Re: rubella vaccine/pregnancy question PS

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.. However, he seems to feel that giving monovalent measles vaccine to

>an older child (2+) is not a major risk.

And I'm sure his daughter would also agree with me - she isn't going near

another vaccine for her children he's said.

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But there is SOME good research out there. You can go to www.ThinkTwice.com

and they have a list of research studies with all the information you need to

look the study up yourself. And you can locate the actual study online with

that information.

If you are actively reading all the information that is out there (websites,

books, studies, parents of damaged/dead children), it is difficult to NOT be

confident about making the decision to NOT vaccinate.

It is my belief that anyone who is hesitant about non-vaccination - that is

their subconscience saying they simply have not researched the subject

thoroughly enough.

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Thank you very much Sherri for posting your experiences. And since I haven't

given my daughter the measles vaccine, you can see that I too am wary of it.

I am curious about a few things: 1) did you ever see serious consequences

from measles (the disease) during your years in medicine? 2) do you have any

personal experience with the dangers of the monovalent measles vaccine? Do

you know of anyone who has been injured by it? Ditto for IPV.

I agree that no vaccine is totally safe, although it does seem that some are

more pernicious than others. How is it that you are so certain that they

are all dangerous? I wish I had such conviction, but in the absence of good

research I have more questions than answers. I hope I'm not being a pain,

but I guess I'm just a hopeless skeptic, which makes it hard to make

decisions one way or the other.

tte

>From: Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...>

>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: rubella vaccine/pregnancy question PS

>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:02:08 +0100

>

>. However, he seems to feel that giving monovalent measles vaccine to

> >an older child (2+) is not a major risk.

>

>And I'm sure his daughter would also agree with me - she isn't going near

>another vaccine for her children he's said.

>--------------------------------------------------------

>Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

>Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

>530-478-1242 Voicemail

>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

>women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

>ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

>DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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At 05:22 PM 04/16/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Thank you very much Sherri for posting your experiences. And since I haven't

>given my daughter the measles vaccine, you can see that I too am wary of it.

>

>I am curious about a few things: 1) did you ever see serious consequences

>from measles (the disease) during your years in medicine?

NEVER in my nursing experience.

Never in my family or acquaintances growing up.

My mom is a nurse and when I asked her if measles worried here, she laughed

and said of course not.

Its hard when you didn't grow up with it and only grew up with the

propaganada.

2) do you have any

>personal experience with the dangers of the monovalent measles vaccine? Do

>you know of anyone who has been injured by it?

No, don't know of anyone personally injured by measles vaccine when I was a

nurse, but again, I wasn't paying attention - wouldn't have recognized

anything as a vaccine reaction as we were taught it just didn't happen.

>Ditto for IPV.

It is very hard to tell as IPV is given with so many other vaccines.

Rarely given separately.

>

>I agree that no vaccine is totally safe, although it does seem that some are

>more pernicious than others. How is it that you are so certain that they

>are all dangerous?

15 YEARS of research and especially the last 5 years - I have thousands and

thousands of documents and can only synthesize that for you and post some

information and put some on my website. You have to read and read and read.

I wish I had such conviction, but in the absence of good

>research I have more questions than answers. I hope I'm not being a pain,

>but I guess I'm just a hopeless skeptic, which makes it hard to make

>decisions one way or the other.

There is no substitute for constant reading.

Sheri

>

>tte

>

>>From: Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...>

>>Reply-Vaccinations

>>Vaccinations

>>Subject: Re: rubella vaccine/pregnancy question PS

>>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:02:08 +0100

>>

>>. However, he seems to feel that giving monovalent measles vaccine to

>> >an older child (2+) is not a major risk.

>>

>>And I'm sure his daughter would also agree with me - she isn't going near

>>another vaccine for her children he's said.

>>--------------------------------------------------------

>>Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

>>Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

>>530-478-1242 Voicemail

>>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

>> " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

>>women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

>>ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

>>DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

>>Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

>>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

>>International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

>>Education, Homeopathic Education

>>CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

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>It is my belief that anyone who is hesitant about non-vaccination - that is

>their subconscience saying they simply have not researched the subject

>thoroughly enough.

>

Exactly - once you know what I know and have seen what I have seen, you

would never inject yourself or your child with another vaccine in your life!

Sheri

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

530-478-1242 Voicemail

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

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I swear, I have read everything! Nobody has recommended any material that I

haven't already looked at! I read and read and read! I am obsessed! Right

now my daughter is asking me to read her a book and I am emailing y'all!

JG

>From: Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...>

>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: rubella vaccine/pregnancy question PS

>Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:26:43 +0100

>

>

> >It is my belief that anyone who is hesitant about non-vaccination - that

>is

> >their subconscience saying they simply have not researched the subject

> >thoroughly enough.

> >

>

>Exactly - once you know what I know and have seen what I have seen, you

>would never inject yourself or your child with another vaccine in your

>life!

>Sheri

>--------------------------------------------------------

>Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

>Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

>530-478-1242 Voicemail

>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

>women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

>ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

>DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

>Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

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Bless your heart tte! I can feel your frustration right over the

computer. My hope is that you will remain with us here on this list and that

by interacting with the other parents you will begin to feel a little more

sure about the issues.

And since you say you have read everything already, did you get a chance to

read that link I sent yesterday? www.freeyurko.bizland.com/godfrey I really

thought it was a great summary of the entire vaccination issue. I'd love to

hear yours and others thoughts on it.

Also besides reading everything, have you seen pictures of babies who are now

dead because of vaccination. That is what it took to wake my husband up to

the seriousness of this issue. www.909shot.com And I'll tell you what -

seeing those precious babies made it alot more personal for me also. No

longer are we talking statistics - we're talking about precious little human

beings. Ah but that's right the pharmaceutical companies would have us

believe that those babies are expendable for the " common good " . Only

problem is vaccines are good for NO ONE!

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I cant get into that bizland site yet HolisticMomma....

Ill try again later.

Sue, mum to Ruby(23 months)

Wales,Uk

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Here is some personal experience. In Germany (at least when I was a child) they

did not vax for measles, mumps or rubella. My brother and me had measles and

mumps in succession or together, it was no big deal at all. We actually thought

it was kind of funny and knew it was harmless.

My brother actually remembers that if someone in school had one of those things,

sometimes other parents would come and visit with their children to get it over

with. I am extreemly glad that those were at least some vaxes I did not get.

Mara

Vaccinations wrote:

>

> At 05:22 PM 04/16/2001 -0500, you wrote:

> >Thank you very much Sherri for posting your experiences. And since I haven't

> >given my daughter the measles vaccine, you can see that I too am wary of it.

> >

> >I am curious about a few things:  1) did you ever see serious consequences

> >from measles (the disease) during your years in medicine?

>

> NEVER in my nursing experience.

> Never in my family or acquaintances growing up.

> My mom is a nurse and when I asked her if measles worried here, she laughed

> and said of course not.

> Its hard when you didn't grow up with it and only grew up with the

> propaganada.

>

>  2) do you have any

> >personal experience with the dangers of the monovalent measles vaccine?  Do

> >you know of anyone who has been injured by it?

>

> No, don't know of anyone personally injured by measles vaccine when I was a

> nurse, but again, I wasn't paying attention - wouldn't have recognized

> anything as a vaccine reaction as we were taught it just didn't happen.

>

>  >Ditto for IPV.

> It is very hard to tell as IPV is given with so many other vaccines.

> Rarely given separately.

> >

> >I agree that no vaccine is totally safe, although it does seem that some are

> >more pernicious than others.  How is it that you are so certain that they

> >are all dangerous?

>

> 15 YEARS of research and especially the last 5 years - I have thousands and

> thousands of documents and can only synthesize that for you and post some

> information and put some on my website.  You have to read and read and read.

>

>  I wish I had such conviction, but in the absence of good

> >research I have more questions than answers.  I hope I'm not being a pain,

> >but I guess I'm just a hopeless skeptic, which makes it hard to make

> >decisions one way or the other.

>

> There is no substitute for constant reading.

> Sheri

>

> >

> >tte

> >

> >>From: Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...>

> >>Reply-Vaccinations

> >>Vaccinations

> >>Subject: Re: rubella vaccine/pregnancy question  PS

> >>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:02:08 +0100

> >>

> >>. However, he seems to feel that giving monovalent measles vaccine to

> >> >an older child (2+) is not a major risk.

> >>

> >>And I'm sure his daughter would also agree with me - she isn't going near

> >>another vaccine for her children he's said.

> >>--------------------------------------------------------

> >>Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> >>Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

> >>530-478-1242 Voicemail

> >>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> >>       " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil  is that good men ( &

> >>women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

> >>ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> >>DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> >>Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> >>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> >>International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> >>Education, Homeopathic Education

> >>CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

> >

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This is what we did as children with the chicken pox. Dawn

Re: rubella vaccine/pregnancy question PS

> >>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:02:08 +0100

> >>

> >>. However, he seems to feel that giving monovalent measles vaccine to

> >> >an older child (2+) is not a major risk.

> >>

> >>And I'm sure his daughter would also agree with me - she isn't going

near

> >>another vaccine for her children he's said.

> >>--------------------------------------------------------

> >>Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> >>Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

> >>530-478-1242 Voicemail

> >> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

<http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm>

> >> " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men

( &

> >>women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

> >>ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE.

THE

> >>DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> >>Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> >> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin <http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin>

> >>International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> >>Education, Homeopathic Education

> >>CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

> >

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I too have not been able to get at the freeyurko page.

Actually, the article that really grabbed my attention was the one from

Archives of Ped. Medicine about varicella and herd immunity. My husband and

I both goggled in disbelief after reading the medical logic on this

question. Create an unnecessary vaccine, worry after the fact that the

disease will become more dangerous for the unvaccinated, and then decree

that making the shot mandatory is the best solution! Can you get any more

illogical than that? How can I trust these fools with my children's health?

Also, a couple of days ago someone posted a link to a diatribe by a doctor

on the topic of vaccines. Does anyone still have that link? It was pretty

good.

tte

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