Re: help me respond

[Guest guest]

You can't convince anyone who doesn't want to be convinced. If you think there is a chance, ask her to show you the biblical tables on SIDS. Or is that tablets?

However, you might ask them to get the government stats on what the SIDS rate was prior to DPT vaccine. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there will be any such information. They keep saying the SIDS rate among the vaccinated is the same as the background rate. But the background has been vaccinated.

I'm trying to get information on SIDS and what I've gotten so far only goes back to 1983. It is possible there was very little SIDS prior to vaccination. Pertussis was recommended for all babies, according to NVIC, in 1944. DPT was recommended for routine use in 1947. It might even be necessary to go back to the period prior to smallpox vaccine, given that there clearly were serious adverse events associated with that vaccine, including encephalitis.

It shows a complete lack of curiosity (or worse) for someone to say an unexplained death, which is what SIDS is, could not have been caused by a vaccination which occurred within hours of the death. To not even wonder what caused the SIDS. To automatically assume it had nothing to do with it. Anything which occurred prior to an event should be considered, particularly immediately prior to it. Anything that commonly occurs prior to an event should be considered.

Way before there was proof that smoking caused cancer there was convincing coincidental evidence. For years the cigarette companies used the lack of "proof" to evade responsibility, even to warn users.

Finally, placing your belief in safety studies paid for by vaccine manufacturers makes no more sense than believing safety studies paid for by the cigarette companies.

As Ann Landers likes to say, "When are they going to wake up and smell the coffee?"

Sandy from Alaska

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDEDHERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUEDAS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TOBE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISIONWHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUEAND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOURHEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

help me respond

Help me reply to . She received this letter and is kinda on the fence on what to believe. I need documents to support our information. Thanks in advance. Jill , First of all REAL studies have shown that vaccinations do NOT in fact cause SIDS. I have attended 7 national conferences and 1 international conference and met researchers from literally all over the world. NONE of which has determined that SIDS is caused by vaccinations. Check the numbers on an accurate website instead of believing everything you read on the Internet. Yes, vaccinations can have adverse affects on some babies. About 1 in 500,000. Those are way better odds than what the death rate from Pertussis was 50 years ago. My husband and his brother both almost died from whooping cough as small children. There was never a question whether or not Abbey and Philip would be vaccinated. This vaccination theory started in 1985 after Geraldo did a show on children whom have had adverse affects. That started a panic which is still alive and well 15 years later. The fact that the babies die very close to the date of their shots is nothing more than coincendental. EXTENSIVE research has been done to prove that. And how do you explain the babies that died of SIDS before the vaccination? The percentage of healthy babies that have died from SIDS has never changed since biblical times! SIDS Network home page You will find much more accurate info here! Second of all, you are not helping deal with her grief by reading articles such as that at 3:00 in the morning. I hope you haven't shared this with her. The last thing she needs is to feel that she did something to cause 's death. Yes, getting her child immunizations is something she would have caused. If you believe this theory. When they say the government is keeping these facts from us, do you realize who the government is? They are PEOPLE. With CHILDREN. Who have gotten their SHOTS! I'm sorry if I am more than a little defensive about this , but I have been battling this stuff for 9 years now. Every time some one in my family reads something like this they point out something else I could have done to save n. THERE IS NOTHING I COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE JULIAN. AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT MELANIE COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE AMANDA. Babies die and there are numerous researchers out there trying to find out why. Please, if you still believe this, don't forward any more of these to me. And by all means, don't share them with ! Kelli

[Guest guest]

You can't convince anyone who doesn't want to be convinced. If you think there is a chance, ask her to show you the biblical tables on SIDS. Or is that tablets?

However, you might ask them to get the government stats on what the SIDS rate was prior to DPT vaccine. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there will be any such information. They keep saying the SIDS rate among the vaccinated is the same as the background rate. But the background has been vaccinated.

I'm trying to get information on SIDS and what I've gotten so far only goes back to 1983. It is possible there was very little SIDS prior to vaccination. Pertussis was recommended for all babies, according to NVIC, in 1944. DPT was recommended for routine use in 1947. It might even be necessary to go back to the period prior to smallpox vaccine, given that there clearly were serious adverse events associated with that vaccine, including encephalitis.

It shows a complete lack of curiosity (or worse) for someone to say an unexplained death, which is what SIDS is, could not have been caused by a vaccination which occurred within hours of the death. To not even wonder what caused the SIDS. To automatically assume it had nothing to do with it. Anything which occurred prior to an event should be considered, particularly immediately prior to it. Anything that commonly occurs prior to an event should be considered.

Way before there was proof that smoking caused cancer there was convincing coincidental evidence. For years the cigarette companies used the lack of "proof" to evade responsibility, even to warn users.

Finally, placing your belief in safety studies paid for by vaccine manufacturers makes no more sense than believing safety studies paid for by the cigarette companies.

As Ann Landers likes to say, "When are they going to wake up and smell the coffee?"

Sandy from Alaska

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDEDHERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUEDAS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TOBE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISIONWHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUEAND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOURHEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

help me respond

Help me reply to . She received this letter and is kinda on the fence on what to believe. I need documents to support our information. Thanks in advance. Jill , First of all REAL studies have shown that vaccinations do NOT in fact cause SIDS. I have attended 7 national conferences and 1 international conference and met researchers from literally all over the world. NONE of which has determined that SIDS is caused by vaccinations. Check the numbers on an accurate website instead of believing everything you read on the Internet. Yes, vaccinations can have adverse affects on some babies. About 1 in 500,000. Those are way better odds than what the death rate from Pertussis was 50 years ago. My husband and his brother both almost died from whooping cough as small children. There was never a question whether or not Abbey and Philip would be vaccinated. This vaccination theory started in 1985 after Geraldo did a show on children whom have had adverse affects. That started a panic which is still alive and well 15 years later. The fact that the babies die very close to the date of their shots is nothing more than coincendental. EXTENSIVE research has been done to prove that. And how do you explain the babies that died of SIDS before the vaccination? The percentage of healthy babies that have died from SIDS has never changed since biblical times! SIDS Network home page You will find much more accurate info here! Second of all, you are not helping deal with her grief by reading articles such as that at 3:00 in the morning. I hope you haven't shared this with her. The last thing she needs is to feel that she did something to cause 's death. Yes, getting her child immunizations is something she would have caused. If you believe this theory. When they say the government is keeping these facts from us, do you realize who the government is? They are PEOPLE. With CHILDREN. Who have gotten their SHOTS! I'm sorry if I am more than a little defensive about this , but I have been battling this stuff for 9 years now. Every time some one in my family reads something like this they point out something else I could have done to save n. THERE IS NOTHING I COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE JULIAN. AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT MELANIE COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE AMANDA. Babies die and there are numerous researchers out there trying to find out why. Please, if you still believe this, don't forward any more of these to me. And by all means, don't share them with ! Kelli

[Guest guest]

Yes, vaccinations can have adverse affects on some babies. About 1 in 500,000.

According to VAERS, a government funded agency, adverse affects are much higher.

.. My husband and his brother both almost died from whooping cough as small children.

But they didn't die, did they? And now they have a lifelong natural immunity.

The fact that the babies die very close to the date of their shots is nothing more than coincendental. EXTENSIVE research has been done to prove that.

No, the fact that it is coincedental is assumed. There are NO studies that prove that it is coincedence. This is a nice, conveinient statement that the doctors and pharmacuetical companies use to assure us that all is well in the world of vaccination.

Sharon, Quakertown PA

help me respond

Help me reply to . She received this letter and is kinda on the fence on what to believe. I need documents to support our information. Thanks in advance. Jill , First of all REAL studies have shown that vaccinations do NOT in fact cause SIDS. I have attended 7 national conferences and 1 international conference and met researchers from literally all over the world. NONE of which has determined that SIDS is caused by vaccinations. Check the numbers on an accurate website instead of believing everything you read on the Internet. Those are way better odds than what the death rate from Pertussis was 50 years ago There was never a question whether or not Abbey and Philip would be vaccinated. This vaccination theory started in 1985 after Geraldo did a show on children whom have had adverse affects. That started a panic which is still alive and well 15 years later. And how do you explain the babies that died of SIDS before the vaccination? The percentage of healthy babies that have died from SIDS has never changed since biblical times! SIDS Network home page You will find much more accurate info here! Second of all, you are not helping deal with her grief by reading articles such as that at 3:00 in the morning. I hope you haven't shared this with her. The last thing she needs is to feel that she did something to cause 's death. Yes, getting her child immunizations is something she would have caused. If you believe this theory. When they say the government is keeping these facts from us, do you realize who the government is? They are PEOPLE. With CHILDREN. Who have gotten their SHOTS! I'm sorry if I am more than a little defensive about this , but I have been battling this stuff for 9 years now. Every time some one in my family reads something like this they point out something else I could have done to save n. THERE IS NOTHING I COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE JULIAN. AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT MELANIE COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE AMANDA. Babies die and there are numerous researchers out there trying to find out why. Please, if you still believe this, don't forward any more of these to me. And by all means, don't share them with ! Kelli

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I sent the post before I was finished...

This vaccination theory started in 1985 after Geraldo did a show on children whom have had adverse affects

The concerns with vaccinations began as early as the first vaccine ever invented. (Someone help me here) Jonas Salk? who invented the smallpox (or polio)? had a 360 degree change in his convictions by the time he died, and publicly stated that vaccinations were harmful and dangerous.

And how do you explain the babies that died of SIDS before the vaccination?

Not ALL SIDS deaths are from vaccinations, but babies who are susceptible to reactions certainly have a higher percentage/chance of dying from SIDS.

The last thing she needs is to feel that she did something to cause 's death. Yes, getting her child immunizations is something she would have caused. If you believe this theory. This is SOOO LAME!!! There are so many parents whose babies have died of "SIDS", that know that it is vaccine related...they should not be blaming themselves...after all, they did what every good parent should do (according to the doctors and pharmacuetical companies who promote this thinking) and got their child vaccinated so they would be happy and healthy and live long, industrious lives. Hello...wake up...no one would blame the parent, unless the parent was informed that it could be a possible danger, and never investigated it. Would I have blamed myself if I never knew the dangers of vaccination and my child died for it? At first, maybe, but then ANGER and DISGUST would set in for the people who DID know the dangers, and put that poison out anyway, with a smile.

When they say the government is keeping these facts from us, do you realize who the government is? They are PEOPLE. With CHILDREN. Who have gotten their SHOTS!

Which brings me to...the government is run by people who have huge investments in the drug/vaccine manufacturers/industries. There are PEOPLE in the government with CHILDREN who have gotten their SHOTS who firmly believe that these vaccinations caused the injury or deaths of their children/grandchildren/nieces/nephews. Unfortunately, since they are the minority, so they don't get to make policies or pass bills, although they keep on trying.

THERE IS NOTHING I COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE JULIAN. AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT MELANIE COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE AMANDA.

Maybe not. But maybe you can save the life of your next child, or grandchild, by looking at all the data and studies that show that vaccines ARE dangerous and DO cause countless injuries and deaths, not to mention ongoing poor health, and compromised immune systems. Maybe instead of being so concerned with the fact that it could have been avoided (whether you knew that or not), you could be as concerned with it not happening again to yourself or someone else and keep your mind open enough to the possibilities that maybe the doctors and manufacturers and big government have a REASON for telling us one thing. A thing that contradicts what many independent doctors and scientists and parents are telling us, and proving to us.

And by all means, don't share them with ! Please, send them to . Not to lay a guilt trip on her, but to let her know that there are parents out there who know their babies have died of SIDS because of vaccine reactions, so that maybe can help someone else (or herself) not experience such painful grief again!

Sharon, Quakertown PA

help me respond

Help me reply to . She received this letter and is kinda on the fence on what to believe. I need documents to support our information. Thanks in advance. Jill , First of all REAL studies have shown that vaccinations do NOT in fact cause SIDS. I have attended 7 national conferences and 1 international conference and met researchers from literally all over the world. NONE of which has determined that SIDS is caused by vaccinations. Check the numbers on an accurate website instead of believing everything you read on the Internet. Yes, vaccinations can have adverse affects on some babies. About 1 in 500,000. Those are way better odds than what the death rate from Pertussis was 50 years ago. My husband and his brother both almost died from whooping cough as small children. There was never a question whether or not Abbey and Philip would be vaccinated. . That started a panic which is still alive and well 15 years later. The fact that the babies die very close to the date of their shots is nothing more than coincendental. EXTENSIVE research has been done to prove that. The percentage of healthy babies that have died from SIDS has never changed since biblical times! SIDS Network home page You will find much more accurate info here! Second of all, you are not helping deal with her grief by reading articles such as that at 3:00 in the morning. I hope you haven't shared this with her. I'm sorry if I am more than a little defensive about this , but I have been battling this stuff for 9 years now. Every time some one in my family reads something like this they point out something else I could have done to save n. Babies die and there are numerous researchers out there trying to find out why. Please, if you still believe this, don't forward any more of these to me. Kelli

[Guest guest]

This is how I feel about people like that. If a person is not ready to

accept information, nothing you do can change that. Most people will not

accept information unless it is on the 6, 0, clock news. I would leave the

person alone. If they came to me later with a concern I would talk to them,

but other then that, leave them alone. You do not have to justify your

beliefs and actions to anyone. There have been many situations where I have

seen a friend making terrible decisions and it really hurt my heart, but

there was nothing I could do about it. Everybody on this planet has a

different mission, and some people have to be let alone to experience.

Shanna

Atlanta GA

>From: " DeVan " <ietinc@...>

>Reply-Vaccinations

><Vaccinations >

>Subject: Re: help me respond

>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:21:10 -0500

>

>Yes, vaccinations can have adverse affects on some babies. About 1 in

>500,000.

>

>According to VAERS, a government funded agency, adverse affects are much

>higher.

>

>. My husband and his brother both almost died from whooping

>cough as small children.

>

>But they didn't die, did they? And now they have a lifelong natural

>immunity.

>

>The fact that

>the babies die very close to the date of their shots is nothing more than

>coincendental. EXTENSIVE research has been done to prove that.

>

>No, the fact that it is coincedental is assumed. There are NO studies that

>prove that it is coincedence. This is a nice, conveinient statement that

>the doctors and pharmacuetical companies use to assure us that all is well

>in the world of vaccination.

>Sharon, Quakertown PA

> help me respond

>

>

> Help me reply to . She received this letter and is kinda on the

>fence

> on what to believe. I need documents to support our information. Thanks

>in

> advance. Jill

>

>

>

> ,

>

> First of all REAL studies have shown that vaccinations do NOT in fact

>cause

> SIDS. I have attended 7 national conferences and 1 international

>conference

> and met researchers from literally all over the world. NONE of which

>has

> determined that SIDS is caused by vaccinations. Check the numbers on an

> accurate website instead of believing everything you read on the

>Internet.

> Those are way better odds than what the death rate from Pertussis

> was 50 years ago There was never a question whether or not Abbey and

> Philip would be vaccinated. This vaccination theory started in 1985

>after

> Geraldo did a show on children whom have had adverse affects.

>That

> started a panic which is still alive and well 15 years later. And how

>do

> you explain the babies that died of SIDS before the vaccination? The

> percentage of healthy babies that have died from SIDS has never changed

>since

> biblical times!

>

> SIDS Network home page

>

> You will find much more accurate info here!

>

> Second of all, you are not helping deal with her grief by

>reading

> articles such as that at 3:00 in the morning. I hope you haven't

>shared

> this with her. The last thing she needs is to feel that she did

>something to

> cause 's death. Yes, getting her child immunizations is something

>she

> would have caused. If you believe this theory.

>

> When they say the government is keeping these facts from us, do you

>realize

> who the government is? They are PEOPLE. With CHILDREN. Who have

>gotten

> their SHOTS! I'm sorry if I am more than a little defensive about this

> , but I have been battling this stuff for 9 years now. Every

>time

> some one in my family reads something like this they point out something

>else

> I could have done to save n.

>

> THERE IS NOTHING I COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE JULIAN. AND THERE IS NOTHING

>THAT

> MELANIE COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE AMANDA. Babies die and there are

>numerous

> researchers out there trying to find out why.

>

> Please, if you still believe this, don't forward any more of these to

>me.

> And by all means, don't share them with !

>

> Kelli

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I guess the author of that letter went through the same ordeal. She lost her baby to SIDS. She herself is refusing to see the link because she would feel guilty herself because she had vaccinated her own child too.

Maybe I am off with this but that's what I read into her letter.

She doesn't want to go through that guilty feeling. So she is in complete denial and grasping statements that cannot be proved.

It is difficult for a parent to face facts after such a loss and I can understand why she rather plugs up her ears but it is still important to make her see reality. Shots are given routinely and only a small percentage is ever reflecting on this routine. So why should a parent have to blame herself for doing what the "god in white" is telling her to do? She just didn't know any better.

I know guilt will still come, I have been there, but time will heal it and ultimately take it away.

a.

help me respond

Help me reply to . She received this letter and is kinda on the fence on what to believe. I need documents to support our information. Thanks in advance. Jill , First of all REAL studies have shown that vaccinations do NOT in fact cause SIDS. I have attended 7 national conferences and 1 international conference and met researchers from literally all over the world. NONE of which has determined that SIDS is caused by vaccinations. Check the numbers on an accurate website instead of believing everything you read on the Internet. Yes, vaccinations can have adverse affects on some babies. About 1 in 500,000. Those are way better odds than what the death rate from Pertussis was 50 years ago. My husband and his brother both almost died from whooping cough as small children. There was never a question whether or not Abbey and Philip would be vaccinated. This vaccination theory started in 1985 after Geraldo did a show on children whom have had adverse affects. That started a panic which is still alive and well 15 years later. The fact that the babies die very close to the date of their shots is nothing more than coincendental. EXTENSIVE research has been done to prove that. And how do you explain the babies that died of SIDS before the vaccination? The percentage of healthy babies that have died from SIDS has never changed since biblical times! SIDS Network home page You will find much more accurate info here! Second of all, you are not helping deal with her grief by reading articles such as that at 3:00 in the morning. I hope you haven't shared this with her. The last thing she needs is to feel that she did something to cause 's death. Yes, getting her child immunizations is something she would have caused. If you believe this theory. When they say the government is keeping these facts from us, do you realize who the government is? They are PEOPLE. With CHILDREN. Who have gotten their SHOTS! I'm sorry if I am more than a little defensive about this , but I have been battling this stuff for 9 years now. Every time some one in my family reads something like this they point out something else I could have done to save n. THERE IS NOTHING I COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE JULIAN. AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT MELANIE COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE AMANDA. Babies die and there are numerous researchers out there trying to find out why. Please, if you still believe this, don't forward any more of these to me. And by all means, don't share them with ! Kelli

[Guest guest]

I feel bad that I didn't deal with the guilt in my response - I know it is a sad, terrible problem in this situation. But more children will continue to be adversely affected by vaccines if the parents don't face the truth. And the truth is these parents were told by people they trusted what to do (i.e., vaccinate), but in order to help other parents avoid similar tragedies, they must face the fact that vaccines are more injurious than we have been told. And even better, if they can bear to do so, speak out. Sandy from Alaska

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDEDHERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUEDAS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TOBE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISIONWHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUEAND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOURHEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

help me respond

Help me reply to . She received this letter and is kinda on the fence on what to believe. I need documents to support our information. Thanks in advance. Jill , First of all REAL studies have shown that vaccinations do NOT in fact cause SIDS. I have attended 7 national conferences and 1 international conference and met researchers from literally all over the world. NONE of which has determined that SIDS is caused by vaccinations. Check the numbers on an accurate website instead of believing everything you read on the Internet. Yes, vaccinations can have adverse affects on some babies. About 1 in 500,000. Those are way better odds than what the death rate from Pertussis was 50 years ago. My husband and his brother both almost died from whooping cough as small children. There was never a question whether or not Abbey and Philip would be vaccinated. This vaccination theory started in 1985 after Geraldo did a show on children whom have had adverse affects. That started a panic which is still alive and well 15 years later. The fact that the babies die very close to the date of their shots is nothing more than coincendental. EXTENSIVE research has been done to prove that. And how do you explain the babies that died of SIDS before the vaccination? The percentage of healthy babies that have died from SIDS has never changed since biblical times! SIDS Network home page You will find much more accurate info here! Second of all, you are not helping deal with her grief by reading articles such as that at 3:00 in the morning. I hope you haven't shared this with her. The last thing she needs is to feel that she did something to cause 's death. Yes, getting her child immunizations is something she would have caused. If you believe this theory. When they say the government is keeping these facts from us, do you realize who the government is? They are PEOPLE. With CHILDREN. Who have gotten their SHOTS! I'm sorry if I am more than a little defensive about this , but I have been battling this stuff for 9 years now. Every time some one in my family reads something like this they point out something else I could have done to save n. THERE IS NOTHING I COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE JULIAN. AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT MELANIE COULD HAVE DONE TO SAVE AMANDA. Babies die and there are numerous researchers out there trying to find out why. Please, if you still believe this, don't forward any more of these to me. And by all means, don't share them with ! Kelli

[Guest guest]

At 10:06 AM 02/08/2001 -0600, you wrote:

> I guess the author of that letter went through the same ordeal. She

>lost her baby to SIDS. She herself is refusing to see the link because she

>would feel guilty herself because she had vaccinated her own child too.

>Maybe I am off with this but that's what I read into her letter. She

>doesn't want to go through that guilty feeling. So she is in

>complete denial and grasping statements that cannot be proved. her see

>reality. Shots are given routinely and only a small percentage is ever

>reflecting on this routine. So why should a parent have to blame herself

>for doing what the " god in white " is telling her to do? She just didn't

>know any better. I know guilt will still come, I have been there, but time

>will heal it and ultimately take it away. a. ----- Original

Dawn Winkler lost her baby to SIDS and it took her a lot of time to really

come to an understanding that it was the vaxs. She tries to go on SIDS

lists and she gets kicked off. The official stand is vaccines don't do it.

It is really unreal the denial.

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

530-478-1242 Voicemail

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

Phew- good response...

Lori

help me respond

Help me reply to . She received this letter and is kinda on the fence on what to believe. I need documents to support our information. Thanks in advance. Jill , First of all REAL studies have shown that vaccinations do NOT in fact cause SIDS. I have attended 7 national conferences and 1 international conference and met researchers from literally all over the world. NONE of which has determined that SIDS is caused by vaccinations. Check the numbers on an accurate website instead of believing everything you read on the Internet. Yes, vaccinations can have adverse affects on some babies. About 1 in 500,000. Those are way better odds than what the death rate from Pertussis was 50 years ago. My husband and his brother both almost died from whooping cough as small children. There was never a question whether or not Abbey and Philip would be vaccinated. . That started a panic which is still alive and well 15 years later. The fact that the babies die very close to the date of their shots is nothing more than coincendental. EXTENSIVE research has been done to prove that. The percentage of healthy babies that have died from SIDS has never changed since biblical times! SIDS Network home page You will find much more accurate info here! Second of all, you are not helping deal with her grief by reading articles such as that at 3:00 in the morning. I hope you haven't shared this with her. I'm sorry if I am more than a little defensive about this , but I have been battling this stuff for 9 years now. Every time some one in my family reads something like this they point out something else I could have done to save n. Babies die and there are numerous researchers out there trying to find out why. Please, if you still believe this, don't forward any more of these to me. Kelli

[Guest guest]

Re: help me respond

I guess the author of that letter went through the same ordeal. She lost her baby to SIDS. She herself is refusing to see the link

because she would feel guilty herself because she had vaccinated her own child too.

That is what really got me about that letter...this woman seems more concerned with not blaming herself, than actually discovering what could have caused the SIDS. That is SO SAD, and SO NOT RIGHT, because she is trying to influence other people to think like this also. She will never see the light, because she WANTS to be in the dark...the light would hurt her eyes....

Sharon, Quakertown PA

[Guest guest]

A principal getting fined for your child not undergoing a medical

procedure? Good grief, it's getting so insane. What if your kid had

chicken pox. They gonna try & force him to take it anyway?

It's my understanding every state has religious/philosophical exemptions.

Debi

[Guest guest]

Where is the ACLU? Maybe if it was passed by the republicans we'd have

a better chance of getting them to respresent us.

Debi

>

> If this is true, it isin violation of the

> constitution. I am sure any constitutional lawyer

> would love to jump on this one. (Fines) Bottom line:

> You just can't force human beings to inject a foreing

> substance in their bodies. Criminals have more

> privacy rights- Unbelievable!

[Guest guest]

Here is the Georgia Law. And there is a exempt from immunization on

religious grounds.

Immunizations and Waivers

Georgia Law requires a certificate of immunization for a student to be

enrolled in a public

school. http://dhr.georgia.gov/02/dhr/home/0,2274,5696,00.html

All students, regardless of grade and including foreign exchange

students, must have

the Georgia Department of Human Resources (DHR)

http://dhr.georgia.gov/dhr/dhr/factsheets/factsheetimmunization04.pdf

immunization certificate on file unless any of the following

situations exist:

1. Medical exemption authorized by a medical doctor

2. Waiver of 30 calendar days granted to Georgia residents by the

superintendent or

designee

3. Waiver of 90 calendar days granted by the superintendent or

designee to students

entering Georgia public schools from out of state, provided that

documentation is on file

from the county health department or a medical doctor stating that an

immunization

sequence has been started and can be completed within the 90-day

waiver period

4. Conflict with religious beliefs verified by parents' sworn affidavit

VACCINATION EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO THE OFFICIAL CODE OF

GEORGIA ANNOTATED § 20-2-771 4. (e) This Code section shall not apply to a

child whose parent or legal guardian objects to immunization of the

child on the

grounds that the immunization conflicts with the religious beliefs of

the parent or

guardian; however, the immunization may be required in cases when such

disease is in epidemic stages. For a child to be exempt from

immunization on

religious grounds, the parent or guardian must first furnish the

responsible official

of the school or facility an affidavit in which the parent or guardian

swears or

affirms that the immunization required conflicts with the religious

beliefs of the

parent or guardian.

Your decision to vaccinate or not should be an informed decision. For

More Information

to make a truly informed decision there are numerous sources of

information on the risks

of vaccines and the risks and benefits of childhood diseases. Sources

of information to

determine if the risks associated with vaccines outweigh any perceived

benefits include:

vaccine package inserts, the Physicians Desk Reference, the U.S.

Centers for Disease

Control and Prevention, public and medical libraries, or state and

local health agencies.

Vaccination Liberation – www.vaclib.org or (888) 249-1421 National Vaccine

Information Center – www.909shot.com or (800) 909-SHOT / (703)

938-0324 (NOTE:

These two websites, Vaccination Liberation and the National Vaccine

Information

Center, have proven to be excellent sources for extensive vaccine

information.)

[Guest guest]

Kim,

The truth is that the chickenpox vaccine only provides immunity for

several years at best. Having natural immunity from actually having

chickenpox gives you lifelong immunity from chickenpox. But you can

still get shingles later in life. Dr. Weil wrote a column in AARP

magazine recently, and although I disagreed with most of it, he did

mention that he thought the chickenpox vaccine is not such a great

idea. Here's an excerpt:

" Nor am I sure we should vaccinate all children against chickenpox.

For most people, getting chickenpox confers lifelong immunity, but

the vaccine does not. And catching the disease as an adult is more

dangerous than getting it over with in childhood. " --Dr. Weil from

http://www.aarpmagazine.org/health//dr_debunker_vaccines.html

Also, the article is misleading people by not mentioning the fact

that there are religious and medical exemptions available. They must

be talking about people without any documentation. It is certainly a

one-sided view. Please write in and give a good rebuttal. I may as

well.

Greg

>

> Here's what showed up on the front page of Savannah's paper today

> I need help with my facts to reply

> Where is the information that shows that having chickenpox as a

child

> and being exposed to chickepox as an adult provides you immunity to

> shingles?

> Can a principal really get fined $100 a day for an unvaccinated

child?

> Can't an unvaccinated child get file an exemption?

> I want to write a reply

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

> A shortage means some kids will get a vaccination extension for

school

> entry Savannah Morning News by Landers

>

> Getting into kindergarten got a little more painful this year.

Hadley

> Spencer knows it.

>

> The 5-year-old winced and then cried a little as she received the

> chickenpox vaccination Monday at the Chatham County Health

Department.

>

> But while it might not have felt like it as the needle approached,

the

> rising Hesse Elementary School student is among the lucky ones.

>

> New state requirements, coupled with the chickenpox virus' use in

the

> creation of another medication, are depleting some local sources of

> the vaccine.

>

> Some private pediatricians have run out of it, as did the Effingham

> County Health Department, said nne Pappas, immunization

> coordinator for the Coastal Health District.

>

> A second dose of that vaccine and a second dose of the mumps vaccine

> are new requirements this year for kindergartners and sixth-graders

> attending Georgia schools. Children entering Georgia schools for the

> first time will also need the additional doses.

>

> The new requirements, which went into effect July 1, are based on

> guidelines developed by the Centers for Disease Control and

> Prevention. Pappas said other states also are adopting similar

guidelines.

>

> The virus used in the chickenpox vaccine also is used in a newly

> developed adult vaccine for shingles, further depleting resources.

>

> Consequently, children who have all their needed shots except for

> chickenpox can receive an immunization certificate good until Oct. 1

> to give them extra time to get vaccinated.

>

> Ordinarily, children whose vaccinations are not up-to-date cannot

> attend school.

>

> Chatham County schools are audited for compliance with immunization

> laws. Last year, about 96 percent of students had valid

certificates,

> Pappas said.

>

> " Technically, the principals can be held responsible, " she said.

> " Principals and parents can be fined $100 a day. "

>

> Chickenpox can be a serious illness. Complications include bacterial

> infection of the skin, swelling of the brain and pneumonia,

according

> to the CDC. Adolescents and adults are more at risk for severe

disease.

>

> Vaccinating children results in less illness and school time missed

> and less danger of severe infection among persons who cannot be

> vaccinated.

>

> " You need the vaccines to get into school and day care, " Pappas

said.

>

> " But the real reason is to prevent disease. "

>

> For Hadley and others, the chickenpox shot is the rite of passage

the

> disease itself used to be.

>

> The little girl's grandmother, Connie , cheered her on

through

> her tears.

>

> " You're the bravest girl I know. "

>

> New vaccine requirements

>

> Changes to Georgia's vaccination requirements include:

>

> A second dose of chickenpox vaccine and a second dose of mumps

vaccine

> (or laboratory proof of immunity or a physician-documented history

of

> the disease for either) for children entering kindergarten, sixth

> grade or students entering a Georgia school for the first time in

any

> grade.

>

> The hepatitis A vaccine (or laboratory proof of immunity) for

children

> born on or after Jan. 1, 2006, who are enrolled in school or

> child-care facilities.

>

> The vaccine to prevent pneumonia for children younger than 5

enrolled

> in child-care centers, pre-k or Head Start.

>

[Guest guest]

Most states do set requirements for schools to reach certain goals in regards to number of children that need to be vaccinated. It wouldn't surprise me at all that Georgia(being the home of the CDC) has such a law on the books stating thata parent can be fined or a principal. I suspect that this has not occurred, but I could be wrong. Look, this article was written with those scare tactics in mind-you know how THOSE people work it. And we know that lots of people in Ga. are not aware that anyone can file an exemption for their child. MaurineDebi <fightingautism@...> wrote: A principal getting fined for your child not undergoing a medicalprocedure? Good grief, it's getting so insane. What if your kid hadchicken pox. They gonna try & force him to take it anyway?It's my understanding every state has religious/philosophical exemptions.Debi

Got a little couch potato?

Check out fun summer activities for kids.

[Guest guest]

You know, on this same page... I know that my son's autism was

caused by the HepB shots...he had the one in the hospital and then

his pediatrican started the series over again (which now I know to

be pretty standard procedure) and so he got 4 shots that were 9-14

times the allowed amount of mercury by EPA standards. Now the study

comes out saying these vaccines wear off by age 15, and it's a

disease caused by sex and needles sharing. So, HELLO, he never

needed these shots to begin with. Friends and family suffer from

shingles. It is more than I can take.

Is this true about 100 fines for principals?

> >

> > Here's what showed up on the front page of Savannah's paper today

> > I need help with my facts to reply

> > Where is the information that shows that having chickenpox as a

> child

> > and being exposed to chickepox as an adult provides you immunity

to

> > shingles?

> > Can a principal really get fined $100 a day for an unvaccinated

> child?

> > Can't an unvaccinated child get file an exemption?

> > I want to write a reply

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > A shortage means some kids will get a vaccination extension for

> school

> > entry Savannah Morning News by Landers

> >

> > Getting into kindergarten got a little more painful this year.

> Hadley

> > Spencer knows it.

> >

> > The 5-year-old winced and then cried a little as she received the

> > chickenpox vaccination Monday at the Chatham County Health

> Department.

> >

> > But while it might not have felt like it as the needle

approached,

> the

> > rising Hesse Elementary School student is among the lucky ones.

> >

> > New state requirements, coupled with the chickenpox virus' use

in

> the

> > creation of another medication, are depleting some local sources

of

> > the vaccine.

> >

> > Some private pediatricians have run out of it, as did the

Effingham

> > County Health Department, said nne Pappas, immunization

> > coordinator for the Coastal Health District.

> >

> > A second dose of that vaccine and a second dose of the mumps

vaccine

> > are new requirements this year for kindergartners and sixth-

graders

> > attending Georgia schools. Children entering Georgia schools for

the

> > first time will also need the additional doses.

> >

> > The new requirements, which went into effect July 1, are based on

> > guidelines developed by the Centers for Disease Control and

> > Prevention. Pappas said other states also are adopting similar

> guidelines.

> >

> > The virus used in the chickenpox vaccine also is used in a newly

> > developed adult vaccine for shingles, further depleting

resources.

> >

> > Consequently, children who have all their needed shots except for

> > chickenpox can receive an immunization certificate good until

Oct. 1

> > to give them extra time to get vaccinated.

> >

> > Ordinarily, children whose vaccinations are not up-to-date cannot

> > attend school.

> >

> > Chatham County schools are audited for compliance with

immunization

> > laws. Last year, about 96 percent of students had valid

> certificates,

> > Pappas said.

> >

> > " Technically, the principals can be held responsible, " she said.

> > " Principals and parents can be fined $100 a day. "

> >

> > Chickenpox can be a serious illness. Complications include

bacterial

> > infection of the skin, swelling of the brain and pneumonia,

> according

> > to the CDC. Adolescents and adults are more at risk for severe

> disease.

> >

> > Vaccinating children results in less illness and school time

missed

> > and less danger of severe infection among persons who cannot be

> > vaccinated.

> >

> > " You need the vaccines to get into school and day care, " Pappas

> said.

> >

> > " But the real reason is to prevent disease. "

> >

> > For Hadley and others, the chickenpox shot is the rite of

passage

> the

> > disease itself used to be.

> >

> > The little girl's grandmother, Connie , cheered her on

> through

> > her tears.

> >

> > " You're the bravest girl I know. "

> >

> > New vaccine requirements

> >

> > Changes to Georgia's vaccination requirements include:

> >

> > A second dose of chickenpox vaccine and a second dose of mumps

> vaccine

> > (or laboratory proof of immunity or a physician-documented

history

> of

> > the disease for either) for children entering kindergarten, sixth

> > grade or students entering a Georgia school for the first time

in

> any

> > grade.

> >

> > The hepatitis A vaccine (or laboratory proof of immunity) for

> children

> > born on or after Jan. 1, 2006, who are enrolled in school or

> > child-care facilities.

> >

> > The vaccine to prevent pneumonia for children younger than 5

> enrolled

> > in child-care centers, pre-k or Head Start.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Somehow I knew Jeffy would come through for GA vaccine law!

Debi

>

> Here is the Georgia Law. And there is a exempt from immunization on

> religious grounds.

>

> Immunizations and Waivers

> Georgia Law requires a certificate of immunization for a student to be

> enrolled in a public

> school. http://dhr.georgia.gov/02/dhr/home/0,2274,5696,00.html

> All students, regardless of grade and including foreign exchange

> students, must have

> the Georgia Department of Human Resources (DHR)

> http://dhr.georgia.gov/dhr/dhr/factsheets/factsheetimmunization04.pdf

> immunization certificate on file unless any of the following

> situations exist:

> 1. Medical exemption authorized by a medical doctor

> 2. Waiver of 30 calendar days granted to Georgia residents by the

> superintendent or

> designee

> 3. Waiver of 90 calendar days granted by the superintendent or

> designee to students

> entering Georgia public schools from out of state, provided that

> documentation is on file

> from the county health department or a medical doctor stating that an

> immunization

> sequence has been started and can be completed within the 90-day

> waiver period

> 4. Conflict with religious beliefs verified by parents' sworn affidavit

> VACCINATION EXEMPTION PURSUANT TO THE OFFICIAL CODE OF

> GEORGIA ANNOTATED § 20-2-771 4. (e) This Code section shall not

apply to a

> child whose parent or legal guardian objects to immunization of the

> child on the

> grounds that the immunization conflicts with the religious beliefs of

> the parent or

> guardian; however, the immunization may be required in cases when such

> disease is in epidemic stages. For a child to be exempt from

> immunization on

> religious grounds, the parent or guardian must first furnish the

> responsible official

> of the school or facility an affidavit in which the parent or guardian

> swears or

> affirms that the immunization required conflicts with the religious

> beliefs of the

> parent or guardian.

> Your decision to vaccinate or not should be an informed decision. For

> More Information

> to make a truly informed decision there are numerous sources of

> information on the risks

> of vaccines and the risks and benefits of childhood diseases. Sources

> of information to

> determine if the risks associated with vaccines outweigh any perceived

> benefits include:

> vaccine package inserts, the Physicians Desk Reference, the U.S.

> Centers for Disease

> Control and Prevention, public and medical libraries, or state and

> local health agencies.

> Vaccination Liberation – www.vaclib.org or (888) 249-1421 National

Vaccine

> Information Center – www.909shot.com or (800) 909-SHOT / (703)

> 938-0324 (NOTE:

> These two websites, Vaccination Liberation and the National Vaccine

> Information

> Center, have proven to be excellent sources for extensive vaccine

> information.)

>

[Guest guest]

Speaking of, if anyone's child ever comes down with actual chicken

pox, please rub a napkin or something on the sores & mail it to me! I

have one child who hasn't contracted yet.

Debi

[Guest guest]

or someone with the shingles-that would work too. MaurineDebi <fightingautism@...> wrote: Speaking of, if anyone's child ever comes down with actual chickenpox, please rub a napkin or something on the sores & mail it to me! Ihave one child who hasn't contracted yet.Debi

Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel.

[Guest guest]

Neither WV nor MS have either religious or

philosophical exemption to mandated vaccination.

And only 19 states have philosophical exemptions (TX

become #19 in 2005). Some states will fight religious

exemption attempts by trying to prove that the

individual does not belong to a recognized religion

with established objections to specific medical

processes (like the Jehova Witnesses for example).

Keep in mind that along with the punitive measures

taken against school personnel for failure to enforce

the CDC's will (which really places principals and

others in a very tough spot), the CDC also rewards

State Dept. of Health with cash for achieving

immunization quotas.

Not everyone involved in the process is corrupt (i.e.

taking money from Pharma to get compliance). Some are

doing what they truly believe to be the right thing,

because the mainstream has a very effective propoganda

machine in place which clouds the issue with

half-truths, innuendos and pseudo-science.

And there is some degree of disinformation bandied by

those who oppose vaccinations. One example is the

oft-repeated statement that children born before the

80's did not receive thimerosal; in truth, thimerosal

was first added to the diptheria vaccine in 1931, and

has been present in the DTwP since its adoption in the

40's. What changed in the 80's was the timing of the

exposure and even more significantly the total

accumulated exposure to thimerosal from vaccines.

Medicine and science are not supposed to be about

dogma or opinion, they are supposed to be about truth

that can be tested and replicated.

Re: Help me respond

Posted by: " Debi " fightingautism@...

fightingautism

Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:19 pm (PST)

A principal getting fined for your child not

undergoing a medical

procedure? Good grief, it's getting so insane. What if

your kid had

chicken pox. They gonna try & force him to take it

anyway?

It's my understanding every state has

religious/philosoph ical exemptions.

Debi

________________________________________________________________________________\

____

Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for

today's economy) at Games.

http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow

[Guest guest]

Add to that in Mississippi you WILL NOT get an exemption for medical

reasons...said the head of the state health department to me on the

phone " You son is already disabled, what harm can keeping his

vaccines up to date really do? " gguurr.

>

> Neither WV nor MS have either religious or

> philosophical exemption to mandated vaccination.

>

> And only 19 states have philosophical exemptions (TX

> become #19 in 2005). Some states will fight religious

> exemption attempts by trying to prove that the

> individual does not belong to a recognized religion

> with established objections to specific medical

> processes (like the Jehova Witnesses for example).

>

> Keep in mind that along with the punitive measures

> taken against school personnel for failure to enforce

> the CDC's will (which really places principals and

> others in a very tough spot), the CDC also rewards

> State Dept. of Health with cash for achieving

> immunization quotas.

>

> Not everyone involved in the process is corrupt (i.e.

> taking money from Pharma to get compliance). Some are

> doing what they truly believe to be the right thing,

> because the mainstream has a very effective propoganda

> machine in place which clouds the issue with

> half-truths, innuendos and pseudo-science.

>

> And there is some degree of disinformation bandied by

> those who oppose vaccinations. One example is the

> oft-repeated statement that children born before the

> 80's did not receive thimerosal; in truth, thimerosal

> was first added to the diptheria vaccine in 1931, and

> has been present in the DTwP since its adoption in the

> 40's. What changed in the 80's was the timing of the

> exposure and even more significantly the total

> accumulated exposure to thimerosal from vaccines.

>

> Medicine and science are not supposed to be about

> dogma or opinion, they are supposed to be about truth

> that can be tested and replicated.

>

> Re: Help me respond

> Posted by: " Debi " fightingautism@...

> fightingautism

> Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:19 pm (PST)

> A principal getting fined for your child not

> undergoing a medical

> procedure? Good grief, it's getting so insane. What if

> your kid had

> chicken pox. They gonna try & force him to take it

> anyway?

>

> It's my understanding every state has

> religious/philosoph ical exemptions.

>

> Debi

>

>

>

>

>

______________________________________________________________________

______________

> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's

updated for today's economy) at Games.

> http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow

>

[Guest guest]

So what do you do if you live in WV or MS?

>

> Neither WV nor MS have either religious or

> philosophical exemption to mandated vaccination.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Homeschool

or fudge records.

Becky

Re: Help me

respond

So what do you do if you live in WV or MS?

>

> Neither WV nor MS have either religious or

> philosophical exemption to mandated vaccination.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jab your kids and deal with the consequences (should

they arise) or move across state lines to a more

civilized area.

Posted by: " melindafaith2005 " iadebners@...

melindafaith2005

Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:14 pm (PST)

So what do you do if you live in WV or MS?

________________________________________________________________________________\

____

Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with

FareChase.

http://farechase./

[Guest guest]

I have heard some parents have supplied forged immunization records.

Oh, the things we do for love. . .

Lenny

>

> Jab your kids and deal with the consequences (should

> they arise) or move across state lines to a more

> civilized area.

>

> Posted by: " melindafaith2005 " iadebners@...

> melindafaith2005

> Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:14 pm (PST)

> So what do you do if you live in WV or MS?

>

>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________________\

____

> Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with

FareChase.

> http://farechase./

>