OT - What should I do - baby sick

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His fever has gone up to 103.2 now - I'm very worried.

Chelly

San Diego, CA

Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

[Guest guest]

Is your child very miserable? the fever itself is a good sign it means his body

is fighting. My suggestion is too put him in a tepid bath....lots of fluids and

if he is totally miserable then consider taking him in. If you think its

something other than viral...a virus won't let the body raise past 105 I

believe....if you think he has a bacterial infection thats a whole other matter.

Try giving garlique tablets ( if he can take them) vit C til bowel tolerance,

some goldenseal to dry up that mucous...and some home made pedialyte.

Dianne Bolton, Midwife

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Chelly,

Just make sure he doesn't get dehydrated -- give him plenty of fluids. I just give my kiddos ice water, but other mommies say to give hot liquids, so I don't know there. I just know what works for us. I dress them with light clothes, and keep an eye on the fever. I am not as all natural as the other Moms on this list (I'm still in the learning mode) so I don't know what to tell you as far as what to give to bring the fever down. I try not to panic too much if the fever isn't over 103 because the fever fights the virus/bacteria and it's the immune system doing it's job. But if it goes over that, I do give a non-asprin fever reducer because my kids have had seizures before with high fevers.

There was an excellent post on here a few days ago about hydrogen peroxide in the ears for flus and colds...look those up and use them. I never have, but I am going to from now on.

Karla in Indiana <~~~I know, I'm not much help.

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My other response obviously doesn't work in a 17 month old. However I really

trust moms and I think if your gut tells you something is really wrong...you

need to do something about it......vaccines have nothing to do with it, I

would leave out that info. If infact Rotovirus is going around , there is

nothing you can do but keep him hydrated. Make some pedialyte and keep him as

comfy as possible. I disagree that advil or tylenol will deminish his immune

system...yes the fever is a sign of a healthy response but if you are

planning to go in to a doctor, do what you know they will do first....if he

is that sick and that uncomfortable try the advil with something to eat ...it

can irritate the stomache lining, if nothing other than soda crackers. Try

liquid elderberry, and some vit c...maybe a smoothie with rice milk and some

greens added to it. I personally think if you are considering the doctor than

its time to pull out some medicine......I am also a master herbalist, but I

recognise the time and place for some " conventional " medicine.

Good Luck,

Dianne Bolton, Midwife

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In a message dated 1/20/01 6:55:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, azxure@... writes:

And do NOT ever use COLD water or COLD sheets. Sorry, Sharon, but that is

dangerous. If the temperature if very high, lukewarm water

hi chelly,

i must say that i do agree with sheri---you should NEVER use cold water or sheets or anything--only tepid/lukewarm!! also, i would try not to worry too much--103, 104 isn't too, too high for a small child--it'd be worse for an adult. try to just let him be for a bit and let his body do its job--i know it's hard to do, but unless he is listless and has other symptoms that are making you scared, try to let him be for awhile and see how he makes out. good luck!!

brigit

(in albany)

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Hi Chelly...sorry to hear about your little one. I am not a doctor, but it sounds like flu symptoms. Sometimes when the little ones get mucousy, and cough alot, the coughing makes them vomit. I personally would go to a naturopathic or homeopathic doctor, just because they aren't going to give you alot of synthetic/toxic medications that would actually prolong his illness. The watery, yellow poop and his listlessness are what would make me go. Other wise, I would just wait it out for a few days and watch him, and give him acidophilous for his bowels, echinacea (spell) for infections/bacteria, vitamin A (water soluble), and vitamin C (or vitamin C foods that are not citrus based). Again, I am not a doctor, and would probably go to see my naturopath...Sharon, Quakertown, PA.

OT - What should I do - baby sick

Hi Everyone, I am sorry about another OT, I just don't know who else to ask. Since yesterday my little guy has been sick (he is 17 months) He started with coughing and then he'd throw up, he has a fever of about 100 and is not his active self. He doesn't want to play, he just wants to lay around. His eyes are watery and he has a runny nose. He also has watery yellow colored poop. I am worried and don't know what I should do. He doesn't have a doctor (no shots or anything). On the news the other night they were saying that there have been a number of Rotovirus cases in San Diego. Please tell me what I should do - or what I should look out for. Should he go to the doctor and when? Thank you for helping out.! Chelly

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Put him in a lukewarm (cool, not cold bath) to try to help bring his fever down a little. He's too young to let his fever get any higher without the possibility of negative consequences, although they most likely would not occur. Don't give him Tylenol or Advil for children, as these would only hinder his system. After the bath, you can wrap him in a sheet, wrung out with COLD water, and wrap him and the sheet in a wool blanket to help draw out the illness. This will initially feel very cold to him, but his body heat will soon heat up the sheet, and it will feel better. Also, monitor his temperature during this time to make sure it does not go way up again, from the body heat. Again, I am not a doctor, but this was very effective with my girlfriends little girl...Sharon, Quakertown,PA.

Re: OT - What should I do - baby sick

His fever has gone up to 103.2 now - I'm very worried. Chelly San Diego, CA Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

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PS, he is supposed to stay wrapped until the sheet has dried. This process can be repeated...Sharon

Re: OT - What should I do - baby sick

His fever has gone up to 103.2 now - I'm very worried. Chelly San Diego, CA Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I am sorry about another OT, I just don't know who else to ask.

Since yesterday my little guy has been sick (he is 17 months) He started

with coughing and then he'd throw up, he has a fever of about 100 and is not

his active self. He doesn't want to play, he just wants to lay around. His

eyes are watery and he has a runny nose. He also has watery yellow colored

poop.

I am worried and don't know what I should do. He doesn't have a doctor (no

shots or anything). On the news the other night they were saying that there

have been a number of Rotovirus cases in San Diego.

Please tell me what I should do - or what I should look out for. Should he

go to the doctor and when?

Thank you for helping out.!

Chelly

***

Is he drinking fluids? That is the important thing. That he is

drinking enough. But the fever is not that high. Can you give him some

extra vit C and A. I doubt that its rotavirus.

I have some good homeopaths in San Diego - sounds like that would help him

if he doesn't start to get better on his own or his symptoms get worse and

are painful or severe. Otherwise from what you've said, it doesn't sound

too worrisome yet. Although I know as his mom you're worried.

Here is a good one who comes highly recommended

Mann, Lic. Ac.

1268 Birch Ave.

Escondido CA 92027

760-741-7875

izekman@...

He is trained in an excellent program, has more than 10 years of sole

homeopathic practice and is recommed as the best in S. Calif by a homeopath

who used to be there. He has run a homeopathic school for 2 years and

teaches and lectures.

It appears that he is an acupuncturist too (very probably to just be able

to practice legally). Homepathy is not legal nor is it illegal. It is in

the grey area.

Sheri

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If he is a little dehydrated that will make the temp a little higher. Call

that homepath I gave you the number for.

If you can't reach him, call one of the others on the list in San Diego area

http://www.homeopathy-cures.com/referral.htm

And do NOT ever use COLD water or COLD sheets. Sorry, Sharon, but that is

dangerous. If the temperature if very high, lukewarm water

Agree with the no tylenol, etc. - very hard on liver and especially needs

liver to function well if ill.

Sheri

At 04:29 PM 01/20/2001 -0500, you wrote:

> lukewarm (cool, not cold bath) to try to help bring his fever down a

>little. He's too young to let his fever get any higher without the

>possibility of negative consequences, although they most likely would not

>occur. Don't give him Tylenol or Advil for children, as these would only

>hinder his system. After the bath, you can wrap him in a sheet, wrung out

>with COLD water, and wrap him and the sheet in a wool blanket to help draw

>out the illness. This will initially feel very cold to him, but his body

>heat will soon heat up the sheet, and it will feel better. Also, monitor

>his temperature during this time to make sure it does not go way up again,

>from the body heat. Again, I am not a doctor, but this was very effective

>with my girlfriends little girl...Sharon, Quakertown,PA. ----- Original

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>Subject: Re: OT - What should I do - baby sick

>His fever has gone up to 103.2 now - I'm very worried.

>

>Chelly

>San Diego, CA

>Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

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JMO, but as long as he's staying hydrated, the fever is just his body

WORKING, fighting infection very effectively. Try not to worry. We

like belladonna (homeopathic) for fevers, but only if he fits the symptom

picture. Hopefully some of the other folks will have more suggestions.

(homeopaths, are you out there? *grin*) Good luck, Namaste, Gretchen (in

Lexington, KY)

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:53:05 EST Trentonsmom@... writes:

> His fever has gone up to 103.2 now - I'm very worried.

>

> Chelly

> San Diego, CA

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I still say NO cold water or sheets.

And Tylenol and Advil is NOT a good way to go - I am convinced that many of

the complications we see are not from the illness but from the liver

suppression by Tylenol or Advil. Of course you have to do what you are

comfortable with.

What you have described sounds somewhat like Gelsemium and that is what

some homeopaths are reporting that they are seeing working for a lot of the

flu like symptoms they are seeing. Do you have any remedies? Are you

close to a health food store.

Everybody, this is why you need to have a homeopath or alternative

practitioner set up so you know who to call and what to do.

The rest of you - put that on your list immediately of things to do. You

have to have a plan so you won't panic.

Children get sick, children get high temperatures and most of the time do

fine. It is very scary if you are a new mom or if its the first time your

child gets sick.

I think that nowadays, no one is used to being sick with acute things like

this, and we've forgotten what to do. We aren't near our moms and many of

our moms don't know what to do. Another reason why measles, mumps,

rubella, chicken pox are good - moms get experience with what to do. ;-)

Sheri

At 07:22 PM 01/20/2001 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 1/20/01 6:55:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>azxure@... writes:

>

>

> Sorry, Sharon, but that is

> If the temperature if very high, lukewarm water

>

>

>

>

>hi chelly,

>i must say that i do agree with sheri---you should NEVER use cold water or

> also, i would try not to worry

>too much--103, 104 isn't too, too high for a small child--it'd be worse for

> try to just let him be for a bit and let his body do its job--i

>know it's hard to do, but unless he is listless and has other symptoms that

>are making you scared, try to let him be for awhile and see how he makes

out.

> good luck!!

>brigit

>

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I saved this from the list a while back (I think Shelby sent it out; it's

on the mercola site - given below.) HTH! -G.(in Lex KY)

Thought this was timely...

http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/17/fever.htm

Fever is not a disease but rather a symptom of an illness.

Childhood fevers frighten grownups.

Fever is maligned and misunderstood.

Controversy surrounding the

management of fever causes anxiety for parents,

because they are not completely sure

what to do when their child has one.

It may help parents to remember that

fever is only one part of the picture of an illness.

In fact, for children under eight years

of age, and especially for infants, the severity

of a fever is an unreliable indicator of

the severity of the child's illness.

For example, infants and toddlers can be

very sick with a low or even subnormal

temperature. Conversely, children three

to eight years old can be running about quite

cheerfully with a fairly impressive

fever. The important thing is how your child is acting,

not the thermometer reading.

Defining Fever

First, let's define normal body

temperature. Most people say 98.6ºF (37ºC) is normal,

but this doesn't account for individual

variations or the fact that kids tend to run slightly

hotter than adults. You can think of

anything between 97º and 99.4ºF (36º and 37.4ºC)

as normal.

Consumption of hot food, recent exercise,

overbundling, hot weather, or an overheated

room can drive body temperature up a

degree or two. Body temperature also varies

during the course of the day, and, with

teenaged girls, the menstrual cycle.

Fevers usually hit their highest point in

the late afternoon.

Conversely, kids often have their lowest

temperature of the day early in the morning. So

don't panic at 4 p.m. when your child's

fever rises slightly; this does not necessarily

forebode a raging fever. On the other

hand, if your child has a low-grade fever upon

awakening, you may want to keep him home.

How Fever Happens

Infections most commonly launch fever,

especially in children. Other triggers include

transfusion reactions, juvenile

rheumatoid arthritis, tumors, inflammatory reactions

caused by trauma, medications (including

some antihistamines, antibiotics, or an

overdose of aspirin), immunizations, and

dehydration.

Most physicians do not believe that

teething directly causes significant fever, but we

have seen it happen.

When infectious " bugs " stimulate white

blood cells in a specific way, they release a

substance called endogenous pyrogen,

which signals the brain's hypothalamus to raise

the body's thermostat setting. In turn,

the body heats up by increasing its metabolic

rate, shivering, or seeking warm

environments.

It also minimizes heat loss by

restricting blood flow to the skin, giving it a pale

appearance. Once body temperature rises,

the skin flushes and sweats. A fever sufferer

may lose appetite and feel lethargic,

achy, and sleepy. When these phenomena happen

to our children, we just tuck them into

bed and let them sleep.

A basic fever, one due to minor bacterial

or viral illness, can be an

expression of the immune system working

at its best. Given that most

animals (vertebrates anyway) mount a

fever in response to illness, it's likely that

humans have preserved this evolutionary

response because it improves survival. Some

research supports this theory; animal

studies show when fever is blocked, survival rates

from infection decline.

Fever increases the amount of interferon

(a natural antiviral and anticancer

substance) in the blood. A mild fever

also increases the white blood cells that kill cells

infected with viruses, fungi, and cancer,

and improves the ability of certain white

blood cells to destroy bacteria and

infected cells. Fever also impairs the replication

of many bacteria and viruses.

Bottom line: A moderate fever is a

friend, but not one you want to spend a lot of time

with. So it makes sense to avoid

suppressing moderate fevers with drugs, while

continuing to monitor your child for

dramatic increases in temperature and worsening of

any other of his symptoms.

Can Fever Do Harm?

Any time body temperature increases, salt

and water are lost via sweating, and stores

of energy and vitamins, especially the

water-soluble ones, are burned up. During

moderate fevers, we can compensate for

these losses by drinking appropriate fluids,

ingesting nutritious foods, or taking

vitamin supplements.

Replacing water-soluble vitamins (chiefly

C and Bs) makes sense. However, during

fevers, the body makes some minerals

unavailable for a good reason - bacteria need

them to thrive. In terms of energy

stores, our bodies switch from burning glucose (the

favorite meal of bacteria) to burning

protein and fat.

This means a few days of poor appetite is

probably adaptive. In other

words, don't cajole or coerce your

children into eating during fevers if

they don't feel hungry; they will likely

regain any lost weight quickly after the

illness ends. You do, however, need to

encourage fluids, because dehydration alone can

drive up fever.

Very high fevers - those above 106°F

(41°C) - can harm the heart and

brain. Some authorities, however, say

that fever is unlikely to cause brain damage in a

previously healthy child. During most

infections, the brain keeps body temperature at or

below 104°F (40°C). So in most - not all

- cases, you don't need to be afraid that your

child's temperature is going to continue

to rise above that point.

What About Febrile Seizures?

First, let's define them. These abnormal

jerking movements occur in children between

the ages of three months and five years

in association with a fever, but without

evidence of infection of the nervous

system. The seizure lasts no longer than 15 minutes

(usually five minutes or less) and causes

twitching all over. About 3 percent of kids get

febrile seizures.

The reason some children have this

susceptibility isn't well understood. Of those kids

who have a first-time febrile seizure,

about one-third have a recurrence. Risks for

recurrence go up with younger age at the

first seizure (16 months old or less) and a

family history of febrile seizures.

Frightening as these seizures are for

parents, they're benign; once they

pass, the child continues to develop

normally. Often pediatricians can help parents learn

to block high temperatures by giving

ibuprofen or acetaminophen when fevers start. For

the few children who have recurrent

febrile seizures, anticonvulsants or sedatives may

be used.

What to Do If Your Child Has a Febrile

Seizure

Try to stay calm. That's a tall order,

but your child needs you to be collected. Take a

deep breath. Let it out. Tell yourself

that the seizure will not last long (although it may

seem like forever) and that your child

will likely be fine afterward.

Look at your watch to time the length of

the seizure. This sounds like a big demand,

given the anxiety a parent naturally

feels. However, you will otherwise overestimate the

time, and the duration of the seizure is

important information for the doctor. If it

exceeds five minutes, call 911.

Turn your child on his side. This

reduces his risk of gagging on or inhaling

secretions.

Make sure the immediate environment

is safe. Remove objects your child might hit.

Do not restrain your child.

After the seizure is over, comfort and

reassure your child, then call your doctor for an

immediate appointment. He or she will

want to evaluate your child for any abnormalities

(other than fever) that may have

triggered the seizure. If the seizure lasted longer than

five minutes and/or your child seems to

be very sick, your physician may tell you to go

to the emergency room right away.

Over-the-Counter Medications for Fevers

It makes sense to us that if fever helps

defend against infection, giving

fever-reducing medications may make

things worse. In addition, some fever

medications can have undesirable side

effects. On the other hand, no one likes to watch

a child suffer. And fever can deplete a

child's energy. Here's a profile of over-the-counter

medicines for reducing fever and

discomfort.

Acetaminophen reduces fever and pain but

not inflammation. Follow the package

instructions. Because of the risk of

liver damage, do not dose more frequently than

every four to six hours or for more than

five consecutive days. There is no need to

awaken your child to give her a dose;

sleep will do far more good.

Ibuprofen (Children's Motrin,

Pediaprofen, Advil) reduces fever, pain, and inflammation.

Follow the package instructions. Do not

give more often than every six hours unless your

physician advises otherwise. This

medicine can cause stomach upset.

Aspirin reduces fever, pain, and

inflammation, but pediatricians rarely recommend it.

Use of aspirin in children during viral

illness has been linked to Reye's

syndrome, a disease characterized by

severe liver dysfunction and brain swelling.

Symptoms include effortless and repeated

vomiting, then a change in the level of

consciousness (lethargy, stupor,

combative behavior, delirium, seizures, coma).

No one knows what the cause of Reye's is,

but it seems to be linked with aspirin use

during viral illnesses. For this reason,

authorities have recommended that children under

21 years with symptoms of viral

respiratory illness or chickenpox do not take aspirin.

Sometimes herpes outbreaks and viral

gastroenteritis (marked by vomiting and/or

diarrhea) are included in the list of

illnesses during which aspirin must be avoided.

Unfortunately, it is often difficult to

be certain of the cause of an illness when it starts.

Aspirin is a component of many cold and

flu over-the-counter medications, so avoiding it

requires careful label reading on your

part.

Medications for fever can act as a

screen. Here are some pros and cons to giving your

child over-the-counter medication to ease

a fever.

Medication such as acetaminophen can help

sort out whether your child feels miserable

because of a fever or because of an

infection. Some physicians use a trial of

acetaminophen as a screen. If, after the

drug kicks in, the child looks and acts better, it

is less likely that he has a fever or

that his infection is a serious one.

Fever medications can make your child

feel better. He may be more likely to drink fluids,

nibble food, and sleep. All can help him

recover.

Fever medications can mask symptoms. In

other words, your child acts

as though his health has improved, but it

really hasn't.

Fever medications may actually prolong

the illness. This opinion of some practitioners is

backed by a few studies. Assuming the

response of the body to illness (fever,

inflammation, sleepiness) is adaptive, it

seems reasonable to assume that interfering

with the process may do more harm than

good. The following are some examples that

support this theory.

A study of adults with colds found

that aspirin and acetaminophen suppressed

production of antibodies and

increased cold symptoms, with a trend toward longer

infectiousness.

In a study of children with

chickenpox, acetaminophen prolonged itching and the

time to scabbing compared to placebo

treatment.

In test-tube studies, therapeutic

levels of aspirin suppressed the ability of human

white blood cells to destroy

bacteria. Acetaminophen did not have this effect.

Another study found that a host of

pain relievers, including aspirin and ibuprofen,

inhibited white-cell production of

antibodies by up to 50 percent.

The bottom line. Use these medicines

sparingly when your child is in pain or suffers

discomfort from a fever over 102°F

(38.8°C). Ask yourself whether you are administering

the fever-reducing medicine to make your

child more comfortable or to decrease your

own anxiety.

Nondrug approaches can go a long way

toward helping your child feel better. If the

situation does not seem urgent, you might

want to consider a trial of herbal treatment

before you pull out the acetaminophen.

Home Management of Fevers

Do give your child lots to drink. Fever

increases fluid loss, and dehydration can

drive up your child's temperature. Kids

with fever often do not feel thirsty, or by the

time they do, they're already dehydrated.

So keep offering fluids.

Small, frequent sips are often best,

especially if the child feels nauseated. If

necessary, use a plastic medicine dropper

to gently insert water into your child's mouth.

The type that holds several ounces is

best to use.

Dress lightly or bundle? The answer

depends on your children's perception of

temperature - follow her cues. If your

child looks pale, shivers, or complains of feeling

chilled (things that tend to happen in

the early stages of fever), bundle her in

breathable fabrics so that sweat will

evaporate, but make sure she can easily remove

the layers. If she is comfortable and her

fever is low, dress her snuggly and give warm

liquids to assist the body's fever

production. If she sweats and complains of heat, dress

her lightly and let her throw off the

covers. Older kids will take care of these needs

themselves.

Don't push food. People with fevers

generally don't have much appetite. Let your

child determine when and what she eats.

Just bear in mind that consumption of sugary

foods could delay the natural immune

response.

Herbal Remedies for Fevers

A rule of thumb that herbalists like to

use during minor illness with fever is: " First, do

nothing, " meaning that a short period of

observation ought to precede any action

against the illness. Follow our

guidelines above for seeking medical assistance for

feverish children under the age of two,

and encourage fluids. For older children, give

liquids, make them comfortable, and

observe closely.

Is your child drinking fluids well?

Urinating at least once every eight

hours (ideally, every three to four

hours, or wetting eight to ten diapers

per day)? Does your touch console her? Is

she playing normally? If the

answer to these questions is yes, she is

probably not seriously ill.

This observation time can also help you

figure out which of the following herbs are most

indicated and effective.

Boneset. We cannot find much current

research on this herb, but folklore, historical

medical texts, and personal experience

tell us it works. Consider the opinion of Drs.

Uri Lloyd and Harvey Felter from 1898,

two of the most respected herb doctors in

American history: " In influenza, it

relieves the pain in the limbs and back. Its popular

name, 'boneset,' is derived from its

well-known property of relieving the deep-seated

pains in the limbs which accompany this

disorder. "

For more information about herbal

remedies for children, see the following articles in

past issues of Mothering: " The Scent That

Soothes, " no. 80; " Natural Remedies for

Childhood Diseases, " no. 77; " Natural

Immune Boosters, " no. 73; " Natural Remedies for

Winter Illnesses, " no. 69, and " Childhood

Fevers, " no. 51.

B. White, MD, is the mother of two

and the author of The Grandparent Book. She

is a national natural health writer.

Sunny Mavor, AHG, is a professional

member of the American Herbalists Guild and

lectures nationally on botanical

medicine. She is the mother of two and the founder of

Herbs for Kids.

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What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth? Judging

from realistic simulations involving a sledge hammer and

a common laboratory frog, we can assume it will be

pretty bad.

- Dave Barry

I would rather have a mind opened by wonder

than one closed by belief.

- Gerry Spence

Doctors give drugs of which they know little,

into bodies, of which they know less,

for diseases of which they know nothing at all.

- Voltaire

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[Guest guest]

At 07:56 PM 01/20/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>The fever is his bodys way of fighting the infection, but with a child so

>small, isn't there a concern when the fever hits a certain mark? I always

>heard to leave a fever alone, unless the child is very small and the fever

>gets very high...Sharon, Q-town,PA

There is no magic mark. And 103 is not that high.

Dehydration is more of a concern.

> Re: OT - What should I do - baby sick

>

>

>> JMO, but as long as he's staying hydrated, the fever is just his body

>> WORKING, fighting infection very effectively. Try not to worry. We

>> like belladonna (homeopathic) for fevers, but only if he fits the symptom

>> picture. Hopefully some of the other folks will have more suggestions.

>> (homeopaths, are you out there? *grin*) Good luck, Namaste, Gretchen (in

>> Lexington, KY)

>>

>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:53:05 EST Trentonsmom@... writes:

>> > His fever has gone up to 103.2 now - I'm very worried.

>> >

>> > Chelly

>> > San Diego, CA

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At 08:02 PM 01/20/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>I have heard of many people using cold water and ice to bring down fevers

>successfully, but I do remember reading something about it that was

>negative, or could have negative consequences, although to be honest, I do

>not remember exactly what is was. (shock or seizures or something) When I

>was reading, they recommended a lukewarm to slightly cool bath if the fever

>was high...Sharon, Q-town, PA

Good way to induce a seizure!

> RE: OT - What should I do - baby sick

>

>

>> odd, i was at the hospital in august running over 105 and they had ice

>> compresses and cold washcloths on me to bring it down. (ice compresses

>under

>> my arms and near groin area and back of neck, washcloths elsewhere)

>>

>> i am not saying you are wrong, or the hospital is right, just saying that

>it

>> worked for my temp.

>>

>> azx

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:snakken@...]

>>

>> And do NOT ever use COLD water or COLD sheets. Sorry, Sharon, but that is

>> dangerous. If the temperature if very high, lukewarm water

>>

>> Agree with the no tylenol, etc. - very hard on liver and especially needs

>> liver to function well if ill.

>> Sheri

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sheri, the sheet rung out in cold water is not to reduce fever, but to help

draw out the illness, and should be used in conjunction with the wool

blanket. The process is as follows:

Ring out a cotton sheet in Cold Water

Wrap naked body tightly in sheet

Wrap sheeted body snugly in wool blanket

Leave wrapped until sheet is dry

The body will only feel the cold for a moment or two until body heat starts

to warm it. At this point, you then have to monitor body temperature to make

sure the fever is highly raised by the warmth that is generated.

I would never suggest using cold water to bring a fever down...as I stated

in my post, a bath should be lukewarm, and at the time of my post, his

temperature was at 103 and some.

This procedure was given to my girlfriends little girl from her naturopath

when she was very ill, with a high fever, from a viral illness...Sharon,

Quakertown, PA

Re: OT - What should I do - baby sick

> >His fever has gone up to 103.2 now - I'm very worried.

> >

> >Chelly

> >San Diego, CA

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> >

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>

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[Guest guest]

The fever is his bodys way of fighting the infection, but with a child so

small, isn't there a concern when the fever hits a certain mark? I always

heard to leave a fever alone, unless the child is very small and the fever

gets very high...Sharon, Q-town,PA

Re: OT - What should I do - baby sick

> JMO, but as long as he's staying hydrated, the fever is just his body

> WORKING, fighting infection very effectively. Try not to worry. We

> like belladonna (homeopathic) for fevers, but only if he fits the symptom

> picture. Hopefully some of the other folks will have more suggestions.

> (homeopaths, are you out there? *grin*) Good luck, Namaste, Gretchen (in

> Lexington, KY)

>

> On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:53:05 EST Trentonsmom@... writes:

> > His fever has gone up to 103.2 now - I'm very worried.

> >

> > Chelly

> > San Diego, CA

> > Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

>

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[Guest guest]

I have heard of many people using cold water and ice to bring down fevers

successfully, but I do remember reading something about it that was

negative, or could have negative consequences, although to be honest, I do

not remember exactly what is was. (shock or seizures or something) When I

was reading, they recommended a lukewarm to slightly cool bath if the fever

was high...Sharon, Q-town, PA

RE: OT - What should I do - baby sick

> odd, i was at the hospital in august running over 105 and they had ice

> compresses and cold washcloths on me to bring it down. (ice compresses

under

> my arms and near groin area and back of neck, washcloths elsewhere)

>

> i am not saying you are wrong, or the hospital is right, just saying that

it

> worked for my temp.

>

> azx

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:snakken@...]

>

> And do NOT ever use COLD water or COLD sheets. Sorry, Sharon, but that is

> dangerous. If the temperature if very high, lukewarm water

>

> Agree with the no tylenol, etc. - very hard on liver and especially needs

> liver to function well if ill.

> Sheri

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This was supposed to say " you then have to monitor body temperature to make

sure the fever is NOT highly raised... "

Sorry, Sharon, Q-town PA

Re: OT - What should I do - baby sick

> > >His fever has gone up to 103.2 now - I'm very worried.

> > >

> > >Chelly

> > >San Diego, CA

> > >Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

> > >

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> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

> > 530-478-1242

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> > women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

> >

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THE

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[Guest guest]

Maybe because you were pregnant they were more worried about bringing your

fever down than anything else. I don't know, like I said , I have heard of

cold being used before...Sharon

Re: OT - What should I do - baby sick

>

>

> I have heard of many people using cold water and ice to bring down fevers

> successfully, but I do remember reading something about it that was

> negative, or could have negative consequences, although to be honest, I do

> not remember exactly what is was. (shock or seizures or something) When I

> was reading, they recommended a lukewarm to slightly cool bath if the

fever

> was high...Sharon, Q-town, PA

> ----- Original Message -----

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

odd, i was at the hospital in august running over 105 and they had ice

compresses and cold washcloths on me to bring it down. (ice compresses under

my arms and near groin area and back of neck, washcloths elsewhere)

i am not saying you are wrong, or the hospital is right, just saying that it

worked for my temp.

azx

-----Original Message-----

From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:snakken@...]

And do NOT ever use COLD water or COLD sheets. Sorry, Sharon, but that is

dangerous. If the temperature if very high, lukewarm water

Agree with the no tylenol, etc. - very hard on liver and especially needs

liver to function well if ill.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

ugh, i would hope not! i was 34 weeks pregnant at the time! like i said, i

wasn't saying one way or the other, just that it worked fine with me. then,

for all intents and purposes, i was already in shock before i even got to

the hospital

Re: OT - What should I do - baby sick

I have heard of many people using cold water and ice to bring down fevers

successfully, but I do remember reading something about it that was

negative, or could have negative consequences, although to be honest, I do

not remember exactly what is was. (shock or seizures or something) When I

was reading, they recommended a lukewarm to slightly cool bath if the fever

was high...Sharon, Q-town, PA

----- Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

Excellent!

Sheri

At 07:41 PM 01/20/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>I saved this from the list a while back (I think Shelby sent it out; it's

>on the mercola site - given below.) HTH! -G.(in Lex KY)

>

>

>Thought this was timely...

>http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/17/fever.htm

>

>Fever is not a disease but rather a symptom of an illness.

>

> Childhood fevers frighten grownups.

> Fever is maligned and misunderstood.

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

530-478-1242

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

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[Guest guest]

My little guy had a 103.5 fever it was scary but progressive so i didn't worry to much about seizures. I gave him aconite and by morning it was gone and he was normal.

I would just watch it, his body should be naturally be burning it out soon.

good luck.

rachel