Joint and hair problems

[Guest guest]

Having suffered a lot lately with my joints, I notice today that my hair is

falling out more, and feel both are related. There could be several reasons for

it including thyroid problems either overactive or underactive, so am stationary

on what to do as far as thyroxine goes, and Armour thyroid did not help either.

I have now booked an appointment next week to enquire if there is another

problem that in turn is causing a problem to the thyroxine not being absorbed

properly.

I also go back quite a few years before I was ever placed on thyroxine, as I had

joint (not to the extent that I am facing at present) and loss of hair and

having to wear a hat to stop it going in the food, and my hair did get very

thin.

Has anyone else experianced the same, and any ideas on what tests could be of

benefit.

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

>

> Having suffered a lot lately with my joints, I notice today that my hair is

falling out more, and feel both are related. There could be several reasons for

it including thyroid problems either overactive or underactive, so am stationary

on what to do as far as thyroxine

I read (and was surprised) that thyroxene causes hair loss, I didn't have to

look too far. I believe also that the malabsorbtion of vits and mins us hypos

suffer from contribute to both hair loss and joint issues. Have you had your

ferritin levels checked common to be low on iron when hypo and guess what!

aneamia causes hair loss...we can't win can we!! Isabel

[Guest guest]

Aneamia is one of the things that I am going to ask to be checked as years ago

after my cancer ops and after comming off the drug Pimozide i was found to be

aneamic and put on iron pills, but in turn the GP did not keep a check on the

iron. The problem with iron is that it causes constipation which could have

worsened my problems with having a prolapse of the bowel (at the time I did not

know what was prolapsed).

Having gone for a car ride to Hayling Island, I arrived in much pain having to

dash to a toilet.

I was ill the next day which lasted for 3 weeks before being finally admitted to

hospital and could not eat, but forced to drink lemonade allowed to go flat. I

also at this time had to contend with a large polyp caused by tamoxifen that

filled the whole of the uterus, so being constipated as well with iron what can

I say, but I was too weak to walk. They had to give me sodium and pottasium as

all this lemonade I presume had put by water out of balance. When I mentioned

that I had been on iron pills I was told I did not need them.

I have also more recently been prescribed a large ammount of pills known to

cause me problems CO-CODYMOL which again cause constipation, which I returned to

the surgery as I did not want them in my present state in the flat.

I do not know if Doctors are being forced to make patients worse so they can

admit them to hospital, but this practice can end in tragedy sometimes.

My feelings to this are that I would love to have seen that GP deprived of fluid

and made to munch through them himself to see how much pain he could end up in.

I have since refused to see this GP.

This in turn takes me back to when I was pregnant with my second child, but iron

pills were given routinely along with vit C regardless of whether they were

needed, but I think this has been changed now.

I was constipated with both pregnancies and hospitalised for both with high BP,

but Hypothyroidism was not diagnosed until my children were teenagers.

At one stage during my second pregnancy plus having no hot water or heating due

to a burst boiler which took 6 weeks to get fixed. On top of this a large

outbreak of stomache upsets broke out which included both my former Husband and

Daughter. I remained constipated on iron pills. There were also no such things

as diposable nappies either plus having to contend with no hot water supply so

in turn not able to bath my Daughter until she was well enough to use the

communual washroom on the mobile home site.

However if I do need iron pills again I will make a point of informing my GP

that it would not do the prolapse anygood.

When I was able to do anything I used to get a lot of bruising which can also be

associated to aneamia. I have tried for bruising B12 PATCHES for a month. They

helped with the bruises, but caused me to be more active ending up with painful

carpal tunnell.

Before I was ever diagnosed with HYPTHYROIDISM I had to wear a bonnet to prevent

my hair getting in the cooking, and there were problems with joints then.

I was placed on antidepressants once, in turn these caused constipation, and I

passed out twice. The second time I was sent to Atkinson Morely and was told

that I had a form of epilepsy so more pills which caused me to take an overdose.

What they should have done was to take me off the antidepressant that was

causing problems.

Tranquilizers cover up the pain they should be finding the cause of plus causing

a lot more problems including lowering white blood cells that then go on to

cause cancer.

Its also about time that Doctors took note of Sheila, as some of the symptoms of

Hypothyroidism go on to cause other more serious problems, but there are

probably many of us who have suffered for a long time before being treated for

hypothyroidism which has already caused more problems which in turn need

treating before regaining ones health.

My health could have also be made worse by a fall on a bus in June with my head

taking the force and possibly the hips. I did write to the bus company at the

time, and they did say to get back in touch if any problems cropped up.Should

know the result of my neck X-Ray next week. Could it be whiplash as I have never

had pain like it in the shoulders before.

Kathleen

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>

>

> I read (and was surprised) that thyroxene causes hair loss, I didn't have to

look too far. I believe also that the malabsorbtion of vits and mins us hypos

suffer from contribute to both hair loss and joint issues. Have you had your

ferritin levels checked common to be low on iron when hypo and guess what!

aneamia causes hair loss...we can't win can we!! Isabel

>

[Guest guest]

HI JENNY

As I originally posted this question, I have decided to see an Osteopath next

week who is not far from me.

Although I have had arthritas on and off for quite a bit of my life, and I feel

it may well be entwined with Hypothyroidism, but things have got suddenly worse

over the last few weeks.

I had a fall on the bus in June, and my head took the force of the fall and

probably the hips as well. I ended up headlong into the front of the bus. As the

bus stopped and due to the new chassis which are better designed for long

distance on coaches, it sprung back as it stopped and this is how I believe I

came to fall. I am rather nervous of buses now especially as I am not that

steady on my feet now.I am also now getting numbness in two of my fingers which

could indicate a trapped nerve.

She might even know a bit about thyroid problems, so if I learn anything will

keep you informed.

Kathleen

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>

> Hi Isabel,

> Lack of t3 also causes these problems however much T4 you take

,if you can't convert sufficient into T3 then that will cause problems. see

http://www.drlowe.com

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen,

When I was first ill with thyroid disease I had serious issues with

hypermobility and was often in agony as my joints were misplaced - without

osteopath's getting me back in alignment I wouldn't have been able to keep

going. Good luck - I hope she helps you like I was helped. By the way most

(if not all) of my pain went when I went on thyroid meds.

best wishes

Mandy

[Guest guest]

HI MANDY

I find this interesting about Hypermobility, as my chiropodist mentioned this to

me to by looking at my feet only he mentioned it as ENTLER DANLOSS SYNDROME, but

on mentioning this to my GP he said that if it is the case nothing can be done.

I also presume that the fall I had could have easily done further damage, as it

has decended on me since then.

The weight problem associated with Hypothyroidism cannot do ones joints anygood,

let alone if you are prescribed drugs that in turn cause weight gain.

I look back at my old school reports, and the PE teacher does mention my bad

posture.

On trying to link the thyroid condition to my lung condition I found Hashimoto's

can be linked.

My birth weight was 10lb, and they do say that being heavy at birth can indicate

Hypothyroidism, but it cannot always be the case as my Daughter who has the same

condition weighed 6lb 5ozs, but she was started off early due to antibodies in

me due to Rhesus neg group O blood.

I have also read that a heavy baby is more likely to suffer damage during birth,

and lets faceit we enter the world head first, so the neck is vulnerable. Do you

know what your birthweight was.

My Grandfather was the one with joint problems, and he died of pneumonia,and a

good age, and it has been thought that my Grandmother who died of heart failure

was the one who had a thyroid problem, but have to now wonder if both had it,

apart from the fact that my Mother would have suffered due to TB of the neck

(not inherited).

Can you fill me in on how they got your joints back in line, as I can see how

arthritas would come about, and all the nerves go up the spine which I have

described as shivers, in turn causing problems.

It could be that with the colder weather that I do need more thyroxine, but have

been told to leave the dose alone until further tests in about 3 weeks time.

Would it not be nice if they came up with a combined test for all the hormones

to do with thyroid that we could do ourselves with a finger prick like a

diabetic can.

Luv Kathleen

>

> Hi Kathleen,

>

> When I was first ill with thyroid disease I had serious issues with

hypermobility and was often in agony as my joints were misplaced - without

osteopath's getting me back in alignment I wouldn't have been able to keep

going. Good luck - I hope she helps you like I was helped. By the way most

(if not all) of my pain went when I went on thyroid meds.

>

> best wishes

>

> Mandy

>

[Guest guest]

HI Kathleen,

I daresay the fall has brought about some mis alignment and the osteopath will be able to tell you what you may have done and by the process of massage and manipulation wil get you back in line,.

One way I always know about being 'out' again is that my feet splay out instead of going straight ahead when walking - I believe I have been a thyroider as I call it - since birth - tonsils out around about 3 years of age and muscle weakness all my life etc. etc.

Wishing you well at the osteo

regards

Mandy

[Guest guest]

Hi Isabel,

Sorry I havent replied sooner - I was a thyroid baby for sure- my weight was 8

lbs 9 oz but I had my tonsils out early which is a sign of low cortisol/thyroid

hormone - I was always tired as a child and always had pains in my muscles -

which made me cry it was so painful. My mother said when I came home from

hosptial she had to wake me up for feeds and thought I was dead because I hadnt

woken in the night. I never changed from that always so so tired.

In 1994 I suddenly developed pain in my back - I had NEVER had any problems with

my back before - I had had sudden problems with constipation a few years before

and had to go to the Drs who put me on a fibre drink - I believe this finally

did for me. Unbeknown to me I was low on zinc, magnesium and other vitamins and

minerals - which is such a shock because I have taken vitamins and minerals

since I was 19 (now 61) - I know my subject (nutrition) and was horrified to

hear eventually as things moved on that I virtually had malnutrition. I was

mal- absorbing. The high fibre drink had pulled out of my body the last

remaining bits of my minerals and vitamins. I was dangerously low in everything

- particuarly magnesium - the joint spasms I got were due to low magnesium -

finally I got tested in London at Bio-lab and it was found I had all these

issues - however it took another 15 years of pain and suffering to find someone

who would diagnose the rest of my issues as being Hashimoto's - I almost died in

the process. I ballooned in a matter of weeks from a size 10-12 to a size 22 -

I left my job and was so overweight with a huge protruding stomach which was

bigger than when I had been pregnant with my son years before - I could find no

clothes to fit me other than men's clothing - it finished me with my job as I

was a PA at board level and couldnt exactly go into the office in men's

trackies. Then my skin started to peel and bleed and I was unable to tolerate

the sun at all even in the winter. I could go on and on - but............I am

now on the road to recovery. My joint issues finally disappeared when I went

on Armour..........you MUST explain to the Osteo you have thyroid issues and she

should know if she is good that you need to be treated with caution until you

are well.

I hope this helps

best wishes

Mandy

[Guest guest]

HI AMANDA

My GP said that he did not feel that the fall I had has caused any damage, but

the problem with my joints seems to be spreading. He ordered blood tests, and

said if nothing shows then its due to wear and tear.

The pain in my bladder has gone only to be replaced with this painful experiance

with what is spreading to all joints.

I do not think that anyone would accept that wear and tear could come on so

quickly.

I get the results tomorrow and possibly the neck XRAY result.

I do have a couple of other theories as to what the problem could be, and one is

that there could be a problem with the PARAFOLLICULAR CELLS that lay between the

thyroid vesicles that control calcium, and calcium can be involved in joint

problems, unless damage could have occurred here in the fall.

I have also done another posting about my shower filter which Ihave considered

as well.

Kathleen

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> HI Kathleen,

>

> I daresay the fall has brought about some mis alignment and the osteopath

> will be able to tell you what you may have done and by the process of

> massage and manipulation wil get you back in line,.

> Wishing you well at the osteo

>

> regards

>

> Mandy

>

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

First of all - what do Drs know about obscure symptoms such as we experience..................what you are experiencing is (in my opinion) as the result of a deficiency - thing is which one ...........

but dont rely on conventional medicine to find it - i.e. NHS - I only found out what was wrong by the alternative route i.e. Dr P's of this world and vitamin and mineral testing.

Bear this in mind - all illness is a deficiency of some sort ........................

best wishes

[Guest guest]

HI

My own feelings are that calcium is the problem, and I am not able to take

calcium carbonate. I do not know if I am correct, but one needs calcium to

absorb animal protein, and animal protein is what one needs, as this is the

building blocks of life that cells live on.

I also feel that there is a more widespread problem to this in the family, as

small white spots that babies can sometimes have just after birth called MILIA.

Some say that they are CHOLESTEROL, but a specialist said they were cysts. Due

to having one of these appear in the nipple of my other breast, it had to be

excised (a painful process), but the result was that it was a simple cyst.

I have however looked these up and they contain keratin which is a protein.

These cysts become more harder to feel like there is more keratin in them. This

also happened while trying out Armour thyroid and the NAE, both of which are of

animal origin. Breast cancer can also start from calcium deposits.

My old GP also said that to test properly for calcium is a specialist job.

My present GP also said that vitamins were a waste of money, but whether there

could have been a reason for this, and that he wants to locate where the problem

is I don't know, but could have better knowledge tomorrow.

Talking to my nephew last night I ask what my Sister did about her joints as she

had untreated thyroid problem that went on to cause Diabetis. He told me that

she gathered seaweed up (as they live near the sea)and put it on her joints, and

even put it in her bath. This was an old fashioned way, but seaweed is kelp and

kelp is iodine, so I did ask if he could post me some, but no luck.

Do you know of anything with iodine or kelp that I can paste onto my joints, or

spray on before a shower.

I did buy a tonic with kelp in it once from H & B to take by mouth, but it caused

problems with my GP pointing out the kelp in it, so I have to wonder if it can

be used on skin like seaweed.

As a child they used a hot poultice for ones lungs, and these contained

different herbs, but not the side effects that antibiotics have. Why they

perhaps do not use them today is that it takes longer and more nursing care

which costs the NHS more.

Kathleen

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> Kathleen,

>

> First of all - what do Drs know about obscure symptoms such as we

> experience..................what you are experiencing is (in my opinion) as

> the result of a deficiency - thing is which one ...........

> but dont rely on conventional medicine to find it - i.e. NHS - I only found

> out what was wrong by the alternative route i.e. Dr P's of this world and

> vitamin and mineral testing.

>

> Bear this in mind - all illness is a deficiency of some sort

> ........................

>

> best wishes

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

you can also get different forms of calcium that are supposed to be mor

absorbable such as calcium citrate.

patrick holford writes a lot about this kind of thing i believe. there's also a

theory that it's a shortage of other nutritents like magnesium and potassium

that causes calcium not to be retained

chris

>

> HI

> My own feelings are that calcium is the problem, and I am not able to take

calcium carbonate. I do not know if I am correct, but one needs calcium to

absorb animal protein, and animal protein is what one needs, as this is the

building blocks of life that cells live on.

[Guest guest]

HI CHRIS

When I had an electrolyte problem, I was told that I was a difficult case, and

they gave me sodium and potassium to correct something else. Any ideas on what

was meant by this or what that something else was that they were using sodium

and potassium for to replace.

Kathleen

>

> you can also get different forms of calcium that are supposed to be mor

absorbable such as calcium citrate.

>

> patrick holford writes a lot about this kind of thing i believe. there's also

a theory that it's a shortage of other nutritents like magnesium and potassium

that causes calcium not to be retained

>

> chris

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen

sorry i don't know, not an expert i'm afraid. do you get enough magnesium too?

>

> HI CHRIS

> When I had an electrolyte problem, I was told that I was a difficult case, and

they gave me sodium and potassium to correct something else. Any ideas on what

was meant by this or what that something else was that they were using sodium

and potassium for to replace.

> Kathleen

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen,

Low sodium or potassium or both would be problematic and may indicate

'overhydration'...too much water or not enough 'salt' or excessive salt loss.

Sodium (chloride) should be conserved by the kidneys; if it isn't then the low

sodium that results can be dangerous (hyponatremia).

A recent paper showed that low sodium, even at the low end of what is usually

the so-say 'normal' range ~ can be hazardous ( heart problems ).

Getting both sodium and potassium back into the middle of the range would be a

priority in clinical management.

Low blood volume may require expansion of the volume with saline solution (plus

potassium).

Serious or prolonged hypokalemia (low potassium) may also require some magnesium

to be added to get the potassium back into the cells.

Undernourished children may have all that type of problem when being re-fed on a

nutritious diet, in that low magnesium may put them at immediate risk of cardiac

dysfunction.

Bob

(chemically trained: not medically qualified)

>

> HI CHRIS

> When I had an electrolyte problem, I was told that I was a difficult case, and

they gave me sodium and potassium to correct something else. Any ideas on what

was meant by this or what that something else was that they were using sodium

and potassium for to replace.

> Kathleen

>

[Guest guest]

HI BOB

At the time this happened I was being given lemonade (not diet) allowed to go

flat, and not only did this make me keep drinking it, but also to keep spending

pennies. I was also put on a small 5 day dose of antibiotic. I was also bound up

and did not eat for 3 weeks. They managed to get me to a stage where I did not

get up in the night, but as soon as medication was stopped I then had to start

getting up in the night. They did say that I flushed out sodium, and was advised

to limit what I drank.

I do not appear to want much salt, and in the past such as XMAS with salted

crisps and peanuts it has made me unwell. Doctors have prescribed sodium pills

for constipation and in turn it causes upset stomach.

I have even ask Doctors if it could be LIDDLES SYNDROME. I have in the past been

diagnosed as having a Duplex Kidney which they are now denying.

If the problem is in the kidney and causes me to flush out sodium any ideas as

to what could be happening to thyroxine, as I have already noted a worse problem

when prescibed ANHYDROUS THYROXINE.At the moment I am sticking with GOLDSHIELD

25MCG which is not ANHYDROUS SODIUM, but I do have two a day.

Chelsea and Westminster did say that they could give me something to stop me

spending pennies at night, but the side effects caused ones kidneys to stop

working, so I declined as anybody would.

Kathleen

>

> Hi Kathleen,

>

> Low sodium or potassium or both would be problematic and may indicate

'overhydration'...too much water or not enough 'salt' or excessive salt loss.

>

> Sodium (chloride) should be conserved by the kidneys; if it isn't then the low

sodium that results can be dangerous (hyponatremia).

> A recent paper showed that low sodium, even at the low end of what is usually

the so-say 'normal' range ~ can be hazardous ( heart problems ).

>

> Getting both sodium and potassium back into the middle of the range would be

a priority in clinical management.

>

> Low blood volume may require expansion of the volume with saline solution

(plus potassium).

>

> Serious or prolonged hypokalemia (low potassium) may also require some

magnesium to be added to get the potassium back into the cells.

>

> Undernourished children may have all that type of problem when being re-fed on

a nutritious diet, in that low magnesium may put them at immediate risk of

cardiac dysfunction.

>

>

> Bob

> (chemically trained: not medically qualified)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI CHRIS

I have tried taking magnesium citrate, but it did not improve things, but I am

now taking a small ammount of milk of magnesium (MAGNESIUM HYDROXIDE) for

constipation which was a favourite with our Mother.

Kathleen

>

> Hi Kathleen

>

> sorry i don't know, not an expert i'm afraid. do you get enough magnesium

too?

>