Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin? i know an aquaintance whose children are not vaccinated and one son was bitten deeply in the face by a dog. the son was taken to the emergency room and of course given imunoglobin (forgive mispelling) and the tetanus shot. they said they didn't want to keep the wound open because of scarring on the face. she just went along. Sheri, in that circumstance what would you have done if you were the mom? and then how would you have treated it otherwise ? and if it is a dog bite to the leg or someplace on the face how do you keep it open and clean etc.? i guess i am just trying to be prepared in case this ever happens to me. what do i say to them? what do i do for my child to heal it? also they told the mother that dog bites are so nasty dirty that no amount of cleaning was gonna get all the bacteria etc out? is that true or scare tactics? lots of questions here. thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 AMEN Sheri !!!! >You just say NO!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 I always thought that dog bites were not all that dangerous, unless of course they had rabies. Cat bites can be a serious problem, but not re:tetanus. It sounds like scare tactics to me. Besides, why would there be tetanus in a dog bite? Sandy from Alaska ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. emergency room protocol so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin? i know an aquaintance whose children are not vaccinated and one son was bitten deeply in the face by a dog. the son was taken to the emergency room and of course given imunoglobin (forgive mispelling) and the tetanus shot. they said they didn't want to keep the wound open because of scarring on the face. she just went along. Sheri, in that circumstance what would you have done if you were the mom? and then how would you have treated it otherwise ? and if it is a dog bite to the leg or someplace on the face how do you keep it open and clean etc.? i guess i am just trying to be prepared in case this ever happens to me. what do i say to them? what do i do for my child to heal it? also they told the mother that dog bites are so nasty dirty that no amount of cleaning was gonna get all the bacteria etc out? is that true or scare tactics? lots of questions here. thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 I put on all the permission slips, where it asks for allergies, that my child is allergic to tetanus! Mu husband does not believe in this vax either. He's never seen tetanus and has seen one reaction to the vaccine(not severe). When I told him he hadn't seen any cases that it was because of the vaccine, he sneered at me! I am not a medical doctor, nor do I portray one on t.v.! (But my husband,Mike,is!!!) Laurie>Bucyrus,Ohio mother to (13),Donovan(8), Buck(4),Luke(3), and (1) 2 csecs,3 VBACs(1 partial waterbirth, 1 complete waterbirth) Please visit us at our website http://www.goldenprideweb.com/drmikeandlaurie for information on nutritional supplements, including the original oral chelator, skin care, weight loss(The Florida Diet),Herbs for Health, and home products so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 What a good idea! Thank you! Re: emergency room protocol I put on all the permission slips, where it asks for allergies, that my child is allergic to tetanus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 At 10:30 AM 04/25/2001 EDT, you wrote: >so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your >unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin? i know an aquaintance whose >children are not vaccinated and one son was bitten deeply in the face by a >dog. the son was taken to the emergency room and of course given imunoglobin >(forgive mispelling) and the tetanus shot. they said they didn't want to >keep the wound open because of scarring on the face. she just went along. >Sheri, in that circumstance what would you have done if you were the mom? You just say NO! Pure and simple, but everyone is so intimidated by doctors they do whatever they want. A dog bite is not a risk for tetanus, good GOD! I never saw such a thing when I was a pediatric nurse. Never would have given it for a dog bite. YOU JUST SAY NO! you are the parent and it is your child. >and then how would you have treated it otherwise ? Clean it out with soap and water, hydrogen peroxide, give Ledum homeopathically maybe. It is not a big deal. It is a dog bite not ebola. and if it is a dog bite to >the leg or someplace on the face how do you keep it open and clean etc.? I don't know why this would be a problem. i >guess i am just trying to be prepared in case this ever happens to me. what >do i say to them? what do i do for my child to heal it? Your child's body heals it - you don't have to do anything. also they told the >mother that dog bites are so nasty dirty that no amount of cleaning was gonna >get all the bacteria etc out? is that true or scare tactics? lots of >questions here. thank you. Oh, good grief - nasty and dirty doesn't = tetanus. I'm sorry, this is just ludicrous. We have an immune system and everyone has been so programmed to fear germs and don't even realize we can survived without intervention from the medical industry. You just say NO -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA moderator Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK 530-478-1242 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Amen sister and brother! That makes 3 of us (and a few more) Sheri At 02:11 PM 04/25/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I put on all the permission slips, where it asks for allergies, that my >child is allergic to tetanus! Mu husband does not believe in this vax >either. He's never seen tetanus and has seen one reaction to the >vaccine(not severe). When I told him he hadn't seen any cases that it was >because of the vaccine, he sneered at me! >I am not a medical doctor, >nor do I portray one on t.v.! >(But my husband,Mike,is!!!) > >Laurie>Bucyrus,Ohio >mother to (13),Donovan(8), >Buck(4),Luke(3), and (1) >2 csecs,3 VBACs(1 partial waterbirth, >1 complete waterbirth) > >Please visit us at our website >http://www.goldenprideweb.com/drmikeandlaurie >for information on nutritional supplements, >including the original oral chelator, skin care, >weight loss(The Florida Diet),Herbs for Health, >and home products > >so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your >unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 In a message dated 4/25/01 6:00:29 PM GTB Daylight Time, sandym@... writes: << I always thought that dog bites were not all that dangerous, unless of course they had rabies. Cat bites can be a serious problem, but not re:tetanus. It sounds like scare tactics to me. Besides, why would there be tetanus in a dog bite? >> I am behind on my mail so forgive me if this has been answered.The emedicine site I posted a while ago give a very good indication of what types of testing/procedures you can expect in the ER. <A HREF= " http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic60.htm " >Click here: Bites, Animal from Emergency Medicine / Environmental</A> http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic60.htm Major concern in all bite wounds is subsequent infection. These infections can be caused by nearly any group of pathogens (bacteria, virus, rickettsia, spirochetes, fungi). Common bacteria involved in bite wound infections include the following: Dog bites Staphylococcus Streptococcus Eikenella Pasteurella Proteus Klebsiella Haemophilus Enterobacter DF-2 or Capnocytophaga canimorsus Bacteroides Cat bites Pasteurella Actinomyces Propionibacterium Bacteroides Fusobacterium Clostridium Wolinella Peptostreptococcus Staphylococcus Streptococcus Nearly all infections are mixed infections. Additionally, ED physicians always should consider the need for tetanus and rabies prophylaxis.Mortality/Morbidity: Dog attacks kill approximately 10-20 people each year in the US. Most of these fatalities, unfortunately, are young children. Rabies, of course, is a generally fatal complication. While local infection and cellulitis are the leading causes of morbidity, sepsis is a potential complication of bite wounds, particularly Capnoctyophaga canimorsus (DF-2) sepsis in immunocompromised individuals. Pasteurella multocida infection also may be complicated by sepsis. Meningitis, osteomyelitis, and septic arthritis are additional concerns in bite wounds. Under treatment they list: Consider tetanus and rabies prophylaxis for all wounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 In a message dated 4/26/01 6:21:44 PM GTB Daylight Time, vaccineinfo@... writes: << They don't list tetanus as a risk but recommend the vaccine. Typical logic for the medical industrial complex >> Exactly.All wounds=tetanus shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 >Major concern in all bite wounds is subsequent infection. These infections >can be caused by nearly any group of pathogens (bacteria, virus, rickettsia, >spirochetes, fungi). Common bacteria involved in bite wound infections >include the following: > >Dog bites >Staphylococcus >Streptococcus >Eikenella >Pasteurella >Proteus >Klebsiella >Haemophilus >Enterobacter >DF-2 or Capnocytophaga canimorsus >Bacteroides > >Cat bites >Pasteurella >Actinomyces >Propionibacterium >Bacteroides >Fusobacterium >Clostridium >Wolinella >Peptostreptococcus >Staphylococcus >Streptococcus >Nearly all infections are mixed infections. Additionally, ED physicians >always should consider the need for tetanus and rabies >prophylaxis.Mortality/Morbidity: Dog attacks kill approximately 10-20 people >each year in the US. Most of these fatalities, unfortunately, are young >children. Rabies, of course, is a generally fatal complication. While local >infection and cellulitis are the leading causes of morbidity, sepsis is a >potential complication of bite wounds, particularly Capnoctyophaga canimorsus >(DF-2) sepsis in immunocompromised individuals. Pasteurella multocida >infection also may be complicated by sepsis. Meningitis, osteomyelitis, and >septic arthritis are additional concerns in bite wounds. > >Under treatment they list: >Consider tetanus and rabies prophylaxis for all wounds. They don't list tetanus as a risk but recommend the vaccine. Typical logic for the medical industrial complex -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA moderator Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK 530-478-1242 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 What is your husband's specialty, Laurie? Would love to get him together with my hubby. My hubby isn't all pro-vax either. a. > Amen sister and brother! That makes 3 of us (and a few more) > Sheri > > At 02:11 PM 04/25/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >I put on all the permission slips, where it asks for allergies, that my > >child is allergic to tetanus! Mu husband does not believe in this vax > >either. He's never seen tetanus and has seen one reaction to the > >vaccine(not severe). When I told him he hadn't seen any cases that it was > >because of the vaccine, he sneered at me! > >I am not a medical doctor, > >nor do I portray one on t.v.! > >(But my husband,Mike,is!!!) > > > >Laurie>Bucyrus,Ohio > >mother to (13),Donovan(8), > >Buck(4),Luke(3), and (1) > >2 csecs,3 VBACs(1 partial waterbirth, > >1 complete waterbirth) > > > >Please visit us at our website > >http://www.goldenprideweb.com/drmikeandlaurie > >for information on nutritional supplements, > >including the original oral chelator, skin care, > >weight loss(The Florida Diet),Herbs for Health, > >and home products > > > >so what do you do when you are in the hospital and they want to give your > >unvaccinated kid the tetanus imunoglobin? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Hi a! He's a Family Doc so vaxxes in office are not done(thank goodness). Somehow, when he took a Nutrition class(not required,by the way)(at least,not then)(which doesn't make sense....health and nutrition go hand- in -hand)(and meds and nutition should be studied also) (and I'm getting off-track)he realized the invalidity of vaxxes. I am not a medical doctor, nor do I portray one on t.v. (but my husband,Mike,is!) Please visit http://www.goldenprideweb.com/drmikeandlaurie for information on Formulas,Herbs, and Nutrients for Health;Water Filtration; Eternal Energy; Raleigh Flavorings and Extracts,Spices and Seasonings, Specialty Foods and Household Items; and Air Solution Ozone Generator. NEW!!! Bible Botanicals Discover or Rediscover how Tupperware can save you Time,Space,Taste, and Waste. Visit http://www.mytupperware.com/LaurieLand to see Tupperware's classic and newest innovative products. What is your husband's specialty, Laurie? Would love to get him together with my hubby. My hubby isn't all pro-vax either. a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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