Re: OT: U/S, the ear, and ear infections

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> In a message dated 2/10/01 8:36:50 PM Central Standard Time,

xtina@h...

> writes:

>

> << makes no difference to me. >>

> but apparently it does, because you don't like other people's

experiences,

> whether negative or positive, and you certainly seem to think that

how we

> handle our families' health concerns should revolve around your

advice as an

> audiologist. This is a board for everyone to share everyone's

experiences.

> what works for me, may not be your cup of tea, but it may work for

someone

> else. That's the point. Puttng down peoples' expereince and

knowledge is

> not a great way to handle things, and obviously it ticks people off

when it's

> topped off with sarcasm. When you blow off things that someone has

> done/experienced and know to be true, you blow off them, and

belittle the

> very reason they are here- to share and find answers...

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Thats funny....how you see my responses is precisely how i have seen

yours....i only sent out one sarcastic comment mind u...the comment

above wasnt intended as such...just meant " to each his own " ...

i havce viewed your posts in precisely the same light as you have

described here.

christina in canada

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> In a message dated 2/10/01 8:45:09 PM Central Standard Time,

xtina@h...

> writes:

>

> << ut he also

> suggests that one should place a soft object in a childs mouth who

is

> having a seizure so that the child doesnt bite his tongue and

> such.....i certainly dont agree with this.. >>

>

> I lived through over five febrile seizures with my daughter, one

requiring an

> ambulance ride to emergency, and again, I disagree with you. The

> instructions he gives are common sense, and every doctor we've seen

including

> our NDs has given the same. The last thing I need is my 2 year old

biting

> off her tongue. And, once not having something handy, I put my hand

in her

> mouth. You better believe she can bite her tongue off in the middle

of a

> convulsion (which sometimes comes AFTER the febrile seizure). The

purpose is

> only to keep them from doing harm to themselves. What is your

reason for not

> liking his advice? For sure, I don't know a 3yo (or anyone for that

matter)

> who could swallow a leather glove, and if you know one, that is in

fact very

> scary.

> Carol

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Only because it can and has happened that the object inserted can be a

choking hazard.....BTW...i looked up the reference you made about

mendelsohn.....he says that peds only look at the color of the

eardrum..that is my point...there are other landmarks that can be used

to infer the status of the middle ear...i also didnt post earlier

(forgot) that the younger you are the more translucent the eardrum...

in children you can actually see the small earbones on the other side

of the drum.

christina

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<<but apparently it does, because you don't like other people's experiences,

whether negative or positive, and you certainly seem to think that how we

handle our families' health concerns should revolve around your advice as

an

audiologist. This is a board for everyone to share everyone's

experiences.>>

Where are you getting this??????

Someone specifically asked 's opinion and she gave it - if you don't

like it don't follow it! There's no reason for you to pick a fight over ears!

S.

cpeter8743@... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/10/01 8:36:50 PM Central Standard Time, xtina@...

> writes:

>

> << makes no difference to me. >>

> but apparently it does, because you don't like other people's experiences,

> whether negative or positive, and you certainly seem to think that how we

> handle our families' health concerns should revolve around your advice as an

> audiologist. This is a board for everyone to share everyone's experiences.

> what works for me, may not be your cup of tea, but it may work for someone

> else. That's the point. Puttng down peoples' expereince and knowledge is

> not a great way to handle things, and obviously it ticks people off when it's

> topped off with sarcasm. When you blow off things that someone has

> done/experienced and know to be true, you blow off them, and belittle the

> very reason they are here- to share and find answers...

>

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In a message dated 2/10/01 9:45:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, xtina@... writes:

Just because youre AUD cant tell doesnt mean others cant....ie you dont know what training i have nor what the rules are here in canada regarding this....dont overgeneralise please...

but christina, NO ONE can actually see and tell if a child has an inner ear infection--all you can do is assume based on your knowledge and experieince.

ie--the redness, fluid line, etc that you already mentioned. my only point was that, no one (not a dr, a homeopath, an audiologist, no one) can tell me if in fact my child does or does not have an inner ear infection, by looking in his ear. that's all i was trying to say... now, i do agree with you--for ear infections, i wouldn't mess with them, they will most likely clear up on their own and the child will be just fine.

and to respond to the "lots of meningitis cases", i would consider 12-15 cases in 5 years ALOT!!!!!!!!! i am shocked that it is anwhere near that high a number for oto-induced meningitis. if you've seen it first-hand i guess it's true, but i find it very hard to believe...

brigit, in albany

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but christina, NO ONE can actually see and tell if a child has an inner ear

infection--all you can do is assume based on your knowledge and

experieince.

ie--the redness, fluid line, etc that you already mentioned. my only point

was that, no one (not a dr, a homeopath, an audiologist, no one) can tell me

if in fact my child does or does not have an inner ear infection, by looking

in his ear. that's all i was trying to say...

now, i do agree with you--for ear infections, i wouldn't mess with them, they

will most likely clear up on their own and the child will be just fine.

and to respond to the " lots of meningitis cases " , i would consider 12-15

cases in 5 years ALOT!!!!!!!!! i am shocked that it is anwhere near that

high a number for oto-induced meningitis. if you've seen it first-hand i

guess it's true, but i find it very hard to believe...

brigit, in albany

Rarely is an ear infection - inner.

It is a middle ear infection or external ear infection (from swimming etc)

Inner is what is accompanied by dizziness, loss of balance, etc.

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>

> but christina, NO ONE can actually see and tell if a child has an

inner ear

> infection--all you can do is assume based on your knowledge and

> experieince.

> ie--the redness, fluid line, etc that you already mentioned. my

only point

> was that, no one (not a dr, a homeopath, an audiologist, no one) can

tell me

> if in fact my child does or does not have an inner ear infection, by

looking

> in his ear. that's all i was trying to say...

> now, i do agree with you--for ear infections, i wouldn't mess with

them, they

> will most likely clear up on their own and the child will be just

fine.

> and to respond to the " lots of meningitis cases " , i would consider

12-15

> cases in 5 years ALOT!!!!!!!!! i am shocked that it is anwhere

near that

> high a number for oto-induced meningitis. if you've seen it

first-hand i

> guess it's true, but i find it very hard to believe...

> brigit, in albany

>

>

>

> Rarely is an ear infection - inner.

> It is a middle ear infection or external ear infection (from

swimming etc)

> Inner is what is accompanied by dizziness, loss of balance, etc.

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

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Thank you sherri that is correct... sorry to add to the OT posts but i

was thinking about my response to that post Brigit...you know....They

were all " labelled " as oto-induced menengitis, but now IM wondering

how they (the doctors) could tell that that was what actually caused

the meningitis.....Im not saying that i dont think that the examples

that i cited couldnt cause meningitis...but im wondering HOW they knew

that all those individuals had meningitis that was actually caused by

those reasons....its definately a question that im gonna ask the docs

when i see them....I never questioned it before i was answering this

post. I just took what they said as true....but now i wonder....they

did have meningitis...but what actually caused it....thanks for

questioning that because i dont think i ever would have.....

christina in canada