr. L also spoke to this in that earlier thread that you were looking at ~ msg

#75641

Hope this clarifies why I queried you further and also helps you to ascertain

your situation which, on the surface, does not appear to be a high ferritin

state which would indicate the possibility of anemia of chronic disease. At

least you have more information to consider which is needed to be your own best

advocate.

>

> Not a good thing then?  Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told

that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary

cancer I am also hypothyroid?  Now I need someone to clarify please....

>  

> Help!

>  

>

>

[Guest guest]

If supplementation is appropriate for you you may consider Iron Picolinate taken

with vitamin C at the same time. (also spoken to in Dr. L's msg #75641)

Blackstrap molasses and beet roots are food products that many folks use when

anemic.

>

> Thanks -that makes me feel more comfortable

>  

> So is there a particular bio available iron supplement that anyone would

recommend?

>  

> Thanks

>  

>

>

> From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>

> iodine

> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2011, 13:13

> Subject: Re: Re: iron and cancer question

>

>

>  

> My ferritin was very low when I was fighting thyroid cancer.  I supplemented

with iron and B6 to get my levels up because I was so fatigued.  I believe the

risk of iron in cancer is not related to thyroid.  It's been a while since I

researched it but I remember being comfortable with trying to increase my levels

when I was done looking into it.

>  

> Buist, ND

>

>  

> Re: iron and cancer question

> >

> > 

> >Not a good thing then?  Sorry I'm obviously missing something - I was told

that as my ferritin is so low I need to supplement - although I have papillary

cancer I am also hypothyroid?  Now I need someone to clarify please....

> >

> >Help!

> >

> >

>