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so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your

unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin? i know an aquaintance whose

children are not vaccinated and one son was bitten deeply in the face by a

dog. the son was taken to the emergency room and of course given imunoglobin

(forgive mispelling) and the tetanus shot. they said they didn't want to

keep the wound open because of scarring on the face. she just went along.

Sheri, in that circumstance what would you have done if you were the mom?

and then how would you have treated it otherwise ? and if it is a dog bite to

the leg or someplace on the face how do you keep it open and clean etc.? i

guess i am just trying to be prepared in case this ever happens to me. what

do i say to them? what do i do for my child to heal it? also they told the

mother that dog bites are so nasty dirty that no amount of cleaning was gonna

get all the bacteria etc out? is that true or scare tactics? lots of

questions here. thank you.

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I always thought that dog bites were not all that dangerous, unless of course

they had rabies. Cat bites can be a serious problem, but not re:tetanus. It

sounds like scare tactics to me. Besides, why would there be tetanus in a dog

bite?

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emergency room protocol

so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your

unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin? i know an aquaintance whose

children are not vaccinated and one son was bitten deeply in the face by a

dog. the son was taken to the emergency room and of course given imunoglobin

(forgive mispelling) and the tetanus shot. they said they didn't want to

keep the wound open because of scarring on the face. she just went along.

Sheri, in that circumstance what would you have done if you were the mom?

and then how would you have treated it otherwise ? and if it is a dog bite to

the leg or someplace on the face how do you keep it open and clean etc.? i

guess i am just trying to be prepared in case this ever happens to me. what

do i say to them? what do i do for my child to heal it? also they told the

mother that dog bites are so nasty dirty that no amount of cleaning was gonna

get all the bacteria etc out? is that true or scare tactics? lots of

questions here. thank you.

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I put on all the permission slips, where it asks for allergies, that my

child is allergic to tetanus! Mu husband does not believe in this vax

either. He's never seen tetanus and has seen one reaction to the

vaccine(not severe). When I told him he hadn't seen any cases that it was

because of the vaccine, he sneered at me!

I am not a medical doctor,

nor do I portray one on t.v.!

(But my husband,Mike,is!!!)

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so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your

unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin?

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What a good idea! Thank you!

Re: emergency room protocol

I put on all the permission slips, where it asks for allergies, that my

child is allergic to tetanus!

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At 10:30 AM 04/25/2001 EDT, you wrote:

>so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your

>unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin? i know an aquaintance whose

>children are not vaccinated and one son was bitten deeply in the face by a

>dog. the son was taken to the emergency room and of course given

imunoglobin

>(forgive mispelling) and the tetanus shot. they said they didn't want to

>keep the wound open because of scarring on the face. she just went along.

>Sheri, in that circumstance what would you have done if you were the mom?

You just say NO! Pure and simple, but everyone is so intimidated by

doctors they do whatever they want. A dog bite is not a risk for tetanus,

good GOD! I never saw such a thing when I was a pediatric nurse. Never

would have given it for a dog bite.

YOU JUST SAY NO! you are the parent and it is your child.

>and then how would you have treated it otherwise ?

Clean it out with soap and water, hydrogen peroxide, give Ledum

homeopathically maybe. It is not a big deal. It is a dog bite not ebola.

and if it is a dog bite to

>the leg or someplace on the face how do you keep it open and clean etc.?

I don't know why this would be a problem.

i

>guess i am just trying to be prepared in case this ever happens to me. what

>do i say to them? what do i do for my child to heal it?

Your child's body heals it - you don't have to do anything.

also they told the

>mother that dog bites are so nasty dirty that no amount of cleaning was

gonna

>get all the bacteria etc out? is that true or scare tactics? lots of

>questions here. thank you.

Oh, good grief - nasty and dirty doesn't = tetanus. I'm sorry, this is

just ludicrous. We have an immune system and everyone has been so

programmed to fear germs and don't even realize we can survived without

intervention from the medical industry.

You just say NO

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Amen sister and brother! That makes 3 of us (and a few more)

Sheri

At 02:11 PM 04/25/2001 -0400, you wrote:

>I put on all the permission slips, where it asks for allergies, that my

>child is allergic to tetanus! Mu husband does not believe in this vax

>either. He's never seen tetanus and has seen one reaction to the

>vaccine(not severe). When I told him he hadn't seen any cases that it was

>because of the vaccine, he sneered at me!

>I am not a medical doctor,

>nor do I portray one on t.v.!

>(But my husband,Mike,is!!!)

>

>Laurie>Bucyrus,Ohio

>mother to (13),Donovan(8),

>Buck(4),Luke(3), and (1)

>2 csecs,3 VBACs(1 partial waterbirth,

>1 complete waterbirth)

>

>Please visit us at our website

>http://www.goldenprideweb.com/drmikeandlaurie

>for information on nutritional supplements,

>including the original oral chelator, skin care,

>weight loss(The Florida Diet),Herbs for Health,

>and home products

>

>so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your

>unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 4/25/01 6:00:29 PM GTB Daylight Time, sandym@...

writes:

<<

I always thought that dog bites were not all that dangerous, unless of

course they had rabies. Cat bites can be a serious problem, but not

re:tetanus. It sounds like scare tactics to me. Besides, why would there be

tetanus in a dog bite?

>>

I am behind on my mail so forgive me if this has been answered.The emedicine

site I posted a while ago give a very good indication of what types of

testing/procedures you can expect in the ER. <A

HREF= " http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic60.htm " >Click here: Bites, Animal

from Emergency Medicine / Environmental</A>

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic60.htm

Major concern in all bite wounds is subsequent infection. These infections

can be caused by nearly any group of pathogens (bacteria, virus, rickettsia,

spirochetes, fungi). Common bacteria involved in bite wound infections

include the following:

Dog bites

Staphylococcus

Streptococcus

Eikenella

Pasteurella

Proteus

Klebsiella

Haemophilus

Enterobacter

DF-2 or Capnocytophaga canimorsus

Bacteroides

Cat bites

Pasteurella

Actinomyces

Propionibacterium

Bacteroides

Fusobacterium

Clostridium

Wolinella

Peptostreptococcus

Staphylococcus

Streptococcus

Nearly all infections are mixed infections. Additionally, ED physicians

always should consider the need for tetanus and rabies

prophylaxis.Mortality/Morbidity: Dog attacks kill approximately 10-20 people

each year in the US. Most of these fatalities, unfortunately, are young

children. Rabies, of course, is a generally fatal complication. While local

infection and cellulitis are the leading causes of morbidity, sepsis is a

potential complication of bite wounds, particularly Capnoctyophaga canimorsus

(DF-2) sepsis in immunocompromised individuals. Pasteurella multocida

infection also may be complicated by sepsis. Meningitis, osteomyelitis, and

septic arthritis are additional concerns in bite wounds.

Under treatment they list:

Consider tetanus and rabies prophylaxis for all wounds.

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In a message dated 4/26/01 6:21:44 PM GTB Daylight Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

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They don't list tetanus as a risk but recommend the vaccine. Typical logic

for the medical industrial complex

>>

Exactly.All wounds=tetanus shot.

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>Major concern in all bite wounds is subsequent infection. These infections

>can be caused by nearly any group of pathogens (bacteria, virus, rickettsia,

>spirochetes, fungi). Common bacteria involved in bite wound infections

>include the following:

>

>Dog bites

>Staphylococcus

>Streptococcus

>Eikenella

>Pasteurella

>Proteus

>Klebsiella

>Haemophilus

>Enterobacter

>DF-2 or Capnocytophaga canimorsus

>Bacteroides

>

>Cat bites

>Pasteurella

>Actinomyces

>Propionibacterium

>Bacteroides

>Fusobacterium

>Clostridium

>Wolinella

>Peptostreptococcus

>Staphylococcus

>Streptococcus

>Nearly all infections are mixed infections. Additionally, ED physicians

>always should consider the need for tetanus and rabies

>prophylaxis.Mortality/Morbidity: Dog attacks kill approximately 10-20 people

>each year in the US. Most of these fatalities, unfortunately, are young

>children. Rabies, of course, is a generally fatal complication. While local

>infection and cellulitis are the leading causes of morbidity, sepsis is a

>potential complication of bite wounds, particularly Capnoctyophaga

canimorsus

>(DF-2) sepsis in immunocompromised individuals. Pasteurella multocida

>infection also may be complicated by sepsis. Meningitis, osteomyelitis, and

>septic arthritis are additional concerns in bite wounds.

>

>Under treatment they list:

>Consider tetanus and rabies prophylaxis for all wounds.

They don't list tetanus as a risk but recommend the vaccine. Typical logic

for the medical industrial complex

--------------------------------------------------------

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530-478-1242 Voicemail in US

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What is your husband's specialty, Laurie?

Would love to get him together with my hubby.

My hubby isn't all pro-vax either.

a.

> Amen sister and brother! That makes 3 of us (and a few more)

> Sheri

>

> At 02:11 PM 04/25/2001 -0400, you wrote:

> >I put on all the permission slips, where it asks for allergies, that my

> >child is allergic to tetanus! Mu husband does not believe in this vax

> >either. He's never seen tetanus and has seen one reaction to the

> >vaccine(not severe). When I told him he hadn't seen any cases that it

was

> >because of the vaccine, he sneered at me!

> >I am not a medical doctor,

> >nor do I portray one on t.v.!

> >(But my husband,Mike,is!!!)

> >

> >Laurie>Bucyrus,Ohio

> >mother to (13),Donovan(8),

> >Buck(4),Luke(3), and (1)

> >2 csecs,3 VBACs(1 partial waterbirth,

> >1 complete waterbirth)

> >

> >Please visit us at our website

> >http://www.goldenprideweb.com/drmikeandlaurie

> >for information on nutritional supplements,

> >including the original oral chelator, skin care,

> >weight loss(The Florida Diet),Herbs for Health,

> >and home products

> >

> >so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your

> >unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi a! He's a Family Doc so vaxxes in office are not done(thank

goodness). Somehow, when he took a Nutrition class(not required,by the

way)(at least,not then)(which doesn't make sense....health and nutrition go

hand- in -hand)(and meds and nutition should be studied also) (and I'm

getting off-track)he realized the invalidity of vaxxes.

I am not a medical doctor,

nor do I portray one on t.v.

(but my husband,Mike,is!)

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What is your husband's specialty, Laurie?

Would love to get him together with my hubby.

My hubby isn't all pro-vax either.

a.

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