Re: Newborn eye ointment

[Guest guest]

what about GBS?

Kathy

, there is usually no problem.

:

: Fio.

:

[Guest guest]

can someone get a hold of a waiver and post it? those of us without

access could use it as an example..

Kathy

: My hospital birth and homebirth CNM had waivers, but I do remember my

CNM's having something about this huge fine I would have to pay if the

state would chose to prosecute me.

: L.

: Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/16/2001 1:23:32 PM Central Daylight Time,

yahmeema@... writes:

> She said that I could

> sign a waiver against the Vitamin K but that the eye

> antibiotics are a state law and there's " nothing they

> can do " . I

I totally agree with you and am in the same boat pretty much. I don't know

if this will work for you, but someone on another list I'm on talked to her

midwife and said, " it is law for you to put this ointment in her eyes, but

eyelids are part of her eyes. " The midwife in this case agreed to put the

ointment on the outside of the baby's eyelids. The midwife felt " covered "

and the mom was satisfied.

Part of me thinks that's kind of lame, but sometimes you just have to go with

whatever works I guess..... sigh.

I think if you give birth at home you should be able to it just like you

want, but if it is at a birth center they may feel more pressure to do stuff

like that....

Carolyn S.

Pearland, TX

<A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/karalyn28/Cindex.htm " >Byron and Carolyn's Home

Page</A>

[Guest guest]

Karalyn, thanks for sharing that. It may be a way to satisfy both mom and

midwife.

It is a shame that here in Texas the midwife is required by law to use the

ointment. I totally understand why the midwife would not want to stray from

the law. On the slim chance that baby's eyes do become infected with

gonorrhea or whatever else the antiobiotic is supposed to protect against,

she could lose her license. Some parents are not willing to take

responsibility for their decisions and would be the first to sue the midwife

for malpractice. And then that's one less midwife for the rest of us who so

desperately want one.

So I certainly understand the midwife's point of view. There are so many

ridiculous rules and laws that she must abide by. How about that 24-hour

rule? If your water breaks and you are not in hard labor by 24 hours, the

midwife is supposed to transport you to the hospital. My midwife let me

slide to 30 hours, but then off to the hospital we went. Worse mistake I

ever made! And I have made alot of mistakes. So just as an aside - Ladies

beware of this rule and do your homework. Get Henci Goer's book entitled

Obstetrical Myth versus Research Reality. If I had it to do over, I would

have stayed home even though I'm sure the midwife would have abandoned me and

I would have had an " unassisted " birth. At the time I did not know about

unassisted birth and that it can be quite safe. I feel like such an idiot.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/16/01 9:23:25 PM GTB Daylight Time, yahmeema@...

writes:

<< I was pretty ticked off and thinking

about my options in terms of switching midwives, going

unassisted, etc., but it seems like such a small

reason to make such a big decision. Can't I do a

religious exemption or something? >

I had a UC but went to the ER later due to meconium(all was well).All I had

to do was sign a paper diclining whatever it is I did not want.I did do the

EO,but turned down the vitK and HepB shots.One would think they would make

more of a stink about those.If you don't have any STD's then the EO is not

needed.I did not have any STD's but thought I might have a yeast infection so

I thought the EO would be helpful(I now know BM is best for anything!)

There must be a form in your state that you can sign to dcline just about

anything.If they make a big deal about this I can only imagine how your birth

will go with such midwives(no offense).You have a right to refuse any

intervention for yourself or your baby.This EO procedue is to caught those

whose mothers were not tested for STDs.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Yahmeema, I don't know where you live, but here in Texas, USA it is

" required " by law to have the eye ointment. I spoke w/ our midwife

openly about not wanting that for this baby and she said no problem and

that all we had to do was sign a waiver. No big deal.

You might consider changing midwives if it continues to be a problem.

NOTHING is too small an issue when it comes to your kids.

~

--- Yahmeema <yahmeema@...> wrote:

Hi everyone...

I told her that I would be signing off on the Vitamin K administration

as well as the eye treatment. She said that I could sign a waiver

against the Vitamin K but that the eye antibiotics are a state law and

there's " nothing they can do " .

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I am in California, I believe we are one of the worst when it comes to

" state laws " and we not have the eye antibiotic administer, I used breast

milk. It would be a good enough reason for me to change. I am 29+ weeks

and when I was pregnant with my daughter I decided to change to a homebirth

and left my OB at 32 weeks, so it is never too late. You don't have to do

anything and you are in control. PERIOD! If she really wants to work with

you, tell her to give you the ointment and have her leave the room and throw

it away. :-) Good luck. Dawn

Newborn eye ointment

Hi everyone...

I just got back from my 28-week prenatal appointment.

I expressed some of our desires to the midwife and

could sense trouble on the horizon. I told her that I

would be signing off on the Vitamin K administration

as well as the eye treatment. She said that I could

sign a waiver against the Vitamin K but that the eye

antibiotics are a state law and there's " nothing they

can do " . I told her that that was administering

medical treatment without our consent and that they

didn't have to " do " anything. That was the point. I

reiterated that we would not allow this to happen.

She said that they would discuss it at their staff

meeing, and let me know what they come up with.

Needless to say, I was pretty ticked off and thinking

about my options in terms of switching midwives, going

unassisted, etc., but it seems like such a small

reason to make such a big decision. Can't I do a

religious exemption or something? Does anyone have

any advice for this? Thanks!

Peace & Blessings,

Yahmeema

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Where do you live? Can you ask around and try to find a direct entry

midwife-one who will deliver your baby at home? Then you don't have to worry

about all of those stupid hospital requirements. I had all three of my

babies at home and loved every minute of each birth, and our midwife

wouldn't have given the shot or eye ointment even if we had wanted her to.

Good luck.

H. in Utah

[Guest guest]

> rule? If your water breaks and you are not in hard labor by 24 hours,

> the

> midwife is supposed to transport you to the hospital. My midwife let

> me

> slide to 30 hours, but then off to the hospital we went. Worse

> mistake I

Mostly a lurker here, luckily my water broke after I was in hard labour,

and already at 6 cm, but if I ever have my water break and don't go into

labour right away (or aren't in labour already) I will wait until I go

into labour before calling. As long as I don't bathe, don't stick

foreign dirty objects up inside, don't have other people's hands with

foreign germs poking up there, there is usually no problem.

Fio.

[Guest guest]

My hospital birth and homebirth CNM had waivers, but I do remember my CNM's

having something about this huge fine I would have to pay if the state would

chose to prosecute me.

L.

Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

[Guest guest]

Wow that was some story Laurie! Thanks for sharing it. You had alot of

strikes against you - what with attempting a VBAC and a breech to boot. It

sounds like it was a miracle that you were able to locate a midwife who would

accept you. You said she turned the baby manually. I have also heard of

people having alot of success with the Webster technique (I think that is

some kinda of chiropractic adjustment).

[Guest guest]

I'd change midwives. I agree, this is NOT a small issue. Why compromise

what's important to you when it comes to your birth and your children? I hate

that! I would never do something like this to one of my clients especially

over eye ointment. People come to midwives so they can have more choices.

What makes her any better than and MD? Oh this obviously pushed my button!

wrote:

> Yahmeema, I don't know where you live, but here in Texas, USA it is

> " required " by law to have the eye ointment. I spoke w/ our midwife

> openly about not wanting that for this baby and she said no problem and

> that all we had to do was sign a waiver. No big deal.

>

> You might consider changing midwives if it continues to be a problem.

> NOTHING is too small an issue when it comes to your kids.

>

> ~

>

> --- Yahmeema <yahmeema@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone...

> I told her that I would be signing off on the Vitamin K administration

> as well as the eye treatment. She said that I could sign a waiver

> against the Vitamin K but that the eye antibiotics are a state law and

> there's " nothing they can do " .

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Well it's a law here in Arizona too but you can sign off on it! Ugh! I hate it

when women's choices are taken away because of down right lies!

HolisticMomma@... wrote:

> Karalyn, thanks for sharing that. It may be a way to satisfy both mom and

> midwife.

>

> It is a shame that here in Texas the midwife is required by law to use the

> ointment. I totally understand why the midwife would not want to stray from

> the law. On the slim chance that baby's eyes do become infected with

[Guest guest]

--- " Larsen, Licensed Midwife " <midwife1@...> wrote:

> I'd change midwives. I agree, this is NOT a small issue. Why

> compromise

> what's important to you when it comes to your birth and your

> children? I hate

> that! I would never do something like this to one of my clients

> especially

> over eye ointment. People come to midwives so they can have more

> choices.

> What makes her any better than and MD? Oh this obviously pushed my

> button!

, this fired you up as much as the Playtex/mold issue fired me up!

LOL!

~

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Well, your hope was in vain! Why? During the first part of my pregnancy I

was with a group of hospital midwives. I think they did test me for HIV. Is

it because if you turn up positive, there's that whole breastfeeding issue?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/16/2001 10:03:33 PM Central Daylight Time,

helminger@... writes:

> I hope the women here

> understand that they should never get an aids test while pregnant!

>

Why? I'm just curious...don't they just draw blood?

Carolyn S.

Pearland, TX

<A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/karalyn28/Cindex.htm " >Byron and Carolyn's Home

Page</A>

[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh! I'm so sorry! I didn't realize how much this effected me! WE have

choices today ! I guess that's why I chose this profession, to give families

choices. I think my big issue lies in the fact that if you and your husband

are in a monogamous relationship, then there's no chance of gonorrhea or

chylamida period! Plus, I have an issue with petroleum products and that's

exactly the eye drop base. I also have a big issue with the over use of

antibiotics. The eye ointment not only kills the bad bacteria (MAYBE) but the

good as well. So they kill ALL the bacteria in the eye, good and if there's

any bad and NOW we have a " clean plate " for all kinds of bacteria to invade

the eyes. There's controversy surrounding the fact that erythromycin may not

even be effective against chlymadia and gonorrhea anyway!

My mantra will always be to " inform and let THEM make the choice! "

wrote:

> --- " Larsen, Licensed Midwife " <midwife1@...> wrote:

> > I'd change midwives. I agree, this is NOT a small issue. Why

> > compromise

> > what's important to you when it comes to your birth and your

> > children? I hate

> > that! I would never do something like this to one of my clients

> > especially

> > over eye ointment. People come to midwives so they can have more

> > choices.

> > What makes her any better than and MD? Oh this obviously pushed my

> > button!

>

> , this fired you up as much as the Playtex/mold issue fired me up!

> LOL!

>

> ~

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

My midwife was out of state(and is usually as she's Mi. and we're Ohio) and

my water started leaking Fri. Didn't know it was that intil we got litmus

papaer from hospital. Called her Mon afternoon and she said,have hubby do

CBC,take temp 3x day, nothing in the vagina,and if you don't have baby by

Wed, we'll do castor oil thing. How cool is she! I had read

Wainer Cohen's books and Bradley's books and " graduated " from that course so

I knew that the fluid replaced itself and it was leaking, not gushing.

Fortunately, started labor on Tues. ALso, didn't do eyedrops as we were

momogamous and tested neg and didn't want them(she would've done erythomycin

if we wanted) but on our birth certificate we marked it was administerd!

Also, I left my doc at 30 weeks as he called my baby dumb because he was

breech and couldn't find anyone else( went to 4 other docs) to " allow " me an

attempted vaginal breech after 2 c-secs. So, at 36 weeks we found her and

she turned baby manually and 4 days pass my due date we drove to Mi(3 hour

drive) and had completely natural birth with 3 small stitches required). I

guess I'm trying to say, find someone, and somewhere, you feel safe. This

is your baby's first experience of the world and the only chance to do what

and how you want with this baby. I watched a tape of a woman who switched

docs 10 days before her due date! They work for you...you are paying them.

I am not a medical doctor,

nor do I portray one on t.v.!

(But my husband,Mike,is!!!)

Laurie>Bucyrus,Ohio

mother to (13),Donovan(8),

Buck(4),Luke(3), and (1)

2 csecs,3 VBACs(1 partial waterbirth,

1 complete waterbirth)

Please visit us at our website

http://www.goldenprideweb.com/drmikeandlaurie

for information on nutritional supplements,

including the original oral chelator, skin care,

weight loss(The Florida Diet),Herbs for Health,

and home products

.. On the slim chance that baby's eyes do become infected with

gonorrhea or whatever else the antiobiotic is supposed to protect against,

she could lose her license. Some parents are not willing to take

responsibility for their decisions and would be the first to sue the midwife

for malpractice. And then that's one less midwife for the rest of us who so

desperately want one.

.. How about that 24-hour

rule? If your water breaks and you are not in hard labor by 24 hours, the

midwife is supposed to transport you to the hospital. My midwife let me

slide to 30 hours, but then off to the hospital we went. Worse mistake I

ever made! - Ladies

beware of this rule and do your homework. Get Henci Goer's book entitled

Obstetrical Myth versus Research Reality.

[Guest guest]

Laurie, what an AWESOME story!!! How cool for you! I am really

looking forward to having a positive home birth, no eye drops of any

sort, natural child birth experience.

~

San , TX

Where we only need to sign a waiver declining eye drops!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Most OBs generally test you for those STDs as well as AIDS. I know my midwife

did. And they asked me at the end of my pregnancy if I wanted to be tested and

I

said no. also did not receive eye drops.

Sherri

" Larsen, Licensed Midwife " wrote:

> Oh my gosh! I'm so sorry! I didn't realize how much this effected me! WE have

> choices today ! I guess that's why I chose this profession, to give families

> choices. I think my big issue lies in the fact that if you and your husband

> are in a monogamous relationship, then there's no chance of gonorrhea or

> chylamida period! Plus, I have an issue with petroleum products and that's

> exactly the eye drop base. I also have a big issue with the over use of

> antibiotics. The eye ointment not only kills the bad bacteria (MAYBE) but the

> good as well. So they kill ALL the bacteria in the eye, good and if there's

> any bad and NOW we have a " clean plate " for all kinds of bacteria to invade

> the eyes. There's controversy surrounding the fact that erythromycin may not

> even be effective against chlymadia and gonorrhea anyway!

>

> My mantra will always be to " inform and let THEM make the choice! "

>

> wrote:

>

> > --- " Larsen, Licensed Midwife " <midwife1@...> wrote:

> > > I'd change midwives. I agree, this is NOT a small issue. Why

> > > compromise

> > > what's important to you when it comes to your birth and your

> > > children? I hate

> > > that! I would never do something like this to one of my clients

> > > especially

> > > over eye ointment. People come to midwives so they can have more

> > > choices.

> > > What makes her any better than and MD? Oh this obviously pushed my

> > > button!

> >

> > , this fired you up as much as the Playtex/mold issue fired me up!

> > LOL!

> >

> > ~

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

My midwives offered, but refusing was no big deal. I hope the women here

understand that they should never get an aids test while pregnant!

S.

sherri wrote:

> Most OBs generally test you for those STDs as well as AIDS. I know my

> midwife

> did. And they asked me at the end of my pregnancy if I wanted to be

> tested and I

> said no. also did not receive eye drops.

>

> Sherri

>

> " Larsen, Licensed Midwife " wrote:

>

> > Oh my gosh! I'm so sorry! I didn't realize how much this effected

> me! WE have

> > choices today ! I guess that's why I chose this profession, to give

> families

> > choices. I think my big issue lies in the fact that if you and your

> husband

> > are in a monogamous relationship, then there's no chance of

> gonorrhea or

> > chylamida period! Plus, I have an issue with petroleum products and

> that's

> > exactly the eye drop base. I also have a big issue with the over use

> of

> > antibiotics. The eye ointment not only kills the bad bacteria

> (MAYBE) but the

> > good as well. So they kill ALL the bacteria in the eye, good and if

> there's

> > any bad and NOW we have a " clean plate " for all kinds of bacteria to

> invade

> > the eyes. There's controversy surrounding the fact that erythromycin

> may not

> > even be effective against chlymadia and gonorrhea anyway!

> >

> > My mantra will always be to " inform and let THEM make the choice! "

> >

> > wrote:

> >

> > > --- " Larsen, Licensed Midwife " <midwife1@...> wrote:

> > > > I'd change midwives. I agree, this is NOT a small issue. Why

> > > > compromise

> > > > what's important to you when it comes to your birth and your

> > > > children? I hate

> > > > that! I would never do something like this to one of my clients

> > > > especially

> > > > over eye ointment. People come to midwives so they can have more

>

> > > > choices.

> > > > What makes her any better than and MD? Oh this obviously pushed

> my

> > > > button!

> > >

> > > , this fired you up as much as the Playtex/mold issue fired

> me up!

> > > LOL!

> > >

> > > ~

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

I hadn't heard about not getting tested for HIV during pregnancy. Did a

search. Is this why? May cause a false positive? (Link below- pertinent

info is at the bottom of the page)...

http://204.202.137.110/sections/living/SecondOpinion/secondopinion_55_respon

se.html

~Kelli

Re: Newborn eye ointment

> My midwives offered, but refusing was no big deal. I hope the women here

> understand that they should never get an aids test while pregnant!

> S.

>

> sherri wrote:

>

> > Most OBs generally test you for those STDs as well as AIDS. I know my

> > midwife

> > did. And they asked me at the end of my pregnancy if I wanted to be

> > tested and I

> > said no. also did not receive eye drops.

> >

> > Sherri

> >

> > " Larsen, Licensed Midwife " wrote:

> >

> > > Oh my gosh! I'm so sorry! I didn't realize how much this effected

> > me! WE have

> > > choices today ! I guess that's why I chose this profession, to give

> > families

> > > choices. I think my big issue lies in the fact that if you and your

> > husband

> > > are in a monogamous relationship, then there's no chance of

> > gonorrhea or

> > > chylamida period! Plus, I have an issue with petroleum products and

> > that's

> > > exactly the eye drop base. I also have a big issue with the over use

> > of

> > > antibiotics. The eye ointment not only kills the bad bacteria

> > (MAYBE) but the

> > > good as well. So they kill ALL the bacteria in the eye, good and if

> > there's

> > > any bad and NOW we have a " clean plate " for all kinds of bacteria to

> > invade

> > > the eyes. There's controversy surrounding the fact that erythromycin

> > may not

> > > even be effective against chlymadia and gonorrhea anyway!

> > >

> > > My mantra will always be to " inform and let THEM make the choice! "

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > --- " Larsen, Licensed Midwife " <midwife1@...> wrote:

> > > > > I'd change midwives. I agree, this is NOT a small issue. Why

> > > > > compromise

> > > > > what's important to you when it comes to your birth and your

> > > > > children? I hate

> > > > > that! I would never do something like this to one of my clients

> > > > > especially

> > > > > over eye ointment. People come to midwives so they can have more

> >

> > > > > choices.

> > > > > What makes her any better than and MD? Oh this obviously pushed

> > my

> > > > > button!

> > > >

> > > > , this fired you up as much as the Playtex/mold issue fired

> > me up!

> > > > LOL!

> > > >

> > > > ~

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Not just breasfeeding, but AZT. How would you like to have to give your

newborn azt because some [highly inaccurate] test decides that you have

some virus that may or may not cause aids?

http://credence.org/news/warningaidstest2.htm

http://aidsmyth.addr.com/index.htm click on " for women " at the top

S.

HolisticMomma@... wrote:

> Well, your hope was in vain! Why? During the first part of my

> pregnancy I

> was with a group of hospital midwives. I think they did test me for

> HIV. Is

> it because if you turn up positive, there's that whole breastfeeding

> issue?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pregnancy is one of the factors that can cause a false positive with a test for

HIV/AIDS. I also elected NOT to have the AFP test done

for neural tube defects. Every test I've seen come back positive turns out all

right. I think it tends to freak the parents out for no

apparant reason.

Sherri

Monty wrote:

> I hadn't heard about not getting tested for HIV during pregnancy. Did a

> search. Is this why? May cause a false positive? (Link below- pertinent

> info is at the bottom of the page)...

>

> http://204.202.137.110/sections/living/SecondOpinion/secondopinion_55_respon

> se.html

>

> ~Kelli

>

> Re: Newborn eye ointment

>

> > My midwives offered, but refusing was no big deal. I hope the women here

> > understand that they should never get an aids test while pregnant!

> > S.

> >

> > sherri wrote:

> >

> > > Most OBs generally test you for those STDs as well as AIDS. I know my

> > > midwife

> > > did. And they asked me at the end of my pregnancy if I wanted to be

> > > tested and I

> > > said no. also did not receive eye drops.

> > >

> > > Sherri

> > >

> > > " Larsen, Licensed Midwife " wrote:

> > >

> > > > Oh my gosh! I'm so sorry! I didn't realize how much this effected

> > > me! WE have

> > > > choices today ! I guess that's why I chose this profession, to give

> > > families

> > > > choices. I think my big issue lies in the fact that if you and your

> > > husband

> > > > are in a monogamous relationship, then there's no chance of

> > > gonorrhea or

> > > > chylamida period! Plus, I have an issue with petroleum products and

> > > that's

> > > > exactly the eye drop base. I also have a big issue with the over use

> > > of

> > > > antibiotics. The eye ointment not only kills the bad bacteria

> > > (MAYBE) but the

> > > > good as well. So they kill ALL the bacteria in the eye, good and if

> > > there's

> > > > any bad and NOW we have a " clean plate " for all kinds of bacteria to

> > > invade

> > > > the eyes. There's controversy surrounding the fact that erythromycin

> > > may not

> > > > even be effective against chlymadia and gonorrhea anyway!

> > > >

> > > > My mantra will always be to " inform and let THEM make the choice! "

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > --- " Larsen, Licensed Midwife " <midwife1@...> wrote:

> > > > > > I'd change midwives. I agree, this is NOT a small issue. Why

> > > > > > compromise

> > > > > > what's important to you when it comes to your birth and your

> > > > > > children? I hate

> > > > > > that! I would never do something like this to one of my clients

> > > > > > especially

> > > > > > over eye ointment. People come to midwives so they can have more

> > >

> > > > > > choices.

> > > > > > What makes her any better than and MD? Oh this obviously pushed

> > > my

> > > > > > button!

> > > > >

> > > > > , this fired you up as much as the Playtex/mold issue fired

> > > me up!

> > > > > LOL!

> > > > >

> > > > > ~

> > > > >

> > > > > __________________________________________________

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

If they did test you for HIV without your consent, they can be in big trouble,

depending on your state. PRegnancy CAN cause a false

positive. Not only that, they have to tell you that you are being tested and you

have to sign a consent form specifically for that purpose

here in TN. I used to work OB and had to explain to every patient on their

first visit about our tests, including Gonorrhea and Clamydia

as well as HIV.

Sherri

HolisticMomma@... wrote:

> Well, your hope was in vain! Why? During the first part of my pregnancy I

> was with a group of hospital midwives. I think they did test me for HIV. Is

> it because if you turn up positive, there's that whole breastfeeding issue?

>

>