thyroid

[Guest guest]

Anyone know what happens with someone who has an OVER-active thyroid? My

brother (he's 21) went to the doctor this week, and he's being tested for

this. He's been losing weight recently and he eats like a hog....my mom says

he eats all day long -- most of it being fast food -- and he's losing weight

like crazy.

He's never been like this before, (his eating habits and weight loss have

happened over a period of about 6 months, but it just started getting worse

this month) and I'm worried about him. Can an over-active thyroid just

'happen' suddenly? Anyone know what kind of things happen to people like

this? He'll get the results tomorrow...I'm just worried.

[Guest guest]

Funny that you posted this. About 3 weeks ago, a routine blood test

showed that I had an underactive thyroid (so that's been the

problem!), so I underwent a more extensive thyroid panel, and the

latest test came back normal. I am going to be retested in anopther

month, but I naturally asked my doctor whether following this type

of diet could have contributed, and he assured me that I was in much

better health now that I am fit than before, and my healthy eating

had no affect on the thyroid or the test.

Sherri

>

> On Monday I had my annual physical. Surprisingly, my doctor

> paused longer than normal around my neck and eventually said

> that my thyroid was enlarged. I am scheduled for additional

> test this week. I want to know if anyone has experienced

> thyroid problems and if BFL helped or aggravated your

> condition. Thanks.

>

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[Guest guest]

This is maddening, but all doctors do it. Right in the thyroid

medication insert, it says adrenals should be checked before any

thyroid meds are started.

I'd have your doctor read the insert on the medication. If you don't

have it, you can probably find it on the company's website (are you

on synthroid?).

Personally, I did terribly on synthroid, levoxyl, all the synthetic

T4s. Armour has been much, much better for me. Certainly never cured

the CFS, but it doesn't give me the heart palps and wildly

fluctuating thyroid numbers that the synthetic stuff did. If you

don't do well on the synthetic (straight T4) you probably have a

problem converting the T4 to T3, and need a med that provides the

active T3, like armour or cytomel(synthetic T3) or any of the others

that are out there.

penny

> Since my TSH was 5, my doctor had my try a very low dose of

thyroxine. I know that some people do better with Armour thyroid, or

with T3 in addition to T4 supplementation, but I thought it wouldn't

hurt to try this first. But it has been almost 2 weeks now and I

have definitely been worse on the pills. I am much more fatigued and

often feel that I can't move. Also my face is puffy in the morning

and I have very dark circles under my eyes. On the positive side I

have been dreaming a lot more (I think that is good) and my lifetime

constipation lifted immediately.

>

> In " From Fatigued to Fantastic " , Teitelbaum says: If this treatment

makes the patient feel worse, it may indicate adrenal insufficiency

or euthyroidism, or thiamine deficiency. Does anybody have any

further information about this statement, or what I might do next?

Or does it take your body some time to acclimate to this stuff?

>

> Thanks,

> Doris

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. But everything I am reading on the web is telling me that if adrenals

are the problem you would have a low TSH not a high one. There is much

conflicting info.

Anyway, what is to be done about low adrenals? Are people actually taking

cortef, or are there natural supplements that suppor the adrenals? I saw

licorice mentioned but it wasn't recommended.

Thanks,

Doris

----- Original Message -----

From: penny

This is maddening, but all doctors do it. Right in the thyroid

medication insert, it says adrenals should be checked before any

thyroid meds are started.

> Since my TSH was 5, my doctor had my try a very low dose of

thyroxine. I know that some people do better with Armour thyroid, or

with T3 in addition to T4 supplementation, but I thought it wouldn't

hurt to try this first. But it has been almost 2 weeks now and I

have definitely been worse on the pills. I am much more fatigued and

often feel that I can't move. Also my face is puffy in the morning

and I have very dark circles under my eyes. On the positive side I

have been dreaming a lot more (I think that is good) and my lifetime

constipation lifted immediately.

>

> In " From Fatigued to Fantastic " , Teitelbaum says: If this treatment

makes the patient feel worse, it may indicate adrenal insufficiency

or euthyroidism, or thiamine deficiency. Does anybody have any

further information about this statement, or what I might do next?

Or does it take your body some time to acclimate to this stuff?

[Guest guest]

HI Doris,

Don't know where you're reading that adrenal insufficiency goes only

with a low TSH. Have you been to the Shomon's thyroid forum at

about.com? They discuss adrenals a lot, and it's a hypo board.

Licorice actually IS recommended by Cheyney and others. If you have

high blood pressure, it's contraindicated. I have very low blood

pressure, and felt some improvement with it.

For most people who are hyper, euthyroid is a desirable place to be.

Perhaps Tietelbaum is really talking about people who swing back and

forth between hypo and hyper?

I can say that for myself, b vitamin supplementation is always a very

good thing, so you could try the thiamine. The Bs are easy to get out

of balance, so usually a b complex is recommended, but you could

experiment a little with additional thiamine and see how you feel.

Interestingly, licorice is very high in the B vitamins. As is

nutritional yeast, which you can sprinkle on your food (and tastes

pleasant, like powdered cheese).

My intuition says that the thyroid is just another victim of some

deeper problem. Your TSH of 5 is not extreme, but is indicating some

distress. It's also important to know that every one has their own

sweet spot with TSH and 5 could be really bad for you but great for

someone else. Even if you decide not to continue the meds, which do

usually take several weeks to adjust to, you should keep testing your

thyroid. 5 is considered just out of range, when I was first hypo it

was considered in range. It wasn't until it shot to 47 that the

doctors said, oh, you've got a thyroid problem! Even though I'd had

many of the symptoms for quite some time. Do you have other symptoms

besides the constipation?

best of luck figuring this out,

penny

p.s. a tiny amount of adrenal hormone replacement might help. I've

heard from people with really shot adrenals, that trying to replenish

the hormone makes them even sicker at first. I don't know. Hormones

are complicated.

> > Since my TSH was 5, my doctor had my try a very low dose of

> thyroxine. I know that some people do better with Armour

thyroid, or

> with T3 in addition to T4 supplementation, but I thought it

wouldn't

> hurt to try this first. But it has been almost 2 weeks now and I

> have definitely been worse on the pills. I am much more fatigued

and

> often feel that I can't move. Also my face is puffy in the

morning

> and I have very dark circles under my eyes. On the positive side

I

> have been dreaming a lot more (I think that is good) and my

lifetime

> constipation lifted immediately.

> >

> > In " From Fatigued to Fantastic " , Teitelbaum says: If this

treatment

> makes the patient feel worse, it may indicate adrenal

insufficiency

> or euthyroidism, or thiamine deficiency. Does anybody have any

> further information about this statement, or what I might do

next?

> Or does it take your body some time to acclimate to this stuff?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/12/03 3:37:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

dorisbrown9@... writes:

> are there natural supplements that suppor the adrenals?

>

There are products that support various organs. These products are

dessicated tissue of those specific organs. Some people have concerns about

those products, but I don't for the life of me remember why.

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

if you search around this site you will find their recommendations on

adrenal support.

http://www.drrind.com/default.asp

thanks

bill

> In a message dated 4/12/03 3:37:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

> dorisbrown9@y... writes:

>

> > are there natural supplements that suppor the adrenals?

> >

>

> There are products that support various organs. These products are

> dessicated tissue of those specific organs. Some people have

concerns about

> those products, but I don't for the life of me remember why.

> Adrienne

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

it looks like their main adrenal suggestions are:

B-complex vitamins

Vitamin C

Amino Acids

also the actual hormones or hormone precursors

this is a really interesting site.

bill

> > In a message dated 4/12/03 3:37:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

> > dorisbrown9@y... writes:

> >

> > > are there natural supplements that suppor the adrenals?

> > >

> >

> > There are products that support various organs. These products

are

> > dessicated tissue of those specific organs. Some people have

> concerns about

> > those products, but I don't for the life of me remember why.

> > Adrienne

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have also had a shift in thyroid in the past three years while having CFS.

At the early stages of the illness I reached almost 5, then went down to

2.05 and have slowly been going up - this latest test had me at 3.75. I may

have had an infection at the same time, actually I did have an infection,

which could explain why it jumped from 3.05 last year to this number. I was

at an endo who is treating my husband (who is hypothyroid but doesn't have

CFS or anything else), and he looked at the tests and my ultrasound and told

me to forget it. I asked about the changing values and he said he hadn't

heard of it. When I said that my thyroid has been going up, he told me to

wait six months or a year and be retested but not to worry as I don't have

any other clinical signs of hypothyroidism.

Judy

[Guest guest]

Thanks! Great source of info. I appreciate it.

Kerrie

[Guest guest]

Thanks! Great source of info. I appreciate it.

Kerrie

[Guest guest]

Oh, another thought. I really suggest that anyone with thyroid

issues do a search for " thyroid " at sarcinfo.com

Trevor believes that the thyroid is also a victim of the

inflammatory cascade and pathogenic causes. Just like I've always

intutively felt. He talks about the thyroid starting to function

again when we reduce the inflammation, and that we should keep our

eyes on our TSH readings. Wouldn't that be great? I just hope my

thryoid hasn't shriveled up to the size of a peanut.

a, are you hypothyroid and have you noticed any restoration of

thyroid function now that you feel you've beat your bugs?

penny

> > Armour thyroid is made by at least three companies that I know

> of. There may be more. The way I found this out is that I was

> taking one made by Forrest. Then I found out that Walgreen's

> carried a less expensive generic made by Qualitest. After that, I

> moved my prescription to Wal-Mart because it's closer to where I

> live. Wal-Mart carries a generic made by a company called URL.

It

> was the cheapest of all at under $7 for a month's supply of one

> grain tabs.

> >

> > Perhaps what has happened is that one of these companies has had

a

> recall for some reason. I hope it's just something like that.

> Armour has helped me a lot.

> >

> > Bond

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Probably, but everyone is different, so it may not be a problem for you, but I'd make them check your TSH every other month during tx. Mine didn't go crazy for about 6-7 months, & I've tripled by Synthroid in the last 3 months.

De

Faith is the ability to not panic.

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I'm laready on thyrorid for low thyrorid> DOe sit maena it'll get worse>?

[Guest guest]

Must be very rare as I have never seen or heard of the tow together but could

happen by chance as botrh are fairly common. I would not think it causes aldo

usuallay causes systolic HTN.

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine

Professor of Epidemiology

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

[Guest guest]

I've had mine checked and it was at the low end of the normal range.

thyroid

Has anyone here with PA ever had the thyriod checked and do u know the results of that like low or high.

i was reading the diffrent things that it could cause and the diffrent things that it does like high b/p and the efect on the adreanal ststem.

just thinking that low like mine could have anything to do with my PA?

just a thought maybe u guys got some input on this and we can compair?

Thanks Mark

[Guest guest]

do u have pa

Thanks Mark

thyroid

Has anyone here with PA ever had the thyriod checked and do u know the results of that like low or high.

i was reading the diffrent things that it could cause and the diffrent things that it does like high b/p and the efect on the adreanal ststem.

just thinking that low like mine could have anything to do with my PA?

just a thought maybe u guys got some input on this and we can compair?

Thanks Mark

[Guest guest]

What is the proper measurement for thyroid. I've heard controversey over this. Traditional testing standards say anything over 5 is hypothyroid requiring synthyroid administration, then I've heard lately that anything over 3 qualifies one for a low dose of thyroid medication. Mine was last measured at 3.28. Any ideas, has anyone heard anything different?

Rita

-----Original Message-----From: Malotky [mailto:leslie@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:56 PMhyperaldosteronism Subject: Re: thyroid

I've had mine checked and it was at the low end of the normal range.

thyroid

Has anyone here with PA ever had the thyriod checked and do u know the results of that like low or high.

i was reading the diffrent things that it could cause and the diffrent things that it does like high b/p and the efect on the adreanal ststem.

just thinking that low like mine could have anything to do with my PA?

just a thought maybe u guys got some input on this and we can compair?

Thanks Mark

[Guest guest]

The American Association of Clinical Endos came out with new guidelines early in 2003. They say 0.3 to 3.03 is a normal TSH. The group to which laboratories belong (can't remember the name) suggested something even lower than 3.03 - I think about 2.5. For myself, anything over 1.5 gives me hypothyroid symptoms. I am quite ill when my TSH gets to 5.00. My lab (Quest Diagnostics) still uses the old "normal" levels.

The idea that Synthroid is the "only" treatment for hypothyroidism is a cruel joke the pharmaceutical industry has played on us. My reasoning: when the thyroid fails, we lose T1, T2, T3, T4 and calcitonin. Synthroid replaces only T4. On Synthroid only, my T3 remains very low. I recently came across an article in "Circulation" that showed that low Free T3 levels led to higher mortality with heart attacks than did normal Free T3 levels.

I would say that at 3.28, you are hypothyroid. What are your Free T3 and Free T4 levels?

There is lots of information at http://www.thyroid.about.com

Val

-----Original Message-----From: yoffi [mailto:yoffi@...]

What is the proper measurement for thyroid. I've heard controversey over this. Traditional testing standards say anything over 5 is hypothyroid requiring synthyroid administration, then I've heard lately that anything over 3 qualifies one for a low dose of thyroid medication. Mine was last measured at 3.28. Any ideas, has anyone heard anything different?

Rita

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/4/05 7:42:52 AM, yoffi@... writes:

What is the proper measurement for thyroid.  I've heard controversey over this.  Traditional testing standards say anything over 5 is hypothyroid requiring synthyroid administration, then I've heard lately that anything over 3 qualifies one for a low dose of thyroid medication.  Mine was last measured at 3.28.  Any ideas, has anyone heard anything different?

 

Rita

Recommend you go to a thryoid site.

CE Grim MD

[Guest guest]

It's probably caused by the peginterferon.

Silvia

Hyperthyroidism also is seen as one manifestation of autoimmune thyroid

disease induced by interferon-alpha treatment of chronic hepatitis c. It can be

self limiting, or severe enough to require cessation of IFN, or in some cases

continue on after INF is stopped.(Doi F, Kakizaki S, Takagi H, Murakami M,

Sohara

N, Otsuka T, Abe T, Mori M. Long-term outcome of interferon-alpha-induced

autoimmune thyroid disorders in chronic hepatitis C.Liver Int. 2005

Apr;25(2):242-6) Hyperthyroidism also occurs during immune reconstitution seen

in

effective anti-viral therapy

http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter11/11_differential.htm

[Guest guest]

> It's probably caused by the peginterferon.

> Silvia

>

> Thanks Sivia

>

>

> Hyperthyroidism also is seen as one manifestation of autoimmune

thyroid

> disease induced by interferon-alpha treatment of chronic hepatitis

c. It can be

> self limiting, or severe enough to require cessation of IFN, or in

some cases

> continue on after INF is stopped.(Doi F, Kakizaki S, Takagi H,

Murakami M, Sohara

> N, Otsuka T, Abe T, Mori M. Long-term outcome of interferon-alpha-

induced

> autoimmune thyroid disorders in chronic hepatitis C.Liver Int.

2005

> Apr;25(2):242-6) Hyperthyroidism also occurs during immune

reconstitution seen in

> effective anti-viral therapy

>

> http://www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter11/11_differential.htm

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

well you have to let us know what they find,, ok,, ok?? hehe

okseven_7 <okseven_7@...> wrote:I spoke to my dr today

I now have an underactive thyroid

More meds I guess

He spoke to me about my lump they did ultrasound yesterday but it did

not show This dr had me thinking i was crazy and everyone around We

see the lump there. Dr at hospital said nope there is not one there

and offered me no other explnation left room

Im seeing specialist tues @2:30

Im glad he called i was very upset

He explained why it didnt show up

I feel much better tonight than yesterday

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[Guest guest]

well you have to let us know what they find,, ok,, ok?? hehe

okseven_7 <okseven_7@...> wrote:I spoke to my dr today

I now have an underactive thyroid

More meds I guess

He spoke to me about my lump they did ultrasound yesterday but it did

not show This dr had me thinking i was crazy and everyone around We

see the lump there. Dr at hospital said nope there is not one there

and offered me no other explnation left room

Im seeing specialist tues @2:30

Im glad he called i was very upset

He explained why it didnt show up

I feel much better tonight than yesterday

It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you have found the

support you need with us.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/27/05 10:18:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

canhelp2@... writes:

> If you are cold, skin dry, hair falling out, look again at thyroid!

>

Exactly!!!!!!

I am planning on seeing a naturopath, Dr. about a 40 minute drive from

me. I have heard good things about her and am looking forward to a broader

scope on this.

[Guest guest]

szukidavis@... wrote:

Although my thryroid currently tests normal, I have thought for a long time that

it might not be. Is it possible to test normal and still have thyroid

issues?

Thanks,

Well what is normal? or rather what does your doc think is normal?

Thyroid works best when TSH is below 2.0 according to some thyroid docs. The

range is 0.3-3.0 but a lot of docs and labs still go with the old standard of

0.30-5.0! If you are cold, skin dry, hair falling out, look again at thyroid!

Madeleen