[_Chat] Re: HCG + 500 cal diet - questions, questions, questions...

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Hi Mandy, it shouldn't be a case of whether or not you or anybody else

is " on my side " , as in this particular case, I have no 'side'. I

neither believe nor disbelieve in homeopathy. I happily accept that homeopathy,

complementary, alternative and Chinese medicine are all ancient arts which have

been used for centuries, and if they didn't work, they would not be in use

today. I admit to not knowing how any of them work - I leave that to the

scientists, but I guess I am too trusting, and I therefore am unable to answer

the questions you pose, but I do understand where you are coming from.

However, following on from what has written, the following

may be of interest you?:

A

Nobel prize-winning scientist has made a discovery about the nature of water that suggests the therapy does have a scientific

basis.

07

July 2010

In the week that

doctors have described homeopathy as ‘nonsense on stilts’, a Nobel

prize-winning scientist has made a discovery about the nature of water that

suggests the therapy does have a scientific basis. Professor Luc Montagnier, a

French virologist who won the Nobel prize for discovering a link between HIV

and AIDS, has shocked fellow Nobel prize-winners by telling them that water has

a memory that continues even after many dilutions. The idea is one of the

foundations of homeopathy, which maintains that the potency of a substance is

increased with its dilution. Montagnier has discovered that solutions

containing the DNA of viruses and bacteria “could emit low frequency radio

wavesâ€. These waves influence molecules aro......

http://www.wddty.com/nobel-scientist-discovers-scientific-basis-of-homeopathy.ht\ml

more

detail below link http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,134

Nobel

Prize-Winning Virologist's New Research Gives Significant Support to Homeopathic Pharmacology - by Dana Ullman, MPH,

Professor

Luc Montagnier is a French virologist who co-discovered HIV and who won the

Nobel Prize in 2008. Dr. Montagnier has received many other significant

awards, though his newest research, which may explain how and why homeopathic

medicines maintain their biological activity in extreme dilution, may be his

most significant to date.

In

a recent paper, Prof Montagnier, and his team report the results of a series of

rigorous experiments investigating the electromagnetic (EM) properties of

highly-diluted biological samples. This new research is significant

enough that the bio of Prof Montagnier on wikipedia already highlights

it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier#Electromagnetic_signals_from_bacterial_DNA

(however,

predictably enough, this research is ignored in wikipedia’s article on

homeopathy).

The

abstract of this research in part asserts, “A novel property of DNA is

described: the capacity of some bacterial DNA sequences to induce

electromagnetic waves at high aqueous dilutions. It appears to be a resonance

phenomenon triggered by the ambient electromagnetic background of very low

frequency waves.â€

Although

homeopathy is not mentioned anywhere in the article, the researchers used

aqueous solutions that were agitated and serially diluted (the researchers note

that the solutions were “strongly agitated†and that this step was “critical

for the generation of signalsâ€). The researchers also note that they used

a device made by French immunologist Jacques Benveniste (the famous

physician/scientist who conducted studies testing homeopathic doses and whose

work was initially published in NATURE, and then, it was “debunked†in that

same journal a month later).

The

researchers found that pathogenic bacteria and viruses show a distinct EM

signature at dilutions ranging from 10(-5) to 10(-12) (corresponding to 5X to

12X) and that small DNA fragments (responsible for pathogenicity) were solely

accountable for the EM signal.

The

researchers also noted that one experiment found significant effects from

dilutions as high as 10(-18) (equivalent to 18X). The EM signature

changed with dilution levels but was unaffected by the initial concentration

and remained even after the remaining DNA fragments were destroyed by chemical

agents. Of additional interest was the researchers’ observation that they

observed the SAME results whether their initial concentration of cells were

just 10 or 10(9)(this is 10 to the 9th power = 10,000,000,000 cells).

They

observed that the EM signal was destroyed by heating or freezing the sample (a

common observation that homeopaths have also found in their medicines). Also, a

'cross-talk' effect was found whereby a negative sample inhibits the positive

signal in another sample if they are left together overnight in a shielded

container. The researchers propose that specific aqueous nanostructures form in

the samples during the dilution process and are responsible for the EM effects

measured.

The

researchers also detected the same electromagnetic signals in the plasma and in

the DNA extracted from the plasma of patients suffering from Alzheimer,

Parkinson disease, multiple sclerosis, and rheumatoid arthritis.

The

researchers also quote Italian physicist, E. Del Guidice, the same scientist

who Benveniste cited, for positing that water molecules can form long polymers

of dipoles associated by hydrogen bonds and that electromagnetic radiations

that the emit enable them to avoid decay.

With

this initial paper Prof Montagnier and his team have started a very promising

line of enquiry, which has direct relevance to homeopathy as they continue to

investigate the characteristic physico-chemical properties found in

high-dilutions of biological material.

Reference:

Luc Montagnier, Jamal Aissa, Stéphane Ferris, Jean-Luc Montagnier, Claude

Lavallee, Electromagnetic Signals Are Produced by Aqueous Nanostructures

Derived from Bacterial DNA Sequences. Interdiscip Sci Comput Life Sci

(2009) 1: 81-90.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/0557v31188m3766x/fulltext.pdf

People

interested in CLINICAL RESEARCH on homeopathy will benefit greatly

by purchasing Dana Ullman’s e-book that references and describes over 200

controlled clinical trials. For details and/or to purchase, go to:

http://www.homeopathic.com/store/hfm/ebook_hfm.jsp

Much

thanks to Tournier and the Homeopathic Research Institute for

initially alerting me to this new research (http://homeoinst.org/).

I totally agree with you - it has worked for you and I so believe

Dr S to be right in his theory - I have always said to people when I was 8.5

stones I could eat what I liked or not eat at all it was as if I was 'locked'

in to my weight and I said it the other day to my husband - I am now 14.7 lbs

and I seem to be locked in again to that figure no matter what I do. I

have also been tested and over 50% of my body is just fat so I have a serious

serious problem.

So I am on your side believe me and I am over the moon that this

has come my way - you are evidence enough and the others that it works.

However, I would like to know where the drops come from - i.e.

how are they made if they are coming from a female hormonal system then where

is this coming from and are they disease free (Aids etc.) - I remember only too

well the CJD issue with human growth hormone given to the children for their

short stature by endocrinologists in the UK and it backfired on them.

Hormones can and do carry disease states with them so we need to know where

they are coming from and how they are made.

As I said to you there will be people out there ready to shoot down

his theories just like they shoot down our thyroid and adrenal theories but we

need to know where these things are being made and where the raw material is

coming from.

Best wishes

Mandy

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