Worried about my heart

[Guest guest]

I have had palpitations and a high heart rate on and off since I switched to

ERFA in December 2009. I went off ERFA in June 2010 when I made the connection

between the palps/hypo symptoms and ERFA. However by this time, the ERFA had

caused a build up of RT3. So I switched back to Thai Thiroyd in June '10.

I had hoped the RT3 would go away naturally, but it of course got worse. None of

my doctors were willing to prescribe T3 though; only natural thyroid. So I

started self treating on T3 at the end of November.

The first thing that happened was that my need for cortisol increased greatly.On

NTH I had been weaning my HC because I had had high cortisol symptoms, but when

I introduced T3 my BP and pulse increased so I had to increase my HC from 15

back up to 25. Since I have done that, my pulse and BP have gone back down and

are now in the healthy ranges - pulse late 70s to 80s and BP 105 to 130 systolic

and 60 to 80 diastolic.

However, my palpitations at night time have returned. Friday night in particular

was terrifying. I fell asleep normally (as soon as my head hit the pillow) but

woke up suddenly with a pulse increase from 82 BPM (before I fell asleep) to

95BPM. I drank a small glass of milk to see if it would help, and went back to

sleep. When I woke up in the morning I could feel my heart pounding out of my

chest and felt quite scared. My BP was 131/103 with a pulse of 111 upon

wakening!!

I got up and sat up on my couch and my BP and pulse went back down to normal:

119/68 and pulse 84.

Basically, my problems seem to come when I try to go to sleep and lay down. I

just don't know what to do.

I have been tested for Hyperparathyroidism and Haemochromatosis; but definitely

don't have these issues. I got a copy of the results so know this for sure.

I am really scared of dying in the night and don't feel I can go to a

cardiologist about this because 1) They don't even prescribe natural thyroid,

let alone T3 in my country, so will say it's my thyroid med 2) They will say my

issue is hyperthyroidism because my TSH is suppressed and 3) I am self treating,

which is illegal here, so I don't want to be found out.

At the same time, I am terrified I will die in my sleep or have a heart attack.

Anyone have any ideas?

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:39:00 -0000, you wrote:

>

>At the same time, I am terrified I will die in my sleep or have a heart attack.

>

>Anyone have any ideas?

It sounds like low night time cortisol to me, this can end up causing

adrenaline to be produced.

http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm talks about this and links to

lots of information

Are iron levels OK??

Nick

[Guest guest]

Hi,

here is a link, if you scroll right down the page you will come to a section

about arrhythmia, and there are some studies to read about it. I think it

basically is a nutritional deficiency of minerals that causes it.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/NHC/researcharchive.html#irregularheartbeat

So far I have had a very good result over a time period of about 18 months, by

taking supplements. The main thing I find for myself is magnesium, and the best

way to use that is to get a spray for the skin, and it will sink in better than

a capsule. I also use epsom salts, 2 cupfulls in a bath and soak in it at least

20 minutes several times a week.

I also take fish oil and vitamin C and co-enzyme Q 10.

A good way to get minerals naturally is to make home made stock. I use the

bones of lamb as they are fairly free range grass fed animals, and put them in

my slow cooker. I cover them in water with onions and carrots and celery, and

spices and herbs that I fancy, and also a desert spoonful of cider vinegar. This

brews away for a couple of days, then strain off the liquid and use to make a

soup. I believe this to be rich in minerals and could be useful along with your

supplements.

There is also issues with the adrenals, and you may need to use nutri adrenal

extra, Sheila can explain this better than myself.

love janet

[Guest guest]

You need to stop ANY supplements containing any thyroxine (T4)

if you have reverse T3 9rT3) and take ONLY T3 until you are taking a high

enough dose to unblock the receptors so the T3 gets into the cells. Read Nick's

web site for all the information you will need regarding this http://thyroid-rt3.com/index.htm

If you get palpitations, take 500mgs magnesium citrate and this

should help. I would be interested to know what reasons the doctors are giving

for not prescribing you T3 alone, yet are willing to prescribe natural thyroid

extract that contains T3.

When do you take your last dose of HC and are you splitting your

Thai Thiroyd twice a day and if so, what time of day are you taking your last

dose of Thiroyd?

Luv - Sheila

Basically, my problems seem to come when I try to go to sleep and lay down. I

just don't know what to do.

I have been tested for Hyperparathyroidism and Haemochromatosis; but definitely

don't have these issues. I got a copy of the results so know this for sure.

I am really scared of dying in the night and don't feel I can go to a

cardiologist about this because 1) They don't even prescribe natural thyroid,

let alone T3 in my country, so will say it's my thyroid med 2) They will say my

issue is hyperthyroidism because my TSH is suppressed and 3) I am self

treating, which is illegal here, so I don't want to be found out.

At the same time, I am terrified I will die in my sleep or have a heart attack.

_,_._,___

[Guest guest]

> It sounds like low night time cortisol to me, this can end up causing

> adrenaline to be produced.

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/adrenals.htm talks about this and links to

> lots of information

>

> Are iron levels OK??

>

> Nick

>

Hi Nick

I have had to up my HC since going on T3. I had been able to wean down to 15

when I was on NTH, but with the high RT3, NTH is obviously not working for me

and is causing lots of weight gain for me.

I had iron done in August and the results were:

HG: 12.9 (12.0-16.0)

Haemocrit: 38.6 (36-46)

RBC: 4.6 (4.0-5.2)

MCV: 84 (80-95)

MCHC: 33 (31-36)

MCH: 28 (27-32)

WBC: 6.11 (3.6-11.0)

Ferritin: 78 (50-170)

> So far I have had a very good result over a time period of about 18 months, by

taking supplements. The main thing I find for myself is magnesium, and the best

way to use that is to get a spray for the skin, and it will sink in better than

a capsule. I also use epsom salts, 2 cupfulls in a bath and soak in it at least

20 minutes several times a week.

>

> I also take fish oil and vitamin C and co-enzyme Q 10.

>

> A good way to get minerals naturally is to make home made stock. I use the

bones of lamb as they are fairly free range grass fed animals, and put them in

my slow cooker. I cover them in water with onions and carrots and celery, and

spices and herbs that I fancy, and also a desert spoonful of cider vinegar. This

brews away for a couple of days, then strain off the liquid and use to make a

soup. I believe this to be rich in minerals and could be useful along with your

supplements.

>

> There is also issues with the adrenals, and you may need to use nutri adrenal

extra, Sheila can explain this better than myself.

>

> love janet

>

Hi Janet

I take magnesium oil and magnesium supplements every day. My magnesium was

pretty low in August.

I take hydrocortisone for my adrenals. It's just that T3 seems to stress them

out more than natural thyroid so I have had to up my dose to 25HC and don't want

to go to 30HC. I wish I had taken NAC; it was never offered as an option to me

and now I am dependent on HC.

> You need to stop ANY supplements containing any thyroxine (T4) if you have

> reverse T3 9rT3) and take ONLY T3 until you are taking a high enough dose to

> unblock the receptors so the T3 gets into the cells. Read Nick's web site

> for all the information you will need regarding this

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/index.htm

>

> If you get palpitations, take 500mgs magnesium citrate and this should help.

> I would be interested to know what reasons the doctors are giving for not

> prescribing you T3 alone, yet are willing to prescribe natural thyroid

> extract that contains T3.

>

> When do you take your last dose of HC and are you splitting your Thai

> Thiroyd twice a day and if so, what time of day are you taking your last

> dose of Thiroyd?

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

Sheila

I came off NTH at the end of November and am in the process of clearing my RT3

via T3 only. I take magnesium, but not when I get palps. I will try that.

The only good doc I have ever had simply does not believe in T3. He thinks NTH

is the only way to go. Many natural thyroid docs are just as biased against the

synthetics as the endos are against natural thyroid.

I was on 15 HC, but since going on T3 I have had to increase my hydrocortisone

back up to 25. I start work at noon, so I dose my HC, 11.00, 3.00 and 7.00. I go

to bed at 2am.

[Guest guest]

Hi, I forgot to add that I have had a good result with stopping night time

arrhrythmia by stopping the caffeine, I found it very hard to do and really miss

my cuppa, but it has helped a lot. If you decide to try this it takes a couple

of weeks to clear out of your system, and you must give up slowly and not go

cold turkey as you will get headaches.

love janet