JW, Vaccines, Catholics, Aborted Baby Parts

[Guest guest]

I have tried to explain this fact to some parents in my faith and most of the

time all I get is a blank stare. Definitely more education is needed to let

people know how the shots are made. It's sad because people just " do it "

because they are told to but have no clue as to what they are putting into

their bodies or their children's.

K

~Kerin~

Mom of Four~

*When you tend a rose, my lad,

A thistle cannot grow*

[Guest guest]

I discovered in doing research that there are blood products in some

vaccines. This is a multi-facetted problem with aborted baby tissue and

blood products. Could we stretch this and include the shedding of innocent

blood and make it more of an issue to MOST faith groups??

I also know that there is a Catholic organization that has taken a strong

stance on the aborted baby parts issue and Dr. Mercola has published their

statement on his web site some where.

For those not aware, the whole aborted parts issue is chronicled on my web

site in an article entitled: " When Immunizations Become a Pro-Life Issue. "

Feel free to copy it, link to it, or refer people there who have questions.

As is the standard for most of my work, the references are in the article.

Kathy

Rev. Kathy Rateliff; CCD, CCCE, SM

Author & trainer, Titus 2 Birthing Curriculums

Vaccine Refusal Form - REVISED 1/21/01:

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PARENT VACCINE INFORMATION PACKET

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[Guest guest]

I haven't had a chance to look at this, but it will be a priority of mine.

Maybe if my family had " facts " of this and not just my say so...

I am not a medical doctor,

nor do I portray one on t.v.!

(But my husband,Mike,is!!!)

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For those not aware, the whole aborted parts issue is chronicled on my web

site in an article entitled: " When Immunizations Become a Pro-Life Issue. "

Feel free to copy it, link to it, or refer people there who have questions.

As is the standard for most of my work, the references are in the article.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

I HATE this. It makes me physically ill. I just have no care of feeling

for mothers who allow this to happen. My God. Those poor, poor

children. And as far as I'm concerned, there's no such thing as a

" fetus " , it's a BABY, a CHILD from the get-go.

~

--- Phyllis <georgic@...> wrote:

> These aborted fetuses are the third trimester abortions.. These are

> viable

> babies that are forced delivered vaginally but are turned around to

> become

> breech births. When the feet are delivered first and the head is

> still

> unborn this baby is considered a " fetus " At that point a pair of

> scissors

> is poked into the base of the head at the spinal cord to make the

> baby

> unrespondsive.. This way when the baby is born it still can be

> placed

> onto life support if the organs are needed for transplant or the baby

> can be

> used immediately for any experiments or tissue havesting that is

> necessary

> for vaccines, Parkinson Disease research and drug therapies and cord

> blood

> harvesting for brain injury victims or spinal cord research...

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[Guest guest]

I don't understand this....the law clearly says that only some third

trimester babies can be aborted if MEDICALLY nessacasy..in other

words either the mom is at risk of dying or the baby or both. Most

cases of third trimester the mom JUST found out something was

seriously wrong with the baby...they baby cannot live not on its

own. I would like to know where this information came from and if it

is true...I seriously doubt it is true. I thought the president had

backed off on third trimester aborations...unless the dr can prove it

is life threathening. I have heard that they use miscarried or

aborated babies...in the very early stages of pg to help treat people

with certain diseases such as parkinson. Plus also to turn a full

term baby around backwards would be very risky to the mother also.

This makes no sense to me. Even a breech baby the dr has to be

extremely careful with the mom and baby is trying to turn it and this

is not done during labor ....too much pressure from the inside and I

would think doing this durning contraction would be impossible.

> These aborted fetuses are the third trimester abortions.. These

are viable

> babies that are forced delivered vaginally but are turned around to

become

> breech births. When the feet are delivered first and the head is

still

> unborn this baby is considered a " fetus " At that point a pair of

scissors

> is poked into the base of the head at the spinal cord to make the

baby

> unrespondsive.. This way when the baby is born it still can be

placed

> onto life support if the organs are needed for transplant or the

baby can be

> used immediately for any experiments or tissue havesting that is

necessary

> for vaccines, Parkinson Disease research and drug therapies and

cord blood

> harvesting for brain injury victims or spinal cord research...

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Ives " <mives@s...>

>

>

>

> > OK - I'm REALLY behind on posts but -- my quesiton is: Do we

know what

> type of abortions are used for vaccinations, or is it any/all? I

question

> this because some fetuses are aborted for medical reasons i.e.,

neural tube

> defects, downs syndrome, etc., which, I would assume, is in the the

fetus'

> DNA. OTOH, fetuses aborted for other reasons, i.e., unwanted

pregnancy,

> have less of a chance of carrying DNA with defects.

> >

> > Its bad enough to be injecting babies with vaccinations cultured

on

> aborted fetus', but to have those cells " dis-eased " is just adding

to the

> fire!

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

These aborted fetuses are the third trimester abortions.. These are

> > viable > babies that are forced delivered vaginally but are

turned around to> become

> > breech births. When the feet are delivered first and the head is

> > still unborn this baby is considered a " fetus " At that point a

pair of scissors is poked into the base of the head at the spinal

cord to make the baby unrespondsive.. This way when the baby is

born it still can be placed onto life support if the organs are

needed for transplant or the baby > can be

> > used immediately for any experiments or tissue havesting that is

> > necessary> for vaccines, Parkinson Disease research and drug

therapies and cord> blood> harvesting for brain injury victims or

spinal cord research...

I am new to this group...but couldn't read this without getting sick

while holding my little 8 week old premature baby who I love with all

my heart and who was a baby from the moment the sperm met the egg. I

just don't know how anyone can do this to a baby.

Just had to get that out!

- Mommmy 2 three...Kaila, Trevor and Aidan

[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh!!!

I did not know this.

At 03:18 PM 4/13/01 -0400, you wrote:

>These aborted fetuses are the third trimester abortions.. These are viable

>babies that are forced delivered vaginally but are turned around to become

>breech births. When the feet are delivered first and the head is still

>unborn this baby is considered a " fetus " At that point a pair of scissors

>is poked into the base of the head at the spinal cord to make the baby

>unrespondsive.. This way when the baby is born it still can be placed

>onto life support if the organs are needed for transplant or the baby can be

>used immediately for any experiments or tissue havesting that is necessary

>for vaccines, Parkinson Disease research and drug therapies and cord blood

>harvesting for brain injury victims or spinal cord research...

>----- Original Message -----

>From: " Ives " <mives@...>

>

>

>

>> OK - I'm REALLY behind on posts but -- my quesiton is: Do we know what

>type of abortions are used for vaccinations, or is it any/all? I question

>this because some fetuses are aborted for medical reasons i.e., neural tube

>defects, downs syndrome, etc., which, I would assume, is in the the fetus'

>DNA. OTOH, fetuses aborted for other reasons, i.e., unwanted pregnancy,

>have less of a chance of carrying DNA with defects.

>>

>> Its bad enough to be injecting babies with vaccinations cultured on

>aborted fetus', but to have those cells " dis-eased " is just adding to the

>fire!

>>

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[Guest guest]

http://www.drtiller.com/medir.html

This is the only Dr. in the country, I know for a fact does late term (third

trimester) abortions for ANY reason. I know that women fly from all over the

country and he puts them up in a hotel room. He has been quietly doing this

for years.

It will take me awhile longer to find information on what the fetal " tissue "

is used for, anyone interested in more information can contact me off-list.

Many people have been fighting for years to put " Tiller the killer " out of

business.

~Annette

----- Original Message -----

From: Sheri Nakken

Suggest that there is a bit of propaganda here.

I have searched and searched and can find no one doing such abortions

unless mother's life is SERIOUSLY in danger.

Don't want to argue here but this is propaganda at its worst

[Guest guest]

I think it is used to grow some of the vaccines on, that is, aborted fetal

tissue.

At 06:36 PM 4/19/01 -0700, you wrote:

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>http://www.drtiller.com/medir.html

>

>This is the only Dr. in the country, I know for a fact does late term (third

>trimester) abortions for ANY reason. I know that women fly from all over the

>country and he puts them up in a hotel room. He has been quietly doing this

>for years.

>

>It will take me awhile longer to find information on what the fetal " tissue "

>is used for, anyone interested in more information can contact me off-list.

>

>Many people have been fighting for years to put " Tiller the killer " out of

>business.

>

>~Annette

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Sheri Nakken

>

> Suggest that there is a bit of propaganda here.

> I have searched and searched and can find no one doing such abortions

> unless mother's life is SERIOUSLY in danger.

> Don't want to argue here but this is propaganda at its worst

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