Re: A question for the group

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Nina,

Hi it is definately NOT like that here in school for my daughter or any other

child i know with DS. I just looked at middle school and they will be so

busy with their academics there will only be one period a week for clubs

(different choices like art, drama, video, cooking etc).

Maybe they are on some work - study program???? Because how could they be

getting paid to that on school time????

Also I think my daughter is working very hard learning her times tables and

doing research on the Civil War for her Social Studies unit, that there would

be NO time for cleaning!!!!

~ Mom to 11 DS and jesse 7 NY

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Nina,

Hi it is definately NOT like that here in school for my daughter or any other

child i know with DS. I just looked at middle school and they will be so

busy with their academics there will only be one period a week for clubs

(different choices like art, drama, video, cooking etc).

Maybe they are on some work - study program???? Because how could they be

getting paid to that on school time????

Also I think my daughter is working very hard learning her times tables and

doing research on the Civil War for her Social Studies unit, that there would

be NO time for cleaning!!!!

~ Mom to 11 DS and jesse 7 NY

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In a message dated 11/20/2001 5:37:14 PM Central Standard Time,

koster@... writes:

> One boy said he had collected his check today and it was $18.25 - don't

> know

> how long he worked for that. There were two DS kids in the group and this

> was about 2 p.m. I asked an aide from a different campus if she knew about

> it and she said yes that they think it helps to give them something to do.

> My question to you is - Is this what you want your kids doing in school?

> Another question - is reading, writing and arithmetic not enough to give

> them something to do?

>

> Mom to 2 year old Nina, DS with still a few more years to go to jr. high,

> but already getting worried.

>

>

Hi ,

I had an NDA kid who did lunch duty in 6th grade and she was paid 1.25 day.

A few years before it was they just got free lunch but they decided it wasn't

fair to the kids, it just gave mom and dad a break from paying for lunch so

they decided to pay the kids and make the parents pay for lunch. Alot of

kids actually like to have lunch duty.

In the case of my child with DS doing what you're describing, I would have to

say I would probably not let her do it in the way described by you, if it was

like lunch duty as the other typical kids,. do then yes she could hehe.

Joy

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In a message dated 11/20/2001 5:37:14 PM Central Standard Time,

koster@... writes:

> One boy said he had collected his check today and it was $18.25 - don't

> know

> how long he worked for that. There were two DS kids in the group and this

> was about 2 p.m. I asked an aide from a different campus if she knew about

> it and she said yes that they think it helps to give them something to do.

> My question to you is - Is this what you want your kids doing in school?

> Another question - is reading, writing and arithmetic not enough to give

> them something to do?

>

> Mom to 2 year old Nina, DS with still a few more years to go to jr. high,

> but already getting worried.

>

>

Hi ,

I had an NDA kid who did lunch duty in 6th grade and she was paid 1.25 day.

A few years before it was they just got free lunch but they decided it wasn't

fair to the kids, it just gave mom and dad a break from paying for lunch so

they decided to pay the kids and make the parents pay for lunch. Alot of

kids actually like to have lunch duty.

In the case of my child with DS doing what you're describing, I would have to

say I would probably not let her do it in the way described by you, if it was

like lunch duty as the other typical kids,. do then yes she could hehe.

Joy

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> My guess is that they could not give the students jobs during school

> hours unless the parents agreed to it in the IEP.

> Many parents do request that their children be taught " job

> skills. " And there could be a case made for working under supervision

> in school with classroom follow-up because " inappropriate behavior "

> has been the reason for many adults with DS not being able to keep

> jobs.

> Is this what I want for my child? He is 10, and I have already

> encountered SpEd administrators who think the best practice is to

> concentrate on " practical skills " instead of academics. But he can

> read and do simple math. I have insisted that we push academics until

> such time as it is obvious that he will go no further. Even then, I

> would expect academic instruction so he doesn't lose the skills he has

> acquired.

As a school librarian, I have " employed " many SpEd students from time

to time, just as I have general ed. students working as library aides.

In many cases, it is reinforcement of skills: checking encyclopedias and

reference sets to make sure the volumes are in order, filing magazines

in order by date, putting fiction books in alphabetical order by author

letter before reshelving, etc. At the end of the year, I also enlist

SpEd classes to help clean up and prep the library and computer labs for

the summer. (This is the same kind of thing the general ed kids are

doing in their classrooms.) Most of them work enthusiastically in

exchange for a big pizza party.

Bev

>

>

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> My guess is that they could not give the students jobs during school

> hours unless the parents agreed to it in the IEP.

> Many parents do request that their children be taught " job

> skills. " And there could be a case made for working under supervision

> in school with classroom follow-up because " inappropriate behavior "

> has been the reason for many adults with DS not being able to keep

> jobs.

> Is this what I want for my child? He is 10, and I have already

> encountered SpEd administrators who think the best practice is to

> concentrate on " practical skills " instead of academics. But he can

> read and do simple math. I have insisted that we push academics until

> such time as it is obvious that he will go no further. Even then, I

> would expect academic instruction so he doesn't lose the skills he has

> acquired.

As a school librarian, I have " employed " many SpEd students from time

to time, just as I have general ed. students working as library aides.

In many cases, it is reinforcement of skills: checking encyclopedias and

reference sets to make sure the volumes are in order, filing magazines

in order by date, putting fiction books in alphabetical order by author

letter before reshelving, etc. At the end of the year, I also enlist

SpEd classes to help clean up and prep the library and computer labs for

the summer. (This is the same kind of thing the general ed kids are

doing in their classrooms.) Most of them work enthusiastically in

exchange for a big pizza party.

Bev

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

This is one of the reasons I pulled Bridget out of the special ed class. The

teacher said the kids liked it and it help to increase their self esteem.

SORRY!!! I have yet to meet someone who REALLY LOVES cleaning tables.

mom to Bridget 8 ds

<koster@...> wrote: Hello

I have a question for any of you who would care to comment. I have a jr. high

age daughter (NDA) and was at the campus today working with a PTO project. This

jr. high is non-inclusion. There was a class there cleaning the cafeteria and

front doors and windows of the office. They referred to themselves as a

resource class, but most are in the special education

classroom exclusively. There was one boy in the group that I know is not in

special education, but all the others present were. We asked them what they

were doing and they said they get paid to clean the " lunchroom and stuff " . One

boy said he had collected his check today and it was $18.25 - don't know

how long he worked for that. There were two DS kids in the group and this was

about 2 p.m. I asked an aide from a different campus if she knew about it and

she said yes that they think it helps to give them something to do. My question

to you is - Is this what you want your kids doing in school? Another question -

is reading, writing and arithmetic not enough to give

them something to do?

Mom to 2 year old Nina, DS with still a few more years to go to jr. high, but

already getting worried.

[Guest guest]

,

This is one of the reasons I pulled Bridget out of the special ed class. The

teacher said the kids liked it and it help to increase their self esteem.

SORRY!!! I have yet to meet someone who REALLY LOVES cleaning tables.

mom to Bridget 8 ds

<koster@...> wrote: Hello

I have a question for any of you who would care to comment. I have a jr. high

age daughter (NDA) and was at the campus today working with a PTO project. This

jr. high is non-inclusion. There was a class there cleaning the cafeteria and

front doors and windows of the office. They referred to themselves as a

resource class, but most are in the special education

classroom exclusively. There was one boy in the group that I know is not in

special education, but all the others present were. We asked them what they

were doing and they said they get paid to clean the " lunchroom and stuff " . One

boy said he had collected his check today and it was $18.25 - don't know

how long he worked for that. There were two DS kids in the group and this was

about 2 p.m. I asked an aide from a different campus if she knew about it and

she said yes that they think it helps to give them something to do. My question

to you is - Is this what you want your kids doing in school? Another question -

is reading, writing and arithmetic not enough to give

them something to do?

Mom to 2 year old Nina, DS with still a few more years to go to jr. high, but

already getting worried.

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One word, SEASPAR (ok, sometimes Gateway). We utilize SEASPAR for

the bulk of Angel's social life. She loves the programs.

>

> Hi everyone:

> My son is a sophomore this year at Downers Grove North.? My

question to you is how have any of you with kids on the autistic

spectrum dealt with social challenges, when I say that I mean

involving your child more with other kids?? is an only child so

doesn't have the sibling relationships and does enjoy family events,

parties, dances at school, etc. but then he's done as in he's ready

to have his computer time (favorite activity) in his room.? Sometimes

I feel I should be doing more to encourage the peer interaction, I

did more when he was younger but not as much anymore.? He's in Tae

Kwon Do through our park district too.

> Thoughts anyone?

> Thanks,

> H.

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since joining!!

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My cousin had the same problem. He is now a senior and has made some friends. It takes more time for them. He seems very happy with out a lot of friends. Hill <sunshinebeaches3@...> wrote: Hi everyone:My son is a sophomore this year at Downers Grove North. My question to you is how have any of you with kids on the autistic spectrum dealt with social challenges, when I say that I mean involving your child more with other kids? is an only child so doesn't have the sibling relationships and does enjoy family

events, parties, dances at school, etc. but then he's done as in he's ready to have his computer time (favorite activity) in his room. Sometimes I feel I should be doing more to encourage the peer interaction, I did more when he was younger but not as much anymore. He's in Tae Kwon Do through our park district too.Thoughts anyone?Thanks, H.PS: I've learned tremendous amounts of great info from all of you since joining!! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!

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My son is a senior at DGN and has the same issues he doesn't seem to want to spend much time with friends. He will still mostly parrallel play as he is fairly low functioning.

-- mar

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My cousin had the same problem. He is now a senior and has made some friends. It takes more time for them. He seems very happy with out a lot of friends. Hill <sunshinebeaches3aol> wrote:

Hi everyone:My son is a sophomore this year at Downers Grove North. My question to you is how have any of you with kids on the autistic spectrum dealt with social challenges, when I say that I mean involving your child more with other kids? is an only child so doesn't have the sibling relationships and does enjoy family events, parties, dances at school, etc. but then he's done as in he's ready to have his computer time (favorite activity) in his room. Sometimes I feel I should be doing more to encourage the peer interaction, I did more when he was younger but not as much anymore. He's in Tae Kwon Do through our park district too.Thoughts anyone?Thanks, H.PS: I've learned tremendous amounts of great info from all of you since joining!!

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Hi ,The short and easy answer is special rec, but high school parents don't always want to hear that. They want their kids integrated socially w/regular ed kids, aside from class time.But let me make a case for that. The high school students your son knows are going to be friendly throughout high school (and it's worthwhile to socialize with them), but then they are going to go away to college and not keep in touch with the folks back in Downers Grove. The friends at SEASPAR are going to be there 10 years from now. Look into some of their teen and young adult activities, at least in the summertime.Back at the high school...continue to encourage attending school events such as football games, plays, concerts. If he's willing and able to make a phone call, encourage him to call a friend to join him at these, or to meet him there. You can go, too, if you like, but sit elsewhere.Another good idea is to go

to community events that teens are likely to frequent, such as parades and the summertime car shows. Make sure he has some cash in his pocket before you go. If he sees a friend there, you can suggest, "Why don't you guys go to Caribou and meet me here later?"For what it's worth, one of my typical kids is a senior, and doesn't do much with classmates outside of school events.-Gail Hill <sunshinebeaches3@...> wrote: Hi everyone: My son is a sophomore this year at Downers Grove North. My question to

you is how have any of you with kids on the autistic spectrum dealt with social challenges, when I say that I mean involving your child more with other kids? is an only child so doesn't have the sibling relationships and does enjoy family events, parties, dances at school, etc. but then he's done as in he's ready to have his computer time (favorite activity) in his room. Sometimes I feel I should be doing more to encourage the peer interaction, I did more when he was younger but not as much anymore. He's in Tae Kwon Do through our park district too. Thoughts anyone? Thanks, H. PS: I've learned tremendous amounts of great info from all of you since joining!! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!

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Have you checked to see if it might be low blood sugar? The symptoms are compatible, but it would not resolve on its own without getting some fast acting carbs. Still, worth checking out.

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wrote: " I'm going along, and then I start to feel a bit light headed.

Then it progresses to a feeling that I'm going to pass out. Lying down

helps, but then I break out into a sweat. Until I break the sweat, it's hard

to communicate, both talking and hearing. It always passes in 5-10 minutes,

and after breaking the sweat I feel fine. " .

,

Could it be a vasovagal reaction?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasovagal_syncope

Maybe it does not progress to an actual syncope (fainting), but this

vasovagal-thing came to my mind immediately.

Regards,

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Reminds me of sudden panic attacks I used to have. Turns out I was

hyperventilating and it caused a lot of similar symptoms. Of course the

answer to that too was to be evaluated. There are lots of other things that

can cause an episode like that, some more serious. And if it is anxiety, you

have something less to be anxious about once you have it figured out.

BG

RE: A question for the group

wrote: " I'm going along, and then I start to feel a bit light headed.

Then it progresses to a feeling that I'm going to pass out. Lying down

helps, but then I break out into a sweat. Until I break the sweat, it's hard

to communicate, both talking and hearing. It always passes in 5-10 minutes,

and after breaking the sweat I feel fine. " .

,

Could it be a vasovagal reaction?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasovagal_syncope

Maybe it does not progress to an actual syncope (fainting), but this

vasovagal-thing came to my mind immediately.

Regards,

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Jon -Your symptoms sound very much like Hypoglycemia. Which is the bodies inability to "up" regulate it's blood sugar. This is the opposite of diabetes which is the inability to "down" regulate blood sugar. I only became Hypoglycemic after going onto triple therapy cocktail. I and a number of friends all went through a huge battery of tests only to find out it was a very simple problem. Like diabetics, hypos have to eat their meals at regular intervals. We don't need insulin , we need to carry some sort of snack around - tree nuts, fruit or some such work best in preventing attacks, hard candy or a soda if you are already getting light headed and shaky. It is believed that the increase stress placed on the liver is what triggers this hypoglycemia in cocktail patients. Normal people whose blood sugar drops regulate their blood by stimulating the liver to change some of its stored food into sugars and release said into the

blood stream. The more stressed or damaged the liver, the less responsive it becomes. This is the "elementary school" explanation of the process. What really happens involves a host of bodily systems, but I'm sure you get the picture.Dave L. wrote: L. Cincinnati, OH. http://360./alphadog415

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