Guest guest Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I would try good old ART or Graston. These are great tech. fir these tough cases.. Schneider DCPDXOn Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:22 AM, drjohansen@... <drjohansen@...> wrote: Listmates, I have a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes 3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, one cortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant to operate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture, topical analgesics including DMSO Patient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love to work but is afraid a job on her feet would " kill me " Any treatment ideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818 ____________________________________________________________Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!AwesomePennyStocks.com -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I just don't understand sometimes why people are sooo frightened of surgery when they've pretty much exhausted all other modalities. I'd urge her to have the surgery. More than likely it will provide immense relief and allow her to work. As it is now she's throwing money away, remains unemployed and unhappy. Given that the plethora of conservative therapy performed hasn't improved her symptoms, it is unlikely that she's going to miraculously respond to yet another "idea". Just my 2 cents. I've been frustrated as of late with a few cases of mine where the patient stubbornly refuses surgery, when indeed it's their best option. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800 Morton's neuroma Listmates, I have a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes 3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, one cortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant to operate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture, topical analgesics including DMSOPatient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love to work but is afraid a job on her feet would "kill me" Any treatment ideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818____________________________________________________________Penny Stock Jumping 2000%Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!AwesomePennyStocks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I agree, Joe! Sometimes surgery is the best option. Jamey On Jul 16, 2010, at 1:15 PM, joe medlin wrote:I just don't understand sometimes why people are sooo frightened of surgery when they've pretty much exhausted all other modalities. I'd urge her to have the surgery. More than likely it will provide immense relief and allow her to work. As it is now she's throwing money away, remains unemployed and unhappy. Given that the plethora of conservative therapy performed hasn't improved her symptoms, it is unlikely that she's going to miraculously respond to yet another "idea". Just my 2 cents. I've been frustrated as of late with a few cases of mine where the patient stubbornly refuses surgery, when indeed it's their best option. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800 Morton's neuroma Listmates, I have a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes 3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, one cortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant to operate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture, topical analgesics including DMSOPatient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love to work but is afraid a job on her feet would "kill me" Any treatment ideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818____________________________________________________________Penny Stock Jumping 2000%Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!AwesomePennyStocks.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I am one of those folks who dreads surgery and will try every option known to man before submitting to the knife. There are so many alternatives to surgery I think it is reasonable to explore all possible options before going to the extreme of surgery. Schneider DCPDXOn Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1@...> wrote: I agree, Joe! Sometimes surgery is the best option. Jamey On Jul 16, 2010, at 1:15 PM, joe medlin wrote: I just don't understand sometimes why people are sooo frightened of surgery when they've pretty much exhausted all other modalities. I'd urge her to have the surgery. More than likely it will provide immense relief and allow her to work. As it is now she's throwing money away, remains unemployed and unhappy. Given that the plethora of conservative therapy performed hasn't improved her symptoms, it is unlikely that she's going to miraculously respond to yet another " idea " . Just my 2 cents. I've been frustrated as of late with a few cases of mine where the patient stubbornly refuses surgery, when indeed it's their best option. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800 Morton's neuroma Listmates, I have a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes 3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, one cortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant to operate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture, topical analgesics including DMSO Patient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love to work but is afraid a job on her feet would " kill me " Any treatment ideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCO Chiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!AwesomePennyStocks.com -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 ‘dreads surgery’ : my comment - nobody really ‘likes’ it ‘before submitting to the knife’ : my comment - one could also be thankful that there are skilled people who know what they are doing – submission? Well, okay you do have to lie down for surgery……guess that is submission? ‘going to the extreme of surgery’ : my comment – surgery is not always ‘extreme’ – some times it is just plain common sense to prevent further injury and not prolong suffering… Do doctor’s personal fears and opinions sway their clinical thinking? s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Schneider Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:27 PM Jamey Dyson Cc: joe medlin; Subject: Re: Morton's neuroma I am one of those folks who dreads surgery and will try every option known to man before submitting to the knife. There are so many alternatives to surgery I think it is reasonable to explore all possible options before going to the extreme of surgery. Schneider DC PDX On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net> wrote: I agree, Joe! Sometimes surgery is the best option. Jamey On Jul 16, 2010, at 1:15 PM, joe medlin wrote: I just don't understand sometimes why people are sooo frightened of surgery when they've pretty much exhausted all other modalities. I'd urge her to have the surgery. More than likely it will provide immense relief and allow her to work. As it is now she's throwing money away, remains unemployed and unhappy. Given that the plethora of conservative therapy performed hasn't improved her symptoms, it is unlikely that she's going to miraculously respond to yet another " idea " . Just my 2 cents. I've been frustrated as of late with a few cases of mine where the patient stubbornly refuses surgery, when indeed it's their best option. ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic 1607 NE Alberta St PDX, OR 97211 503-788-6800 ----- Original Message ----- From: drjohansenjuno Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:22 AM Subject: [From OregonDCs] Morton's neuroma Listmates, I have a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes 3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, one cortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant to operate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture, topical analgesics including DMSO Patient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love to work but is afraid a job on her feet would " kill me " Any treatment ideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCO Chiropractic Life Center 12762 SE Stark Street Portland Oregon 97233 Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818 ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! AwesomePennyStocks.com -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 It sounds like she has explored all possible options . Graston on that nerve down there may be too difficult to even tolerate, and could indeed aggravate the situation. BUT... I am a chiropractor too, and of course also attempt to exhaust all viable conservative options before surgery. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800 Morton's neuroma Listmates, I have a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes 3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, one cortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant to operate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture, topical analgesics including DMSOPatient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love to work but is afraid a job on her feet would "kill me" Any treatment ideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818____________________________________________________________Penny Stock Jumping 2000%Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!AwesomePennyStocks.com -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Ron, I’ve had good luck with the teardrop shaped pad that Stony taught us to make out of cotton which is worn proximal to the met heads and when you step down on it tends to spread the mets apart if the shoes allow it. I also rented a spare ultrasound machine to a guy who had years of plantar fasciitis and tons of injections, etc. He ultrasounded and iced every night for 2 months and it wiped out his pain. He bought a machine that he found online just to have one. Sometimes conservative therapies work but they don’t get a chance to have the frequency and duration necessary to get past the acuity and the stress and strain of life. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com From: Ron Johansen <drjohansen@...> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:22:02 GMT < > Subject: Morton's neuroma Listmates, I have a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes 3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, one cortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant to operate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture, topical analgesics including DMSO Patient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love to work but is afraid a job on her feet would " kill me " Any treatment ideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCO Chiropractic Life Center 12762 SE Stark Street Portland Oregon 97233 Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818 ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4c40a375d51972a7710st03vuc> AwesomePennyStocks.com <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4c40a375d51972a7710st03vuc> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Isn't Morton's neuroma the end result of walking on a distal metatarsal subluxation? ...years and years of that pressure? If an actual nodule has formed, yes, surgery may be a needed component. But scarring of the sole of the foot is not a small thing. It can create more problems than the surgery solves. The other component of surgery is the anesthesia. Depending on whether it is epidural, local or sleep-induced, there is a pay off to the human' immune system and cardiovascular system and respiratory system, and ultimately the gastrointestinal system. Making that decision is not cut and dried, to use a pun. So, why not just adjust the metararsal, support the foot with an elastic brace and adjust it again. If the nodulation is there, you are eliminating the cause, to the degree the body will allow so the surgery CAN be a success. At that point, healing actually requires both docs: the surgeon and the adjustor. my 2 cents. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com ; drjohansen@...From: spinetree@...Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:15:39 -0700Subject: Re: Morton's neuroma I just don't understand sometimes why people are sooo frightened of surgery when they've pretty much exhausted all other modalities. I'd urge her to have the surgery. More than likely it will provide immense relief and allow her to work. As it is now she's throwing money away, remains unemployed and unhappy. Given that the plethora of conservative therapy performed hasn't improved her symptoms, it is unlikely that she's going to miraculously respond to yet another "idea". Just my 2 cents. I've been frustrated as of late with a few cases of mine where the patient stubbornly refuses surgery, when indeed it's their best option. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800 Morton's neuroma Listmates, I have a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes 3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, one cortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant to operate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture, topical analgesics including DMSOPatient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love to work but is afraid a job on her feet would "kill me" Any treatment ideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon 97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818____________________________________________________________Penny Stock Jumping 2000%Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today!AwesomePennyStocks.com Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Shaorron where do yòu practice at? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Morton's neuroma I am one of those folks who dreads surgery and will try every option known to man before submitting to the knife. There are so many alternatives to surgery I think it is reasonable to explore all possible options before going to the extreme of surgery. Schneider DC PDX On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1@... <mailto:drjdyson1@...> > wrote: I agree, Joe! Sometimes surgery is the best option. Jamey On Jul 16, 2010, at 1:15 PM, joe medlin wrote: I just don't understand sometimes why people are sooo frightened of surgery when they've pretty much exhausted all other modalities. I'd urge her to have the surgery. More than likely it will provide immense relief and allow her to work. As it is now she's throwing money away, remains unemployed and unhappy. Given that the plethora of conservative therapy performed hasn't improved her symptoms, it is unlikely that she's going to miraculously respond to yet another " idea " . Just my 2 cents. I've been frustrated as of late with a few cases of mine where the patient stubbornly refuses surgery, when indeed it's their best option. ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic 1607 NE Alberta St PDX, OR 97211 503-788-6800 Morton's neuroma Listmates, I have a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes 3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, one cortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant to operate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture, topical analgesics including DMSO Patient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love to work but is afraid a job on her feet would " kill me " Any treatment ideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCO Chiropractic Life Center 12762 SE Stark Street Portland Oregon 97233 Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818 ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4c40a375d51972a7710st03vuc> AwesomePennyStocks.com <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4c40a375d51972a7710st03vuc> -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Sharron, I would hope that any compassionate and caring doctor would allow his personal fears and and hard won opinions to sway his clinical thinking!! I was misdiagnosed for headaches when I was in college and ended up taking well over 5,000 pain pills-including a long coarse on Valium. A chiropractic college student intern resolved my headache problem with simple adjustments and quality yoga instruction. I now have a passionate dislike for unnecessary drugs. It is my personal opinion and my professional opinion that drugs are often over prescribed by MD's. Has my clinical thinking been swayed by my personal fears and opinions? Hell yes it has and I think it should be. Some of us doctors are in this profession because we were mistreated/misdiagnosed by well meaning medical folks in the past. If this passion to do good drives us to help many people regain their health I see this as a great thing. So yes my personal fears and opinions do influence my clinical thinking and I am proud to admit this. Schneider DCPDXOn Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Sharron Fuchs <sharronf@...> wrote: ‘dreads surgery’ : my comment - nobody really ‘likes’ it ‘before submitting to the knife’ : my comment - one could also be thankful that there are skilled people who know what they are doing – submission? Well, okay you do have to lie down for surgery……guess that is submission? ‘going to the extreme of surgery’ : my comment – surgery is not always ‘extreme’ – some times it is just plain common sense to prevent further injury and not prolong suffering… Do doctor’s personal fears and opinions sway their clinical thinking? s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Schneider Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:27 PM Jamey Dyson Cc: joe medlin; Subject: Re: Morton's neuroma I am one of those folks who dreads surgery and will try every option known to man before submitting to the knife. There are so many alternatives to surgery I think it is reasonable to explore all possible options before going to the extreme of surgery. Schneider DC PDX On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1@...> wrote: I agree, Joe! Sometimes surgery is the best option. Jamey On Jul 16, 2010, at 1:15 PM, joe medlin wrote: I just don't understand sometimes why people are sooo frightened of surgery when they've pretty much exhausted all other modalities. I'd urge her to have the surgery. More than likely it will provide immense relief and allow her to work. As it is now she's throwing money away, remains unemployed and unhappy. Given that the plethora of conservative therapy performed hasn't improved her symptoms, it is unlikely that she's going to miraculously respond to yet another " idea " . Just my 2 cents. I've been frustrated as of late with a few cases of mine where the patient stubbornly refuses surgery, when indeed it's their best option. ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic 1607 NE Alberta St PDX, OR 97211 503-788-6800 ----- Original Message ----- From: drjohansen@... To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:22 AM Subject: [From OregonDCs] Morton's neuroma Listmates, I have a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes 3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, one cortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant to operate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture, topical analgesics including DMSO Patient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love to work but is afraid a job on her feet would " kill me " Any treatment ideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCO Chiropractic Life Center 12762 SE Stark Street Portland Oregon 97233 Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818 ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! AwesomePennyStocks.com -- Schneider DC PDX -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 But what about the other extreme? Clinicall decisions are rational , methodical, based on clinical experience with a dose of common sense. The language used was seemingly 'biased ' and that is what can sway. That is not our job. I needed surgery on my neck as I was headed to quadraplegia I had an ignorant DC say I didn't need it this was purely due to their own ego and bias....thank god my own DC knew better.s.fuchs dcSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 16, 2010, at 11:38 PM, " Schneider" <portlandchiro1@...> wrote:Sharron, I would hope that any compassionate and caring doctor would allow his personal fears and and hard won opinions to sway his clinical thinking!! I was misdiagnosed for headaches when I was in college and ended up taking well over 5,000 pain pills-including a long coarse on Valium. A chiropractic college student intern resolved my headache problem with simple adjustments and quality yoga instruction. I now have a passionate dislike for unnecessary drugs. It is my personal opinion and my professional opinion that drugs are often over prescribed by MD's. Has my clinical thinking been swayed by my personal fears and opinions? Hell yes it has and I think it should be. Some of us doctors are in this profession because we were mistreated/misdiagnosed by well meaning medical folks in the past. If this passion to do good drives us to help many people regain their health I see this as a great thing. So yes my personal fears and opinions do influence my clinical thinking and I am proud to admit this. Schneider DCPDXOn Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Sharron Fuchs <sharronf@...> wrote: ‘dreads surgery’ : mycomment - nobody really ‘likes’ it ‘before submitting to the knife’ : my comment - one could also bethankful that there are skilled people who know what they are doing –submission? Well, okay you do have to lie down for surgery……guess that is submission? ‘going to the extreme of surgery’ : my comment – surgery is not always ‘extreme’– some times it is just plain common sense to prevent further injury and notprolong suffering… Do doctor’s personal fears and opinions sway their clinical thinking? s. fuchs dcFrom: [mailto: ] On BehalfOf SchneiderSent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:27PMJamey DysonCc: joe medlin; Subject: Re: Morton's neuroma I am one of those folks who dreads surgery and willtry every option known to man before submitting to the knife. There areso many alternatives to surgery I think it is reasonable to explore allpossible options before going to the extreme of surgery. Schneider DCPDXOn Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1@...> wrote: I agree, Joe! Sometimes surgery is the bestoption. Jamey On Jul 16, 2010, at 1:15 PM, joe medlin wrote: Ijust don't understand sometimes why people are sooo frightened of surgery whenthey've pretty much exhausted all other modalities. I'd urge her to have thesurgery. More than likely it will provide immense relief and allow her to work.As it is now she's throwing money away, remains unemployed and unhappy. Giventhat the plethora of conservative therapy performed hasn't improved hersymptoms, it is unlikely that she's going to miraculously respond to yetanother "idea". Justmy 2 cents. I'vebeen frustrated as of late with a few cases of mine where the patientstubbornly refuses surgery, when indeed it's their best option. phMedlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800 [FromOregonDCs] Morton's neuroma Listmates, Ihave a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, onecortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant tooperate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture,topical analgesics including DMSOPatient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love towork but is afraid a job on her feet would "kill me" Any treatmentideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCOChiropractic Life Center12762 SE Stark StreetPortland Oregon97233Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818____________________________________________________________Penny Stock Jumping 2000%Sign up to the #1 voted penny stocknewsletter for free today!AwesomePennyStocks.com -- Schneider DC PDX-- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Sharron , you seem to be missing the point here. One's personal fears and opinions are not mutually exclusive to good clinical judgment/decisions. Good clinical decisions are based on clear eyed,accurate assessment of the patients health picture and then making the correct decision as to the course of the treatment. One's personal opinions and fears are neither here nor there in regard to good clinical judgment-no more than one's hair color or ethnic background would be. I will most assuredly continue to consult my personal opinions and fears when I make any clinical decisions for my most valued patients and loved ones. I would hope that all good doctors would do the same. Schneider DC PDX.On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Sharron Fuchs <SharronF@...> wrote: But what about the other extreme? Clinicall decisions are rational , methodical, based on clinical experience with a dose of common sense. The language used was seemingly 'biased ' and that is what can sway. That is not our job. I needed surgery on my neck as I was headed to quadraplegia I had an ignorant DC say I didn't need it this was purely due to their own ego and bias....thank god my own DC knew better. s.fuchs dcSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 16, 2010, at 11:38 PM, " Schneider " <portlandchiro1@...> wrote: Sharron, I would hope that any compassionate and caring doctor would allow his personal fears and and hard won opinions to sway his clinical thinking!! I was misdiagnosed for headaches when I was in college and ended up taking well over 5,000 pain pills-including a long coarse on Valium. A chiropractic college student intern resolved my headache problem with simple adjustments and quality yoga instruction. I now have a passionate dislike for unnecessary drugs. It is my personal opinion and my professional opinion that drugs are often over prescribed by MD's. Has my clinical thinking been swayed by my personal fears and opinions? Hell yes it has and I think it should be. Some of us doctors are in this profession because we were mistreated/misdiagnosed by well meaning medical folks in the past. If this passion to do good drives us to help many people regain their health I see this as a great thing. So yes my personal fears and opinions do influence my clinical thinking and I am proud to admit this. Schneider DCPDXOn Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Sharron Fuchs <sharronf@...> wrote: ‘dreads surgery’ : my comment - nobody really ‘likes’ it ‘before submitting to the knife’ : my comment - one could also be thankful that there are skilled people who know what they are doing – submission? Well, okay you do have to lie down for surgery……guess that is submission? ‘going to the extreme of surgery’ : my comment – surgery is not always ‘extreme’ – some times it is just plain common sense to prevent further injury and not prolong suffering… Do doctor’s personal fears and opinions sway their clinical thinking? s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Schneider Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 1:27 PM Jamey Dyson Cc: joe medlin; Subject: Re: Morton's neuroma I am one of those folks who dreads surgery and will try every option known to man before submitting to the knife. There are so many alternatives to surgery I think it is reasonable to explore all possible options before going to the extreme of surgery. Schneider DC PDX On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1@...> wrote: I agree, Joe! Sometimes surgery is the best option. Jamey On Jul 16, 2010, at 1:15 PM, joe medlin wrote: I just don't understand sometimes why people are sooo frightened of surgery when they've pretty much exhausted all other modalities. I'd urge her to have the surgery. More than likely it will provide immense relief and allow her to work. As it is now she's throwing money away, remains unemployed and unhappy. Given that the plethora of conservative therapy performed hasn't improved her symptoms, it is unlikely that she's going to miraculously respond to yet another " idea " . Just my 2 cents. I've been frustrated as of late with a few cases of mine where the patient stubbornly refuses surgery, when indeed it's their best option. ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic 1607 NE Alberta St PDX, OR 97211 503-788-6800 ----- Original Message ----- From: drjohansen@... To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:22 AM Subject: [From OregonDCs] Morton's neuroma Listmates, I have a 45 year old female patient with Morton's neuroma between toes 3-4.Previous podiatric tx included orthotics, 9 injections(8 sclerosing, one cortisone).New podiatrist has fabricated new orthotics.,and is reluctant to operate. Patient also has had ultrasound pt, cold laser,cryogenic,acupuncture, topical analgesics including DMSO Patient is apprehensive about surgery,is currently unemployed and would love to work but is afraid a job on her feet would " kill me " Any treatment ideas /options? R Johansen D.C. PC,DABCO Chiropractic Life Center 12762 SE Stark Street Portland Oregon 97233 Voice 5032557746,Fax 5032550818 ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! 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Guest guest Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Hi all, I will be having an operation on both feet tomorrow to remove morton's neuroma, just wondered if it is related to hypothyroidism in any way ? luv Sue X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Hi Sue ....almost any condition in the body will be altered by hypothyroidism.... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20539960 Postoperative MR imaging of the foot and ankle: tendon repair, ligament repair, and Morton's neuroma resection http://www.ajronline.org/cgi/content/full/175/3/649 Morton's Neuroma Is It Always Symptomatic? Hope all goes well tomorrow.. best wishes Bob >> Hi all, I will be having an operation on both feet tomorrow to remove morton's neuroma, just wondered if it is related to hypothyroidism in any way ? luv Sue X> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Yes it is. I would use a product supplement called MSM from Nutri helpsa great deal. However, if you got your thyroid support sorted you would find that would ease on its own. Hope it goes well perhaps a little late to stop the show now.But most definately associated. Sally xx Hi all, I will be having an operation on both feet tomorrow to remove morton's neuroma, just wondered if it is related to hypothyroidism in any way ? luv Sue X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 HI My Nephew has mentioned that he has problems with Morton's Neuroma, and he has a lot of other problems including smoking, but although I think he has the symptoms of Hypothyroidism his has again relied on blood tests results saying that his thyroid is OK.He refused to have any surgery on it. Kathleen > > Yes it is. > I would use a product supplement called MSM from Nutri helpsa great deal. However, if you got your thyroid support sorted you would find that would ease on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Thank you Sally, Op went well 2 large neuroma's removed, 2 silly boots to wear and crutches for 2 weeks. I had TFT's done at the pre op and wanted the results with the ranges, was told by one as she snatched the paper out of my hand " THANK YOU " what a madam, I said freedom of information, she replied you " have to pay for that " . I then asked 2 different individuals and by one got told i had to request in writing and pay �20, the other nurse said they could'nt find them on the system, i did over hear her say to the sister (but there her results)!! Good look for your son Kathleen hope his get better on their own, try what Sally suggested (MSM from Nutri) if mine come back i will give them a try luv Sue X > > > > > Yes it is. > > I would use a product supplement called MSM from Nutri helpsa great deal. However, if you got your thyroid support sorted you would find that would ease on its own. > Moderated!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Sue, go to your GP and ask for your results there, he will get them up on screen and you can write them down. You should NOT have to pay such a large sum just to get blood test results, and you should not have to request blood results in writing either, this is an incredibly bad way to treat patients. I NEVER have to write to get my blood results and certainly never been asked to pay a penny, either by my endocrinologist or my GP. Yes, if you want to have access to your medical notes, then you do have to pay, because they have to make a room available to you so you can sit down and read them and make notes, and you therefore do have to write and give notification that you need access. I would actually report this matter to the Chief Executive of the hospital and point out other Freedom of Information Act and the Data Protection Act and I would ask why you were refused these. Such nurses should be told what they can and what they cannot allow. It just makes my blood boil when I hear how some nurses treat their patients. Luv - Sheila Op went well 2 large neuroma's removed, 2 silly boots to wear and crutches for 2 weeks. I had TFT's done at the pre op and wanted the results with the ranges, was told by one as she snatched the paper out of my hand " THANK YOU " what a madam, I said freedom of information, she replied you " have to pay for that " . I then asked 2 different individuals and by one got told i had to request in writing and pay �20, the other nurse said they could'nt find them on the system, i did over hear her say to the sister (but there her results)!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 > > > > Hi all, I will be having an operation on both feet tomorrow to remove > morton's neuroma, > > > Thankyou Bob, mine was causing me problems so needed removing like this lol http://www.thefootandankle & #8203;clinic.com/article224secti & #8203;on13.htm gruesome but informative, by the way i had the op yesturday and i hope all went well, it is noy very common to get it in both feet, that is what made me think it might be related to the hypothyroidism. thankyou again, luv Sue X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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