Do I need the tetanus shot?

[Guest guest]

And besides, I believe part of what we have learned here is that when the

wound bleeds, the blood cleanses the wound and it also tells you that tetanus

won't survive in the wound because oxygen is present.

[Guest guest]

--- Dina Mason <dina.mason@...> wrote:

> Oh, when I told her I was refusing the tetanus,

> the first thing she

> threw at me was " well you know you can die from

> that? "

Ahhhh...nothing like perpetuating the myth! Just to

let you know, I wouldn't get too worried about the

cut. Three years ago, I fell off a chair I was

standing on to get something from high shelf (not

brilliant, I know) and basically cut off the bottom of

my big toe. This was a wooden chair, and I had quite

a bit of splinter imbedded. I went to my PCP, he

cleaned it, stitched it with 14 stitches, and I lived

(obviously). I haven't had a tet shot since I was a

child. Also, just about 3 months ago, I cut the

bottom of my foot open pretty badly. (You know those

metal strips that hold your carpet down, when going to

linoleum? Ours was sticking up a bit, and I, of

course, ran it up into my foot.) I just let it

bleed...and man did it ever!! However, I just let it

bleed, and after about 15 minutes, dh cleaned it up

for me, bandaged it, and left it at that. I didn't

even go to PCP, tho it definately could have used

stitches!! Anyhow, my point is, that if you practice

proper wound care, you really shouldn't have to worry.

If I were in your shoes, I'd skip the shot.

(Sorry this was so long...it's still early morning

here, and my brain is fuzzy yet! =oP )

~Donna

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[Guest guest]

Aren't the tet spores also in horse feces? I seem to

recall that this is where the pharm companies get the

spores from. Maybe I am still too fuzzy and

delusional...anyone??

~Donna

--- Lady Lumbee <ladylumbee@...> wrote:

> tetanus is only found in dirt.

>

> Ellen

> ladylumbee@...

> I do not suffer from my insanity***I ENJOY every

> second of it.

> hehe haha hoho

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Don't know the actual figures but I think I'd have responded that you could

die in a car wreck....do you walk everywhere? Or something equally as

stupid...Why can't the people simply ask nicely if you are informed of

tetanus and would you like one or not. Is it too hard to simply be nice?

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Do I need the tetanus shot?

O.k. Ladies, I need your advice.

Last night I was cleaning fish when I cut my right index finger. It looked

pretty bad at first, so it was off to the ER. After waiting 8 hours, I had

pretty much decided that it wasn't that bad, and I would have them clean it

and go from there. It prolly could have used 2 TINY stitches, but even

the nurse agreed that it really wasn't as bad as it looked. And it was a

toss up between the stitches and steri-strips. O.K. So here is my

question. The cut happened with a brand new filet knife, and IMMEDIATELY

after I had it in running water with antibacterial soap. Also, the cut

wasn't that deep. I went thru the skin layers then stopped, although there

was quite a bit of blood. I refused the tetanus vax at the ER, thinking I

would run it by all of you and IF I really needed it I could call my PCP?

They cleaned it at the ER and wrapped it up. She used phiso-hex to clean

it with then flooded it with water. She got it bleeding again pretty good.

Tomorrow I can unwrap it to apply antibacterial cream like Neosporin. But

they want me to wait to apply it to give the steri-strips a good chance to

stick.

Oh, when I told her I was refusing the tetanus, the first thing she

threw at me was " well you know you can die from that? " Does anyone know

what the actual figures are on deaths from tetanus?

Thanks for any info.

Dina

Woodbridge, Va.

[Guest guest]

Dina, tetanus is only found in horse manure, to some extent human feces, and

soil that has been contaminated by compost/horse manure. It festers in a deep

puncture wound that air cannot get to. It is EXTREMELY unlikely that you will

get tetanus from that. This ER doc needs to get some more education, she is

obviously lacking.

Sherri

Dina Mason wrote:

> O.k. Ladies, I need your advice.

> Last night I was cleaning fish when I cut my right index finger. It looked

> pretty bad at first, so it was off to the ER. After waiting 8 hours, I had

> pretty much decided that it wasn't that bad, and I would have them clean it

> and go from there. It prolly could have used 2 TINY stitches, but even

> the nurse agreed that it really wasn't as bad as it looked. And it was a

> toss up between the stitches and steri-strips. O.K. So here is my

> question. The cut happened with a brand new filet knife, and IMMEDIATELY

> after I had it in running water with antibacterial soap. Also, the cut

> wasn't that deep. I went thru the skin layers then stopped, although there

> was quite a bit of blood. I refused the tetanus vax at the ER, thinking I

> would run it by all of you and IF I really needed it I could call my PCP?

> They cleaned it at the ER and wrapped it up. She used phiso-hex to clean

> it with then flooded it with water. She got it bleeding again pretty good.

> Tomorrow I can unwrap it to apply antibacterial cream like Neosporin. But

> they want me to wait to apply it to give the steri-strips a good chance to

> stick.

> Oh, when I told her I was refusing the tetanus, the first thing she

> threw at me was " well you know you can die from that? " Does anyone know

> what the actual figures are on deaths from tetanus?

> Thanks for any info.

> Dina

> Woodbridge, Va.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Stop the antibacterial soap and the Neosporin... You do not need an

antibiotic... And the antibacterial soap is killing all of your good

bacteria that fights the Staph and the Strep bacteria that grown naturally

on your skin.

Get a tincture of ST. 's Wort.. Place a few drops of it on the wound as

an antiseptic everytime that you change the bandage...Place a bit of the gel

from a live aloe vera plant on the area or some Calendula cream. Use one of

those new plastic strips by BandAid or CurAid that has no gauge pad on it,

as does all of the other older bandaids. This new spongy type of plastic

is fantastic. It is great for cutting into " butterflies " to avoid stitiches

also...

You do not need a Tetanus Shot... Don't go there.... Do what I have

stated above with all your wounds and you will avoid the hassle and the

bills and the time that you spend in the waiting area of the ER seeking

care... Care for yourself and stop using these facilities... The

mentality of going to the " infirmary " was started by the military due to the

large amount of men that had been inducted into the Armed Services in the

WWI, WWII and the Korean and Vietnam Conflicts... Don't fall into that

same mold...

Do I need the tetanus shot?

> O.k. Ladies, I need your advice.

> Last night I was cleaning fish when I cut my right index finger. It

looked

> pretty bad at first, so it was off to the ER. After waiting 8 hours, I

had

> pretty much decided that it wasn't that bad, and I would have them clean

it

> and go from there. It prolly could have used 2 TINY stitches, but even

> the nurse agreed that it really wasn't as bad as it looked. And it was a

> toss up between the stitches and steri-strips. O.K. So here is my

> question. The cut happened with a brand new filet knife, and IMMEDIATELY

> after I had it in running water with antibacterial soap. Also, the cut

> wasn't that deep. I went thru the skin layers then stopped, although

there

> was quite a bit of blood. I refused the tetanus vax at the ER, thinking I

> would run it by all of you and IF I really needed it I could call my PCP?

> They cleaned it at the ER and wrapped it up. She used phiso-hex to clean

> it with then flooded it with water. She got it bleeding again pretty

good.

> Tomorrow I can unwrap it to apply antibacterial cream like Neosporin. But

> they want me to wait to apply it to give the steri-strips a good chance to

> stick.

> Oh, when I told her I was refusing the tetanus, the first thing she

> threw at me was " well you know you can die from that? " Does anyone know

> what the actual figures are on deaths from tetanus?

> Thanks for any info.

> Dina

> Woodbridge, Va.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tetanus festers where it cannot get air because air kills it. It is an

anaerobic toxoid - must be in an airfree environment to survive. Aso,

chances are, even if you were exposed to tetanus (not that you could have

been in this situation), the bleeding probably would have washed it out.

Here is some of what the textbook " Vaccines " , edited by Stanley Plotkin and

Walter Orenstein (who is the CDC's director of the National Immunization

Program) says:

" Death-to-case ratios for reported cases of generalized tetanus vary from

about 25 to 70% overall, with the risk of fatality in the past approaching

100% at the extremems of age. With good intensive care, mortality can be

reduced to 10-20%. In the United States during 1972 to 1994, overall

reported death-to-cases ratios have declined approximately 50% to 11%

overall, but nonetheless are influenced by age and immunization status. "

(If you include unreported cases, the death rate might be lower - Sandy)

(According to the figure on page 443, from 1991 to 1994 there were no deaths

among anyone under 30 (among around 30 reported cases), around 3/22 in the

the30-39 years old group, and around 1/15 in the 40-49 age group. In the

80+ age group the death rate was looks to be about 50%, the highest of all.)

" If not exposed to sunlight, the spores may persist in soil for months to

years. " (Does sunlight kill it? - Sandy)

" The most common source of environmental exposure... is the soil........Soil

is not the only reservoir of the organism. Animals, both herbivores and

omnivores, can carry C. tetani bacilli and spores in their intestines and

readily disseminate the organism in their feces......Clostridium tetani

spores have also been detected in street dust and the dust and air of

surgical operating theaters. " (Great, what are they doing there?)

" Wounds accompanied by tissue injury and necrosis (with or without the

presence of aerobic organisms) leading to anaerobic or hypoaerobic

conditions are generally necessary for the spores to germinate and bacilli

to replicated. Ionic calcium appears to increase local necrosis and

increase the likelihood of C. tetani infection, and it may be a factor in

soil contamination that particularly enhances germination. "

Sandy from Alaska

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Re: Do I need the tetanus shot?

Dina, tetanus is only found in horse manure, to some extent human feces, and

soil that has been contaminated by compost/horse manure. It festers in a

deep

puncture wound that air cannot get to. It is EXTREMELY unlikely that you

will

get tetanus from that. This ER doc needs to get some more education, she is

obviously lacking.

Sherri

Dina Mason wrote:

> O.k. Ladies, I need your advice.

> Last night I was cleaning fish when I cut my right index finger. It

looked

> pretty bad at first, so it was off to the ER. After waiting 8 hours, I

had

> pretty much decided that it wasn't that bad, and I would have them clean

it

> and go from there. It prolly could have used 2 TINY stitches, but even

> the nurse agreed that it really wasn't as bad as it looked. And it was a

> toss up between the stitches and steri-strips. O.K. So here is my

> question. The cut happened with a brand new filet knife, and IMMEDIATELY

> after I had it in running water with antibacterial soap. Also, the cut

> wasn't that deep. I went thru the skin layers then stopped, although

there

> was quite a bit of blood. I refused the tetanus vax at the ER, thinking I

> would run it by all of you and IF I really needed it I could call my PCP?

> They cleaned it at the ER and wrapped it up. She used phiso-hex to clean

> it with then flooded it with water. She got it bleeding again pretty

good.

> Tomorrow I can unwrap it to apply antibacterial cream like Neosporin. But

> they want me to wait to apply it to give the steri-strips a good chance to

> stick.

> Oh, when I told her I was refusing the tetanus, the first thing she

> threw at me was " well you know you can die from that? " Does anyone know

> what the actual figures are on deaths from tetanus?

> Thanks for any info.

> Dina

> Woodbridge, Va.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

FNP Told me this last weekend when fell on a tire weight and cut her

hand and I refused a Tet shot. When asked I just said, " We don't vax.' But

this is a small town with lots of people that are Plain, Amish and Mennonite

and they know I rub elbows with them lots.

Ellen

ladylumbee@...

I do not suffer from my insanity***I ENJOY every second of it.

hehe haha hoho

Re: Do I need the tetanus shot?

> And besides, I believe part of what we have learned here is that when the

> wound bleeds, the blood cleanses the wound and it also tells you that

tetanus

> won't survive in the wound because oxygen is present.