thyroid

[Guest guest]

Dear Patti,

Thank you. It was your initial post about the website that got me back

into looking at thyroid supplementation. I will certainly check out Dr.

' book as well as options for getting Armour overseas if necessary.

Hugs,

Theresa

[Guest guest]

> From: " Theresa Romani " <tromani@...>

> Thank you. It was your initial post about the website

> that got me back

> into looking at thyroid supplementation. I will certainly

> check out Dr.

> ' book as well as options for getting Armour overseas

> if necessary.

I read Dr. Broda Barne's book several years ago. I just read

it again last week. I remember thinking " my LIFE is in that

book " . I got more out of it the second time around. So many

of us have hypothyroid symptoms, it seems like the docs should

be checking that out first. But they're so brainwashed about

blood tests that they can't see the patient's symptoms through

the norms. They say if you're " low normal " that you should be

fine - not need any thyroid. I loved this quote from the

following url:

http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa060198.htm?pid=2750 & cob=home

" I totally disagree with that scale [the TSH normal range] and

how they tell me if I'm normal or not by that scale. It's like

saying it's okay to be at a " D " because only " F " is failing.

But why would I want to be at a " D " when I could be at an " A?! "

EXACTLY!! I want an A (OK I'll settle for a , not a D or a D-!

BTW - for whoever posted this site:

http://thyroid.about.com/index.htm

THANKS! Its GREAT! what a WEALTH of info!!!

Also, I KNOW thyroid isn't the magic bullet - at least for most of us.

After reading Barne's book, I thought everything would be fine if I

could just get on Armour. Well, things DID get better - a LOT better,

but I still have CFIDS/MCS/FM. It works so well for me that I simply

wouldn't consider going without it (unless by some miracle I don't need

it any more). In fact I would try to obtain it illegally if I couldn't

get a script. (this disease is turning me into SUCH a RADICAL!!)

Patti

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[Guest guest]

Schweitzer wrote:

> From: Schweitzer <schweit2@...>

>

> As I understand it, Immunocal should REDUCE fevers.

Some on the list have said that it does (those that normally run fevers) Some

of us who are normally cold will spike lowgrade fevers on it.......wonder if

this means that it normalizes an immune

system either way????

>

>

> But yes, the fever that goes along with Ampligen is presumed to be your

> immune system cranking back up again to fight diseases. Supposedly, the

> higher temperature makes it harder for the viruses to survive. With

> viruses, you tend to run a low-grade fever for a long time; with

> bacteria, you're more likely to spike a high fever suddenly.

that was always my understanding, that our bodies basically " cook " the bugs to

death with the fever response. So I have to wonder about the med systems theory

of taking meds to always bring down a

fever whenever anybody gets one..........seems that would just prolong

illnesses.....

>

>

> Your thyroid has two types of thyroid hormone -- T4, which is stored for

> later use, and T3, which is what the body actually uses.

>

> When your thyroid is too low, your pituitary produces something called

> TSH which tells your thyroid gland to send out more thyroid hormone.

> One of the ways it does it is to produce more T3; another way is to

> convert stored T4 to T3. Either way, the T3 is what your body needs.

I have been on T4 for years and it shows normal levels in my blood and doesn't

seem to do much for the way I feel, although I was even worse without it. What

brand of T3 are you taking??? Are you

taking Armour thyroid? The primitive docs I have seen don't believe in

supplementing T3, believe totally in their blood tests (I never have) My first

docs wouldn't even give me ANY thyroid cause

the T3 and T4 were very low normal and TSH was high. They ignored the TSH. I

suffered for years without any supplements. Same docs didn't believe in CFS and

suffered at their hands for that

too......

>

>

> In my own case, I have antibodies attacking my thyroid (perhaps due to

> the HHV-6a infection I had) -- it started a year after I collapsed with

> CFS/M.E. -- so when my pituitary sends out TSH to my thyroid gland and

> say, " produce more thyroid, " my poor thyroid tries, but it gets attacked

> by antibodies. The more TSH pushes my thyroid, the more my thyroid gets

> attacked -- and the greater the danger it will get inflamed, or even

> cancer.

What tests do you have for this?? What are the sypmtoms of this? I know I have

never been tested for it.

> So I have to take thyroid supplements. We started out with T4, but it

> didn't seem to do anything -- so we can guess I seem to have some sort

> of T4 to T3 conversion problems too. Now all I take is T3, and it seems

> to work -- that is, it's keeping the TSH levels low (so my thyroid isn't

> being pushed), and the T3 levels are good. My T4 levels are low, but if

> you have enough T3, you don't really need T4. Or so I'm told.

I haven't found anyone that wants to test anything but T4 in the last years,

very frustrating.

> Here's my favorite source of information:

> http://www.endocrineweb.com/tests.html

Does one need to actually go to an endocrinologist to get the proper testing

done and T3 prescribed? We just got new insurance fairly recently, an HMO, not

looking forward to starting all over.

Never have had very good insurance, so my testing and treatment has been very

limited. You can only be told you are crazy so many times and eventually you

just go away..........which is what they

are hoping we all will do...........its so hard to fight the system when you are

so handicapped with this fatigue and mental fog......

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Dear /Marcia,

I have a lot of symptoms that are consistent with a thyroid problem and

a great, caring doc who agreed to try supplementing with Armour thyroid even

while we waited for test results. The panel compared to the one done about a

year ago came out " normal " and nearly identical to each other. I tried the

Armour for 3 weeks and all I felt was more edgy/anxious. We mutually agreed

to stop the experiment. It seems that whatever my personal problem is, it

isn't the thyroid. I've heard others say that this can actually be an

adrenal problem but I have not tried this type of supplement. Has anyone

else? I have gotten a lot of relief of symptoms through other methods, but

still find myself tired in the mid-afternoon and sometimes even nap.

Hugs,

Theresa

[Guest guest]

> Doctors like the synthetic synthroid because the dose is more

> exact than in

> the natural amour thyroid.

I've heard that ad nauseum also, but I suspect that might

be one of those " doc myths " they use to scare us. Like the

myth they always drag out to scare you from taking thyroid.

Have you heard this one - If you take too much thyroid it will

cause osteoporosis. There is not ONE study that shows this to

be true. Another doc myth - Taking too much vitamin C will

cause kidney stones. Another myth. The original article

on this said Vit C was so dangerous and claimed kidney stones,

but when other researchers checked into their data, found they

just made the statement without a shred of evidence. They

were called on it, and the journal printed a retraction later.

Interestingly, only the original fraud article got press, the

retraction never did. and docs to this day are trotting out

this fraud " data " to scare people off of taking vitamins.

I've read several sites that say Armour is just as " exact "

as synthroid. I haven't looked into it alot, so I don't

have that much of an opinion on it, but keep in mind this

might be a doc myth also.

They say A *LOT* of things that have little or no basis

in fact. You can never trust them.

> Like you, I handle amrour much

> better even if

> dose of thyroid is not as exact.

> My lyme doc is going to

> increase mine -

> I'm on a grain now.

I suspect I should be on a little more also.

BTW - did you stop getting colds/flu/etc when you went

on thyroid? I did!

Patti

--

[Guest guest]

>From: " Skari, M " <SkariPM@...>

>

>> Doctors like the synthetic synthroid because the dose is more exact than

i the natural amour thyroid.

>

>I've heard that ad nauseum also, but I suspect that might

>be one of those " doc myths " they use to scare us. Like the

>myth they always drag out to scare you from taking thyroid.

Guess I was lucky because I was encouraged to take it even tho I was

low-normal, but my doc was a bit alternative too.

>Have you heard this one - If you take too much thyroid it will

>cause osteoporosis.

NO! But I have it and was a heavy exerciser!

There is not ONE study that shows this to

>be true. Another doc myth - Taking too much vitamin C will

>cause kidney stones. Another myth. The original article

>on this said Vit C was so dangerous and claimed kidney stones,

>but when other researchers checked into their data, found they

>just made the statement without a shred of evidence. They

>were called on it, and the journal printed a retraction later.

>Interestingly, only the original fraud article got press, the

>retraction never did. and docs to this day are trotting out

>this fraud " data " to scare people off of taking vitamins.

Well, this makes drug co's rich, but how does it benefit them, I wonder?

They probably just know drugs better than nutrition!

>I've read several sites that say Armour is just as " exact "

>as synthroid.

Good, then we can show this to docs! Do you have a site you can share?

>They say A *LOT* of things that have little or no basis

>in fact. You can never trust them.

MANY seem to not keep up well with current research and hold on to old

information. Sad we can't trust so many docs! I am causiously trusting

lyme doc, however.

>

>> Like you, I handle amrour much

>> better even if

>> dose of thyroid is not as exact.

>

>BTW - did you stop getting colds/flu/etc when you went

>on thyroid?

>

NO! INfections like this have ruined my silly life!! And no one can

figure out WHY I have these infections! If in fact, I am fighting lyme,

then I can understand it. Also, I have allergies, used to get shots which

helped, but stopped when I got lupus dx. I was going back on them but lyme

doc says to wait. Well, as usual I'll probably decide for myself! lol!

Actually not so funny - I thought so much of my own opinion that I quit

lyme treatent is 94, and now, here I am - 10 steps backward!

I feel like n - take everything and hope for the best! But I will do

things one at a time. Am holding off on intferon until all lyme tests are

done, then will get back on that. Then perhaps deal with allergies....BUt

I will see the lyme treatment through this time!! ABX's seem to have

helped so many CFIDS people that I wonder if it is not infection of some

sort, as I have said before. Ah well, we are the guina pigs, and I have

decided that that is my purpose in life!

Take care!

CHristie

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti - Did you find any difference to ALLERGIES when you started on

thyroid? I have recently gotten back my immune response to colds and flu

(due to my abx courses???) but now have the most debilitating allergies.

This seems to be a constant nexus in me - immunity and allergies or no

immunity and less allergies.

Cheers, JR

PS I agree heartily with your comments aobut doctors trotting out the old

folk lore without having any evidence. i got it for 10 years about ulcers

being due to stress. And many other examples.

>BTW - did you stop getting colds/flu/etc when you went

>on thyroid? I did!

>

>Patti

n

Tel/Fax +61-2-6239 6226

Canberra, Australia

[Guest guest]

n,

> Hi Patti - Did you find any difference to ALLERGIES when you

> started on

> thyroid?

I'm not sure how to answer this question, because when I

started taking thyroid I wasn't as observant about how

things affected me. I don't have normal allergies (the

kind you find by the standard allergy testing) I've always

tested absolutely negative to all tested allergens.

However, my allergist uses a different allergy testing

method (I think its called the titration method?). Since

this type of testing is not common, there are not that

many allergens you can be tested for. With these tests

I turned out to be wildly allergic to wheat. However I

had this testing done a year or more AFTER I started using

Armour. I suspect, now that I know how wheat affects me,

that I've always been allergic to wheat. I don't think this

allergy got worse when I went on thyroid.

I do have relatively severe multiple chemical sensitivities,

which are not really allergies. I got MCS BEFORE taking

Armour. I think my MCS got worse after being

on thyroid. I've always been a little suspicious that my

MCS got worse because of the thyroid. My MCS has been

better lately (fatigue and FM pain much worse), but I'm on

the same thyroid dose as when my MCS was much worse

so I don't know if any conclusions can be drawn.

So the answer to your question is a big " I don't know " .

I was always SOOOO sick with sinus infections, strep,

bronchitis, pneumonia, etc, that I definitely prefer

the MCS to the constant infections (if that is really the

trade off here). Sorry, I really don't have an answer for you.

Broda Barne's book says that people's allergies normally

get better on thyroid.

> I have recently gotten back my immune response to

> colds and flu

> (due to my abx courses???) but now have the most debilitating

> allergies.

What kind of allergies? How are they affecting you (runny nose,

itchy eyes etc)? Did you have allergies before abx?

Are you taking any thyroid? Do you have any thyroid tests to go on?

> This seems to be a constant nexus in me - immunity and allergies or no

> immunity and less allergies.

Which abx are you taking? What dosing schedule are you following?

Are you taking any antivirals?

> PS I agree heartily with your comments aobut doctors trotting

> out the old

> folk lore without having any evidence. i got it for 10 years

> about ulcers

> being due to stress. And many other examples.

Its amazing to me the fiction they accept as fact and the

facts they accuse of being fiction. Sounds like brainwashing

to me!

Did you get your ulcer healed? I found I had an

ulcer just before I went off to college. I tried to follow

their " bland diet " . What a crock. The diet made me feel

worse. I ended up sharing an appartment with 2 indians

and a chinese woman. They ate *really* spicy food and my

doc warned me not to eat their food, but I did and my

ulcer went away! (I did have a mild one, so maybe it

would have gone away anyway, but I thougt it was funny that

I did exactly the opposite of what my doc said and the

ulcer went away)

Patti

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[Guest guest]

Armour has all the thyroid hormones in it, not only T4 and T3, but also T,

T2, T7 and a whole bunch of others which can be important if you are

deficient in them. It is actually made from pig thyroid, not cattle thyroid

as is widely believed, so mad cow disease is not a concern, that is of

course, until a mad pig disease scare comes along.

Regards, .

Thyroid

> From: Schweitzer <schweit2@...>

>

> Christie wrote:

> > Does anyone know which is in amour thyroid??

>

> Armour Thyroid is a natural product -- it is REAL thyroid all mushed up

> and turned into a pill. So it has everything that would be in a real

> thyroid gland -- both T4 and T3, but more T4 than T3 (because the gland

> stores thyroid mostly as T4, then converts it to T3 later as needed.)

> (we are talking about the thyroids T3 and T4, not transfer factor)

>

> Before they knew about T3, Armour Thyroid helped a lot of patients who

> did not improve on Synthroid (which is T4).

>

> But for someone like me, who responds poorly to T4, Armour wouldn't be a

> very good solution. I seem to do better on the pure T3.

>

> It is interesting to speculate what ELSE might be in Armour Thyroid that

> we just don't know about right now because we still haven't learned

> everything there is to learn about thyroids.

>

> The other problem with Armour Thyroid is that you can't be completely

> sure about the dose. Also, when " mad cow disease " was all over the

> press, I recall some concerns on these lists about Armour Thyroid being

> vulnerable because it was made from cattle. But I haven't heard

> anything about that lately.

>

> With CFIDS (in my humble experience!) if it WORKS, and doesn't seem to

> make you WORSE -- do it, and worry about why it works later!!

>

> Schweitzer

> mailto:schweit2@...

[Guest guest]

Hi All.....

I dont believe I have hypo or hyper...thyroidism either

I have allways been pretty healthy....knock on wood fast!!

My miracle twins were concieved through ivf with icsi where

they actually place the sperm in the egg & have it divide & who

knows if this pocess interrupted Skylars(ds) cells ?? & not Masons

But they are keepers anyway!!!!

Amber : )

[Guest guest]

HOW much energy did you have before you took and how much after. Also how long

did it take to notice any difference?

thanks

Steve

Hess wrote:

> I found a form of iodine to rebuild my thyroid and I have alot more energy.

> Six drops in the morning in veg juice (not just water or straight). It is

> pure iodine so non-toxic.

> From: TPCS distributors. www.Health-tpcs.com 800-838-8727. Cheap. Hey,

> why not?

>

> Pual

>

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. A

A couple of months ago, ran a story about Celine Dion's husband

and how he had throat cancer. Celine's mom talked to the Doctor's

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" john a allan " <jalla-@...> wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=5979

> can anyone assist? I have an acquaintance who has cancer of the

tongue & salivary glands. Surgery to half the tongue and chemo etc.

Went on to herbal supplements (I am unsure of what, but done through a

naturopath) & now has very much elevated thyroxin so has stopped

everything. I don't know what to suggest. Any Hints?

> . A

>

[Guest guest]

> can anyone assist? I have an acquaintance who has cancer of the

>tongue & salivary glands. Surgery to half the tongue and chemo etc.

>Went on to herbal supplements (I am unsure of what, but done through a

>naturopath) & now has very much elevated thyroxin so has stopped

>everything. I don't know what to suggest. Any Hints? . A

Dear ,

Call me at my office in California on 800 858-7477 week days. There may be

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Warm regards,

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[Guest guest]

cliff, after taking the Iosol you say it made a real difference in you

please respond with what that difference was. Thanks, Judy Hoffman

Thyroid

> Hi,

>

> A couple of posts regarding thyroid caused me to write this.

>

> Blood tests are not always a true measure of the activity of the Thyroid

> gland.

>

> There is one very accurate test the doctors don't use because they can't

> make any money on it.

>

> Before you go to bed at night shake a thermometer down to 96 and put it by

> the bed. In the morning before stirring around put it under the armpit

for

> ten minutes. If the temperature is under 97.8 the thyroid is not working

> well. Do it for three mornings. I did it and the temps were 96.8, 96.9

and

> 96.8.

>

> If that is the case get a bottle of Iosol, an iodine solution to be taken

> orally, and use four drops a day in a glass of water for two weeks and

then

> two drops a day from then on. If the thyroid is functioning at all it

will

> get the job done. I did it and it has made a real difference. There is

no

> danger whatever of overdoing it.

>

> With our salt free diets and emphasis on no salt, we are in danger of

Iodine

> defientcy.

>

> Cliff

>

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Where do you get losol?

[Guest guest]

Hi;

After I began using Iosol, I simply less " draggy " , a little more alive.

I am now 78. I remember my mother taking me for metabolism tests when I was

still in high school. They always showed OK.

Sometime back I was feeling lousy and just felt it had to be thyroid

activity that was a little low. I went for a test and it showed OK but I

don't think it really was.

Another self test that is quite reliable is to paint a spot about the size

of a quarter somewhere on your body with tincture of Iodine. If you thyroid

is OK the stain will still be there in 12 hours. On me, it would disappear

in 4. If the body needs iodine it will drink it in.

Cliff

Re: Thyroid

>cliff, after taking the Iosol you say it made a real difference in you

>please respond with what that difference was. Thanks, Judy Hoffman

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thyroid

>

>

>> Hi,

>>

>> A couple of posts regarding thyroid caused me to write this.

>>

>> Blood tests are not always a true measure of the activity of the Thyroid

>> gland.

>>

>> There is one very accurate test the doctors don't use because they can't

>> make any money on it.

>>

>> Before you go to bed at night shake a thermometer down to 96 and put it

by

>> the bed. In the morning before stirring around put it under the armpit

>for

>> ten minutes. If the temperature is under 97.8 the thyroid is not working

>> well. Do it for three mornings. I did it and the temps were 96.8, 96.9

>and

>> 96.8.

>>

>> If that is the case get a bottle of Iosol, an iodine solution to be taken

>> orally, and use four drops a day in a glass of water for two weeks and

>then

>> two drops a day from then on. If the thyroid is functioning at all it

>will

>> get the job done. I did it and it has made a real difference. There is

>no

>> danger whatever of overdoing it.

>>

>> With our salt free diets and emphasis on no salt, we are in danger of

>Iodine

>> defientcy.

>>

>> Cliff

>>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/00 2:33:56 PM Central Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<<

Hi back Gail!

was just diagnosed last year and takes Levoxyl (generic for

Synthroid) daily. Every time he starts to get out of control

behavior-wise,

the doctors (particularly the Psche's) wonder if he is going

" hyper-thyroid " ...(sigh). I can see a real difference in him since he has

been on it. More energy (and for , that's a stretch, he's a real

couch potato!) and it even affected his gi tract.

Terry

>>

Terry,

For us the out of control behaviors were worse when he was hypothyroid. It

was like he was in constant over drive but, this is also a kid whose heart

was failing but we never saw a decrease in activity. Once the heart problems

were fixed he was able to concentrate better and focus. If anything when

things go wrong in his body he just moves faster to stay awake.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

Karyn,

Thankfully, the one ds characteristic didn't acquire is the heart

problem. I don't think the doctors really know with when he has

behavioral " episodes " (for want of a better description). He has behavior

problems all the time...they just seem to be exagerated sometimes...with

really hyper behavior, insomia, maybe flushed face/sweating thrown in for

fun! Because the symptoms of hyperthyroidism are similiar, we always

have to rule that out. Most of the time it turns out to be a med reaction;

but once it was hyperthyroid. We adjusted his dose down and he's been ok for

several months.

Terry

[Guest guest]

<<You might even be able to regrow your thyroid......unless you " think " you

can't. Electromedicine has shown promise in this area, and also there are

fetal extracts that can be used as supplements or will allow you to possibly

regenerate your thyroid. There's a name for the fetal extracts therapy but I

can't think of it right now. I took it myself for my liver.

P.>>

,

Thanks for the suggestion, I've been web cruising looking for any " absence of

thyroid " machine/treatments. I have been told that some individuals thyroid

grew back after their nuclear treatment... they are fortunate. I have been

hoping for that for years. If you ever think of the name of the extract I'd

love to know, as I also suffer from liver problems.

Terri

[Guest guest]

Hi Terri,

I did a brief search and remembered that it's called live cell therapy.

Here's a link to get you started:

http://www.karlloren.com/biopsy/p68.htm

P.

Re: thyroid

<<You might even be able to regrow your thyroid......unless you " think " you

can't. Electromedicine has shown promise in this area, and also there are

fetal extracts that can be used as supplements or will allow you to possibly

regenerate your thyroid. There's a name for the fetal extracts therapy but I

can't think of it right now. I took it myself for my liver.

P.>>

,

Thanks for the suggestion, I've been web cruising looking for any " absence of

thyroid " machine/treatments. I have been told that some individuals thyroid

grew back after their nuclear treatment... they are fortunate. I have been

hoping for that for years. If you ever think of the name of the extract I'd

love to know, as I also suffer from liver problems.

Terri

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/30/01 5:54:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,

writes:

> Oh . Hypothyroidism can absolutely escalate behaviors. Maybe you

> will see a big change in after starting synthroid. Maddie is

> hypothyroid and gets 1/2 of a tablet each morning.

Hey Donna, I didn't know this about Maddie!!! Really? I always thought that

an overactive thyroid was the root of most hyperactivity! is going to

be on 50mg each morning......what changes did you see in Maddie?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/30/01 9:40:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ltb3105@...

writes:

<< Hey Donna, I didn't know this about Maddie!!! Really? I always thought

that

an overactive thyroid was the root of most hyperactivity! is going to

be on 50mg each morning......what changes did you see in Maddie?

>>

,

We caught Maddie's right away, so we didn't see anything major. She

just all of a sudden had more energy once we started synthroid (was very

sluggish before and sleeping a ton). During her three yo check up, our ped

just did the typical thyroid testing, and that's when we saw it. She's

been seeing an endocrinologist once a year since she was 3. We do annual

bloodwork and last year, we stepped up her dosage. You can read about it

if you'd like at Len's site.....http://www.ds-health.com. So along with her

annual pedi visit, eye doc, ent, dentist, we see endo and gastro guys!!!

Fun!!

Good luck hon!!!

Donna

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In a message dated 2/20/01 8:01:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,

writes:

> when the pediatrician put on Synthroid that she said it would

> probably cause an increase in his activity and that it might not be a

> " positive " thing....makes you wonder, huh?

>

Terry:

I'll say! I KNEW the Trileptal wasn't working because of the

Synthroid...well, at least, the same dose he was taking before wouldn't work

this time, along with the Synthroid.

Isn't it funny how can have an under active thyroid and still continue

to exhibit behaviors seen in OVER active thyroids???

is definitely the 8th wonder of the med world......sigh.....

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In a message dated 2/21/01 11:07:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,

writes:

> Have they tested him to make sure he's not on too high a dose of Synthroid?

> I'll tell you if it was'n't for the fact that the hypothyroidism was adding

> to his chronic constipation, I might have considered NOT medicating the

>

You know, Terry, I was thinking the same thing myself! We have another appt.

with the endo. spec. on March 5th, and before we see him, has a blood

work order to get blood drawn beforehand, so that they will get the results

before I go in for the appt. They said he's gotta be on it at least one

month in order to check the levels.... started taking it around Feb.

4th....

Ironically, never exhibited ANY signs of hypothyroidism...quite the

opposite in fact.....I would've thought he had an OVER active one! Endo's

explanation for this is that it's not that bad....yet...but, if left

untreated, would've started to become sluggish and gain weight...not a

bad thing right now!

I also had asked the endo. guy if this Synthroid would affect his other med

for hyperactivity, and he said that it was such a low dose (50mcg) that it

shouldn't! Yeah, right!!

So, we will see when the blood work is drawn and we go back on the 5th of

March.

Thanks for the suggestions.....great minds think alike!

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,

I just checked 's dose...he takes 2 X .05 mg per day. At one point he

did take 3 X .05 mg but that was too much. He was really flushed, and hyper,

drooling, sweating, etc. I'm terrible at converting mcg to mg so I don't

know how the two doses compare. did have hypothyroid symptoms. He

was (still is) chronically contstipated, he had (sometimes still has)

Reynaud's symptoms, he was sleeping alot, etc. I wonder if they could lower

's dose to alleviate the symptoms?

Terry