Re: New development - any ideas?????

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:44:40 -0000, you wrote:

>I haven't been able to tolerate using T3. I have ongoing chronic exhaustion,

constant migraine aura, headaches and migraines that usually go on for 7 + days,

lipoedema, low vit D levels (controlled via supplementation) , iron anaemia

(controlled via supplementation), lactose intolerance, gluten intolerance.

>

>Any ideas or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

The usual reasons for T3 intolerance are low iron (a full iron panel

helps rather than just Ferritin) and adrenal issues. If you can't

tolerate T3 you will never feel right on T4, it just emphasis that

something is missing

http://thyroid-rt3.com/other.htm

These issues are dealth with here and there are links to further

resources

Nick

[Guest guest]

See http://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0006/ea0006p3.htm

You can get quite a bit up if you put lactose sucrose

malabsorption hypothyroidism into your search engine. Levothyroxine contains

lactose.

Luv - Sheila

Yesterday I was at the docs and received the results of my final sugar

malabsorption tests that were carried out at a major hospital. My results came

back positive for SUCROSE MALABSORPTION. I've had a look online, but there only

seems to be a link to some sort of inherited condition, but as I won't see a GP

until Wed ( I need a referral to a dietician), I am trying to work out what the

sucrose malabsorption means as far as my diet, etc.

,___

[Guest guest]

P Excuse me if this is a really stupid question but would not the lack of

sucrose being absorbed into your system, would that not be a very good thing as

sucrose is poison to the system?

And ditto lactose? If you cannot absorb it then it cannot cause you an

intolerance reaction can it?

Mo

>

> I usually only post these days when something new happens. Just wondering

whether there is a link between thyroid issues and SUCROSE malabsorption???

Does anyone out there have any ideas about this?????

>

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

http://www.thyroidboards.com/showthread.php?t=334

anything of interest here P? Mo

>

> I usually only post these days when something new happens. Just wondering

whether there is a link between thyroid issues and SUCROSE malabsorption???

Does anyone out there have any ideas about this?????

>

[Guest guest]

That is an extremely interesting link Sheila. I've taken note of the name of

lactose free thyroxine. I will try the mix of words that you suggested. I'm

usually really good at finding links, but had problems with finding any general

info about sucrose malabsorption.

Thanks.

P

>

> See <http://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0006/ea0006p3.htm>

> http://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0006/ea0006p3.htm

>

> You can get quite a bit up if you put lactose sucrose malabsorption

> hypothyroidism into your search engine. Levothyroxine contains lactose.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mo,

I'm still looking into all of this stuff, but this explains what happens re

malabsorption of lactose. I'm a bit clueless about the sucrose thing atm and

still need to find more info.

P

Undigested milk sugars

The enzyme lactase breaks down milk sugar (lactose). Lactase enzymes are found

in the mucus of the small intestine. They change the milk sugar into the

absorbable compounds – glucose and galactose.

If there is not enough lactase around, the lactose skips the usual digestive

process and is partially broken down by the bacteria in the intestines. This

fermentation process causes excessive wind, bloating and associated pain. Any

undigested lactose is sent along the intestinal tract. Water is not removed from

the faecal matter and diarrhoea is the result.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Lactose_intoleran\

ce

>

>

> P Excuse me if this is a really stupid question but would not the lack of

sucrose being absorbed into your system, would that not be a very good thing as

sucrose is poison to the system?

> And ditto lactose? If you cannot absorb it then it cannot cause you an

intolerance reaction can it?

>

> Mo

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much Mo. I believe that glucose absorbs differently to glucose and

sucrose. They tested my glucose absorption and it was completely normal. The

sucrose side of things is a bit of an enigma, but I'll keep searching for info.

Thanks again for taking the time to look this up for me. It is nice of you to do

so.

P

>

> http://www.thyroidboards.com/showthread.php?t=334

>

> anything of interest here P? Mo

[Guest guest]

Hi Nick,

I had a full iron panel done & came back as iron deficient, however after

supplementation my iron levels are normal again. At the time of taking T3, my

iron & ferritin levels were ok.

Thanks very much for the link. I'll have a good look at it. I feel terrible

most of the time, so am thankful for another website to look at to glean further

information.

P

>

> >I haven't been able to tolerate using T3. I have ongoing chronic exhaustion,

constant migraine aura, headaches and migraines that usually go on for 7 + days,

lipoedema, low vit D levels (controlled via supplementation) , iron anaemia

(controlled via supplementation), lactose intolerance, gluten intolerance.

> >

> >Any ideas or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

>

> The usual reasons for T3 intolerance are low iron (a full iron panel

> helps rather than just Ferritin) and adrenal issues. If you can't

> tolerate T3 you will never feel right on T4, it just emphasis that

> something is missing

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/other.htm

>

> These issues are dealth with here and there are links to further

> resources

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Hi P,

http://www.nevdgp.org.au/info/gastro/SUGARMALABSORPTION.htm

" The small intestine is a flexible 1cm diameter tube which is several metres in

length. It starts at the stomach outlet and finishes where it joins the large

bowel at the caecum (near the appendix).

It is an important tube, because all food is digested here and then absorbed

through its wall into the blood stream. The cells which line the inside of the

tube have specialised functions. Many contain enzymes (chemicals), which are

necessary for digestion of sugars in the diet. These sugars include milk sugar

(lactose), which is in breast milk and cow's milk, and table sugar (sucrose),

which is present in many fruits and vegetables as well as in cakes, biscuits,

sweets and cordials.

The enzymes are present in a series of fine projections on the cell surface

called the BRUSH BORDER.

Lactose (milk sugar), and sucrose, (table sugar), are DOUBLE SUGARS: that is

they are each made up of two single sugars joined together. The body is unable

to absorb them or use them for energy unless they are first split into single

sugars. It is this step of splitting the double sugars for which the enzymes are

necessary.

Each enzyme is named after the sugar which it splits, by changing the end of the

sugar name to " ase " . Thus the enzyme which splits lactose is called LACTASE and

the enzyme which splits sucrose is called SUCRASE.

Most children who have sugar malabsorption will be intolerant of either lactose

or sucrose but not both. If for some reason one of the enzymes, (lactase or

sucrase) is absent or low, the sugars in the diet will not be split and so will

not be absorbed. "

Anything that affects those enzymes can cause malabsorption.

Could be genetic, could be systemic, could be temporary due to illness, could be

autoimmune (affecting small intestine or Pancreas)or any other condition

affecting Bowel/Intestine.

" Treatment " seems to consist of ...

1) avoiding Lactose & Sucrose

2) replacing the missing enzymes via supplementing Digestive Enzymes

3) testing, dxing & appropriate treatment for autoimmune condition eg. Coeliac

could be causing damage to small intestine

4) Crohns, Inflammatory Bowel Disease

Note Hypothyroidism slows down digestion, stomach acid, Pancreas, intestinal

function. So of course OPTIMISING Thyroid & any other Endocrine issues

(Adrenals, Sex Hormones, Blood Sugar regulation) would see those organs regain

optimal function.

Have you had Pancreatic Enzymes tested? Have you tried supping Lactase, Sucrase

& other Pancreatic Enzymes? What about stomach acid? Have you tried HCl? Had an

Endoscopy and/or Bowel Biopsy?

You mentioned your Glucose absorption was fine. What about Fructose?

Other links

http://www.medbio.info/Horn/Time%201-2/carbohydrate_metabolism%20March%202007a.h\

tm

http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/digestive-health/nutrition/barrett\

article.pdf

http://purplekangaroopuzzle.blogspot.com/2007/10/sugar-intolerance-information.h\

tml

Lethal Lee

" patersonia " wrote:

I believe that glucose absorbs differently to glucose and sucrose. They tested

my glucose absorption and it was completely normal. The sucrose side of things

is a bit of an enigma, but I'll keep searching for info.

[Guest guest]

HI ALL

Can I put something in here. How many have been given lactulose for

constipation, and in turn noticed how much uncomfortable wind this creates. A

Doctor will say its the best thing for constipation as its a natural product in

the bowel. I ask the chemist to keep my last prescription, as I knew it would

get wasted.This Lactose is also in many drugs, but also sorbital and aspartame.

These ingrediants are also in toothpastes, drinks. If Lactase breaks down

Lactose, it should be a simple thing to take this enzyme with thyroxine to break

down the lactose in that.

Kathleen

>

> Hi Mo,

> I'm still looking into all of this stuff, but this explains what happens re

malabsorption of lactose. I'm a bit clueless about the sucrose thing atm and

still need to find more info.

> P

>

>

> Undigested milk sugars

> The enzyme lactase breaks down milk sugar (lactose). Lactase enzymes are found

in the mucus of the small intestine. They change the milk sugar into the

absorbable compounds – glucose and galactose.

>

> If there is not enough lactase around, the lactose skips the usual digestive

process and is partially broken down by the bacteria in the intestines. This

fermentation process causes excessive wind, bloating and associated pain. Any

undigested lactose is sent along the intestinal tract. Water is not removed from

the faecal matter and diarrhoea is the result.

>

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Lactose_intoleran\

ce

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if GlutenEase would help I take this as I am gluten and lactose

intolerant and it breaks down the necessary and so forestalls any reactions?

I get it from iHerb though you can get it here in the UK.

Mo

> Hi Mo,

> I'm still looking into all of this stuff, but this explains what happens re

malabsorption of lactose. I'm a bit clueless about the sucrose thing atm and

still need to find more info.

> P digestive process and is partially broken down by the bacteria in the

intestines. This fermentation process causes excessive wind, bloating and

associated pain. Any undigested lactose is sent along

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting but don't know if it is that easy. This is something my daughter is

struggling with at the moment with little help from the GP. Trying to find a way

to take the meds (HC and T4) you need when they all contain Lactose is

impossible. Alternative liquid if GP will prescribe but looks like it contains

some sort of sugar.

Does anyone have an experience of taking Lactase for a lactose

intolerance/allergy.

If this is the answer I'll be onto the GP tomorrow.

>

If Lactase breaks down Lactose, it should be a simple thing to take this enzyme

with thyroxine to break down the lactose in that.

> Kathleen

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

Lots of info on Digestive enzymes & Probiotics here

http://www.enzymestuff.com/

This company has a product for Lactose Intolerance via UK Shop

http://www.enzymedica.co.uk/shop/all-products/enzymedica-lacto-30-capsules.asp

Product Info

http://www.enzymedica.com/pdf/Lacto%20Small.pdf

I too used to have SEVERE Lactose Intolerance & IBS. The IBS is long gone &

Lactose Intolerance now improved considerably. Although I do use Lactose Free

Milk (probably don't need to but have got used to the taste) I no longer have

any problems with icecream, Cheese, Yoghurt, etc or taking any meds containing

Lactose.

This is what I used to improve digestion...

1/ Daily capsule in am of a good Probiotic.

I use a DAIRY FREE Probiotic (requires refrigeration)

http://ethicalnutrients.com.au/content/products/inner-health-plus-dairy-free

Each capsule contains 25 Billion Good Bacteria:

Lactobacillus Acidophilus (NCFM) organisms 12.5 Billion

Bifidobacterium Lactis organisms 12.5 Billion

2/ Optimising Sodium levels (by Sea Salt supping) this helps maintain good

levels Stomach Acid

3/ Optimising Adrenals & Thyroid greatly improves digestion, stomach acid,

bowels, organ function (Liver, Pancreas, Kidney etc).

I did try plant enzymes but reacted badly to them. I suspect it was the Papain &

Bromelain which are high in Sulphur. Animal enzymes are superior but much more

expensive.

Note some folks on Real Thyroid Help also take cellulase to help break down the

cellulose present in many meds including NTH (including Armour & Naturethroid),

many vits & mins supps, and of course in food (veges in particular).

Regards Lethal Lee

" Judy " wrote:

>

> Interesting but don't know if it is that easy. This is something my daughter

is struggling with at the moment with little help from the GP. Trying to find a

way to take the meds (HC and T4) you need when they all contain Lactose is

impossible. Alternative liquid if GP will prescribe but looks like it contains

some sort of sugar.

>

> Does anyone have an experience of taking Lactase for a lactose

intolerance/allergy. If this is the answer I'll be onto the GP tomorrow.

>

>

>

> >

>

> If Lactase breaks down Lactose, it should be a simple thing to take this

enzyme with thyroxine to break down the lactose in that.

> > Kathleen

>

>

> [Ed]

>

[Guest guest]

HI JUDY

I tried the EVOTROX THYROXINE LIQUID and its sweet so it has to contain some

sort of sugar. It did not improve things for me and as it is quite expensive my

GP decided against prescribing more.I have also stopped taking my thyroxine now

for 4 days and my hair is not falling out so much, but I cannot go on without

thyroxine for ever.

Kathleen

>

> Interesting but don't know if it is that easy. This is something my daughter

is struggling with at the moment with little help from the GP. Trying to find a

way to take the meds (HC and T4) you need when they all contain Lactose is

impossible. Alternative liquid if GP will prescribe but looks like it contains

some sort of sugar.

>

> Does anyone have an experience of taking Lactase for a lactose

intolerance/allergy.

>

> If this is the answer I'll be onto the GP tomorrow.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lactose intolerance is not an allergy. It means you don't produce enough

lactase to digest the lactose. That is a common situation with all kinds of

poor digestion and may be temporary. As soon as any kind of damage to the gut

occurs, the ability to digest lactose is one of the first things to be affected.

I was told I had lactose intolerance and tried those drops which you mix with

normal milk to predigest the lactose. However, that did not improve matters in

my case. The lactose is converted to galactose and glucose and they seemed to

cause just as much indigestion as the lactose had. I am better without sugars

of any kind so far as possible.

That is not to say you won't find them helpful, but you did ask about other

people's experience.

http://www.lactaid.ca/en/whats-lactaid-supplem.asp

Miriam

> Does anyone have an experience of taking Lactase for a lactose

intolerance/allergy.

[Guest guest]

The liquid thyroxine comes in sugar and lactose free.

Glynis

>

> HI JUDY

> I tried the EVOTROX THYROXINE LIQUID and its sweet so it has to contain some

sort of sugar.

Alternative liquid if GP will prescribe but looks like it contains some sort of

sugar.

[Guest guest]

Hi Glynis

Is this the same product?

Evotrox contains Levothyroxine sodium, Glycerol, sodium methyl

parahyroxybenzoate.

Whatever is in it my daughter can't tolerate it and it seems to feed the

candida. My daughters problem has become so complex everything she digests is

causing a reaction.

The Gp will prescribe Evotrox but not anything that is a special order ie from

dales.

So at the moment my daughter is hypothyroid but without any medication she can

take from the GP or endo. I have other alternatives (T3 and NDT) but she needs

to be taking what is prescribe for her by NHS at the moment while under the care

of endo.

Thanks Judy

>

> The liquid thyroxine comes in sugar and lactose free.

> Glynis

>

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:37:03 -0000, you wrote:

>

>So at the moment my daughter is hypothyroid but without any medication she can

take from the GP or endo. I have other alternatives (T3 and NDT) but she needs

to be taking what is prescribe for her by NHS at the moment while under the care

of endo.

The NHS need to get her on something that will work for her.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Ask the chemist to specify sugar and lactose free, its the same product.

Glynis

" judy4jude " <judywilson_1@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Glynis

> Is this the same product?

>

> Evotrox contains Levothyroxine sodium, Glycerol, sodium methyl

parahyroxybenzoate.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Miriam,

My daughter is better without sugars too.

>

> > Does anyone have an experience of taking Lactase for a lactose

intolerance/allergy.

>