homeopathy 'debunked' on TV

[Guest guest]

tte, thank you for sharing that. I believe I will look a classical

homeopath up so I can get a constitutional remedy. I know I could use some

extra energy.

[Guest guest]

I know this is preaching to the choir, but please indulge me --

--homeopathy cured my cat of a mysterious, wasting illness that looked to be

fatal

--cured me of a five-year case of ringworm picked up in SE Asia (no MD had

been able to do so)

--made my baby's croup disappear in about 3 minutes

--through constitutional treatment, has dramatically improved my energy

level, made knee and back pain disappear, and put an end to mild depression

on more than one occasion.

As for the " placebo effect " -- in addition to my experiences with cats and

babies, I have most definitely noticed that if you take the wrong remedy,

nothing happens. If I am such a gullible fool, then why did the first two

remedies my doctor prescribed have precisely no effect? Then, with the

third remedy, profound changes began to occur. I have had this experience

many times when treating myself and my family.

I've tried other types of alternative therapy, and have never had such

incredible success as with homeopathy. I believe herbal medicine can be

effective, but it can be hard to find quality herbs and it can take a long

time to take effect. I'm pretty skeptical, and I've found that this is one

healing system that truly heals.

I recommend homeopathy to people constantly, and they smile and nod at me as

if I am a well-meaning nut. It is frustrating -- if only more people had

access, a world of misery could be alleviated...

tte

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[Guest guest]

georgic@... wrote:

<huge snip>

> I would not

> have become a homeopathy had it not cured my son of autism....

<little snip>

Phyllis,

Some time back, before you were on this list, Sheri posted the testimony

of a woman whose son had autism, improved with the elimination of dairy,

though that was his main craving (maybe wheat too, I don't remember as it

was some time ago), and was cured with M doses of carcinocum (I think that's

what it was called. It was a remedy based on cancerous breast tissue.) The

woman then went on to study homeopathy herself. I think she was from

California.

So my question is...is that woman you?

~Cheryl, who thinks it's very cool to contect people with their stories!

[Guest guest]

Since pharmaceutical drugs also have a proven placebo effect of 70%,

I would have thought that any increase on that without toxic side-

effects - or even the same would be cause for celebration. Obviously

not.

> Homeopathy is " alchemy " and not the separation of the chemical

components

> thus only dealing with " chemistry " ..... I do see TV signals but

the TV

> programs come through the airwaves even when I do not have the

cable hooked

> up.. The radio waves come through when I tune in one station or

> another.... Sometimes I can even switch from " AM " to " FM " and be

on the

> same spot on the tuning dial... I don't know how this works.....

No one

> can really make me understand that the radio waves are always

there....

> Only when I " tune " them in does it bring me the transmission of one

station

> or the other...... This is how a homeopathic remedy works.....

There is

> not substances.... only energy.... such as TV and radio

waves...... The

> oxygen is in the atmosphere around me.... I cannot see

the " air " ...yet I

> know that it is there and that I breath it in and out..... There

are many,

> many things that are not seen by the " naked eye " that exist and

that we

> believe are " out there " ... This is the same with a homeopathic

remedy.....

> When I give a remedy to a wounded wild animal that is near

death...not

> caring whether I pick it up or throw it into the woods or break its

neck....

> I give the correct remedy to the injured animal.... They have not

belief

> and no understanding of what I am giving them..... They do not

realize

> that I am attempting to aid them..... The animal or bird responds

in a

> matter of minutes.... improving over several hours... is totally

well the

> next day and off into the woods or flying through the air when I

release

> them again.... This is not placebo..... Placebo is only

the " power of

> suggestion " .... The animal is not my pet... There is not " power

of

> suggestion " here.... They cannot understand a word or a gesture

that " I "

> do....

>

> When a patient is taking a remedy and it is working but the bottle

of the

> remedy.....that is distilled water....needs to be " refilled " with

more

> distilled water and that patient is not careful and allows the

small bit of

> the " distilled water " that was potenized as the remedy to overflow

as they

> are refilling the bottle... Thinking nothing of it....until......

low and

> behold....the remedy no longer works............ If I just

refilled the

> bottle or give them a bottle of JUST DISTILLED WATER without

placing another

> pellet of the next potency higher of that remedy into the bottle,

they know

> it immediately.... The bottle of water does not work as did the

bottle of

> the water with the pellet of the remedy in it.... I have seen

this happen

> over and over again...

>

> I may be a good homeopathy...but I am not a Good LIAR..... I do

not have

> patients... I have not cured humans and animals just because.... " I

wanted

> to " or " just because I think I am this GREAT HEALER " .... If I

did not

> know the correct homeopathic remedy or if I did not have a

potenized remedy

> placed into the " distilled water " in the bottle THEY WOULD NOT

RESPOND TO

> THE WATER in a DROPPER BOTTLE just because I told them they they

would.....

> I have very skeptical patients..... I am not that

charismatic.... People

> don't pay me for my services because they feel " sorry for me " ....

Or wish

> to " please me " ..... They pay me because I choose the correct

remedy to

> heal them or their child or their dog or cat or horse...... I

would not

> have become a homeopathy had it not cured my son of autism.... I

would

> not have accepted homeopathy had I not seen it work before I

learned how it

> was made.... I am as SKEPTICAL as they come....

> OT: homeopathy 'debunked' on TV

>

>

> > Sorry for typos, baby on lap....I was watching the discovery

science

> channel tonight with dh and a program came on stating how

homeopathy is this

> great placebo effect and how its biggest ingredient is belief. At

the end

> of the segment it stated it was a presentation of I think " the

skeptical

> inquirer magazine " or something similar.

> >

> > I told dh that no one can explain why it works better than a

placebo, and

> he replied that I only listen to what I wanted to hear. He's

unconvinced,

> since he heard the show's premise that homeopathy relies on the

remedy

> leaving a 'memory' in the water it is diluted with, and that it is

diluted

> beyond the limits of dilution, and that the water has evaporated be

the time

> a person takes the remedy, hence there is nothing left.

> >

> > Given all this, I checked around the magazine's web site and saw

no

> mention of any ties to the discovery channel. I did also note that

the

> fellow who runs quackwatch is a member of the organization that

makes the

> magazine and also maintains/contributes quite a few sites linked to

the

> magazine site, all devoted to debunking alternative medicine. Hence

I'm very

> skeptical of anything originating from them regarding alternative

> healthcare.

> >

> > What does one say in these cases? I have seen homeopathy work.

But when

> faced with the 'chemistry' argument, I don't know what to say.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Cheryl,

This is " NOT ME " ... I did not change my child's diet... His father felt

that any changes to the diet were " stupid...costly.... ridiculous......

If he wants to eat ice cream or cake or milk...just give it to him...

Everyone need MILK to grow! " , was he statement.... I have used

Carcinosinum for other children who are autistic that are in my practice....

I never needed it for my son.... BTW it was " LM " potencies of Carcinosinum

that were used for this little boy, ...I believe was his name... I

also found this story on the internet about 4 to 5 years ago when I first

purchased my computer... My oldest son was looking for homeopathic links

for me... He asked me for remedy names and the one that I had written down

was " Carcinosinum " ....

Thanks for asking,

Phyllis

Re: homeopathy 'debunked' on TV

> georgic@... wrote:

> <huge snip>

> > I would not

> > have become a homeopathy had it not cured my son of autism....

> <little snip>

>

> Phyllis,

> Some time back, before you were on this list, Sheri posted the

testimony

> of a woman whose son had autism, improved with the elimination of dairy,

> though that was his main craving (maybe wheat too, I don't remember as it

> was some time ago), and was cured with M doses of carcinocum (I think

that's

> what it was called. It was a remedy based on cancerous breast tissue.)

The

> woman then went on to study homeopathy herself. I think she was from

> California.

> So my question is...is that woman you?

> ~Cheryl, who thinks it's very cool to contect people with their stories!

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