Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:47:44 -0500 From: Belkin <Belkin@...> What a joke. Doctors are so brainwashed about vaccine safety they think they can brainwash everyone else, with no evidence or skill. I have a better proposal for them: Have Merck buy every citizen lunch each day, like they do for pediatricians in medical school -- then everyone will take their vaccines and pay no attention to media scaremongering. MB +++++++++++++ http://www.medscape.com/CMECircle/Pediatrics/2000/CME02/CME02-04.html Vaccine Safety: The United Kingdom Experience Salisbury, MB, FRCP, FRCPH, MFPHM Overcoming Media Reports and Public Concerns Slide. Guiding Principle Used by Department of Health So what are the principles that we use in trying to deal with all of this? The first is we try to predict, we try to prepare, we try to be proactive, and we try to achieve positive responses, and I'll show you these in turn. So what can you do about prediction? Slide. Predictions Well, we do have reasonable ideas, which topics are likely to attract public interest; thimerosal and mercury toxicity, not surprising, autism, multiple sclerosis, multiple vaccines and immune overload. We can anticipate these are likely to cause trouble. They share common features of an unknown etiology condition that the public fears. Often there is a long latency, and that makes the evidence to negate the claims all the more difficult to get. It will be almost impossible to set up new studies using immunized and unimmunized groups. We won't have unimmunized control groups after vaccines are introduced nationwide. And the lack of evidence from those proposing vaccine scares does not appear to hinder them at all. The public would expect us, the authorities, to prove the negative, or the theories stand unchallenged. Slide. Preparation So what can we do in preparation? Well, ideally the prediction would have identified the forthcoming problem, and it's possible that routine information sources will suffice to give answers, but it is more than probable that they will not give the answers. So critical is the phase of intelligence gathering. Does adequate data already exist that can answer the problem? And it may be that that data is already there. How feasible is it to collect new data? And here very important, how much can you find out about the cards in other players' hands? Most of these people are so proud of their claims that they'll tell you all about their experiments if you just ask, but remember that you're starting from behind in all of these scare stories. If you need to set up studies to counteract the scare, it's unlikely that you will have the answers in time, and an answer that we are awaiting these studies does not reassure anybody. Slide. Proactive Steps So what can you do to be proactive? Well, the first is that uninformed health professionals will undermine your efforts. It may be difficult to alert health professionals as promptly as they would wish because of embargoes on publications. Many of us often know about material which is about to appear in a journal, but we cannot tell the world because there is an embargo on it. You have to appreciate that doctors hate finding out about vaccine scares from their patients. It's not difficult for journalists to find one doctor who will give unhelpful comments, often based on ignorance, but that is irrelevant. You should provide health professionals with multilayered information, both for themselves and for them to use with parents, and wherever possible, you should involve independent experts who can endorse your response. You should share the problem if possible, so you can present a broad coalition. Slide. Proactive Steps So what about proactive? Well, prepare information materials for parents on many levels, for all audiences. Give references to parents. If you've quoted a piece of work, give the parents the reference, they add credibility, and actually they're very rarely followed up, but it doesn't matter. It at least shows that you're not just giving opinions. Test all materials that you use for parents and health professionals before you print a million leaflets. What makes sense to you and looks attractive may be useless in getting a message across. Try to find ways to target your information to the right health professionals, and more importantly, to the right parents at the right time, and I'll show you some of that in a moment. If you brief friendly journalists, remember that they cherish their independence, they're always going to show both sides of a story. The critical issue is where do they draw the line? Slide. So what have we done to be proactive or be responsive? So here is an example of how we sent a letter from the Chief Medical Officer to every single doctor in the United Kingdom, measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, Crohn's disease and autism, and the point here is that this letter, which is about six sides long, demolishes a whole lot of the arguments about an association. I would have been mortified if my work had been so criticized. Slide. Leaflet Now here's an information leaflet we can use for parents where we go through the arguments about MMR, autism, and bowel disease and so on. This was pre-tested before we ever issued it, and then tested afterwards. This is sent through the computerized register system, so that whenever a child is being called for their MMR immunization, this leaflet can be inserted in the call-up letter, goes by post, direct to the parent, before they bring their child for immunization, so the parent already has read the information by the time they come to the primary care physician. Slide. Positive Responses So what about positive responses? Tell the truth, give clear messages. While parents want to feel that they're making a choice, very few will be sufficiently informed to actually be making a fully informed choice. Unless they have degrees in epidemiology, statistics, immunology, virology and bacteriology, and vaccine design, manufacturing, quality assurance and quality control, it's unlikely that they will actually make an informed choice, but they like to feel that they're doing that. Risk assessment by parents and many health professionals implies a degree of rationality which is usually absent. If you say to someone the risk is one in a million, do they interpret that differently to a risk of 1 in 100,000? As soon as you put a number on a risk, you validate the risk; you give a veracity that there is a risk. We know that's not what the statistics mean, but it's not interpreted that way. I believe we should not offer a choice of risks. If you say to people the risk after the vaccine is this, the risk after the disease is that, and it's far better to have the vaccine than the disease, that doesn't mean anything to parents who have never seen measles, have no perception, and for whom it actually is not a real fear because most parents' children will never get measles now. So this business about saying here's the risk, here's the benefit is very difficult to put into realistic terms within peoples' lives. Do not patronize. To say we're the experts so you can believe us, goes down like a lead balloon. The expertise of anybody called doctor by a journalist is considered as credible as anybody else called doctor, and you can always find a doctor who'll say something different. A professor can be a bit tricky. People know that professors are important, but they're always thought to be a bit too brainy, so don't use too many professors. 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The first is we try to predict, we try to prepare, we try to be proactive, and we try to achieve positive responses, and I'll show you these in turn. So what can you do about prediction? Slide Slide. Predictions Well, we do have reasonable ideas, which topics are likely to attract public interest; thimerosal and mercury toxicity, not surprising, autism, multiple sclerosis, multiple vaccines and immune overload. We can anticipate these are likely to cause trouble. They share common features of an unknown etiology condition that the public fears. Often there is a long latency, and that makes the evidence to negate the claims all the more difficult to get. It will be almost impossible to set up new studies using immunized and unimmunized groups. We won't have unimmunized control groups after vaccines are introduced nationwide. And the lack of evidence from those proposing vaccine scares does not appear to hinder them at all. The public would expect us, the authorities, to prove the negative, or the theories stand unchallenged. Slide Slide. Preparation So what can we do in preparation? Well, ideally the prediction would have identified the forthcoming problem, and it's possible that routine information sources will suffice to give answers, but it is more than probable that they will not give the answers. So critical is the phase of intelligence gathering. Does adequate data already exist that can answer the problem? And it may be that that data is already there. How feasible is it to collect new data? And here very important, how much can you find out about the cards in other players' hands? Most of these people are so proud of their claims that they'll tell you all about their experiments if you just ask, but remember that you're starting from behind in all of these scare stories. If you need to set up studies to counteract the scare, it's unlikely that you will have the answers in time, and an answer that we are awaiting these studies does not reassure anybody. Slide Slide. Proactive Steps So what can you do to be proactive? Well, the first is that uninformed health professionals will undermine your efforts. It may be difficult to alert health professionals as promptly as they would wish because of embargoes on publications. Many of us often know about material which is about to appear in a journal, but we cannot tell the world because there is an embargo on it. You have to appreciate that doctors hate finding out about vaccine scares from their patients. It's not difficult for journalists to find one doctor who will give unhelpful comments, often based on ignorance, but that is irrelevant. You should provide health professionals with multilayered information, both for themselves and for them to use with parents, and wherever possible, you should involve independent experts who can endorse your response. You should share the problem if possible, so you can present a broad coalition. Slide Slide. Proactive Steps So what about proactive? Well, prepare information materials for parents on many levels, for all audiences. Give references to parents. If you've quoted a piece of work, give the parents the reference, they add credibility, and actually they're very rarely followed up, but it doesn't matter. It at least shows that you're not just giving opinions. Test all materials that you use for parents and health professionals before you print a million leaflets. What makes sense to you and looks attractive may be useless in getting a message across. Try to find ways to target your information to the right health professionals, and more importantly, to the right parents at the right time, and I'll show you some of that in a moment. If you brief friendly journalists, remember that they cherish their independence, they're always going to show both sides of a story. The critical issue is where do they draw the line? Slide Slide. So what have we done to be proactive or be responsive? So here is an example of how we sent a letter from the Chief Medical Officer to every single doctor in the United Kingdom, measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, Crohn's disease and autism, and the point here is that this letter, which is about six sides long, demolishes a whole lot of the arguments about an association. I would have been mortified if my work had been so criticized. Slide Slide. Leaflet Now here's an information leaflet we can use for parents where we go through the arguments about MMR, autism, and bowel disease and so on. This was pre-tested before we ever issued it, and then tested afterwards. This is sent through the computerized register system, so that whenever a child is being called for their MMR immunization, this leaflet can be inserted in the call-up letter, goes by post, direct to the parent, before they bring their child for immunization, so the parent already has read the information by the time they come to the primary care physician. Slide Slide. Positive Responses So what about positive responses? Tell the truth, give clear messages. While parents want to feel that they're making a choice, very few will be sufficiently informed to actually be making a fully informed choice. Unless they have degrees in epidemiology, statistics, immunology, virology and bacteriology, and vaccine design, manufacturing, quality assurance and quality control, it's unlikely that they will actually make an informed choice, but they like to feel that they're doing that. Risk assessment by parents and many health professionals implies a degree of rationality which is usually absent. If you say to someone the risk is one in a million, do they interpret that differently to a risk of 1 in 100,000? As soon as you put a number on a risk, you validate the risk; you give a veracity that there is a risk. We know that's not what the statistics mean, but it's not interpreted that way. I believe we should not offer a choice of risks. If you say to people the risk after the vaccine is this, the risk after the disease is that, and it's far better to have the vaccine than the disease, that doesn't mean anything to parents who have never seen measles, have no perception, and for whom it actually is not a real fear because most parents' children will never get measles now. So this business about saying here's the risk, here's the benefit is very difficult to put into realistic terms within peoples' lives. Do not patronize. To say we're the experts so you can believe us, goes down like a lead balloon. The expertise of anybody called doctor by a journalist is considered as credible as anybody else called doctor, and you can always find a doctor who'll say something different. A professor can be a bit tricky. People know that professors are important, but they're always thought to be a bit too brainy, so don't use too many professors. 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