Depression and zombie mornings

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie, I too am not at my best in the mornings- it's a pre hyo thing so I know it's just me, BUT it's not that bad, maybe you are a little undermedicated? A tiny increase of T3 if you are 'nearly there' can make a huge difference- I mean something like 5mcg- it's such a pity they only do 20mcg pills unless you are prepared to pay for Cytomel, but most pills will break. I've always felt that I should take my T3 an hour or 2 before I wake up! > thyroid treatment > From: denib47@...> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:13:32 +0000> Subject: Depression and Zombie mornings> > Hi All,> > > I take 15mg HC, 40mg T3 and 1 grain NDT.> > > With the voluntary work I would have to be there all day - that means leaving home at 9.00 and driving to be there by 9.30. > > I have always been a zombie in the mornings - but I have improved somewhat with the thyroid and HC medication. I feel as though I will have to turn down this opportunity because of the way I am in the mornings - it is an all day thing so I can't do afternoons only.> > Has anyone any advice on how I can get up earlier and be more 'switched on' early morning - and stay that way all day.> > B> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I take my 1 grain of NDT around 6.00 in the morning before I wake up - I am

mostly asleep when I do this - I suppose I could take some extra T3 at that

time - will give it a try.

Thanks

B

[Guest guest]

have you been checked for sleep apnea?

can you get up earlier ?

can you try a lumie sunrise alarm clock ? (surprisingly effective)

chris

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> Hi All,

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> I need some advice. I have the opportunity to do some voluntary

[Guest guest]

One thing which helped me ALOT in the mornings and something which i have only

just recently done is a bedtime dose of T3.

I take my last HC/T3 dose around 11:30PM as im going to bed and waking up in the

morning is 5x easier than it used to be. Not sure how you are dosing at he

minute but it may be something to look at.

Also you are on quite a low dose maybe you need more ? Have you had any labs

recently and are your temps stable ?

Steve

> I take 15mg HC, 40mg T3 and 1 grain NDT.

>

> I find it very hard to wake up in the mornings before 8.00. When I do

eventually wake up (I don't properly wake up) I feel shattered and depressed. I

stagger downstairs and make myself a cup of tea and take the first dose of T3

and HC. It takes me until about 10.30 to 11.00 to feel any where able to do

normal things.

[Guest guest]

You are taking your NDT before you take any HC and then going back to sleep ?

Pretty sure this cant be good on the adrenals.

Steve

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> Hi ,

>

> I take my 1 grain of NDT around 6.00 in the morning before I wake up - I am

mostly asleep when I do this - I suppose I could take some extra T3 at that

time - will give it a try.

>

> Thanks

>

> B

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[Guest guest]

Hi Chris/Steve

I am very sensitive to med changes - I had a dreafdul time getting up to the

doses I am taking now.

I take 1 grain NDT at 6.00 - 10mg T3 and 7.5mg HC at 8.00 - 10mg T3 and 5mg HC

at 11.00 - 10mg and 2.5mg HC at 2.00 and 10mg T3 at 5.00. A blood test last

August showed my T3 at the top of the range.

My morning basal temps are not stable - but are a lot more stable than they were

before I changed over from Isocort to HC - my average morning temp is about

36.3.

I don't feel too bad in the afternoons and evenings - I just seem to be an owl.

I have missed out on so much because I cannot get started in the morning -

people have called me lazy. In some ways I can cope with being called lazy now

because I understand about this weird condition called hypothyroidism.

I just need to be able to function in the mornings for two days a week.

B

[Guest guest]

ok but what about sleep apnea and also the lumie sunrise boxes? :-)

chris

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> Hi Chris/Steve

>

> I am very sensitive to med changes - I had a dreafdul time getting up to the

doses I am taking now.

>

[Guest guest]

Im no expert denise but a couple of things i can notice is your dosing schedule

is a bit out of the ordinary. Also have you looked into why you are sensitivie

to med changes ? (for me it was adrenals and iron, once i have these in check my

raises were alot more tolerated.)

I feel your lack of HC/T3 in the evening could very well be part of the reason

you dont feel great in the mornings.

When tracking to see if you have stable temps try this method. 3 hours after

awake then take temp, 3 hours later temp, 3 hours later temp and then add these

and divide by 3 for the average. Do this for a week and if your temp is more

than 0.1oC difference day to day it points to adrenal stress (not enough hc ect)

Steve

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> Hi Chris/Steve

>

> I am very sensitive to med changes - I had a dreafdul time getting up to the

doses I am taking now.

>

> I take 1 grain NDT at 6.00 - 10mg T3 and 7.5mg HC at 8.00 - 10mg T3 and 5mg HC

at 11.00 - 10mg and 2.5mg HC at 2.00 and 10mg T3 at 5.00. A blood test last

August showed my T3 at the top of the range.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hiya

I don't have sleep apnea and have tried lumie sunrise boxes - and little

birdsong alarm clocks. I now take 1mg of melatonin every night.

I have always had difficulty with mornings - even when I was a child. If I

desperately need to, I can get up earlier but it is with temendous effort but

whether I get up at 7.00 or 8.00 I still can't function properly until about

10.30 - 11.00.

It is difficult to explain how I feel when I get up in the mornings. I feel

depressed, sometimes tearful, doom laden, brain fog, sluggish, delicate, my skin

feels fragile - I just can't cope.

B

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

I am always open to new ways of doing things.

I could try adding some T3 later in the evening - say 8.00pm but I thought that

T3 or HC in the evening would keep one awake.

Why do you think my dosing schedule is a bit out of the ordinary? I thought that

T3 was best taken throught out the day instead of in one or two big doses.

B

[Guest guest]

Hi , when i say out of the ordinary its just that there should be some

evening/bed time doses to your schedule. According to the RT3 Group T3 levels

should peak at around midnight and this is also when the most " healing " is done.

I Myself was sceptical about bed time doses and getting to sleep, for me what

works is a dose around 6pm, and then a final dose as my head hits the pillow at

11:30pm.

Your dosing at the moment

6am - 1 Grain

8am - 10T3 - 7.5 HC

11am -10T3 - 5 HC

2pm - 10 T3 - 2.5 HC

5pm - 10 T3

So from 5pm till 6am your body recicves no T3 and no HC from 2pm. If your body

was functioning normally this would not be the case your body would still

produce some HC in the evening ect so its best to try and follow a natural

rhythm.

What happens if you taker your NDT with your first dose of HC/T3 at 8am ?

Without altering your dosing too much as you are sensitive, what about splitting

your last 5pm dose to 5mcg T3 and adding a bed time dose of 5mcg T3 2.5mg HC and

possibly taking your NDT with your first HC dose ?

Possible new schedule

8am - 10T3 - 7.5 HC - 1 Grain NDT

11am -10T3 - 5 HC

2pm - 10 T3 - 2.5 HC

5pm - 5 T3

Bed - 5T3 - 2.5 HC

Im only talking from experience im no doctor or anything, but hope this

helps

Steve

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> Hi Steve,

>

> I am always open to new ways of doing things.

>

> I could try adding some T3 later in the evening - say 8.00pm but I thought

that T3 or HC in the evening would keep one awake.

>

> Why do you think my dosing schedule is a bit out of the ordinary? I thought

that T3 was best taken throught out the day instead of in one or two big doses.

>

> B

>

[Guest guest]

, I would contact Biovea and order 3 mgs Melatonin. Start

taking these to get your sleep rhythm back. These are quite amazing in that you

wake up feeling pretty chirpy after having a good restful nights sleep. You

MUST have a completely darkened room though, so if you have flimsy curtains,

now the nights and mornings are lighter, you need to double the thickness and

get it as dark as you can. You can read about the benefits of melatonin on

their web site.

Luv - Sheila

I find it very hard to wake up in the mornings before 8.00. When I do

eventually wake up (I don't properly wake up) I feel shattered and depressed. I

stagger downstairs and make myself a cup of tea and take the first dose of T3

and HC. It takes me until about 10.30 to 11.00 to feel any where able to do

normal things.

I have always been a zombie in the mornings - but I have improved somewhat with

the thyroid and HC medication. I feel as though I will have to turn down this

opportunity because of the way I am in the mornings - it is an all day thing so

I can't do afternoons only.

Has anyone any advice on how I can get up earlier and be more 'switched on'

early morning - and stay that way all day.

B

[Guest guest]

, if you wake about 6.00a.m. to take your Armour, at that

time, I would get up instead of snuggling back down to sleep again. This is

what I do because I always wake early and that is when I get most of my work

done - it really is a lovely time of day, especially with the birdsong and

lovely weather we are starting to get now. Give it a go and see if that solves

your getting up problem.

Luv =- Sheila

I take my 1 grain of NDT around 6.00 in the morning before I wake up - I am

mostly asleep when I do this - I suppose I could take some extra T3 at that

time - will give it a try.

Thanks

B

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

I sleep well - it is just the horrible mornings - waking up and for a few hours

afterwards.

B

[Guest guest]

, I had exactly the same problem as you. I am not on NDT or anything else

except T3 only.

I found that if I didn't take my last T3 the minute before lights out and my

head hitting the pillow, I could NOT wake up until at least midday. I also

found that at the time I was under medicated. Now, you don't sound under

medicated if you fT3 is at the top of the range, but I do believe that the very

last dose of T3 at night helps me to wake up early in the morning because

without it, I'm a total zombie!

I learnt this from Nick (this is how he does it), and his website

http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm will tell you all you need to know. I find

the information in there invaluable.

Perhaps you could move your 10am dose of T3 to lights out time for a while and

see how you go?

Love

Jacquie

> I am always open to new ways of doing things.

>

> I could try adding some T3 later in the evening - say 8.00pm but I thought

that T3 or HC in the evening would keep one awake.

[Guest guest]

Do you think it could be a 'hangover' from the melatonin?

i realise you always had trouble with mornings, but just wondered if melatonin

was making it worse

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> Hiya

>

> I don't have sleep apnea and have tried lumie sunrise boxes - and little

birdsong alarm clocks. I now take 1mg of melatonin every night.

>

[Guest guest]

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:10 AM, <chrisjtaylor46@...> wrote:

 

How well do you sleep at night? just that if you are not able to get into REM sleep the body does not regenerate fully and the feeling of being a zombie can happen too. Are you by any chance a mouth breather in your sleep?

Also have you tried to alter the food you eat.. just that if you have animal protein, veg and NO carbs at lunch time and an early dinner of good carbs and veg ( at least three hours before bed time) , the body is doing less food processing whilst you sleep and this can induce better and deeper sleep too.

Best WishesTracey. 

> Hiya

>

> I don't have sleep apnea and have tried lumie sunrise boxes - and little birdsong alarm clocks. I now take 1mg of melatonin every night.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

No, I don't think it is the melatonin. When I first started taking it about 4

years ago, I started with 1mg - every time I tried to increase the dose - even

with a 1/2mg increase - I felt muggy with a slight headache the morning after.

Sometimes I don't take the 1mg just to see if I still need it - and I can't get

to sleep - as I said, I am sensitive to medication.

Years ago before I started taking thyroid and HC meds, I used to wake up feeling

so sad I almost used to cry. I also used to feel trembly. It was only when Dr P

suggestesd Nurti Adrenal and then Isocort and HC did I realise how bad I had

been for most of my life.

If I don't have to go anywhere in the morning, I can cope, but if I have to go

out early morning I don't feel strong or capable enough. I am worried about

driving so early in the morning as I feel I would be lacking concentration.

B

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey

I don't eat or drink tea after 7.00 at night. I don't have trouble sleeping or

waking up at 8.00 - it is just that when I do wake up I feel like a zombie. The

feeling slowly wears off until about 10.30 to 11.00 when I start to feel

'normal'.

I will be needing to get up about 7.15 to 7.30 and I don't think I will be able

to do it - I know I will be feeling more zombie like as well.

What I want to be like is the woman in the 'Adios' advert - she jumps out of bed

- in her little shorts and singlet - and dances around the room smiling at the

thought of another wonderful day.

B

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I think I might try taking some T3 last thing at night.

If that doesn't work then I might try taking some extra T3 in the morning.

If that doesn't work then I might try taking a little bit extra HC first thing

in the morning.

If that doesn't work then I might try taking some extra T3 around 8.00pm.

If any of the above doesn't work then I will just have to suffer and get on with

it.

B

[Guest guest]

Hi

I'm SO glad you see some changes... if I recall, it took me much longer than a

week for my body to start waking earlier and not waking up depressed and if the

world had just ended, so it is different for everyone. My perseverance paid off!

I agree 100% with Steve's post.

Love

Jacquie

> > I will try this regime for a week or two - don't want to keep changing

> > times - it took me long enough to get reasonably stable.

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> > B

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[Guest guest]

Hi

Just looking over your dosing schedule:

" I take 1 grain NDT at 6.00 - 10mg T3 and 7.5mg HC at 8.00 - 10mg T3 and 5mg HC

at 11.00 - 10mg and 2.5mg HC at 2.00 and 10mg T3 at 5.00. A blood test last

August showed my T3 at the top of the range. "

If you are taking your LAST T3 dose (which is at 5pm) at night, you are without

meds from 2pm until bedtime. If this works for you, that's fine... but I

personally would not cope without any T3 for so long.

Do you need to take 10mcg T3 at 8am having taken NDT at 6am? This was the dose

I was suggesting you move to bedtime.

Again, this is for you to use your own intuition and if it works for you, that's

great... but I know it wouldn't for me in the long run.

Just my two pennies worth!

Love

Jacquie

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> > > I will try this regime for a week or two - don't want to keep changing

> > > times - it took me long enough to get reasonably stable.

> > >

> > > B

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jacquie,

That was my previous dosing schedule.

My new dosing schedule is that I take 1 grain NDT with HC at 8.00 - and the T3

with HC at 11.30, 2.30 and 5.30 and T3 at bedtime without HC.

B

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your advice and support.

Thank goodness for this forum - I don't think my GP would have been able to give

me any advice - he would have only offered me anti-depressants.

> Glad its made some difference , from your average temps it does show

your adrenals are coping, if you can find the time it would be good to keep

tracking these temps, so you can see if maybe one day when you feel worse your

temps have dropped n you mite possibly need a bit more hc/t3.

I take 15mg of HC in three doses - 8.00, 11.30, 2.30 and top up with Isocort if

I feel the need. It is a bit difficult to take my temps when I am at work so I

will only be able to take them on weekends and days off - but I think it will be

a good idea to take them as often as I can during the day until my new dosing

schedule is stabilised.

Again, thanks for your advice.

B

[Guest guest]

Spot on ... thanks for letting us know. I'm resting easy now! ;o)

Love

Jacquie

> That was my previous dosing schedule.

>

> My new dosing schedule is that I take 1 grain NDT with HC at 8.00 - and the T3

with HC at 11.30, 2.30 and 5.30 and T3 at bedtime without HC.

>

> B

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