60 Minutes on MMR & Autism - my review

[Guest guest]

I have mixed feelings about the 60 minutes MMR story.

On the one hand they did a good job here:

1. Showing a family and video of their child before and after MMR -

devastating and really seemed to get to Ed Bradley

2. Showing the conference in San Diego and people standing who believe MMR

is the culprit (Rick Rollens at the podium!)

3. Wakefield - very clear, calm and decisive without appearing

radical (which he isn't). Also appeared more open minded than Katz and

concerned. He explained the situation extremely well - a complicated

subject to get across in a few minutes

4. Clearly showed the stupid British position of no separate vaccines allowed

5. Good footage of autistic children

On the other hand:

1. Too much time for Katz - but he did look a little fanatical to me and

not too open minded. He appeared threatened.

2. Didn't explore who got measles in the 1990 outbreak - were they

vaccinated or not?

3. Too many injections given throughout the show - there were over a dozen

video shots of children getting injected with the vaccine - horrifying to

many of us

4. Katz and others bad-mouthing Wakefield over and over - in my opinion

that made them look bad - Wakefield never mentioned them

5. 60 minutes accepting the statement from Merck that majority of LARGE

body of studies showed no connection - WHAT studies?? 60 minutes should

have questioned this more

6. 60 minutes accepting what was 's 'non-study' (didn't mention

's name)

7. Katz correlating autism with 'its just the age they get it' - give me a

break.

But generally I give it a good review - should have been longer and should

have been more intense questioning of Katz.

Thanks to Rick Rollens and all of those that I don't know that made this

happen. Hopefully it will get others questioning and open more dialogue.

Sheri

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

530-272-7306

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

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women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

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DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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[Guest guest]

What sickened me was that they did not present ANY studies of the proven

adverse effects that vaccines DO have, and they didn't mention the mercury

issue, that the smallest of children, if receiving all mecury containing

shots in one visit (as my son did in his 3 visits) that they could be

receiving 8 months worth of " safe " levels of mercury) in a single day, and

what impact this could have...also, that the effects of mercury on the

immune system HAVE NEVER BEEN STUDIED.

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>Subject: 60 Minutes on MMR & Autism - my review

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>

>I have mixed feelings about the 60 minutes MMR story.

>

>On the one hand they did a good job here:

>1. Showing a family and video of their child before and after MMR -

>devastating and really seemed to get to Ed Bradley

>2. Showing the conference in San Diego and people standing who believe MMR

>is the culprit (Rick Rollens at the podium!)

>3. Wakefield - very clear, calm and decisive without appearing

>radical (which he isn't). Also appeared more open minded than Katz and

>concerned. He explained the situation extremely well - a complicated

>subject to get across in a few minutes

>4. Clearly showed the stupid British position of no separate vaccines

>allowed

>5. Good footage of autistic children

>

>On the other hand:

>1. Too much time for Katz - but he did look a little fanatical to me and

>not too open minded. He appeared threatened.

>2. Didn't explore who got measles in the 1990 outbreak - were they

>vaccinated or not?

>3. Too many injections given throughout the show - there were over a dozen

>video shots of children getting injected with the vaccine - horrifying to

>many of us

>4. Katz and others bad-mouthing Wakefield over and over - in my opinion

>that made them look bad - Wakefield never mentioned them

>5. 60 minutes accepting the statement from Merck that majority of LARGE

>body of studies showed no connection - WHAT studies?? 60 minutes should

>have questioned this more

>6. 60 minutes accepting what was 's 'non-study' (didn't mention

>'s name)

>7. Katz correlating autism with 'its just the age they get it' - give me a

>break.

>

>But generally I give it a good review - should have been longer and should

>have been more intense questioning of Katz.

>Thanks to Rick Rollens and all of those that I don't know that made this

>happen. Hopefully it will get others questioning and open more dialogue.

>

>Sheri

>--------------------------------------------------------

>Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

>Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

>530-272-7306

>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

>women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

>

>ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

>DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

>Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

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[Guest guest]

At 08:37 AM 11/13/2000 -0800, you wrote:

>My dad watched the show (I missed it b/c we don't have cable and the

channel we

>normally get it on was showing the end of a football game). He called me

>afterwards to say that he hoped we were going to vaccinate out daughter! He

>thinks Wakefield is a quack. So that's just one response to the

show from

>someone who isn't well-read on the topic of vaccines. Don't worry - we had a

>really long talk when he called and he was starting to see some of my

points -

>like about the medical industry's " shenanigans " (his word), the

uselessness of the

>CP vaccine, the fact that we have made an infomed decision and not reacted

out of

>fear, etc. and we talked about many more issues as well. At least some of

this

>stuff is in his stream of consciousness, so he might be more open to

leanring more

>in the future. Of course he still thinks we should do it, but I told him

that

>it's all about taking responsibility, and we'd rather be responsible for any

>consequence of her not being vaccinated than for any consequence of her being

>vaccinated.

>

>

Yeah - the old guy looks legitimate and the young guy looks like a quack.

Glad your dad listened.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

530-272-7306

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

At 09:05 AM 11/13/2000 EST, you wrote:

>What sickened me was that they did not present ANY studies of the proven

>adverse effects that vaccines DO have, and they didn't mention the mercury

>issue, that the smallest of children, if receiving all mecury containing

>shots in one visit (as my son did in his 3 visits) that they could be

>receiving 8 months worth of " safe " levels of mercury) in a single day, and

>what impact this could have...also, that the effects of mercury on the

>immune system HAVE NEVER BEEN STUDIED.

>

>

>

Well, they really couldn't bring mercury into this show as MMR doesn't

contain mercury.

Mercury is another issue and could be what sets them up and when get MMR it

puts them over the edge - or does it on its own.

Still confusing.

That's another show for them.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

530-272-7306

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

I agree with Sheri's assessment of the show.

[Guest guest]

My dad watched the show (I missed it b/c we don't have cable and the channel we

normally get it on was showing the end of a football game). He called me

afterwards to say that he hoped we were going to vaccinate out daughter! He

thinks Wakefield is a quack. So that's just one response to the show

from

someone who isn't well-read on the topic of vaccines. Don't worry - we had a

really long talk when he called and he was starting to see some of my points -

like about the medical industry's " shenanigans " (his word), the uselessness of

the

CP vaccine, the fact that we have made an infomed decision and not reacted out

of

fear, etc. and we talked about many more issues as well. At least some of this

stuff is in his stream of consciousness, so he might be more open to leanring

more

in the future. Of course he still thinks we should do it, but I told him that

it's all about taking responsibility, and we'd rather be responsible for any

consequence of her not being vaccinated than for any consequence of her being

vaccinated.

Sheri Nakken wrote:

> I have mixed feelings about the 60 minutes MMR story.

>

> On the one hand they did a good job here:

> 1. Showing a family and video of their child before and after MMR -

> devastating and really seemed to get to Ed Bradley

> 2. Showing the conference in San Diego and people standing who believe MMR

> is the culprit (Rick Rollens at the podium!)

> 3. Wakefield - very clear, calm and decisive without appearing

> radical (which he isn't). Also appeared more open minded than Katz and

> concerned. He explained the situation extremely well - a complicated

> subject to get across in a few minutes

> 4. Clearly showed the stupid British position of no separate vaccines allowed

> 5. Good footage of autistic children

>

> On the other hand:

> 1. Too much time for Katz - but he did look a little fanatical to me and

> not too open minded. He appeared threatened.

> 2. Didn't explore who got measles in the 1990 outbreak - were they

> vaccinated or not?

> 3. Too many injections given throughout the show - there were over a dozen

> video shots of children getting injected with the vaccine - horrifying to

> many of us

> 4. Katz and others bad-mouthing Wakefield over and over - in my opinion

> that made them look bad - Wakefield never mentioned them

> 5. 60 minutes accepting the statement from Merck that majority of LARGE

> body of studies showed no connection - WHAT studies?? 60 minutes should

> have questioned this more

> 6. 60 minutes accepting what was 's 'non-study' (didn't mention

> 's name)

> 7. Katz correlating autism with 'its just the age they get it' - give me a

> break.

>

> But generally I give it a good review - should have been longer and should

> have been more intense questioning of Katz.

> Thanks to Rick Rollens and all of those that I don't know that made this

> happen. Hopefully it will get others questioning and open more dialogue.

>

> Sheri

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA

> 530-272-7306

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

> women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

>

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

[Guest guest]

At 07:23 AM 11/13/00 -0800, you wrote:

>At 09:05 AM 11/13/2000 EST, you wrote:

> >What sickened me was that they did not present ANY studies of the proven

> >adverse effects that vaccines DO have, and they didn't mention the mercury

> >issue, that the smallest of children, if receiving all mecury containing

> >shots in one visit (as my son did in his 3 visits) that they could be

> >receiving 8 months worth of " safe " levels of mercury) in a single day, and

> >what impact this could have...also, that the effects of mercury on the

> >immune system HAVE NEVER BEEN STUDIED.

> >

> >

> >

>

>Well, they really couldn't bring mercury into this show as MMR doesn't

>contain mercury.

>Mercury is another issue and could be what sets them up and when get MMR it

>puts them over the edge - or does it on its own.

>Still confusing.

>That's another show for them.

>Sheri

Did they mention that the rubella part of MMR is processed through human

diploid cells? When I tell that to people, it usually gives them

pause. (Mostly because the people I know are pro-life and the thought

really bothers them. Enough for them to think what is most important to them.)

Adrienne