Trazadone

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In a message dated 10/27/00 5:43:39 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

wb4@... writes:

<< The only information I remember is that Trazadone is often augmented with

other anti-depressants to help the patient relax at bedtime. My 11 yr has

been on 100mg zoloft for ocd and trazadone each night to help sleep for 1.5

years.

>>

I tried Trazadone for my 12 yr old, but it made her agitated and she even had

a harder time getting to sleep, so I had to discontinue it. The best thing

so far that I have found for getting her to sleep at night is when she was

switched to taking all her zoloft (200mg) in the morning and none at night.

Jay in Colorado

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Which only goes to prove that each of us is an individual and what works for

one, may not work for another!!

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>wb4@... writes:

><< The only information I remember is that Trazadone is often augmented

>with other anti-depressants to help the patient relax at bedtime. My 11 yr

>has been on 100mg zoloft for ocd and trazadone each night to help sleep for

>1.5 years.

> >>

>>I tried Trazadone for my 12 yr old, but it made her agitated and she even

>>had a harder time getting to sleep, so I had to discontinue it. The best

>>thing so far that I have found for getting her to sleep at night is when

>>she was switched to taking all her zoloft (200mg) in the morning and none

>>at night.

>Jay in Colorado

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Dear ;

Phew! Sure glad you got off that stuff. Our reactions are so individual. A

reminder to us all how careful we have to be- as if we needed it! Watch out

for rebound.

Peace,

Adrienne

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In a message dated 5/14/01 4:51:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

foxhillers@... writes:

> My rheumatologist recommended SAM-e supplement for me to increase

>

That Guru doc Dr. Hedaya had me try SAM-e and it didn't work for me either.

In his book he has a chapter on mimics. I just emailed him last night and

told that frustration is a mimic of depression and that they are not the

same. I don't think many docs realize this. But this is only my own theory

b/c I know myself better than the docs and know if I was depressed I would

probably have reacted positively to at least one of the now 6 antidepressants

I've tried.

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My rheumatologist recommended SAM-e supplement for me to increase

serotonin since the SSRIs were bad news for me. What a difference

SAM-e has made for me. I sleep soundly and deeply now and awaken

clear headed. Good sleep has led to improvement in all my symptoms.

Good luck

MJH

> Well, I told you folks how my new neurologist doc I saw on May 3rd

wanted me

> to try Trazadone b/c he thought I was seretonin deficient, even

though I had

> tried many seretonergic meds in the past. His reasoning was that

it might

> give me a deeper more fulfilling sleep and therefore help my

fatigue. Well,

> since I began I became more fatigued than I had been in a long time

and this

> fatigue caused more frustration. Ironically, even though it is an

> antidepressant I found myself thinking about suicide last night and

I got

> furious with myself and decided I was not going to continue on my

nightly

> dose of Trazadone and end the experiment as of Fri night (the last

night I

> took it). So for me, Trazadone didn't work and in fact made me

more tired

> and frustrated.

> -

>

>

>

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Hey I have been through the antidepressant merry go round myself.

Neither tricyclics or SSRI's help me. Have you ever tried an MAOI? Yes they

are a pain to take with their dietary restrictions. But, they are only thing

that ever helped me in past (other than IV antibiotics- but that's because I

have Lyme).

Unfortunately, I no longer have it, but a psychiatrist on a Lyme list I was

on a couple years ago felt that MAOI's were the BEST choice for CFS

patients...he was hypothesizing extrapolating to Lyme patients.

I took Nardil for about 4-5 years and found the help with the depression

outweighed the dietary concerns. This was before I knew I had Lyme.

SO....you may want to consider them.

Right now my personal plan is to go back on IV and see if I can break this

depression. If not, will be asking for MAOI's when I see psychiatrist on

25th.

I'll hold on if you will <g>

tansy

> Re: Re: Trazadone

>

>

> In a message dated 5/14/01 4:51:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> foxhillers@... writes:

>

>

> > My rheumatologist recommended SAM-e supplement for me to increase

> >

>

> That Guru doc Dr. Hedaya had me try SAM-e and it didn't work

> for me either.

> In his book he has a chapter on mimics. I just emailed him

> last night and

> told that frustration is a mimic of depression and that they

> are not the

> same. I don't think many docs realize this. But this is

> only my own theory

> b/c I know myself better than the docs and know if I was

> depressed I would

> probably have reacted positively to at least one of the now 6

> antidepressants

> I've tried.

>

>

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I tried Trazodone for about a month, at a low dose to help me

sleep. It helped me sleep more heavily, but it was wakened, I still

had problems going back to sleep.

I think it may have helped my serotonin levels, but when I missed it

one day, I was more agitated and angry than I can remember being

before. I'm more level without it, I think.

It also appears to be the culprit for some substantial hair loss,

which stopped a week or so after I quit Trazodone.

Currently, I'm herxing myself to sleep, which works really well, but

when that stops, I'm not sure what I'll do - warm milk?

Laurie L.

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Medication-induced alopecia is an occasional side effect of many

psychopharmaceuticals. Most of the mood stabilizer and

antidepressant drugs can lead to this condition. Some antipsychotic

and antianxiety agents induce alopecia. Hair loss is also related to

hypothyroidism, which can be induced by lithium and other agents.

Alopecia might not be reported by some people, but physicians should

be aware of this potential problem which may contribute to

noncompliance. Lithium causes hair loss in 12-19% of long-term

users. Valproic acid and/ or divalproex precipitates alopecia in up

to 12% of patients in a dose-dependent relationship. Incidences up

to 28% are observed with high valproate concentration exposures.

These pharmaceuticals also can change hair color and structure. The

occurrence of carbamazepine-induced alopecia is at or below 6%. Hair

loss is less common with other mood stabilizers. Tricyclic

antidepressants, maprotilene, trazodone, and virtually all the new

generation of antidepressants may on rare occasions lead to

alopecia. The same applies to haloperidol, olanzepine, risperidone,

clonazepam, and buspirone, but not to other neuroleptics,

benzodiazepines, or barbiturates, selected antihistamines, and

antiparkinsonians. Discontinuation of the medication or dose

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,

I can agree 100% with your observations regarding Trazadone

Hydrochloride since even the low dose of 150mg per day used when I first

started hit me like a sledge hammer. It literally took almost 24 hours

before the initial hangover effect disappeared, just in time for the next

dose! In addition, the problems of blurred vision, dry mouth and

constipation rapidly followed giving the impression that I was going down

hill rapidly, especially as these were some of my CFS symptoms.

Perhaps my experiences may be similar to yours where the Doctor

concerned was convinced that my problem was that of depression and decided

to ignore the infectious viral trigger, rapid onset, and failed to pursue

any tests such as blood tests etc. It appears that Tricyclic antidepressants

are cheap, easy to obtain, and give the impression that you believe that

you will get better by some magical method!

As stated before, I believe it's so important to have formal

tests following an Virally Triggered Acute Onset CFS to prove exactly what

the problem may be, and regard depression as a result of being ill, rather

than being ill because of depression.

Regards,

Andy Porter

Trazadone

> In a message dated 12/14/01 5:29:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> writes:

>

>

> > As you can appreciate, my reasons for this message is simply that I

> > have been treated with Trazodone Hydrochloride for my CFS and discovered

> > these side effects the hard way.

> >

>

> I tried trazadone after this altnerative minded neurolgist thought heavily

> that I was seretonin deficient. Problem was before ever researching CFS I

> researched depression as a cause of my problems and tried very many

> pysychotropic drugs. I rate trazadone as one of the worst in that I got

very

> pissed off and angry being on it and that was only small dose.

> -

>

>

>

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I'm interested that so many CFIDS people had bad reactions to trazadone - it

seems to be prescribed all the time and recommended a lot for us. I, too,

had a horrible reaction to it - made me incredibly dizzy and I could barely

walk. I was bruised from banging into things. I had an even worse reaction

to serzone, which is in the same class as trazadone - I had such a bad

reaction I ended up calling 911. It was the worst drug reaction I have ever

had. So be careful to those who have had trazadone issues - DON'T try

serzone.

Peggy

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I tried Trazadone (Brand name Desyrel here in Canada) this past

summer for sleep but because I started at too high of a dose (100mg)

I could no longer tolerate it after one week. I was very dizzy and

lightheaded so I discontinued.

So my doc and I decided to try it again this past month, but this

time I started at 25mg for one week and gradually increased to 100mg

over the course of a month. Now I'm fine on it. I still wake up at 3

am but can't lift my head off the pillow so I'm forced to go back to

sleep.

My doc also told me that there is a BIG difference between Trazadone

generic, and trade name Desyrel, more " anger " and bad side effects

with the generic.

- In @y..., jseaton357@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/14/01 5:29:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> @y... writes:

>

>

> > As you can appreciate, my reasons for this message is simply

that I

> > have been treated with Trazodone Hydrochloride for my CFS and

discovered

> > these side effects the hard way.

> >

>

> I tried trazadone after this altnerative minded neurolgist thought

heavily

> that I was seretonin deficient. Problem was before ever

researching CFS I

> researched depression as a cause of my problems and tried very many

> pysychotropic drugs. I rate trazadone as one of the worst in that

I got very

> pissed off and angry being on it and that was only small dose.

> -

>

>

>

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I have Fibromyalgia and had difficulty going to and staying asleep so my Dr

prescribed Trazadone. Although it may not be addictive I started at 75mg

and for years that was sufficient, however I now require 150mg and there are

times is doesn't work for a couple of days, then it works again, a friend of

mine has had the same experience. In addition although it may not be

physically additive I find if I go away and forget it I absolutely cannot

get to sleep so it may be mentally addictive.

Meryl

4. Fwd: trazodone for sleep

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