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Hi Cam,

We are in BC and saw the BMT specialist the other day (she was

fantastic) We may have to also consider BMT as my husband has a

translocation of 3 chromosomes and may be only partially responding

but there are many things to take into consideration. His brother is

being tested as a donor next week so we have all our ducks lined up if

need be. So your counts have dropped - but what is your PCR? I am sure

you are frustrated with everything right now- there seems to be no

reason your neutrophils should be down as well as platelets...let us

know how it goes..

shalyn

> Hello all,

>

> I have been off Gleevec for more than 2 months because my neutrophil

> and platelet counts

> have been dangerously low. I have had two platelet transfusions and

> my counts do not seem

> to be improving. I'm sure more transfusions are coming my way. My

> doctor is considering

> getting me on Interferon or going back up to the cancer clinic in

> Calgary to talk to the BMT

> doctors again. Is there anyone out there who had to go off Gleevec?

> What were your options?

> Did any of you choose the BMT? I would appreciate advice from anyone.

>

> Cam

>

>

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At 05:33 PM 12/3/06 -0800, you wrote:

>What is dasatanib? And what is log reduction? And BMS? Don't know the

>lingo yet!

>

>I'm new, been on gleevec only 5 wks, lotsa side effects..some days I think

>I'm doing pretty good, other days are awful!

>

>Margaret

Hi Margaret,

The 2nd CML drug that is now approved is made by BMS (Bristol

Meyers-Squibb)......the scientific name is dasatinib.....trade name is

Sprycel. So, all of these relate to one drug....which is a 2nd generation

drug developed after Gleevec.

When you get a PCR value......it is a number, maybe like 2.4

When you have a one log reduction in this value (which represents how many

leukemia cells you have) the number is reduced to 0.24..............

a 2-log reduction is 0.024..............a 3-log reduction is 0.0024

The goal is to reach a 3-log reduction, as the chance of relapse is almost

nil then.

A log is 10X.......so you just move the decimal point one place, for an

increase or a decrease.

Let the list know about your side effects and someone might have a

suggestion. It takes a bit to stabilize on the drug and usually the side

effects get less over time.

C.

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Thanks, for the information.

My diagnosis was made with the fish blood test 2 months ago. I'll have a bone

marrow in 5 more months. On 600 mg gleevec which reduced my w. blood count from

128,000 to 9,000 in 3 weeks.

Side effects are numerous but bone/muscle pain, nasaua, fatigue, fluid

retention in my face, muscle cramps, bleury vision are the worse. it seems like

one is quickly replaced by another and they can change every day. As example,

nasaua was a real problem but by the time I got a script from the doc it went

away. It seems almost like a variety of " phantom symptoms " which makes me feel

like a hypochondriac.

Davocette works best for bone pain and I take about 5 - 6 a week, no more than

one a day...also take 2 Aleve daily. I'm working mornings but usually spend the

afternoons and evenings napping.

There's been major diet change. I have to eat starchy food when I take gleevec

so am using a number of food supplements because I can't eat many green veggies,

fruit or protein anymore.

I guess all this gets to be too much and I feel depressed because I can't seem

to get a handle on everything. One of the things I hate the most is seemingly

having to define who I am by the side effect of the day!

Sorry for the long email but I've learned more from this group than I ever did

from my oncologist (who I've only seen 2 times) and I end up instructing my

primary care physician about CML and gleevec from what I've learned from this

group...so if anyone would like to comment, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

Margaret

Cogan <ncogan@...> wrote:

At 05:33 PM 12/3/06 -0800, you wrote:

>What is dasatanib? And what is log reduction? And BMS? Don't know the

>lingo yet!

>

>I'm new, been on gleevec only 5 wks, lotsa side effects..some days I think

>I'm doing pretty good, other days are awful!

>

>Margaret

Hi Margaret,

The 2nd CML drug that is now approved is made by BMS (Bristol

Meyers-Squibb)......the scientific name is dasatinib.....trade name is

Sprycel. So, all of these relate to one drug....which is a 2nd generation

drug developed after Gleevec.

When you get a PCR value......it is a number, maybe like 2.4

When you have a one log reduction in this value (which represents how many

leukemia cells you have) the number is reduced to 0.24..............

a 2-log reduction is 0.024..............a 3-log reduction is 0.0024

The goal is to reach a 3-log reduction, as the chance of relapse is almost

nil then.

A log is 10X.......so you just move the decimal point one place, for an

increase or a decrease.

Let the list know about your side effects and someone might have a

suggestion. It takes a bit to stabilize on the drug and usually the side

effects get less over time.

C.

Margaret ,

mpraymond@...

margaret-raymond@...

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I looked up my beginning meds,first let me say I was diagnosed from the Texas

cancer research in Harlington Tx.I was a winter texan. 800 gleevec 500

hydroxyurea both are to kill off bad wc,and a by product is gout 300 mg

allopurinol takes care of that. Also it was the cheapest med. I was monitored

every week .I came down from 154000 wc to 40000 in 2 weeks.But a lot of side

affects ,those 2 weeks. Tn.

Hope this helps Margaret

RE: [ ] What are my options?

Thanks, for the information.

My diagnosis was made with the fish blood test 2 months ago. I'll have a bone

marrow in 5 more months. On 600 mg gleevec which reduced my w. blood count from

128,000 to 9,000 in 3 weeks.

Side effects are numerous but bone/muscle pain, nasaua, fatigue, fluid retention

in my face, muscle cramps, bleury vision are the worse. it seems like one is

quickly replaced by another and they can change every day. As example, nasaua

was a real problem but by the time I got a script from the doc it went away. It

seems almost like a variety of " phantom symptoms " which makes me feel like a

hypochondriac.

Davocette works best for bone pain and I take about 5 - 6 a week, no more than

one a day...also take 2 Aleve daily. I'm working mornings but usually spend the

afternoons and evenings napping.

There's been major diet change. I have to eat starchy food when I take gleevec

so am using a number of food supplements because I can't eat many green veggies,

fruit or protein anymore.

I guess all this gets to be too much and I feel depressed because I can't seem

to get a handle on everything. One of the things I hate the most is seemingly

having to define who I am by the side effect of the day!

Sorry for the long email but I've learned more from this group than I ever did

from my oncologist (who I've only seen 2 times) and I end up instructing my

primary care physician about CML and gleevec from what I've learned from this

group...so if anyone would like to comment, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

Margaret

Cogan <ncoganuoregon (DOT) edu> wrote:

At 05:33 PM 12/3/06 -0800, you wrote:

>What is dasatanib? And what is log reduction? And BMS? Don't know the

>lingo yet!

>

>I'm new, been on gleevec only 5 wks, lotsa side effects..some days I think

>I'm doing pretty good, other days are awful!

>

>Margaret

Hi Margaret,

The 2nd CML drug that is now approved is made by BMS (Bristol

Meyers-Squibb) ......the scientific name is dasatinib... ..trade name is

Sprycel. So, all of these relate to one drug....which is a 2nd generation

drug developed after Gleevec.

When you get a PCR value......it is a number, maybe like 2.4

When you have a one log reduction in this value (which represents how many

leukemia cells you have) the number is reduced to 0.24........ ......

a 2-log reduction is 0.024....... .......a 3-log reduction is 0.0024

The goal is to reach a 3-log reduction, as the chance of relapse is almost

nil then.

A log is 10X.......so you just move the decimal point one place, for an

increase or a decrease.

Let the list know about your side effects and someone might have a

suggestion. It takes a bit to stabilize on the drug and usually the side

effects get less over time.

C.

Margaret ,

mpraymond@sbcglobal .net

margaret-raymond@ cherokee. org

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Dear,: (from sunny London)

I am worried to hear that you are having alot of shortness of breath.

I was on Gleevec from June of 2001 to Oct 2006. For the last 6 to 9

months I had alot of shortness of breath also, I did my best to just

ignore it, but I remembered hearing the Gleevec ( as well as other new

leukemia drugs) have been linked to heart damage, they are calling it

(CHF- congestive heart failure). Well I mentioned to my Onc, that I

have heard of this study then I told him that I had been having

shortness of breath. He did an office exam, but found no signs of CHF,

but he said that to be sure, he would do a (echo- ultra sound on the

heart). That test showed that indeed I have CHF and they did surgery

right away and installed a defibrillator. My heart feels better but we

stoped all meds for the leukemia. My last fish test showed that Im no

longer a member of Zavie's Zero club, but we are still not sure what to

do next. Dr. Weeks is checking on that and I see him again soon. Anyway

what Im trying to say is that you are right to be worried about the

shortness of breath, maybe think about getting the echo test on your

heart.

Best wishes to the group.

TTFN.

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At 05:12 AM 12/4/06 -0800, you wrote:

>Thanks, for the information.

>

>My diagnosis was made with the fish blood test 2 months ago. I'll have a

>bone marrow in 5 more months. On 600 mg gleevec which reduced my w. blood

>count from 128,000 to 9,000 in 3 weeks.

That is showing a good response. You have mostly leukemia white cells and

the drug is killing them off quickly.

>Side effects are numerous but bone/muscle pain, nasaua, fatigue, fluid

>retention in my face, muscle cramps, bleury vision are the worse. it seems

>like one is quickly replaced by another and they can change every day. As

>example, nasaua was a real problem but by the time I got a script from the

>doc it went away. It seems almost like a variety of " phantom symptoms "

>which makes me feel like a hypochondriac.

Bone and muscle pain in typical and is thought to be because leukemia cells

are being killed off. Fatigue is typical....many find they need to pace

themselves and even nap. Blurry vision can be from some edema (excess tear

formation). You might ask your doctor about trying a mild diuretic like

diazide as needed. I think the side effects are more acceptable when you

realize that you are on a drug (that is causing them) that is killing off

your leukemia cells.

>Davocette works best for bone pain and I take about 5 - 6 a week, no more

>than one a day...also take 2 Aleve daily. I'm working mornings but usually

>spend the afternoons and evenings napping.

OHSU/Dr. Druker do say that some people need drugs for the bone pain

initially....for most, this gets better over time.

>There's been major diet change. I have to eat starchy food when I take

>gleevec so am using a number of food supplements because I can't eat many

>green veggies, fruit or protein anymore.

Are you taking Gleevec at one or two meals? I always needed more food when

I took my Gleevec....but the rest of the day, I could eat healthy.

>I guess all this gets to be too much and I feel depressed because I can't

>seem to get a handle on everything. One of the things I hate the most is

>seemingly having to define who I am by the side effect of the day!

Having cancer to deal with means losing some control......that can be hard

for many of us. But how you feel about this and the attitude you

have.....that's up to you. When you are feeling negative, try to turn it

around to another perspective and try to see something

positive.........like, " I am really lucky to have this drug " ......monitor

your self-talk and practice some positive affirmations.

If you wonder where my crazy ideas come from, I was a physical therapist

for 30 years. If you focus on the negative, you will feel

negative.......you can just as easily (almost always) find something

positive to focus on. That's my 2-cents on all this stuff.

C.

>Sorry for the long email but I've learned more from this group than I ever

>did from my oncologist (who I've only seen 2 times) and I end up

>instructing my primary care physician about CML and gleevec from what I've

>learned from this group...so if anyone would like to comment, I'd

>appreciate it.

>Thanks,

>Margaret

>

> Cogan <<mailto:ncogan@...>ncogan@...> wrote:

>At 05:33 PM 12/3/06 -0800, you wrote:

>

> >What is dasatanib? And what is log reduction? And BMS? Don't know the

> >lingo yet!

> >

> >I'm new, been on gleevec only 5 wks, lotsa side effects..some days I think

> >I'm doing pretty good, other days are awful!

> >

> >Margaret

>

>Hi Margaret,

>

>The 2nd CML drug that is now approved is made by BMS (Bristol

>Meyers-Squibb)......the scientific name is dasatinib.....trade name is

>Sprycel. So, all of these relate to one drug....which is a 2nd generation

>drug developed after Gleevec.

>

>When you get a PCR value......it is a number, maybe like 2.4

>When you have a one log reduction in this value (which represents how many

>leukemia cells you have) the number is reduced to 0.24..............

>a 2-log reduction is 0.024..............a 3-log reduction is 0.0024

>The goal is to reach a 3-log reduction, as the chance of relapse is almost

>nil then.

>A log is 10X.......so you just move the decimal point one place, for an

>increase or a decrease.

>

>Let the list know about your side effects and someone might have a

>suggestion. It takes a bit to stabilize on the drug and usually the side

>effects get less over time.

>

> C.

>

>Margaret ,

><mailto:mpraymond@...>mpraymond@...

><mailto:margaret-raymond@...>margaret-raymond@...

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi ,

Once you get a number in the Zero Club, it is a lifetime membership.

So, #1007 remains your number. Some patients will drop out and come

back to Zero. Also, if you use the most accurate PCR test available,

you will always find some pH+ cells.

I was surprised to hear that they installed a defibrillator right

away. When I was diagnosed with CHF as the direct result of taking

Interferon all they did was put me on an ACE inhibitor. That was 7

years ago. Maybe they do things differently today. My EF runs around

25%.

I started Gleevec in March 2001 and have been on 400 mg ever since.

It troubles me that you are not on any CML medication at all.

Perhaps a consultation with the people at OHSU will get you on some

medication for your CML.

CHF is a well known side effect of Interferon. CHF is a very rare

side effect of Gleevec.

Zavie

Zavie (age 68)

67 Shoreham Avenue

Ottawa, Canada, dxd AUG/99

INF OCT/99 to FEB/00, CHF

No meds FEB/00 to JAN/01

Gleevec since MAR/27/01 (400 mg)

CCR SEP/01. #102 in Zero Club

PCRU 5/02 at RVH (Questionable)

2.8 log reduction Sep/05

3.0 log reduction Jan/06

e-mail: zmiller@...

Tel: 613-726-1117

Fax: 309-296-0807

Cell: 613-202-0204

ID: zaviem

>

>

> Dear,: (from sunny London)

>

> I am worried to hear that you are having alot of shortness of

breath.

> I was on Gleevec from June of 2001 to Oct 2006. For the last 6 to 9

> months I had alot of shortness of breath also, I did my best to

just

> ignore it, but I remembered hearing the Gleevec ( as well as other

new

> leukemia drugs) have been linked to heart damage, they are calling

it

> (CHF- congestive heart failure). Well I mentioned to my Onc, that I

> have heard of this study then I told him that I had been having

> shortness of breath. He did an office exam, but found no signs of

CHF,

> but he said that to be sure, he would do a (echo- ultra sound on

the

> heart). That test showed that indeed I have CHF and they did

surgery

> right away and installed a defibrillator. My heart feels better

but we

> stoped all meds for the leukemia. My last fish test showed that Im

no

> longer a member of Zavie's Zero club, but we are still not sure

what to

> do next. Dr. Weeks is checking on that and I see him again soon.

Anyway

> what Im trying to say is that you are right to be worried about the

> shortness of breath, maybe think about getting the echo test on

your

> heart.

> Best wishes to the group.

> TTFN.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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While I agree that anyone with shortness of breath should pursue

heart testing, I want to reassure you that just because you have

this symptom, doesn't mean you have CHF.

I had shortness of breath to the point where I was panting

vigorously after just bending down to tie my shoes and it turned out

to be nothing.

This was long before there were reports of Gleevec causing CHF but I

had it checked anyway since it was severely impacting my life at the

time. I had a variety of tests done including stress tests, echos,

xrays, holter monitors and lung function tests. Everything showed

my heart to be in terrific shape.

I guess the point of all this is to say that yes, I think everyone

who has shortness of breath, should have it evaluated, but on that

same note, don't panic before you have to because it could be

nothing.

Tracey

dx Jan 2002

>

>

> Dear,: (from sunny London)

>

> I am worried to hear that you are having alot of shortness of

breath.

> I was on Gleevec from June of 2001 to Oct 2006. For the last 6 to 9

> months I had alot of shortness of breath also, I did my best to

just

> ignore it, but I remembered hearing the Gleevec ( as well as other

new

> leukemia drugs) have been linked to heart damage, they are calling

it

> (CHF- congestive heart failure). Well I mentioned to my Onc, that I

> have heard of this study then I told him that I had been having

> shortness of breath. He did an office exam, but found no signs of

CHF,

> but he said that to be sure, he would do a (echo- ultra sound on

the

> heart). That test showed that indeed I have CHF and they did

surgery

> right away and installed a defibrillator. My heart feels better

but we

> stoped all meds for the leukemia. My last fish test showed that Im

no

> longer a member of Zavie's Zero club, but we are still not sure

what to

> do next. Dr. Weeks is checking on that and I see him again soon.

Anyway

> what Im trying to say is that you are right to be worried about the

> shortness of breath, maybe think about getting the echo test on

your

> heart.

> Best wishes to the group.

> TTFN.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks for your good suggestions and insight. Yes, staying positive has

been a challenge for me. I'll try harder.

Margaret

Cogan <ncogan@...> wrote:

At 05:12 AM 12/4/06 -0800, you wrote:

>Thanks, for the information.

>

>My diagnosis was made with the fish blood test 2 months ago. I'll have a

>bone marrow in 5 more months. On 600 mg gleevec which reduced my w. blood

>count from 128,000 to 9,000 in 3 weeks.

That is showing a good response. You have mostly leukemia white cells and

the drug is killing them off quickly.

>Side effects are numerous but bone/muscle pain, nasaua, fatigue, fluid

>retention in my face, muscle cramps, bleury vision are the worse. it seems

>like one is quickly replaced by another and they can change every day. As

>example, nasaua was a real problem but by the time I got a script from the

>doc it went away. It seems almost like a variety of " phantom symptoms "

>which makes me feel like a hypochondriac.

Bone and muscle pain in typical and is thought to be because leukemia cells

are being killed off. Fatigue is typical....many find they need to pace

themselves and even nap. Blurry vision can be from some edema (excess tear

formation). You might ask your doctor about trying a mild diuretic like

diazide as needed. I think the side effects are more acceptable when you

realize that you are on a drug (that is causing them) that is killing off

your leukemia cells.

>Davocette works best for bone pain and I take about 5 - 6 a week, no more

>than one a day...also take 2 Aleve daily. I'm working mornings but usually

>spend the afternoons and evenings napping.

OHSU/Dr. Druker do say that some people need drugs for the bone pain

initially....for most, this gets better over time.

>There's been major diet change. I have to eat starchy food when I take

>gleevec so am using a number of food supplements because I can't eat many

>green veggies, fruit or protein anymore.

Are you taking Gleevec at one or two meals? I always needed more food when

I took my Gleevec....but the rest of the day, I could eat healthy.

>I guess all this gets to be too much and I feel depressed because I can't

>seem to get a handle on everything. One of the things I hate the most is

>seemingly having to define who I am by the side effect of the day!

Having cancer to deal with means losing some control......that can be hard

for many of us. But how you feel about this and the attitude you

have.....that's up to you. When you are feeling negative, try to turn it

around to another perspective and try to see something

positive.........like, " I am really lucky to have this drug " ......monitor

your self-talk and practice some positive affirmations.

If you wonder where my crazy ideas come from, I was a physical therapist

for 30 years. If you focus on the negative, you will feel

negative.......you can just as easily (almost always) find something

positive to focus on. That's my 2-cents on all this stuff.

C.

>Sorry for the long email but I've learned more from this group than I ever

>did from my oncologist (who I've only seen 2 times) and I end up

>instructing my primary care physician about CML and gleevec from what I've

>learned from this group...so if anyone would like to comment, I'd

>appreciate it.

>Thanks,

>Margaret

>

> Cogan <<mailto:ncogan@...>ncogan@...> wrote:

>At 05:33 PM 12/3/06 -0800, you wrote:

>

> >What is dasatanib? And what is log reduction? And BMS? Don't know the

> >lingo yet!

> >

> >I'm new, been on gleevec only 5 wks, lotsa side effects..some days I think

> >I'm doing pretty good, other days are awful!

> >

> >Margaret

>

>Hi Margaret,

>

>The 2nd CML drug that is now approved is made by BMS (Bristol

>Meyers-Squibb)......the scientific name is dasatinib.....trade name is

>Sprycel. So, all of these relate to one drug....which is a 2nd generation

>drug developed after Gleevec.

>

>When you get a PCR value......it is a number, maybe like 2.4

>When you have a one log reduction in this value (which represents how many

>leukemia cells you have) the number is reduced to 0.24..............

>a 2-log reduction is 0.024..............a 3-log reduction is 0.0024

>The goal is to reach a 3-log reduction, as the chance of relapse is almost

>nil then.

>A log is 10X.......so you just move the decimal point one place, for an

>increase or a decrease.

>

>Let the list know about your side effects and someone might have a

>suggestion. It takes a bit to stabilize on the drug and usually the side

>effects get less over time.

>

> C.

>

>Margaret ,

><mailto:mpraymond@...>mpraymond@...

><mailto:margaret-raymond@...>margaret-raymond@...

>

>

>

>

>

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Cam,

Have you spoken to your oncologist about Sprycel. I have been on

Gleevec for 10 months and then had to come off to do side effects.

Sprycel has only been FDA approved since July of this year so there

isn't a ton of information out there. One of the prerequisites is to

have been on Gleevec and had to quit taking it.

I hope this helps,

Chuck

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Cam,

I am not sure, you will have to ask your oncologist on that. I am

currently in remission and I was when they switched me over to the

Sprycel.

Chuck

-- In , Corakee <coralee.williams@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Chuck,

>

> Do you know if Sprycel greatly affects your blood counts? Can I go

on it if

> my counts are still quite low?

>

> Cam

>

>

> On 12/6/06 4:32 PM, " full_of_chuckles " <no_reply > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cam,

> > Have you spoken to your oncologist about Sprycel. I have been on

> > Gleevec for 10 months and then had to come off to do side effects.

> > Sprycel has only been FDA approved since July of this year so there

> > isn't a ton of information out there. One of the prerequisites is to

> > have been on Gleevec and had to quit taking it.

> > I hope this helps,

> > Chuck

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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I cant believe they made you clean it the first time.

doesn't sound like you have many options if you cant quit.

document everything.

is there a cleaner,uncontaminated area that you could be tranfered to?

>

> Last December my work place had a really bad mold outbreak. We were made to

clean it without any protection for our breathing or anything like that. My

bosses took measures to rectify the problem, but there is still what appears to

be a mild mold problem (of course they always say that what you don't see is

much worse than what you do see).

> Anyhow, around that time I started having really really bad allergy-like

symptoms. I chalked it up to...allergies. Until I had an allergy test and came

back allergic to NOT A SINGLE THING, not even dogs (this is important because I

work with dogs)! So they did a pulmonary function test. My PFT came back at

40%... I have a friend who is 32 and has cystic fibrosis, that is HER pulmonary

function. I am now on a daily dose of Singulair and an inhaler. I also have to

have surgery on my sinuses to have my turbinates reduced because they are so

enlarged from irritation.

> For information, I'm 24 years old and have no medical history

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mold causes respiratory problems, get out asap if you can! a lot of

people on this list wish they had gotten out sooner before their health

deteriorated further and sometimes irreversibly

bleach kills but doesn't remove toxic mold particles, the improper

cleaning is probably just spreading it all around and making it worse

if singular is a steroid inhaler, that can encourage fungal growth in

the body, but i'm not suggesting you shouldn't use it, i am not a doctor

most doctors don't recognize mold as a health issue or cause of health

problems so don't be surprised if your doctor says the mold is nothing

your employer/landlord will not help you, he has no interest in

understanding or fixing the problem the right (expensive) way

best of luck, sue v

>Last December my work place had a really bad mold outbreak. We were made

>to clean it without any protection for our breathing or anything like

>that. My bosses took measures to rectify the problem, but there is still

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