Re: OT: Breastfeeding - yeast

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Check the archives the past week. I believe that's when there was a

discussion on alternative treatments and of course, consult a homeopath...

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and spit up a lot among other things. try eliminating these products from

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So I have been using my sisters methods for over a month now. While

it seems to control the yeast, it has not eliminated the yeast. I

really do not want to use the Monistat 7 or even the gentian violet.

Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how to eliminate the

yeast?

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--- Peggy Burley <burley4@...> wrote:

> I need some suggestions and advice from all of you.

> I breastfed my

> first two daughters with no yeast problems. Now

> with my third

> daughter who is just over four months, I am having

> problems with

> yeast.

>

> I asked my midwife about thrush and she prescribed

> diflucan and told

> me to put antifungal cream on my nipples several

> times a day. Not

> liking that solution, I consulted an LC. She told

> me to paint my

> daughter's mouth with gentian violet once a day for

> three days and to

> put Monistat 7 cream on my breast three times a day

> for seven days.

> Not liking this solution either, I consulted my

> sister who is a lay

> midwife. She wanted me to start out with the very

> basic of solutions

> which included vinegar washes, acidophilus and

> painting my daughters

> mouth with baking soda.

>

> So I have been using my sisters methods for over a

> month now. While

> it seems to control the yeast, it has not eliminated

> the yeast. I

> really do not want to use the Monistat 7 or even the

> gentian violet.

> Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how to

> eliminate the

> yeast?

My 9 month old son and I have been dealing with this,

off and on, for the entire time. We have now been

symptomatic 5 times. We went the Nystatin route...3x

(amazing...even tho Nystatin IS antifungal, it is

loaded with sugars, to make it more palatable for

children. Yeast thrives on sugar!!!); the Diflucan

route...2x...the Diflucan cleared the symptoms, but

didn't 'cure' us. (BTW, we had 2 rounds of Nystatin,

suspension for ds, and creme for me, and 1 round of

Diflucan, the first time we had it, and a round of

Nystatin, and a round of Diflucan, the second time we

had it.) I finally got upset with paying good money,

for what doesn't work. I tried the gentian

violet...N~A~S~T~Y, messy stuff. I tried the baking

soda wash...have to be careful with it, as it can

cause mineral imbalances...also have to make a new

wash solution daily, to prevent spread of yeast, and

reinfection. I have finally found some wonderful

herbal remedies, that seem to have worked so far. I

use Nature's Sunshine Bifidous Flora Force, 12

capsules a day, to reintroduce good bacteria into my

gut. I also wet my nipple with b/m, open a capsule,

sprinkle it on my nipple, and have ds nurse, 2x

weekly. We also use Nature's Sunshine VS-C, which is

a viral immune booster, which has antifungal

ingredients. I use the liquid, so I can apply it to

my nipples, when neccessary, as it is also useful,

topically. We also take quite a bit of powdered

vitamin C, too. I do the same with the Vit.C, as I do

with the Flora Force, putting it on my nipples.

Additionally, garlic KILLS yeast! I know you can

purchase garlic that has chlorophyll, so you don't

stink, but it's not cheap. However, you get what you

pay for!! Another topical thing I do, is the

vinegar...however, I use 5% distilled vinegar,

non-diluted. Stings a bit, but works quickly, if

you're having nipple pain from the thrush. Something

that is VERY important, is that if you and baby have

thrush/yeast, dh, and other family members, also need

to be 'treated' too. You can pretty much bet that if

one of you have it, all in the family have it. once

symptoms are gone, you must keep treating for 2 weeks

after.

>

> BTW, I don't think that the yeast is in my milk

> ducts, but how can I

> tell?

I have a friend who had to have some ducts removed,

due to yeast infection of the ducts...she said what

was a first clue for her, was she had a discharge,

from her nipples. Since her dd had basically weaned,

she really didn't give it much thought, until she was

severely sore 5 years later, and started having a

brown discharge. That was how SHE found out. Now, I

am not CERTAIN, but I DO believe they can check for

yeast in the ducts, with an ultrasound of the breast.

Also, can the yeast cause my daughter to have

> a lot of gas

> while nursing and spit up a lot?

ABSOLUTELY!! The gas comes from the yeast

fermentation, and likely so, the spit up, from an

upset tummy, that is common with it too.

HTH!!!

~Donna

>

> Thank you all in advance for any help you can offer.

>

> Peggy

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Consider looking at eliminating sugar from your diet

for a while. The candida diet is great for persistent

thrush, check out " The Yeast Connection and the Woman "

for probably the best info about candida yeast and how

it affects our systems. It's the same yeast that

causes the thrush.

a

--- Peggy Burley <burley4@...> wrote:

> I need some suggestions and advice from all of you.

> I breastfed my

> first two daughters with no yeast problems. Now

> with my third

> daughter who is just over four months, I am having

> problems with

> yeast.

>

> I asked my midwife about thrush and she prescribed

> diflucan and told

> me to put antifungal cream on my nipples several

> times a day. Not

> liking that solution, I consulted an LC. She told

> me to paint my

> daughter's mouth with gentian violet once a day for

> three days and to

> put Monistat 7 cream on my breast three times a day

> for seven days.

> Not liking this solution either, I consulted my

> sister who is a lay

> midwife. She wanted me to start out with the very

> basic of solutions

> which included vinegar washes, acidophilus and

> painting my daughters

> mouth with baking soda.

>

> So I have been using my sisters methods for over a

> month now. While

> it seems to control the yeast, it has not eliminated

> the yeast. I

> really do not want to use the Monistat 7 or even the

> gentian violet.

> Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how to

> eliminate the

> yeast?

>

> BTW, I don't think that the yeast is in my milk

> ducts, but how can I

> tell? Also, can the yeast cause my daughter to have

> a lot of gas

> while nursing and spit up a lot?

>

> Thank you all in advance for any help you can offer.

>

> Peggy

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi

I am a doula, and one of my clients had the same situation. She tried

everything with no success, but the one thing that did work was pure oregano

oil rubbed on the baby's feet. Harriet smelled like a pizza, but her yeast

went away! The yeast had been chronic and stubborn. She had been

dealing with the problem for months.

Hope this helps,

Conrad

[Guest guest]

Eliminating sugar is helpful as well. Yeast feeds on dairy and sugar.

[Guest guest]

> Not liking this solution either, I consulted my sister who is a lay

> midwife. She wanted me to start out with the very basic of solutions

> which included vinegar washes, acidophilus and painting my daughters

> mouth with baking soda.

Did you know you also have to get rid of yeast in diapers (cloth), cloth

nursing pads, clothes, pacifiers, bottle nipples etc.?

I add vinegar to the rinse cycle of a wash for the cloth things, and

wash in hot.

I have been told to boil nipples and paci's and stuff like that in a

vinegar solution (which is 1 Tbsp vin. & 1 cup water I think), and put

the same solution in a spray bottle and spray all plastic toys (and then

wipe them down). Also, wash the soft toys (teddy bears etc.) that she

might have chewed on.

I was told that the baking soda is no longer considered a good idea

because of the high sodium content, which can be hard on the baby's

kidneys. Because of this, I opted to do the gentian violet route, which

I was told is 3 days MINIMUM, 7 days MAXIMUM, but you have to keep going

a MINIMUM of 24 hours after the last symptoms disappear. For us this

was 4 days.

However, the best thing to do is to avoid sugar and white flour (I

absolutely craved doughnuts for a while when yeasty!) and to up the raw

fruit and veggies (esp. veggies) as well as take some acidophilous (the

live variety, that has to be kept refrigerated).

I don't know how old your DD is, but mine is 14 months, and we went

through the yeast around 13 months, so she was able to (under

supervision) suck on a child's variety of acidophilous pill (cherry

flavour). I took 3 of the adult ones (which have something like 19

billion cells per...gram?) 3 times per day. I gather you can't take too

much of it, what you don't use gets excreted is all. I think you can

get a powdered variety which could be added to expressed milk for a

younger baby, if you have any way of getting them to take it (i.e. in a

bottle while Mom is out, etc.).

The reality of the situation is that we LIVE with yeast all the

time...we need it in order to survive, but we don't need so much of it

as we have when we " get yeast " which in reality is a yeast OVERGROWTH.

So we need to lower the amount of it, but you can never kill it all off.

This is why Marie (IBCLC) does not think it is necessary to

chuck out all milk pumped during a yeast overgrowth. She says that once

you fix the root of the problem (eating less sugar, white flour and

alcohol also, more raw veggies, acidophilous etc.) the overgrowth that

is in the pumped milk (frozen) is no longer going to be able to " take

root " in your body anyhow. She does suggest using it mixed up with some

milk that doesn't have overgrowth is all...so maybe if you're leaving a

child with 12 oz. during the day at daycare, leave 4 oz that has yeast

overgrowh, and 8 that is from either before or after the yeast

overgrowth problems were solved.

HTH,

Fio.

[Guest guest]

I strongly encourage, of course, a homeopath instead of suppressing with drugs

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm

And of course the suggestions below

Was this baby vaccinated at birth with Hep b Vax?

Sheri

At 11:02 PM 05/13/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>

>Consider looking at eliminating sugar from your diet

>for a while. The candida diet is great for persistent

>thrush, check out " The Yeast Connection and the Woman "

>for probably the best info about candida yeast and how

>it affects our systems. It's the same yeast that

>causes the thrush.

>

>a

>

>

>--- Peggy Burley <burley4@...> wrote:

>> I need some suggestions and advice from all of you.

>> I breastfed my

>> first two daughters with no yeast problems. Now

>> with my third

>> daughter who is just over four months, I am having

>> problems with

>> yeast.

>>

>> I asked my midwife about thrush and she prescribed

>> diflucan and told

>> me to put antifungal cream on my nipples several

>> times a day. Not

>> liking that solution, I consulted an LC. She told

>> me to paint my

>> daughter's mouth with gentian violet once a day for

>> three days and to

>> put Monistat 7 cream on my breast three times a day

>> for seven days.

>> Not liking this solution either, I consulted my

>> sister who is a lay

>> midwife. She wanted me to start out with the very

>> basic of solutions

>> which included vinegar washes, acidophilus and

>> painting my daughters

>> mouth with baking soda.

>>

>> So I have been using my sisters methods for over a

>> month now. While

>> it seems to control the yeast, it has not eliminated

>> the yeast. I

>> really do not want to use the Monistat 7 or even the

>> gentian violet.

>> Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how to

>> eliminate the

>> yeast?

>>

>> BTW, I don't think that the yeast is in my milk

>> ducts, but how can I

>> tell? Also, can the yeast cause my daughter to have

>> a lot of gas

>> while nursing and spit up a lot?

>>

>> Thank you all in advance for any help you can offer.

>>

>> Peggy

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

No, none of my children have been vaccinated at all.

Peggy

Re: OT: Breastfeeding - yeast

I strongly encourage, of course, a homeopath instead of suppressing with drugs

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm

And of course the suggestions below

Was this baby vaccinated at birth with Hep b Vax?

Sheri

At 11:02 PM 05/13/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>

>Consider looking at eliminating sugar from your diet

>for a while. The candida diet is great for persistent

>thrush, check out " The Yeast Connection and the Woman "

>for probably the best info about candida yeast and how

>it affects our systems. It's the same yeast that

>causes the thrush.

>

>a

>

>

>--- Peggy Burley <burley4@...> wrote:

>> I need some suggestions and advice from all of you.

>> I breastfed my

>> first two daughters with no yeast problems. Now

>> with my third

>> daughter who is just over four months, I am having

>> problems with

>> yeast.

>>

>> I asked my midwife about thrush and she prescribed

>> diflucan and told

>> me to put antifungal cream on my nipples several

>> times a day. Not

>> liking that solution, I consulted an LC. She told

>> me to paint my

>> daughter's mouth with gentian violet once a day for

>> three days and to

>> put Monistat 7 cream on my breast three times a day

>> for seven days.

>> Not liking this solution either, I consulted my

>> sister who is a lay

>> midwife. She wanted me to start out with the very

>> basic of solutions

>> which included vinegar washes, acidophilus and

>> painting my daughters

>> mouth with baking soda.

>>

>> So I have been using my sisters methods for over a

>> month now. While

>> it seems to control the yeast, it has not eliminated

>> the yeast. I

>> really do not want to use the Monistat 7 or even the

>> gentian violet.

>> Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how to

>> eliminate the

>> yeast?

>>

>> BTW, I don't think that the yeast is in my milk

>> ducts, but how can I

>> tell? Also, can the yeast cause my daughter to have

>> a lot of gas

>> while nursing and spit up a lot?

>>

>> Thank you all in advance for any help you can offer.

>>

>> Peggy

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

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