Re: concerning Off Topic stuff

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Again, I am on this list for vax info too. There are two other lists for off

topic stuff - momswithminds and famnatliv both at egroups. The other stuff

is great occasionally, but I need the vax info. I also belong to the other

two lists mentioned.

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In a message dated 1/9/01 13:54:43 Uhr, LSRandKCR@... writes:

<< Again, I am on this list for vax info too. >>

We all have delete buttons. Kimme

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In a message dated 1/9/01 12:04:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, dasweeney@... writes:

Car seat advice, birthcontrol, rice milk recipies and

everything else that does not pertain to vaccinations should be replied to

privatly! Why is that such a difficult concept to grasp, the purpose of

this list is vaccines, delete button or not, keep stupid OT discussions

private!!!!

I like to read reply's to certain questions, it would be pointless if everyone had to ask the same question because it was answered privately. I also haven't seen many "STUPID" OT discussions, if it doesn't interest me I simply don't read it. Those of you who are finding the OT discussions stupid seem to not know where to locate the delete button, and to spend time reading them - well then that is stupid.

Chelly

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I delete over 200 emails a day. It gets to be a drag. But thanks for the

tip.

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We all know how to email privately too. People are leaving the list that

come here just to get vaccine information and that give good vaccine

information. Car seat advice, birthcontrol, rice milk recipies and

everything else that does not pertain to vaccinations should be replied to

privatly! Why is that such a difficult concept to grasp, the purpose of

this list is vaccines, delete button or not, keep stupid OT discussions

private!!!! As been stated many times in the last couple of days there are

2 egroups that are allready established for this purpose, GO THERE!!!! Be

respectful of those that don't want our email systems filled with the OT

nonsense!! The list had doubled in the last year and by this time next year

it will probably triple, the line has got to be drawn bc it is just going to

produce more and more nonsence emails. This is not a place for all these OT

discussions.

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In a message dated 1/9/01 12:22:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, alison73@... writes:

Just to reinterate, I LOVE a lot of the off topic subjects.

I don't think we should be forced to focus ONLY on vaccination info...

being that there are some extremely knowledgable people on this list that

have much to offer in other forms, i.e. holistic medicine...that can work

hand in hand with us people that don't vaccinate

i soooo agree with alison. i need and appreciate all the vaccine info that i get through this list, but i very much enjoy and eagerly learn form a lot of the OT posts too. i would be very sorry to see this list get so uptight (like lots of other lists) that we "cannot" ask or share about any other subjects.

for those of you who are uninterested in anything OT, please try to delete away any of these types of posts and let those of us who do benefit from them, learn from them. i like that i can go online here and ask opinions from so many different people and get an answer in a relatively short period of time. i think lots of you are a wealth of information and different people here have different experience and knowledge to share.

try to be a little more lenient--thanks!!

brigit

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In a message dated 1/9/01 3:04:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dasweeney@... writes:

keep stupid OT discussions private!!!!

the above comment is exactly the type of thing i was referring to yesterday--it's a little ridiculous for you to be belittling people--who are just seeking more knowledge. (their questions and conversations are far from stupid!!)

i know you know how to use your delete button and i for one (and i know i am not alone here) really don't want to join other lists--for 2 reasons--1. i can count on the advice an opinons of some of the "posters" on this list and, 2. i don't have a lot of time either to join numerous lists and get involved with all new people etc., either. that's why this list is so great for me--i rely of the advice of some here and have gotten to know them alittle and i get my vax info and other info all in one email group.

also, it is difficult sometimes, to just go directly to someone's private email with a response, as there are others (quite often), who would like the info too.

i know there's no easy answer here--you're right, it does produce alot of "extra" emails, but at least they are labeled as such in their subject heading, so those who are uninterested, can move on. brigit

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In a message dated 1/9/01 22:19:53 Uhr, beebemcel@... writes:

<< i know there's no easy answer here--you're right, it does produce alot of

" extra " emails, but at least they are labeled as such in their subject

heading, so those who are uninterested, can move on.

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Thanks Brigit! I second that motion! Kimme

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In a message dated 1/9/01 15:04:34 Uhr, dasweeney@... writes:

<< We all know how to email privately too. People are leaving the list that

come here just to get vaccine information and that give good vaccine

information. Car seat advice, birthcontrol, rice milk recipies and

everything else that does not pertain to vaccinations should be replied to

privatly! Why is that such a difficult concept to grasp, the purpose of

this list is vaccines, delete button or not, keep stupid OT discussions

private!!!! As been stated many times in the last couple of days there are

2 egroups that are allready established for this purpose, GO THERE!!!! Be

respectful of those that don't want our email systems filled with the OT

nonsense!! The list had doubled in the last year and by this time next year

it will probably triple, the line has got to be drawn bc it is just going to

produce more and more nonsence emails. This is not a place for all these OT

discussions.

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Some people are so rude...maybe they should find another list....Kimme(who

has no problem identifying myself)

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In a message dated 1/9/01 2:04:34 PM Central Standard Time, dasweeney@... writes:

keep stupid OT discussions

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more and more nonsence emails

Since I got busy working for a change, my box piled up. But, I'll tell you what, this message is the one that got me. Really insulting, and beneath even my 3 year old's maturity level. I have to say, that if this is the pervaying attitude (I don't believe it is), then this is not the place for me. I don't come here to get flamed by people who are close-minded and rude. The message in it's entirety was unnecessarily harsh. I believe that, whereas we all joined this group for the main ingredient, vaccines, many of us are benefitting from the TANGENT topics. Those topics, as someone wrote earlier, are very MUCH a part of the vaccine issue for those parents who choose to refrain from immunizing their children. We are directed, by virtue of the close-minded allopathic reality of this country, to search and!

seek ways to live our lives as best we can, and that includes caring for our children IN ALL AREAS OF HEALTH. In many instances, a parent comes to this list not knowing where else to turn. To use such language looks to me, whether intentionally or not, to be an attempt to get rid of them by making them feel stupid or out of place. I am already on two heavy volume lists. This one, and one for APRAXIA, a very real and devastating disorder my son has. It takes a lot of concentration and effort to peel through the list and pick those topics I want to pursue. Some days I delete all the apraxia issues, helped by the fact that they are labeled as such. Some days I dump the vaccine. If I had two more (or god forbid more) topics to add to my already burdened eyesight (we're moving on to bi-foculs here), I'd go insane. I myself prefer the laid back attitude, and general open-mindedness!

, and mostly the vast knowledge base of this group. I have little time for nastiness, and if that's what I'm going to get when I open up mail, then I'll be deleting a lot more of these posts in the future, and eventually dropping off.

PS. By the time the 15th email was received, my son would have apologized for breaking the guidelines (without being told, I might add)... Just a thought...

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In a message dated 1/9/01 11:53:49 PM Central Standard Time, squeaksoup@... writes FOR A SECOND, UNSOLICITED AND RUDE TIME:

Be respectful of those

In order to get some, you gotta give some... If I wanted to be "spoken" to so rudely, I could down the street and talk to the crack mom...

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In a message dated 1/10/01 12:08:00 AM Central Standard Time, katrinaj@... writes:

for everyone to cut and paste and remove all of the unnecesary previous posts when responding

I know that usually when I reply, I don't even use the old post, only portions of it, but probably because I am "replying" as opposed to initiating, the program (AOL) probably tacks the old post underneath. The only way I know of to stop this is to WRITE an email, as opposed to replying to one. Which is about 25 keystrokes more than my laziness can handle. If there is another way, I'd like to learn it. I also don't like that there are "attachments" or something of some sort that get passed down the line, and every time I click on an email with one I have to answer security questions about whether I know the poster or not. These transfer to each reply after the initial post.

cbp

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In a message dated 1/9/2001 8:11:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, beebemcel@... writes:

Just to reinterate, I LOVE a lot of the off topic subjects. I don't think we should be forced to focus ONLY on vaccination info... being that there are some extremely knowledgable people on this list that have much to offer in other forms, i.e. holistic medicine...that can work hand in hand with us people that don't vaccinate

I too agree with you guys. You get to know and trust people. I'm so glad to have found this list OT and all.

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well, i am sorry - i am the one who posted for the rice milk info. this is

the only source i knew of where i could get the info i needed. i was

turning up blanks in my attempts to search the web.

i will no longer post anything OT here. and no offense, but i dont think

the health of my son is NONSENSE. maybe this isnt the place for me either.

and thanks to all who did reply to my rice milk post. i will be making my

own rice milk now!

tammy, mom to noah

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I wish people would stop taking things so personally here. We have a group

of people who all originally signed up with this group to discuss

vaccinations. There have been a number of people in this group who have

asked off-topic discussions generating lots of emails. Because of the

number of these emails, some of the people who joined the group based on the

group's purported reason for existence have left. To be fair, I think we

should be asking ourselves if there is any way to avoid losing those people.

It doesn't make the points raised off-topic not worth discussing or

unimportant, but it does raise the question of how to characterize this

group, and whether or not a vaccination-only discussion group should be

formed. What do you think?

Sandy

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i completely understand your point, but i didnt know where else to turn. if

you look at my original email, i asked " where " i could find info on the

subject, but no one had any info for me. i needed some guidance and didnt

know where else to look.

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I'm feeling a bit like a broken record here. But it seems to me we could have the best of both worlds if we formed two groups with the same people. Those who want to be on both groups would say so. And those who want to be only on the vaccination group would indicate that. We wouldn't need to get to know another new group. When people signed up with the group, they would have the option of joining both at first, or one or the other (although it would likely be the vaccination group first, since that is the draw). Then they could decide at any timeif they wanted to be part of the other group as well.

It is easy to tell people to just delete, but instead, they are deleting us. The question are, do we want to lose those people and do we have to lose those people?

I, for one, at this point, would prefer to be on two groups, rather than lose people concerned about vaccinations. Sandy

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In a message dated 1/9/01 3:04:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dasweeney@... writes:

keep stupid OT discussions private!!!! the above comment is exactly the type of thing i was referring to yesterday--it's a little ridiculous for you to be belittling people--who are just seeking more knowledge. (their questions and conversations are far from stupid!!) i know you know how to use your delete button and i for one (and i know i am not alone here) really don't want to join other lists--for 2 reasons--1. i can count on the advice an opinons of some of the "posters" on this list and, 2. i don't have a lot of time either to join numerous lists and get involved with all new people etc., either. that's why this list is so great for me--i rely of the advice of some here and have gotten to know them alittle and i get my vax info and other info all in one email group. also, it is difficult sometimes, to just go directly to someone's private email with a response, as there are others (quite often), who would like the info too. i know there's no easy answer here--you're right, it does produce alot of "extra" emails, but at least they are labeled as such in their subject heading, so those who are uninterested, can move on. brigit

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Tammy, I was happy to read your post about rice milk, and was glad that you

got the answer you needed, as I was looking too. No one thinks the health of

your son is nonsense...we are glad you are here...Sharon

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For those people who desire a vaccination only discussion group, I think

that would be a wonderful idea. I happen to enjoy all the posts here,

although I did mainly sign up for the information I could get from this

group on vaccinations...Sharon

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Reminder (As I add fuel to the fire):

It is also helpful, especially to those who are on digest, where it takes

three days for it to download, for everyone to cut and paste and remove all

of the unnecesary previous posts when responding. It sometimes takes a long

time and a lot of space when each email contains all of the previous emails,

repeated.

Boy, did I just waste a lot of space saying all of that?!?

My husband's music trading group has a rule that if you are going to post

something OT, you have to pay a " Wasted Bandwidth Tax " which means you have

to give away a free CD or something. Too bad that wouldn't work here. What

would we offer, a free shot maybe??

Katrina

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i have a suggestion. it is very difficult to stick to one topic when

children are involved. what if an OT is put on the list but the responses

are made NOT to the list but to the person. Just don't hit reply. Compose a

new message with the person's email address. if there is interest by

another of that topic they can ask the original person what suggestions etc

came up.

we have to learn to cut and paste rather than hit reply and all will be

happy. my 2 cents. rhoda

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>well, i am sorry - i am the one who posted for the rice milk info. this is

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Is this really that big of deal? Most of the people complaining have a

response to an OT post. I think most people on this list are comfortable

with it being an alternative medicine mothering and fathering group. The OT

posts don't bother me.

Good luck

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I agree with it too! And I too feel that rudeness should not have a place here, but then everywhere is white and black so maybe we have to accept it as a fact and can't keep it away completely.

I guess I will ignore rude e-mails from now on and just read the helpful ones or those asking for help.

I think this is a wonderful group and I will not let myself be chased away from it by reading some e-mails that are really OFF.

Not only off topic, which I personally don't mind at all, because it just helps me to broaden my perspective and knowledge or allows me to share some of my experience and maybe give some help, but simply OFF.

We should not treat each other with disrespect, we are all here to learn and share and I would like to think that we are here for each other in case of need too.

I know that we sometimes have too many things going on in our lives and that we can get grumpy and very rude, but maybe we can try not to let it influence our group-life here.

I would not mind splitting up this group but I doubt that it would really work out. OT would again seep in sooner or later and rudeness would again start?!

I don't want to see anyone leaving because we sometimes behave like children, I truely believe that the way we communicate with each other puts more of us off than the amount of OT stuff.

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Re: concerning Off Topic stuff

In a message dated 1/9/2001 8:11:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, beebemcel@... writes:

Just to reinterate, I LOVE a lot of the off topic subjects. I don't think we should be forced to focus ONLY on vaccination info... being that there are some extremely knowledgable people on this list that have much to offer in other forms, i.e. holistic medicine...that can work hand in hand with us people that don't vaccinateI too agree with you guys. You get to know and trust people. I'm so glad to have found this list OT and all.

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That is exactly the reason why I don't like all this negativity about OT.

People need help and sometimes this list is the only place they can turn to.

Shouldn't we just be there for them? Shouldn't we just be there for each

other and help when help is needed?

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In a message dated 1/9/01 10:31:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, sandym@... writes:

I'm feeling a bit like a broken record here. But it seems to me we could have the best of both worlds if we formed two groups with the same people. Those who want to be on both groups would say so. And those who want to be only on the vaccination group would indicate that. We wouldn't need to get to know another new group.

this is already available--nicole has a VACCINE INFO ONLY list that lists just the info--none of the ot posts and (stupid--said sarcastically...) chitchat brigit