Re: They can't say no to Ritalin

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Years ago they put me on Zoloft. Unless you really have a bipolar disorder

which most people really do not, internal problems more often than not are

causing someone's mental state to be off, you can really get a little

dependant on them. Eventually you build up a tolerance for the drug as with

any other, and feel the need to have more and more to give you a relaxed

state of mind. The drugs for me were not fixing the problem I did the

therapy thing which helped, books MRI, EEG, EKG everything was normal but I

was depressed and had anxiety. But only after I had my son did my Hashimotos

get so bad that a doctor finally decided to try testing the thyroid.

Apparently it is a common test, no one ever thought to run on me before.

Anyway good luck to you and your partner, if I were here I would try the

thyroid test and cutting out wheat and dairy except on special occasion, I

bet she sees a huge difference. You will see if she stays on those ant-dep.

She will have to continue to up the dosage and up the dosage. Not to mention

the sex drive disappears for most. But that is another story.

Good luck

[Guest guest]

Of course there are million different levels of ADD. For some lack of

concentration others talking fast aggressive slurred speech it goes on and

on. But I am 28 yrs. Old . I grew up in Vegas, went to a private and regular

school and I personally don't think it was a huge problem like it is now.

Anger problems are due to many things. My nephew is on Ritalin. His mother

is to lazy to get allergy testing done and keep a healthy diet in the house

so the pill is easy and it helps. And heh it only cost 10 bucks a month as

opposed to hundreds for organic this and that and proper supplements plus

seeing a homeopath. This is America, people are catching on though. To

little to late.

[Guest guest]

The air we breathe, the water we drink is all garbage. Everything is treated to death. Food is not the same as it used to be. Demand is so high for milk and meat that, hormones,antibiotics you name it is put into the meat. Absolutely everything is made of sugar. Parent do not stay home anymore, children are not raised in churches, vaccines are at an all time high. God knows how much nuclear testing and toxic gases are in the air from the government Cars are everywhere helping to contribute to our huge stinky air problem. there is really no nutritional value to anything the average Joe eats. Besides any normal healthy person who consumes the same food day in and day out will eventually develop an allergy to the items. Considering everything we eat is made up out of wheat dairy and sugar that would be the problem solver I think. How many people change what they are eating a considerable amount daily.? I don't know to many, we are creatures of convience and habit, once we find something we like we eat it to death.This is how I see it anyway.

[Guest guest]

True, but SO DEPRESSING!!!! Kinda makes me want to move to the moon (or

some lovely tropical space colony) and START OVER!!! Just my impractical

2 cents. =o) Namaste, Gretchen

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:31:18 -0500 " Tom and Muckerheide "

<tomnrachel@...> writes:

> The air we breathe, the water we drink is all garbage. Everything is

> treated

> to death. Food is not the same as it used to be. Demand is so high

> for milk

> and meat that, hormones,antibiotics you name it is put into the

> meat.

> Absolutely everything is made of sugar. Parent do not stay home

> anymore,

> children are not raised in churches, vaccines are at an all time

> high. God

> knows how much nuclear testing and toxic gases are in the air from

> the

> government Cars are everywhere helping to contribute to our huge

> stinky air

> problem. there is really no nutritional value to anything the

> average Joe

> eats. Besides any normal healthy person who consumes the same food

> day in

> and day out will eventually develop an allergy to the items.

> Considering

> everything we eat is made up out of wheat dairy and sugar that would

> be the

> problem solver I think. How many people change what they are eating

> a

> considerable amount daily.? I don't know to many, we are creatures

> of

> convience and habit, once we find something we like we eat it to

> death.This

> is how I see it anyway.

>

>

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Make room for me...Sharon

Re: They can't say no to Ritalin

> True, but SO DEPRESSING!!!! Kinda makes me want to move to the moon (or

> some lovely tropical space colony) and START OVER!!! Just my impractical

> 2 cents. =o) Namaste, Gretchen

>

> On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:31:18 -0500 " Tom and Muckerheide "

> <tomnrachel@...> writes:

> > The air we breathe, the water we drink is all garbage. Everything is

> > treated

> > to death. Food is not the same as it used to be. Demand is so high

> > for milk

> > and meat that, hormones,antibiotics you name it is put into the

> > meat.

> > Absolutely everything is made of sugar. Parent do not stay home

> > anymore,

> > children are not raised in churches, vaccines are at an all time

> > high. God

> > knows how much nuclear testing and toxic gases are in the air from

> > the

> > government Cars are everywhere helping to contribute to our huge

> > stinky air

> > problem. there is really no nutritional value to anything the

> > average Joe

> > eats. Besides any normal healthy person who consumes the same food

> > day in

> > and day out will eventually develop an allergy to the items.

> > Considering

> > everything we eat is made up out of wheat dairy and sugar that would

> > be the

> > problem solver I think. How many people change what they are eating

> > a

> > considerable amount daily.? I don't know to many, we are creatures

> > of

> > convience and habit, once we find something we like we eat it to

> > death.This

> > is how I see it anyway.

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Did you know that a very high percentage of kids that used Ritalin

regularly

became drug addicts (research is done, I don't know the exact source)

Law firm of Waters & Kraus accuses makers of Ritalin and others of

fraud; 46 known problems or risks associated with Ritalin listed at

their site; essentially saying they had a drug, created a diagnosis

that called for it, then pushed for increased diagnoses.

Interesting to note kids taking Ritalin can't join the military; it's a

Class II controlled substance (along with morphine and other

amphetamines).

http://www.ritalinfraud.com

Next is part of an article I wrote some time ago:

The Homeopathic Treatment of ADD and other Behavioural and Learning

Problems.

It is estimated that more than one in every thirty children ages five

to eighteen in the United States are taking medication (including

Ritalin and other stimulants) for ADD and related disorders. And those

numbers are growing at an alarming rate. Many parents are uneasy about

their children being on stimulants that only have short term effects or

no effects at all. In addition, drugs such as Ritalin only treat some of

the symptoms of ADD, can cause side effects, may need to be taken over a

very long time, and do not treat the root of the problem. Parents wonder

if there are no better alternatives.

There are better alternatives. I advise every parent who has children

with learning and/or behavioural problems to read the book " Ritalin Free

Kids " by Judith Reichenberg-Ullman and Ullman, or to talk to a

well trained Classical Homeopath, before putting their kids on

stimulants or anti-depressants. The Ullmans, who are Naturopathic

Doctors, have treated over 1200 cases of ADD and related disorders with

homeopathy, with exceptional results. After homeopathic treatment there

was a definite improvement in the children that were previously

diagnosed with ADD. They were able to listen better and they were more

cooperative and kind. They lost their fears, were less aggressive, had

less tantrums. As a result they could better concentrate at school and

got better grades. They felt better about themselves and their parents

and teachers were elated.

A sample case from Ritalin Free Kids

by Judith Reichenberg-Ullman, N.D., M.S.W.

and Ullman, N.D.

's preschool teacher recommended that his hearing be tested at age

three because of his difficulty listening. When his hearing proved

normal, he was put on Dexedrine. The medication speeded him up, caused

him to be " emotionally distraught, " and resulted in bed wetting.

When was six, his mother decided to try homeopathy. It was hard

for him to sit still in class. His attention span was short. He got

sidetracked very easily from even a simple command. He was unable to

focus on the teacher's instructions. was extremely impatient. If

not allowed to do something, he became very upset and would not listen

to reason. He talked loudly and became carried away easily. He loved

television and hated going to bed.

's behaviour was erratic. He was affectionate one minute and

aggressive the next. He was not good at following rules when he played

games with other children. He had trouble mingling with them and had a

tendency to push them. When they did something to him, he retaliated by

hitting and kicking. When he became really angry, he screamed,

threatened to hit everyone, and told them he hated them.

always had one habit or another. He bit his nails to the extreme

when younger. Later he grabbed at his genitals. Now he picked his nose

habitually. He also stuttered.

He was a very creative child. He loved Halloween because of the

skeletons, witches, bats, and scarecrows, even though he was afraid of

them.

What was most outstanding about was his excessive, erratic

nature. Everything did was extreme, whether talking, staying up

too late, lashing out at others, or picking his nose.

We treated with Medorrhinum. Two months later, 's mother

reported that he had much less anger and was no longer hitting his

brother. His concentration was much improved. He could now focus on

tasks and could sit through church without wiggling. He was not nearly

as impatient and could entertain himself while waiting for an hour. He

was reading and sleeping better. One year after he started homeopathic

treatment, 's mother reported that he was a normal kid. Since the

homeopathy he had done very well in school and has gotten along fine

with the other children. He has not needed another dose of Medorrhinum.

--

Jan F. Lips, DHOM, HMC

Calgary Centre for Homeopathy

Calgary, Alberta

Canada

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/01 11:08:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,

lcmama@... writes:

<<

Parents have the right to treat their child's illness however they see fit,

>>

This is definately no longer the case,esp. when parents decide to either

decline treatment recommendations of a conventional doctor or choose

alternative treatment methods.When parents go against doctor recommendations

they walk a very fine line(depending on the doctor and if he sees fit to

report the parents for neglect).

Most parents do not realize they really have very little control over the

choices they make for their children until they make choices which are not

considered the *norm* and then outsiders step in.

I agree with C(Carol) in that the govt. should back off.Unfortuantely we

agree to laws we think will protect children from harm(and they do help some

kids),but we also give up some of our parental control with each law passed.

I hate to sound so paranoid,but I am very careful about who sees my dd,and

what I tell them about her.I know custody loss is only a phone call away, for

anyone who dislikes my way of parenting can call to report me for neglect

or abuse and voila a case is opened.

sara

[Guest guest]

>Interesting to note kids taking Ritalin can't join the military

Actually that isn't true, or at least it's not true of Ritalin taking adults

who have been on the drug for years. In our case the only reason why the

person in my life was denied for military service was because of a knee

surgery he had as a teen. The Military Intelligence dept. would have loved

to get their hands on him, and asked him to apply for service. I DO think

they take everything on a case by case situation.

Melisa

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[Guest guest]

While I completely agree that everyone has the right to be paranoid about

CPS.... we can't stand back and allow them to continue to bully us! Some

states are working on legislation to change the powers of CPS. Rather than

being afraid all the time we need to empower ourselves with the exact

information for our individual state or country. In the US, CPS has the

same policing powers as the ATF and the IRS (I know that sounds funny, but

the IRS can take you to jail and ask you about your taxes later). After

you find out what your area's regulations are then you should start lobbying

your state to change or modify these laws. I do have to say, there is a

VERY fine line in some cases. What is acceptable to a parent may not be the

norm, that doesn't mean their child should be taken away, but then there are

cases of parents who are making choices that are uninformed and don't have

basis to back them up. I was a law student before I was a mom.... I am a

big proponent of being proactive instead of sitting and worrying about it.

Make some noise! Expose your CPS systems for what they are, and remember

that there are some, in fact many cases where their job is done and done

well. Find out who the head of your CPS department is, start a letter

writing campaign to educate them, not chastise them, educate them!

Remember, you'll get more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Also, while we all hate the government interfering in our lives, we have to

remember that it's a sad fact that we deal with everyday. Laws are written

for a reason, it's our job to abide by them and if we think they are nuts

then it's also our job in a democratic/republic society to challenge those

laws and change them. I am going to assume that everyone on this list, and

other lists, that complains about the government is registered to vote???

and voted in this last election for that matter? We can not complain about

the status of things if we are not proactive enough to do something about

it. We are passionate as parents, passionate about how we feel our

children's lives should start out, I sure hope that all of this passion

isn't put to waste, I hope everyone here is an activist in their own

community. Nothing gets under my skin more than someone who complains but

doesn't do anything about it. It's our job to KNOW the laws, especially

those that affect our families.

Melisa

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[Guest guest]

Yes, Melisa, many expect the school to do everything for them. If I had done

that, Larry would have NEVER recovered!!!

At 11:19 AM 1/5/01 -0700, you wrote:

>Responding to myself before anyone has a chance to.... I DO think that the

>case in that article is way off! The schools need to learn to deal with

>children who have disabilities rather than expect them to be medicated all

>the time. But that goes with anything. It used to be that schools wouldn't

>

[Guest guest]

mianne wrote:

> I agree mostly but I am wondering what did they do about ADD in the old

> times?

> Or is ADD such a new disorder that they didn't have to bother in former

> years?

My guess would be a combination of a) ADD is caused/related to vaccines and

other harmful chemicals we put into our childrens bodies either directly or from

the environment; and before the modern set-up of school and education (which

wasn't that long ago), children weren't being molded into little automatons by

the educational system, so now when a child is " different " , eg, learns at a

different pace, acts differently, etc, they are labeled as having a problem like

a learning disorder or ADD.

>

[Guest guest]

LC Mama wrote:

> >There seems to be almost an epidemic of ADD cases nowadays.

>

> You hit the nail on the head right there! I am a firm believer that there

> are parents out there that are just not willing to do their parenting roll.

> They think their kids are out of hand and rather than taking a different

> parental approach they start thinking there is something WRONG with their

> kid. They run to their ped. who prescribes Ritalin. First and foremost...

> in my opinion, since this does hit VERY close to home with us... a regular

> doctor should not be allowed to prescribe mood altering drugs. I feel that

> many of them do not have the training in the psychology field and therefore

> shouldn't be able to give a drug that alters the mind's state. I feel this

> is true for many drugs, not just Ritalin, Prozac for instance. A good

> friend of mine with a history of bad depression almost went off the deep end

> a while back. And of course instead of referring her to a psychologist. her

> family doctor just chose a new depression med. and gave it to her. In her

> case she needs as much counseling as she does the drug (or some kind of

> therapy). My point is... in our case entering the case study was the best

> because it was run by psychiatry doctors, not just family doctors. Docs

> that actually see this everyday and know who needs the therapy and who could

> go down a more natural or different route. The docs were very interested in

> our family situation, how we functioned with each other, what our diets

> were, etc. ADD and ADHD imho are VERY over diagnosed in our country. And

> while I am a FIRM believer in vaccine injury (duh, that's why I'm here!),

> all of these cases are not vaccine related. Brain patterns run in families.

> In our case this was a two generation situation, with all the males being

> affected (which btw.. more males than females suffer from ADD & ADHD).

Do you think this could partially be a social phenomenon? Boys TEND to be

socialized to be more aggressively and outgoing, so maybe when they do " act

differently " it tends to come across stonger, leading to more diagnoses. I'm

not saying that that's the case in your family, or that there is NO biological

basis for it (personally I think it's mostly caused by vaccines), I'm just

wondering what other people's thoughts are.

>

[Guest guest]

>Do you think this could partially be a social phenomenon?

Sure, anything's possible, but I would guess that other cultures where

socialization is different also experience ADD and ADHD. One thing to point

out about the ADD patients I have observed (more than my share), most ADD's

are usually shy, non-combative, quiet, and VERY eager to please, where most

of the ADHD's that I have observed (not as many as ADD), they are more loud,

mean, out of control, and usually respond to food allergy therapy better.

Both obviously suffer from the AD portion (attention deficit), notice the H

in ADHD stands for hyperactivity. There is a BIG difference between the

two. And one thing I have noticed, and this is personal experience, so

please no one flame me! ADD patients tend to exhibit more intelligence, NOT

to say that ADHD patients aren't as smart but it's like the receptors in

their brain function completely differently. ADHD patients tend to have

more behavioral problems.

Again, I WILL say that I think these two disorders are some of the more over

diagnosed disorders in our world today. In our case (it was diagnosed the

first time 20 years ago), it is a true case. In others that I have

observed, more parental interaction would have done these kids a WORLD of

good instead of putting them on drugs to shut them up and make them fit into

a mold. It's hard not to label kids, we have a growth chart for everything,

one for physical growth, one for mental and psychological growth... at what

point do we let them just GROW??

I also have a HUGE problem with people/allopathic doctors who try to

diagnose children with these disorders before they are at least age 5. You

can not diagnose a 3 year old with a hyperactivity disorder! Most 3 yo's

are hyper!

Mee thinks some of these parents need Rescue Remedy, for themselves AND for

their kids! Looking for a miracle drug.... RR is the ticket! lol. At least

it works wonders in our house.

Melisa

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[Guest guest]

My husband is from India, he had never seen an ADD or ADHD child until he

came to the States.

And when it comes to the diagnosis I would like to say that my friend has

three children. They are all ADHD. One could see that during the very first

year of their lives. The restlessness in their eyes, the body movements, it

was just so obvious.

They are beautiful but they have so much hardship in their lives due to this

disease.

a.

Re: They can't say no to Ritalin

> >Do you think this could partially be a social phenomenon?

>

> Sure, anything's possible, but I would guess that other cultures where

> socialization is different also experience ADD and ADHD. One thing to

point

> out about the ADD patients I have observed (more than my share), most

ADD's

> are usually shy, non-combative, quiet, and VERY eager to please, where

most

> of the ADHD's that I have observed (not as many as ADD), they are more

loud,

> mean, out of control, and usually respond to food allergy therapy better.

> Both obviously suffer from the AD portion (attention deficit), notice the

H

> in ADHD stands for hyperactivity. There is a BIG difference between the

> two. And one thing I have noticed, and this is personal experience, so

> please no one flame me! ADD patients tend to exhibit more intelligence,

NOT

> to say that ADHD patients aren't as smart but it's like the receptors in

> their brain function completely differently. ADHD patients tend to have

> more behavioral problems.

>

> Again, I WILL say that I think these two disorders are some of the more

over

> diagnosed disorders in our world today. In our case (it was diagnosed the

> first time 20 years ago), it is a true case. In others that I have

> observed, more parental interaction would have done these kids a WORLD of

> good instead of putting them on drugs to shut them up and make them fit

into

> a mold. It's hard not to label kids, we have a growth chart for

everything,

> one for physical growth, one for mental and psychological growth... at

what

> point do we let them just GROW??

>

> I also have a HUGE problem with people/allopathic doctors who try to

> diagnose children with these disorders before they are at least age 5.

You

> can not diagnose a 3 year old with a hyperactivity disorder! Most 3 yo's

> are hyper!

>

> Mee thinks some of these parents need Rescue Remedy, for themselves AND

for

> their kids! Looking for a miracle drug.... RR is the ticket! lol. At

least

> it works wonders in our house.

>

>

> Melisa

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>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have come across an interesting book lately called " The Indigo Children " .

If you have children and you haven't read this book yet, I would highly

suggest it. For those of you who are dealing with ADD and ADHD children,

this may be of particular interest to you. In short, the authors of this

book have proposed that a certain percentage of children born today are much

more evolved than we have seen in history. Some of whom are being labelled

as ADD and ADHD, but in actual fact have incredibly high IQ's and are

intensely intuitive and are needing a different kind of parenting as well as

different schooling. I found it to be a fascinating book and very

informative. There is also a website www.indigochildren.com which has lots

of interesting info as well.

Colette

Re: They can't say no to ritalin

> Responding to myself before anyone has a chance to.... I DO think that the

> case in that article is way off! The schools need to learn to deal with

> children who have disabilities rather than expect them to be medicated all

> the time. But that goes with anything. It used to be that schools

wouldn't

> hold themselves responsible for making sure a child too his or her meds,

now

> they want to be militant about making sure they are taken. There is a

fine

> balance between the two, unfortunately most people can't find that

balance.

> Parents have the right to treat their child's illness however they see

fit,

> and the school board shouldn't be stepping in. But then that does bring

up

> another question.... what of the children who don't respond to behavior

> modification, or that do need homeschooling but parents refuse? There has

> to be a mid point... if these parents took their child off the meds then

> what did they do to replace it? are they working on his behavior in other

> ways? through diet? and if so did they tell the school? My biggest pet

> peeve is parents who say that the school won't help but then also don't

know

> how to make the schools help. Not saying this is the case here, but we as

> parents need to take responsibility for our children.

>

> Melisa

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