Guest guest Posted December 13, 2000 Report Share Posted December 13, 2000 In a message dated 12/13/00 19:26:25 Uhr, dasweeney@... writes: << I didn't have it for my first nor will I have it for any of my other children. Just as with Vit. K, it is very unesessary. >> I haven't had it for my last four kids and none of them are blind:) I also haven't done the vit. K either. I believe it's not only not necessary but it has been linked to leukemia. If our babies needed vit. K at birth we would have died out a long time ago. Kimme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2000 Report Share Posted December 13, 2000 Ok, delurking to ask a question. I'm expecting #3 in 3 weeks and I'm fairly certain I have the vitamin K thing figured out (I have 2 excellent articles I've gotten from this list if anyone is interested. email me privately and I'll send them to you as there has been tons on discussion on this topic in recent months) So now I'd like some info on the eye ointment routinely given to newborns. Is this as unnecessary as vitamin K in a healthy mom and newborn? Or still necessary. I am certain I have no STDs. What has been your experience in a)giving this to your newborn, b)resistance from the medical profession, c)opinions of midwives re: this issue, d)the necessity of this in healthy moms and newborns. Thanks for any and all info. Incidently, I have a prescription, somewhere (I should dig that out) from my ped for oral vitamin K (which I think I'll refuse as well, except in the case of a difficult birth) which also states on it, no hep B shot! Yay! She has been fairly supportive in this whole vaccine refusal thing, in spite of the fact that she is heading up a big vaccine push for all kids by age 2 at our clinic. I think our hospital is fairly cooperative as well with the vitamin K thing. In any case, we don't plan to let the baby out of our sight! Gotta go eat my broccoli and brussels sprouts! Sandwich, mom to Molly Rose (age 5, vacc thru 2 yrs)and Meredith (age 2, vacc thru 6 mos) and Muffin, edd 1/3/01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2000 Report Share Posted December 13, 2000 In a message dated 12/13/00 20:46:11 Uhr, katrinaj@... writes: << Each time you go to nurse for the first few days, squirt a bit of the colostrum in the baby's eye. It prevents all kinds of yuckies. >> This also works well for conjunctivitis. Kimme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2000 Report Share Posted December 13, 2000 > There's your answer. It is given to prevent gonorrhea in your baby. > if you don't have gonorrhea-it's unnecessary. Kimme BUT, be careful, " they " might tell you that the tests to see if mother has gonorrhea is inaccurate therefore if you don't get the eye ointment, your newborn could go blind. Of cource this is highly to never the case. I didn't have it for my first nor will I have it for any of my other children. Just as with Vit. K, it is very unesessary. > > In a message dated 12/13/00 15:00:57 Uhr, sandwich@i... writes: > > << I am certain I have no STDs. >> > > There's your answer. It is given to prevent gonorrhea in your baby. if you > don't have gonorrhea-it's unnecessary. Kimme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2000 Report Share Posted December 13, 2000 I would like to find out more about Vitamin K & its link to Luekemia. I ademently told the doctor that I did not want a Hepatitis and other vaccinations at the birth of our daughter. ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2000 Report Share Posted December 13, 2000 Way back when, I was told that it was to prevent gonorrhea-caused-blindness, not necessarily because the mother might have gonorrhea, but that it is so prevelant in the hospital that all newborns are exposed to it. We did not get the drops, even though they were offered to us at our homebirth, but our midwife stated that breastmilk did the job. Each time you go to nurse for the first few days, squirt a bit of the colostrum in the baby's eye. It prevents all kinds of yuckies. Katrina >From: dasweeney@... >Reply-Vaccinationsegroups >Vaccinationsegroups >Subject: Re: OT: eye drops in newborns >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:23:16 -0000 > > > There's your answer. It is given to prevent gonorrhea in your baby. > > if you don't have gonorrhea-it's unnecessary. Kimme > >BUT, be careful, " they " might tell you that the tests to see if >mother has gonorrhea is inaccurate therefore if you don't get the eye >ointment, your newborn could go blind. Of cource this is highly to >never the case. I didn't have it for my first nor will I have it for >any of my other children. Just as with Vit. K, it is very unesessary. > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/13/00 15:00:57 Uhr, sandwich@i... writes: > > > > << I am certain I have no STDs. >> > > > > There's your answer. It is given to prevent gonorrhea in your >baby. if you > > don't have gonorrhea-it's unnecessary. Kimme > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 I live in Ohio and I just typed up a letter that stated that my husband and I were refusing the eye drops (and vitamin K) and sent in to the hospital before I delivered, as well my doctor had a copy, I also took a copy with me to the hospital. I had no problems, the nurses were very much aware and did not even question my decision. My son is now 9 weeks and his eye sight is wonderful! He follows objects, finds me across the room and is eager to start chasing all of the fuzzy pets he sees walking by!! Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 >Depending on what province or state you live in, it may be " law " to >administer >the drops. I know that in Virginia and land, it is required by law. We got around it by having " outlaw " midwives attend the births. Because they already " didn't exist " , they didn't have to report to the state. Katrina ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 At 05:53 PM 12/13/00 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/13/00 15:00:57 Uhr, sandwich@... writes: > ><< I am certain I have no STDs. >> > >There's your answer. It is given to prevent gonorrhea in your baby. if you >don't have gonorrhea-it's unnecessary. Kimme Yes, they get away with giving it to everybody by saying they can't legally test everybody and give it only to those who need it. I find it such a big insult, but I've already expressed my distaste for people who did not believe I was a virgin in my teen years. Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 At 01:41 AM 12/14/00 +0000, you wrote: >Way back when, I was told that it was to prevent gonorrhea-caused-blindness, >not necessarily because the mother might have gonorrhea, but that it is so >prevelant in the hospital that all newborns are exposed to it. > >We did not get the drops, even though they were offered to us at our >homebirth, but our midwife stated that breastmilk did the job. Each time you >go to nurse for the first few days, squirt a bit of the colostrum in the >baby's eye. It prevents all kinds of yuckies. > >Katrina That last bit is very good advice, thanks Katrina. I swear, breastmilk is the cureall, it helps diaper rash, eye yuckies, everything! Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Sandy & Brad wrote: > > So now I'd like some info on the eye ointment routinely given to newborns. Depending on what province or state you live in, it may be " law " to administer the drops. So if you are planning a hospital birth with a doctor, you probably won't be able to get out of it. Some understanding doctors may agree to put in just a tiny drop (they usually smear a tonne in). If you have a midwife or a REALLY progressive doctor, however, they might gve you the choce. I just had this discussion with my midwife last night. She basically just read me the " riot act " , as she put it, then said it would be up to us. She is legally required to do it, and she is not supposed to have an informed choice discussion with clients b/c it is law here in Ontario, but midwives here generally know that it is an unecessary procedure, and they also respect women's knowledge about their STI status. Eye ointment is another one of those things that became routine for some reason, someone decided it would be a good idea to make it legally mandatory for EVERYONE, and now it's being used indiscriminately without proper reassessment if it's still a good idea (gee, this sounds familiar, doesn't it?) This can be evidenced by the fact that even babies born by caesarean are getting it, which is odd, since the concern is that the baby will contract the infection from passing through the birth canal. I'm lucky this time to have a midwife who is respectful of our decision around this. Last time the midwife said " you'd have to physically restrain me from doing it. " Well seeing as I just gave birth I wasn't about to jump out of bed and hold her down, so we had it done, but not this time! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 OK here's my big question. I had 30 hours of natural childbirth only to have an emergency csection and they still put that crab in his eyes. ( which he got an infection from -and they said could last up to a year) Now why would they do that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 In a message dated 12/14/2000 4:09:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, JILBAIT@... writes: << K here's my big question. I had 30 hours of natural childbirth only to have an emergency csection and they still put that crab in his eyes. ( which he got an infection from -and they said could last up to a year) Now why would they do that?? >> I had out last one here at home and my midwife told me the reason for the eye stuff was in case I had gonorrhea. I had already been tested at the Navel hospital, and my husband and I are monogamous so we told her that we didn't want it. Her eyes were not like how the boys' eyes were. Sunflower Homeschooling, BF, AP, FB , CD Mommy to " " (7/92) Tristen River(3/97) Trinity Kaya Rose(10/2000 born at home.) Are you and your children safe? How many toxic chemicals do you use to clean your home everyday? Interested in using nontoxic, environmentally friendly, excellent cleaning produts and more, at a cheaper price and better value that are delivered right to you home? E-mail me to find out how. Take a look at this as well. http://www.preventingharm.org/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 In a message dated 12/14/00 8:39:58 Uhr, 1levy1@... writes: << it may be " law " to administer the drops. >> You can sign a waiver to refuse. It was never an issue with my kids and most of them were hospital births. Kimme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Preventative antibiotics in case of infection from the nursery. Nice huh? S. JILBAIT@... wrote: OK here's my big question. I had 30 hours of natural childbirth only to have an emergency csection and they still put that crab in his eyes. ( which he got an infection from -and they said could last up to a year) Now why would they do that?? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth? Judging from realistic simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we can assume it will be pretty bad. - Dave Barry I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief. - Gerry Spence Doctors give drugs of which they know little, into bodies, of which they know less, for diseases of which they know nothing at all. - Voltaire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 >Depending on what province or state you live in, it may be " law " to administer the drops. > >I know that in Virginia and land, it is required by law. We got around >it by having " outlaw " midwives attend the births. Because they already > " didn't exist " , they didn't have to report to the state. We had a CNM attend our birth in Virginia and she believes in using colestrum(sp). For the ped. she marks that eye drops were done and they never question it. Our ped. is ok with us not vaccinating also. Dorinda Odessa born at home 9/9/00 ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 It wasn't an issue with my twins either and in Germany where my oldest was born, drops are not given. My twin-girl got an eye-infection in the nursery in the hospital and it took us four months to get really rid of it. It was just a very bad strain, I guess, or maybe she was just extremely vulnerable and sensitive. I never regretted not giving the drops because I am healthy and I did not have to worry. The eye-infection she had was a regular infection and we solely treated it with homeopathy. I never thought about using colostrum. If only I had, she may have been over it much earlier! a. > > In a message dated 12/14/00 8:39:58 Uhr, 1levy1@... writes: > > << it may be " law " to administer > the drops. >> > > You can sign a waiver to refuse. It was never an issue with my kids and most > of them were hospital births. Kimme > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 > >Depending on what province or state you live in, it may be " law " to > > >administer > >the drops. > > I know that in Virginia and land, it is required by law. We got > around > it by having " outlaw " midwives attend the births. Because they > already > " didn't exist " , they didn't have to report to the state. > > Katrina We love our " outlaw " midwives here in Kentucky! *lol* They are the only ones attending homebirths in this backwards state. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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