OT: MS,Please Help if You have any info.

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hi all,

sorry for the OT post, i know there has been quite a few lately, but you are the only ones i know who can probably help me out.

a friend at work has a 25 year old sister who was diagnosed with MS this time last year after a month or so of numbness in her legs. she still has occassional problems in that area, but is doing pretty well all in all. she has been on a medication called Avenex (sp??). her doctors tell her that her MS is in remission and her lesions are shrinking. now, since i don't know anything about MS, i have no clue what this means.

BUT, 3 days ago, she went almost completely blind in one eye! she is pretty much "freaked" out and is stressing over the matter which i am sure is no help since i have heard that MS can be "aggravated" by stress. doctors tell her that the blindness is from the MS and probably permanent, but they had heard that it could be temporary.

so, i have two questions.

1. do any of you know about blindness related to MS?

2. what type of "alternative" treatments should be looking at? can a naturopath help her or a homeopath?? i already know that she will not abandon the meds she is currently taking, but there must be something to "complement" her current treatment.

if anyone has information on this it would be greatly appreciated.

thank you in advance.

tammy, mommy to noah (10/14/99) previously vaxed, but thanks to this list, will not be any longer!

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:07:46 -0500, you wrote:

>hi all,

>

>sorry for the OT post, i know there has been quite a few lately, but you are

the only ones i know who can probably help me out.

>

>a friend at work has a 25 year old sister who was diagnosed with MS this time

last year after a month or so of numbness in her legs. she still has

occassional problems in that area, but is doing pretty well all in all. she has

been on a medication called Avenex (sp??). her doctors tell her that her MS is

in remission and her lesions are shrinking. now, since i don't know anything

about MS, i have no clue what this means.

>

>BUT, 3 days ago, she went almost completely blind in one eye! she is pretty

much " freaked " out and is stressing over the matter which i am sure is no help

since i have heard that MS can be " aggravated " by stress. doctors tell her that

the blindness is from the MS and probably permanent, but they had heard that it

could be temporary.

>

>so, i have two questions.

>

>1. do any of you know about blindness related to MS?

>2. what type of " alternative " treatments should be looking at? can a

naturopath help her or a homeopath?? i already know that she will not abandon

the meds she is currently taking, but there must be something to " complement "

her current treatment.

>

>if anyone has information on this it would be greatly appreciated.

>

>thank you in advance.

>

>tammy, mommy to noah (10/14/99) previously vaxed, but thanks to this list, will

not be any longer!

Hello Tammy and All,

Of course, amalgam fillings, aspartame, and stress immediately come to mind.

There is a chat room for ms people at:

IRC Server: chat.morgan.net

Port: 6667

You will need a chat client like mIRC (mircle for Mac users), and there are

several other chat

clients available for free downloadable from the internet.

There are several articles on the net about ms, and I have saved several of

them.

A lot of ms patients are given prozac, and I would bet that avenex(sp?) is a

copycat drug.

Here is an interesting article that covers a whole host of auto-immune diseases:

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Immune Dysfunction and AIDS by Francis

AIDS is only one small part of the largest epidemic in history, the epidemic of

immune

dysfunction disease that is sweeping the planet. This pandemic is affecting not

only humans, but

marine mammals, birds, fish, frogs, etc. Because this epidemic doesn't yet have

a name, I call

it 20th Century Syndrome. The reason this epidemic is going unrecognized is that

we give it a

variety of conflicting and confusing names including: AIDS, allergies, asthma,

arthritis,

chronic fatigue, chemical sensitivities, chronic herpes, chronic hepatitis,

eczema, Grave's

Disease, lupus, migraine, multiple sclerosis, scleroderma, Sjogren's Syndrome,

and other immune

dysfunction diseases.

Immune dysfunction syndromes are complex. They affect every system in the body,

and have no

single cause. They result from a combination of factors including poor

nutrition, toxic

overload, chronic distress, and antigenic overload. An antigen is something to

which the immune

system reacts by producing antibodies. Antigenic overload results from our

excessive exposures

to organisms such as bacteria, viruses, yeasts, molds, and others. Overload also

results from

constant exposure to allergens, blood products like transfusions and clotting

factor, and

vaccinations.

Conventional wisdom says that a virus called HIV causes AIDS. To say the least,

this is highly

unlikely. First of all, no one has ever offered scientific proof that HIV causes

AIDS. But most

importantly, viruses don't cause disease! There are " disease causing " viruses

living in our

bodies every day of our lives. If viruses were the cause of disease, we would

all be dead. This

is not saying that viruses don't participate in a disease process, but

infections are an effect

of disease not the cause. This is an important distinction. Infections occur

when we become

dis-eased and damage the natural balance between the microbes and us. Dis-ease

comes first,

infections second. So, what causes AIDS? How are we upsetting that natural

balance?

Here are some of the factors: Historically, man seldom ventured far from the

place where he was

born. People were exposed to a population of viruses within a small geographic

area. Now, we can

be exposed to viruses from around the world in a matter of weeks. This results

in a viral load

not experienced by our ancestors. Kary Mullis, the 1993 Nobel Laureate in

Chemistry, said that,

" The immune system took twenty million years to develop. It was never developed

to handle the

extreme situation of bathhouse exposures. " It is a fact that AIDS risk groups

test positive for

more different kinds of antibodies than the general population.

Is this antigenic load meaningful? Studies published in Science and other

journals show that our

immune systems are able to regulate viruses whose number and diversity is below

a certain value,

but unable to stop the growth once this value is exceeded. Repeated chronic

immune responses to

foreign antigens can overload our immune systems to the point where we develop

infections

because the immune system is too overworked.

Toxins such as heavy metals, industrial chemicals, excessive alcohol,

pesticides, prescription

drugs, and recreational drugs can damage immune function, and make us more

susceptible to

infection. In AIDS, prescription and recreational drugs, including antibiotics,

AZT, cocaine,

heroin, and nitrite inhalants, are critical contributors to toxic overload.

Combine antigenic overload with toxic overload, poor nutrition, lack of

exercise, erratic sleep

patterns, and chronic stress, and you have a recipe for serious immune

suppression. The

combination of these factors compromises normal cell function. Once a

significant number of

cells have been impaired, this creates molecular havoc and systems feedback and

control are

lost. This precipitates a cascade of events resulting in failure of the body's

self regulating

systems, including the immune system.

When immunity is compromised, infections develop. To treat these infections,

doctors prescribe

immune-damaging antibiotics. Most physicians still believe in the outmoded

concept that germs

cause disease, so they try to kill the germs. The need to rebuild immune

competence never occurs

to them. However, to prevent or reverse AIDS, it is necessary to maintain or to

rebuild immune

competence.

Rebuilding immune competence, requires rebuilding digestive competence. Numerous

studies observe

that the opportunistic infections we see in people with AIDS are very similar to

those seen in

nutritionally deficient animals. This happens because, in people with AIDS and

other immune

dysfunction diseases, there is a striking incidence of digestive malfunction.

Digestion is

impaired, and food doesn't get properly broken down into its elemental building

blocks - the raw

materials out of which the body builds, repairs, protects, and produces energy.

Treatment with antibiotics is a leading cause of digestive malfunction.

Antibiotics do more than

just kill " bad bugs, " they also kill " good bugs. " Even one treatment with

antibiotics can

initiate a cascade of events capable of enormous damage to immune function. The

abnormal gut

flora resulting from antibiotic treatment inhibits proper digestion and

assimilation of food,

causing malnutrition. Undigested food results in putrefaction, which produces

toxins. These

toxins damage the immune system. Once normal gut ecology is altered, this

provides opportunity

for yeast, fungal, bacterial, and parasitic infections. These do further damage

to gut tissue,

add to antigenic overload, and place new burdens on an already overtaxed immune

system

Partially digested food remnants, resulting from impaired digestion, are capable

of functioning

as antigens and causing immune reactions. When intestinal permeability is

increased, due to

damaged gut tissue, these food remnants can gain access to our blood system. In

the blood, the

remnants can precipitate food allergies, contributing to antigenic overload, and

further

increasing gut permeability. Increased permeability can precipitate autoimmune

diseases by

allowing gut bacteria access to the blood system and causing the formation of

cross reactive

antibodies, thus further damaging the immune system. The resulting antigenic

overload is capable

of inhibiting antibody formation and proper functioning of our disease-fighting

immune cells.

When digestion is substantially impaired, and remains uncorrected, people will

waste away and

become more susceptible to opportunistic infections. This is very common in

people with AIDS.

Chronic stress is another contributor to digestive incompetence. The hormones

produced when we

put stress on ourselves can be very destructive to the body if the stress is

chronic. Stress

hormones inhibit daily repairs in our digestive system, ultimately causing this

system to

seriously malfunction. Chronic stress depletes the body's resources, reduces its

ability to

adapt, and suppresses immune function.

In conclusion, AIDS is a many factored disease caused by a combination of

inappropriate

lifestyle, toxic overload, antigenic overload, poor diets, chronic stress, and

common medical

treatments with health-damaging drugs like antibiotics. All the above conspire

in a cascade of

events to cause what we call AIDS. The same factors that contribute to AIDS

contribute to other

immune dysfunction diseases as well.

What to do? Limit exposure to " disease causing " organisms. Don't volunteer for

vaccinations.

Learn how to eat a good whole-food diet. Eat lots of fresh, organic vegetables,

beans, fruits,

and grains. Avoid white flour, white rice, sugar, salt, and hydrogenated oils.

People with AIDS

must consume mega-amounts of nutrients. Minimize antigenic load by identifying

allergens and

avoiding allergic reactions as much as possible. Take superior nutritional

supplements like the

PerqueTM brand. Exercise daily. Get as much exercise as possible. Avoid toxins -

this means

avoiding meat, dairy, alcohol, recreational drugs, pesticides, prescription

drugs, gasoline

fumes, solvents, food additives, and so forth. Practice some stress reduction

technique daily.

Rebuilding immune competence is much more difficult than maintaining it. That's

why

super-nutrition is essential. Studies published in Clinical Chemistry and other

journals clearly

link nutritional status to the prognosis and mortality of AIDS. Eat only fresh,

organic foods.

Keep a healthy attitude and avoid negative people and stimuli. It has been shown

that just

watching an upbeat movie a patient finds encouraging improved immune function

from several days

to several weeks. Digestive competence must be rebuilt. Eliminate parasites.

Take digestive

enzymes to improve digestion.

Since there are only two causes of disease - deficiency and toxicity - if you

provide your cells

with all the nutrients they need while, at the same time, reducing their toxic

load, you can't

go wrong. This is the basis for preventing and reversing all disease, and the

path taken by all

the long-term AIDS survivors I know of.

Francis is an M.I.T.-trained scientist and an internationally recognized

leader in the

emerging field of optimal health maintenance. For information call 415-459-2050

Copyright 1998, Francis BEYOND HEALTH

News

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db

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And of course, I would tell her to see a classical homeopath.

Did she get a vaccine recently?

Sheri

At 10:23 PM 12/13/2000 -0600, you wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:07:46 -0500, you wrote:

>

>>hi all,

>>

>>sorry for the OT post, i know there has been quite a few lately, but you

are the only ones i know who can probably help me out.

>>

>>a friend at work has a 25 year old sister who was diagnosed with MS this

time last year after a month or so of numbness in her legs. she still has

occassional problems in that area, but is doing pretty well all in all.

she has been on a medication called Avenex (sp??). her doctors tell her

that her MS is in remission and her lesions are shrinking. now, since i

don't know anything about MS, i have no clue what this means.

>>

>>BUT, 3 days ago, she went almost completely blind in one eye! she is

pretty much " freaked " out and is stressing over the matter which i am sure

is no help since i have heard that MS can be " aggravated " by stress.

doctors tell her that the blindness is from the MS and probably permanent,

but they had heard that it could be temporary.

>>

>>so, i have two questions.

>>

>>1. do any of you know about blindness related to MS?

>>2. what type of " alternative " treatments should be looking at? can a

naturopath help her or a homeopath?? i already know that she will not

abandon the meds she is currently taking, but there must be something to

" complement " her current treatment.

>>

>>if anyone has information on this it would be greatly appreciated.

>>

>>thank you in advance.

>>

>>tammy, mommy to noah (10/14/99) previously vaxed, but thanks to this

list, will not be any longer!

>

>Hello Tammy and All,

>

>Of course, amalgam fillings, aspartame, and stress immediately come to mind.

>

>There is a chat room for ms people at:

>IRC Server: chat.morgan.net

>Port: 6667

>You will need a chat client like mIRC (mircle for Mac users), and there

are several other chat

>clients available for free downloadable from the internet.

>There are several articles on the net about ms, and I have saved several

of them.

>A lot of ms patients are given prozac, and I would bet that avenex(sp?) is

a copycat drug.

>Here is an interesting article that covers a whole host of auto-immune

diseases:

>***********Begin cut/copy/paste*********

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