Re: Anti depresent advice for 17 year old daughter

[Guest guest]

I took my daughter to our GP the other day as she told me she is depressed andhas felt suicidal.At one point, she began attempting her own life.She's had blood tests, including checking her thyroid function. We have had anextremely stressful homelife...

Hi,

I am very sorry, you have an awful lot to deal with. A child with ADHD will sap the strength out of siblings and parents alike. I can imagine that it must be extremely difficult to cope and hold the family together. I hope that the specialist will sort out your son, but please do bear in mind that ADHD and Hypothyroidism are very closely linked .... so please make sure your son will have his thyroid function assessed too – and properly (!) - with a full thyroid panel and all autoantibodies like TPO, TgAB and TRAb.

The same goes for your daughter – If she were my daughter, I would consider antidepressants as a very last resort – not the first one. Depression has an underlying cause – and in families with known thyroid conditions one should always check other members of the family for malfunctioning thyroid - depression is one of the classic hypothyroid symptoms, probably caused by a lack of T3 to the brain. Giving antidepressants is rarely the answer. It does not cure anything, it just defers the underlying problem. Unfortunately Antidepressants are only all too easily doled out by our doctors. Instead of getting to the bottom of the problem, they take the easy way out and treat the symptoms rather than the cause.

You say your daughter had blood tests including a thyroid check – have you got copies of the results that you could post on here ? – with Ref Ranges please, since every lab has slightly different ranges.

Perhaps you do not have the results yet, but if you have and have been told all is "normal", including the thyroid function.... please do not take the GPs word for it. More often than not "normal" thyroid results are anything but normal – plus, it is highly likely that your GP has only checked the TSH .... and since you are hypothyroid yourself, you will know that the TSH alone will only tell part of the story.

Please press your GP to do a full thyroid check for your daughter – just a TSH (which he probably has done) is not enough to rule out Hypothyroidism. If he were unwilling to do that, I would be inclined to find someone who is a bit more clued up and willing to check. If all else fails, you could always have a private thyroid screen done with Genova, which, as a member of TPA-UK would cost you £ 60 instead of the usual £ 80. To my mind, malfunctioning thyroid should be high on the list of finding the underlying cause for your daughters depression.

Hope this helps a little,

With best wishes,

[Guest guest]

Thanks and very much for your time.

I will try to get the results and the specific tests that were performed and

then post them. I'll call to ask what kind of therapy (CBT sounds great) the

lady she's scheduled to see does.

You asked to know more Chris:

Stressors-

1 She told me that he's told her to kill herself, that he knows she wants to and

that he pushed her into a road once and told her she should die. He has said

repeatedly she's ugly and will never get a boyfriend/get married. Just treated

her horribly for ages.

2 She feels that our entire focus has been on our son (the one with ADHD) and

that is mostly true. He has taken up more time than our other 3 children

combined and the drain on our emotions as parents has been profound. Absolutely.

It has been unbearable so much of the time.

3 After the incident of her brothers drinking at school, being caring and the

older sister, she was very worried about her brothers , especially her younger

brother whom know one would have expected to do this kind of thing.

4 She had loads of horrible comments and finger pointing after the incident as

they attended the same school.

5 As for me, I'd been terribly upset (stressed, depressed, crying uncontrollably

at times - my reaction to all of this was like you'd expect with the death of a

loved one,similiar to grief). My husband has had terrible heart palpitations

since all this and they're all aware of this.

6 She also helped out at home a couple of summers ago as I was so poorly with my

thyroid. I'm still not right, and that is hard on everyone too.

A few weeks after they's been expelled, we took our 15 year old to an adventure

therapy camp in the US for a total of 7 weeks (he had been on a self destructive

path for too long and we seemed to have no affect on him and his behaviour). The

camp have trained councellors and have a programme that is very holistic and has

a positive philosophy to teach to students and family. And loads of outdoor

activities and seeing all of the beautiful state. Not the abusive military style

camps people have heard of! We had the therapist call every week with updates

and letters were exchanged every week between our son in the US and us all at

home. Plus a visit our from his dad too. The expense of it all was worth it.

Things have improved greatly since he's returned, but his absence was felt,

admittedly, as a relief to us all at times. We could have a normal, unstressed

family life!

It was after his first 4 weeks that he had testing and was diagnosed as ADHD,

alcohol dependent, and having Oppositional Defiance Disorder, which his

councellor disputes. For us, knowing now the cause to about 14 years of

suffering is easy for us, but she was a kid growing up through all this. I think

knowing he was coming back (from camp)and not quite knowing what to expect when

he did come back was hard for her and for myself and my husband too.

I can see now that I was so caught up and absorbed in sorting everything out

that I didn't see just how much she was affected. She didn't want to express how

she was feeling as she felt we ourselves had too much on our own plates.

Thanks again and I will update when I have more info.

YL

[Guest guest]

You mean conversion of T4 into T3 I think Angel *grin*.#

Luv - Sheila

Hi anti-depressants don`t work. I am led to believe that the

cause of depression is lack of T3 or conversion of T3 into T4, but I think it

is the auto-antibodies. as in hypothyroidism. hypo starts in the cells so what

do i no about it well I have it mildly sometimes. I feel down and sad and have

to remind myself that it will pass.

Angel.

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i think they can and do work, depending on the nature of the problem. it maybe

that some people need t3 and this will help depression, it may be that others

won't respond to this. sorry you are suffering too, life seems hard for many

people at the moment.

>

> Hi anti-depressants don`t work. I am led to believe that the cause of

depression

> is lack of T3 or conversion of T3 into T4, but I think it is the

> auto-antibodies. as in hypothyroidism. hypo starts in the cells so what do i

no

> about it well I have it mildly sometimes. I feel down and sad and have to

remind

> myself that it will pass.

> Angel.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again YL

thanks for sharing more information, it sounds extremely traumatic. i can relate

somewhat to the issues you describe with your daughter, a member of my family

was extremely unpleasant to grow up with (in fact a few wre) and this cuased a

lot of problems with my self esteem etc, and you can end up expecting other

people to treat you badly too, there are so many dynamics involved.

one thing about cbt is, you have to want to change the sitaution or be open to

the possibility of change. eg, if she feels unattractive, then she has to be

able to look at the reasons she thinks this, and be open to other possibilities

that discount this and not dismiss it. words like 'never' are quite damning,

aren't they, i'll 'never' do x. who says? never? really? i mean reaallly? how

can someone tell the future, predict the worse, is it any wonder she might feel

bad?! cbt can be very powerful but you have to be open to change. it is

important to consider that all these bad thoughts and beleifs about herself, may

be symptoms of other issues, or may be (one of) the causes of her depression.

the mind over mood book is something you can work through yourself, that's

partly the point of it, you can work through stuff, you don't need to be an

expert though of course if you are taught cbt by an expert, it helps but like

all things, some 'experts' aren't that good, so getting her that book could be

something you could work through with her maybe, i suspect you'd find it helpful

too.

that said, sometimes things like cbt can only help fight the automatically

generated thoughts like " i'm crap, useless etc " - but it can help to have a tool

to fight these thoughts, whilst you get to the bottom of the causes, be they

thyroid, circumstance, or possibly more likely, a whole heap of stuff.

EFT (emotional freedom technique) can help with emotions and memories and things

like that, and help people.

http://anyfutureyouwant.com/welcome/eft-quick-start-guide " Even though I'm x, I

deeply and completely love and accept myself. "

please do consider EFT too, it can be very helpful and is something you could

work on *now*. lots of free resources on this too.

that said, be wary of making the other mistake that i've known others make (and

i've made), which is thinking you can fix and solve this all yourself -sometimes

you can't and you do need extra help like antidepressants, they have their uses,

and if you get the right one, with good therapy, can really help people. i've

made this mistake too, and blamed myself for all the bad thoughts i got and

belived that if " only i could think the right thought i'd be ok " -, constantly

wrestling with thoughts, this might seem surprising and contradicts the CBT

thing above, but cbt is just a tool, and if you can get to the bottom of the

issue, be it a core beliefe that she's unattractvie (and can change this

belief), a thyroid issue, or whatever, then the bad thougths should hopefully

stop. i don't think it's as simple as 'cbt' or 'thyroid' given what's gone on

and how long, and how battered her self esteem must be. that said, if she was

hypo-t and got treated and felt better in herself, it would be eaiser to think

better. it is easier to think better when you feel better, i find when i feel

crap (which is most of the time to be fair), my thoughts are bad, but when i

feel better, i automatically think better. some practitioners seem to think you

can change your physiology by thoughts, i've not really found this, in me, body

over rides mind any day of the week. yes you can put up with bad thoughts and

hcallenge them and if you reinterperet something which you initially got wrong

(eg i'm unattractive because my brother who is trying to be hurtful said i'm

ugly " ) and challenge this (and say hang maybe i'm not unattractive, that boy

spoke to me, i like x and y about myself, my body, looks aren't everything, i'm

good enough, better than good enough!) then this can really help but someitmes

it doesn't as sometimes the problem is physiological, in my experience/opinion.

i think CBT would help a lot of people, there are also other therapies which can

follow on or stand alone from CBT,such as CAT (cog analytic therapy) which kind

of combines aspects of CBT and analytic therapy, so you can see where you are,

how you came to be like this, and see how your patterns of behaviour are and how

you can change them. etc.

as i also said there's 5-htp, it can sometimes be very effective, you can get

this from holland and barrett for about 12 pound. you cannot take iwth with

antidepreesants or st johns wort though.

it is a tough call to know how much of this to try to solve personally and with

therapy and also when to seek medical and pharmaceutical help. perhaps it's not

an either or. i don't know.

hope all of your lives start to improve soon and you all feel better. sorry

for repeating myself at times and that i'm not always that clear, just wanted to

get this out to you.

chris

>

> Thanks and very much for your time.

>

>

>

> 5 As for me, I'd been terribly upset (stressed, depressed, crying

uncontrollably at times - my reaction to all of this was like you'd expect with

the death of a loved one,similiar to grief). My husband has had terrible heart

palpitations since all this and they're all aware of this.

>

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Some test results came back:

Her Ferritin is 5 (!) with the range being (30-150)

Her TSH is 3.2, ith the reange being (0.3-5.0)

Can her abismal Ferritin result somehow be related to her depression?

It must relate to her lethargy for sure.

Should I be concerned about the TSH result, given I am hypothyroid and she has

depression and feels sluggish and tired and has big time trouble getting into

bed at night and getting off to sleep once she is in bed? I'm thinking her

Circadian Rythym is off, but I also know teenagers can be a bit like this (the

stuggle to get to bed thing), although it is much more noticable lately, her

desire to keep late hours. Getting her to bed is an uphill battle. How is CR

corrected?

I will be asking the GP on Thurs for iron injections and to perform:

Free T4

Free T3

TPO

TgAB

TRAb

She is seeing a councellor (starting today)who has trained in Cognitive

Behaviour Therapy and is now on a really good multivitimin and " Proxan " given by

a naturpath yesterday.

The " Proxan " ingredients:

5-Hydroxy-tryptophan 100mg

5-adenosyl methioine 100mg

dl-Phenylalanine 100mg

Potassium phosshate -monobasic 50mg

Equiv. otassium 14.4mg

Pyridoxal-5-phosphate 5.0mg

Cynaocobalamin 400 micogram

Folic Acid 400 microgram

This is for mood stability, 1 tablet per day for three months.

I'm trying to be firm with bedtimes for her, telling her that not having

sufficient sleep is linked to depression and other physical and mental problems.

I gave her two sources to read, as they never like to listen to mum!

Thanks,

YL

said:

If she were my daughter, I would consider antidepressants as a very last resort

– not the first one.

> Depression has an underlying cause – and in families with known

> thyroid conditions one should always check other members of the family

> for malfunctioning thyroid - depression is one of the classic

> hypothyroid symptoms, probably caused by a lack of T3 to the brain.

> Giving antidepressants is rarely the answer. It does not cure anything,

> it just defers the underlying problem. Unfortunately Antidepressants

> are only all too easily doled out by our doctors. Instead of getting to

> the bottom of the problem, they take the easy way out and treat the

> symptoms rather than the cause.

>

>

>

> You say your daughter had blood tests including a thyroid check –

> have you got copies of the results that you could post on here ? –

> with Ref Ranges please, since every lab has slightly different ranges.

>

>

> Please press your GP to do a full thyroid check for your daughter –

> just a TSH (which he probably has done) is not enough to rule out

> Hypothyroidism. To my mind, malfunctioning thyroid should be high on

> the list of finding the underlying cause for your daughters depression.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Well that's a bit of a classic then, if the ferritin is that low then it wll

affect how or whether the t3 can get into the calls, assuming that her thyroid

has put out some T4 and she has managed to convert it to T3.

I doubt she needs counselling, anti depressants, or any of that stuff, she

justs needs some proper meds to make her better. Absolutely you should be

worried about the high TSH, a normal TSH is 1 and many countries treat at 2.5.

You're on the right track asking for further tests, she definately won't be

feeling well with no iron or thyroid meds....

.

>

> Some test results came back:

>

> Her Ferritin is 5 (!) with the range being (30-150)

>

> Her TSH is 3.2, ith the reange being (0.3-5.0)

>

> Can her abismal Ferritin result somehow be related to her depression?

> It must relate to her lethargy for sure.

[Guest guest]

Thanks and for your info and directness.

I will go armed tomorrow to the GP again with all of this and will ring for an

appointment with my Endo.

Further test results, showing other findings:

*abnormal

*Ca (corr) low at 2.22 mmol/L (2,25-2.60)

25 Hydroxy Vitamin D 114 nmol/L (50-150) Is this D3??

Anaemia Profile:

Iron 8 umol/L (5-30)

*TIBC high at 75 umol/L (45-72)

*Saturation low at 11 % (20-55)

*Ferritin which we know to be low at 5 ug/L (30-150)

Vitamin B12 at 299 pmol/L (+150; deficiency unlikey at +250)

We went through the symptoms checklist together from the TPA files:

She has complaints (sometimes, but not always)of excessive tirdeness (sometimes

falling asleep in class or fighting the urge to do so), slow-slurred speech,

dizziness, trembling, insomnia, heavy eyelids, feeling faint, confusion, loss of

stamina, pressure headaches, dry eyes, blurred vision, memory loss, poor

concentration and mental sluggishness, etc, etc. We went through the symptoms

checklist together from the TPA files.

Besides having her tested for Free T3, Free T4 and Thyroid Ab(s) tomorrow, I

will ask for Mag, Folate, Zinc and Copper to be conducted.

Thanks

>

>

>

> Right.... there is the first thread to your answer. With a ferritin of 5

> her thyroid hormone is bound to be blocked from getting into the cells.

> I don't know what other parameters have already been checked, but

> you need to press your GP in view of this rather disastrous ferritin

> level to check for magnesium, folate, zinc, copper, Vit D3 and Vit B12.

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

I consider a ferritin level of only 5 to be dangerously low.

What on earth is her doctor doing about this?

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/ferritin-levels.html

Low Ferritin Levels Symptoms and Treatment

·

Fatigue

·

Headaches

·

Dizziness

·

Rapid heart rate or palpitations

·

Brittle nails

·

Pale color of eyes

·

Loss of libido

·

Irritability

·

Strong feeling for eating non-food items or pacophagia (compulsive

eating of ice)

Eating iron enriched foods

like chicken liver, beef liver, trouts, oysters, spinach, potatoes, etc. and

cutting down the intake of caffeine (tea or coffee) can definitely help raise

ferritin levels. One more point to note here is that, vitamin C helps absorb iron. So

increasing the consumption of foods with vitamin C

can also help raise ferritin levels. You may also take iron supplements after

consulting your physician but you should also take into consideration iron supplement side

effects.

Luv - Sheila

>Ferritin 5 (30-150)

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila and Nick for your help.

We will let you know how things go.

YL xx

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear about your plight. Your kids are lucky to have such great parents!You can find fantastic help with Anaemia here :http://www.pernicious-anaemia-society.org/ Well worth joining the forum.I would also recommend a consultation with Dr Riar. The PAS can give you his details.Good luck!More results in. Free T4 12.4 (9-19) Free T3 5 (2.6-6) FSH 3.5 (0.3-5) Magnesium 0.9 (0.7-1.1) Ferritin 5 (30-150)25-OH Vitamin D 114 (50-150) B12 299 ("deficiency unlikely above 250")

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ian. I shall look into this.

YL

>

> Sorry to hear about your plight. Your kids are lucky to have such great

> parents!

>

> You can find fantastic help with Anaemia here :

>

> http://www.pernicious-anaemia-society.org/

> <http://www.pernicious-anaemia-society.org/> Well worth joining the

> forum.

>

>

>

> I would also recommend a consultation with Dr Riar. The PAS can give

> you his details.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My poor girl's latest results and treatment protocol:

Thyroid Peroxidase 1000 (0-6),

Thyroglobulin 275 (0-4)

Copper 12.4 (13-25)

Zinc 9.3 (.0-19)

My daughter saw my specialist today (we live outside the UK). She is also seeing

a Naturapath. The specialist is wanting to see what raising her Ferritin

(injections fortnightly for a time) and having her on suppliments might do for

her, and delay or negate the need for Thyroid hormone. We will see how we go.

They are:

Floradix (Liquid Herbal Iron Extract-German manufacturer, www.salus-haus.com)

Lucostat ** (will provide more info soon. Basically, it is supposed to reduce

the severity of an Auto Immune attack)

Thyrobalance ( 3, Zinc, Vit B2Vit B " For the maintenance of normal healthy

thyroid function and metabolisthania, Ginger, Rosemary, Vit E,m " ; Goji,

Withania, Ginger, Rosemary, Vit E, Vit B3, Zinc, Vit A, Selenium, Iodine;

www.metagenics.com.au

Energy X (main ingredient Magnesium plus calcium, tyrosine, vit C, Zinc,

Selenium, Iodine)

**Lucostat (meant to reduce an Auto Immune attack-will follow with more info!!)

Herbs:

**Hemedemis, Rehmania, Echinacea (meant to reduce an Auto Immune attack-will

follow with exact quantities!!)

Women's Essentials (fab multi vitamin, " practitioner only " , Bio Ceuticals.

Whey Protein Isolate

Would appreciate comments/advice, please.

Best,

YL

[Guest guest]

Hi YL,

Are both children short of copper?

What type of local water supply do you have?

Hard, Soft, intermediate, loaded with manganese??

Bob

>

> I need advice regarding anti depresents please.

>

> I took my daughter to our GP the other day as she told me she is depressed and

has felt suicidal.At one point, she began attempting her own life.

>

> She's had blood tests, including checking her thyroid function. We have had an

extremely stressful homelife...our 15 year old has had undiagnosed/untreated

ADHD. (We have recently had him diagnosed and are in the process of seeing a

specialist for ADHD for him). He has bullied sister over several years and we

parents have been stressed beyond belief over the last few years with his

behaviour. My Thyroid problems have added to the stress too. Recently, both our

15 year old and his younger brother were expelled from school for drinking. It's

been the shock of our lives.

>

> Please, PLEASE, help.

>

> Should I be scared of our lovely, bright, caring, talented and beautiful

daughter going on antidepresents? They've not been prescribed...YET. The GP

feels sure she is a prime candidate.> > We have to weigh it up, I'm thinking.

Anti-depresents and the possible negative effect (sometimes driving the person

to increased suicidal tendancies) v. no medications and the possibility of

losing our daughter to suicide. Of course it is our daughter's decision, too,

about prescribed medication.

>

> Please help,

>

> Desperate (a member for the past one and a half years)

>

[Guest guest]

Hello YL - seems you have a specialist that knows what he is

doing. I knew she would need iron injections. Let us know of her progress won't

you, and good luck to y our daughter. Give her a big (((HUG))) from all at TPA.

Luv - Sheila

My daughter saw my specialist today (we live outside the UK). She is also

seeing a Naturapath. The specialist is wanting to see what raising her Ferritin

(injections fortnightly for a time) and having her on suppliments might do for

her, and delay or negate the need for Thyroid hormone. We will see how we go.

They are:

Floradix (Liquid Herbal Iron Extract-German manufacturer, www.salus-haus.com)

Lucostat ** (will provide more info soon. Basically, it is supposed to reduce

the severity of an Auto Immune attack)

Thyrobalance ( 3, Zinc, Vit B2Vit B " For the maintenance of normal healthy

thyroid function and metabolisthania, Ginger, Rosemary, Vit E,m " ; Goji,

Withania, Ginger, Rosemary, Vit E, Vit B3, Zinc, Vit A, Selenium, Iodine;

www.metagenics.com.au

Energy X (main ingredient Magnesium plus calcium, tyrosine, vit C, Zinc,

Selenium, Iodine)

**Lucostat (meant to reduce an Auto Immune attack-will follow with more info!!)

Herbs:

**Hemedemis, Rehmania, Echinacea (meant to reduce an Auto Immune attack-will

follow with exact quantities!!)

Women's Essentials (fab multi vitamin, " practitioner only " , Bio

Ceuticals.

Whey Protein Isolate

Would appreciate comments/advice, please.

Best,

YL

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Hello YL,

Thyroid Peroxidase 1000 (0-6),Thyroglobulin 275 (0-4)Copper 12.4 (13-25)Zinc 9.3 (.0-19)

Free T4 12.4 (9-19)Free T3 5 (2.6-6)

FSH 3.5 (0.3-5)Magnesium 0.9 (0.7-1.1)Ferritin 5 (30-150)25-OH Vitamin D 114 (50-150)B12 299 ("deficiency unlikely above 250")

Here we go – just as I thought ...... TPO of 1000 and TgAb of 275 .... - according to Dr. Peatfield (and he was crystal clear about that specific question): positive thyroid autoantibodies are diagnostic for Thyroid disease – regardless of other thyroid parameter readings.

Your daughter suffers from Hashimoto's disease (autoimmune thyroiditis). It is IMO very likely that her "normal" FT4 and FT3 were a red herring..... with autoantibodies as high as hers it is more than likely that the FT's are not portraying an accurate reading. Autoantibodies attack the thyroid gland in intervals and destroy yet another bit of the thyroid gland. When this happens, additional thyroid hormones (T4 and T3) get released from the thyroid gland, which artificially elevates FT readings in the blood. Have a read through this:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/hashimotos/

My daughter saw my specialist today (we live outside the UK)Where do you live, YL?

She is also seeinga Naturapath. The specialist is wanting to see what raising her Ferritin(injections fortnightly for a time) and having her on suppliments might do forher, and delay or negate the need for Thyroid hormone. We will see how we go.

My opinion - .... I agree with the Ferritin injections – she needs those desperately - and she also needs other supplements too - copper is too low, for instance, and a bit of Zinc wouldn't go amiss either, her B12 is too low as well and needs supplementing ....... but if it were my daughter I would press for medicating her with thyroid hormones as soon as her adrenal function has been checked out and (if necessary) she's been started on adrenal support. I'm afraid that is something you would need to do privately (if necessary), as doctors usually do not recognize adrenal fatigue. Personally I do not see the slightest point in delaying thyroid treatment and certainly none in negating it. Autoimmune thyroiditis means that autoantibodies attack your daughter's thyroid gland and they will, in due course, destroy the gland. This can take many months to many years, but it will happen – no treatment will stop that. But what treatment will do is replenish the thyroid hormones in the body which her own thyroid gland can no longer produce in sufficient numbers and this is what she needs.

All of the supplements you list, I am sure, look pretty good and will help..... but I am a cynic. – You say you do not live in the UK, and if by any chance you live in another European country, I fear that all of those combination supplements you have listed will add up to a hell of a lot of money and they are a nice little earner for a Naturopath . I am German myself (but live in the UK) and I know that such supplements in Germany for instance would cost an arm and a leg..... and a Naturopath's fees would also be very high there...... All I am saying is – please do not get bogged down a route that promises "natural healing" whilst prolonging thyroid treatment . Natural remedies are excellent in supporting the body, but there is not a supplement on earth that will cure or replace the need for thyroid hormones in case of Hashimoto's. When a patient is thyroid deficient because of an autoimmune condition, then thyroid hormones (in addition to replacing inadequate minerals and vitamins) are needed to rectify the situation. Without a doubt taking minerals and vitamins as needed is a necessity to help transporting the thyroid hormone into the cells, but it is the thyroid hormone that keeps the body alive – the minerals and vitamins are only providing the right conditions for the thyroid hormone to be absorbed by the cells. You have been recommended a lot of supplements for your daughter, and all of them sound good and helpful – but please do not lose sight of the fact that it is thyroid hormone she needs as soon as possible.... and please remember to check out your daughters adrenal function – Hashimoto's and hypoadrenia often go hand in hand.....

With very best wishes,

[Guest guest]

To Always Yorkshire lass. Read your post about your daughter, hope things are

picking up. Re the other issues around your son and effect on your daughter. I

am in the same boat. My 15yr old daughter has a learning disability (not fully

diagnosed). She has made her younger sisters life hell. 8yr old is now getting

help from Eastern Ravens (young carers) as , although she is not actually caring

for her sister, she has veen affected. There is also something called 'alliance'

which provides councilling for family members. If I can help in any way.

Pleaseget in touch, as I an quite active within special needs groups in the

North East. Also totally understand how being ill with thyroid could not come at

a worse time when you have a special needs family. Lots of carers such as

ourselves succumb to illness. Best of luck. Take care. Jan. Xx

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much Jan for the info. I'm actually in Australia, but it's very sweet

for you to try to help.

What's being done for your 15 year old's diagnosis? May I ask what your main

concerns are? It's just that not having a diagnosis for my son until this year

(he is nearly 16) has been so difficult for us all and I hate to think of others

who have struggled with a similar situation where nobody but the family know

there is something amiss.

Best,

YL

Janine Wilkinson wrote:

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Read your post about your daughter... Re the other issues around your son and

effect on your daughter. I am in the same boat. My 15yr old daughter has a

learning disability (not fully diagnosed). She has made her younger sisters life

hell. 8yr old is now getting help from Eastern Ravens (young carers) as ,

although she is not actually caring for her sister, she has veen affected. Lots

of carers such as ourselves succumb to illness.