Re: I'm Preparing To Make The Big Step

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In a message dated 11/17/00 1:35:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lashannasmall@... writes:

<< Vaccines are not mandatory. It has nothing to do with the doctor. When

Vaccinations come up, tell him or her that you decline and that you would

rather not get into it. If they began to tell you about how “goodâ€

vaccinations are, just listen and inform that they you respect their opinion

and that your views will not change. The less information you give them,

the better. I made the mistake of trying to tell my doctor about my views

and it did not go well. Just keep it simple. If they insist on knowing

why, tell them that it is against your religion and leave it at that. Again,

the less details the better. Do not try to break it down medically for them

it is a waste of time. Do not give them forms breaking it down medically,

It is a waste of time. And another thing that I thought about is, If you

tell your doctor medical reasons, than you tell their school religious

reasons, if something goes down and you have to go to court or fight for

your kids, it will sound like you are contradicting yourself and they will

not believe you. >>

Ok, so first off ignore my second post on this since I am just now seeing

this, I sent another email thinking no one saw my post. *airhead moment*

Thanks, I will remember to keep it simple and even though it may not be

against my " religion " it is against my beleifs and my beleifs are part of my

religious beleifs, so I really wouldn't be lying if I said it was against my

religion. But the thing is, if I say it's against my religion, what will my

excuse be for the first year of shots she has already had? That wouldn't

sound too good or look good in a court. =(

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In a message dated 11/17/00 4:12:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

GeekGoddessMama@... writes:

<< But the thing is, if I say it's against my religion, what will my

excuse be for the first year of shots she has already had? That wouldn't

sound too good or look good in a court >>

the religious beliefs you have today or not always the same ones you had 5

years ago--look at all the born again christians who grew up catholic etc.,

they have different religious beliefs now then they did then and no one has

the right to say that their beliefs are any less valid, just because they are

newer beliefs...

brigit

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In a message dated 11/17/00 4:46:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

beebemcel@... writes:

<< the religious beliefs you have today or not always the same ones you had 5

years ago--look at all the born again christians who grew up catholic etc.,

they have different religious beliefs now then they did then and no one has

the right to say that their beliefs are any less valid, just because they

are

newer beliefs... >>

You're right. Thanks. =) And yes, my beleifs have chnged so much just in the

past 15 months since she's been born.

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In a message dated 11/17/00 4:12:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

GeekGoddessMama@... writes:

<< But the thing is, if I say it's against my religion, what will my

excuse be for the first year of shots she has already had? That wouldn't

sound too good or look good in a court. =(

>>

Say you just GOT religion and have repented for your earlier atrocities to

the body/temple. Sounds crazy, but I just talked to a chiro last night who

knows families who use this one.

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Vaccines are not mandatory. It has nothing to do with the doctor. When

Vaccinations come up, tell him or her that you decline and that you would

rather not get into it. If they began to tell you about how “good”

vaccinations are, just listen and inform that they you respect their opinion

and that your views will not change. The less information you give them,

the better. I made the mistake of trying to tell my doctor about my views

and it did not go well. Just keep it simple. If they insist on knowing

why, tell them that it is against your religion and leave it at that. Again,

the less details the better. Do not try to break it down medically for them

it is a waste of time. Do not give them forms breaking it down medically,

It is a waste of time. And another thing that I thought about is, If you

tell your doctor medical reasons, than you tell their school religious

reasons, if something goes down and you have to go to court or fight for

your kids, it will sound like you are contradicting yourself and they will

not believe you.

>From: GeekGoddessMama@...

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>Subject: I'm Preparing To Make The " Big Step "

>Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:31:14 EST

>

>Ok all, I hardly post. Just mostly read what seems to be of help to me and

>delete the rest (there's a mass volume of mail here, LOL). But anyway, I

>need

>you all and your help and wisdom now.

>

>We have finally found a new pediatrician for my 15 month old daughter Raina

>and we will also be taking the new baby to this doctor after he/she is

>born.

>I didn't get to meet the actual doctor today since she does A.M.

>appointmenst, I met the nurse practicianer and asked her a few questions

>about the doctor and herself. Come to discover, I am very blessed that the

>doctor and nurse, are in support of our family's choices. I can't say if

>the

>nurse actually agreed with everything but she said they get lots of moms

>who

>do home birth's (and they even make a home visit for baby's first check up

>at

>the home!) and are very pro-breastfeeding and have no problem with

>co-sleeping. This made me feel good. They never even questioned me when I

>told them we were vegan. No one even blinked or gave me dirty looks.

>Nothing.

>The nurse aid just shook her head and wrote it all down with the rest of

>Raina's info. So, to me they seem way more laid back than Raina's previous

>peditrician.

>

>Now here is the help I need. Raina was set up for 15 month " check up " , it

>will also be my oppertunity to actually meet the actual doctor, who I have

>been told by my referral person, that she is pro breast and pro family bed.

>Anyway. I will be breaking it to her that we have educated ourselves on

>vaccines and are choosing to no longer vaccinate. What do I do about

>anything

>she may say? Remember, I do not know this lady and I have no idea how she

>will take it, but I am aware that I cannot be forced into shots. Will I

>need

>any papers, like exemption? I remember someone sending a form on here once

>that I could sign saying I was aware of each shot, what it does, etc and

>that

>I refuse it.

>

>This is a big step for me. All the other things I do that are considered

> " un

>mainstream " like the family bed and being vegan were hard enough for me to

>choose and just deal with comments, etc. But I have heard horror stories of

>children actually being removed from their homes because they were

>unvaccinated. Is this true?? That scares me a great deal and I don't want

>it

>to happen. No one does.

>

>I just need tp be prepared for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that may or may not

>come up. Then again, I could be lucky since they support home birth (which

>some pedi's do NOT supprt and call it neglect) and may not have a problem

>about the whole deal, but then again she could surprise me and play 20

>questions with me and treat me as if I'm an idiot (which I don't think that

>attitude came from the person who referred e to her, she is highly

>recommended by a doula I know). So I just need the basics and what to be

>prepared for. Hope anyone can help me!

>

>P.S. If it may help to know, we live in Kentucky, but the doctor is right

>across the river in Indiana, I do NOT know Indiana laws or very many

>Kentucky

>laws for vaccines.

>

>Thanks in advanced!

>

>-Hope

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Still keep it simple. Let them bring it up. Tell them that you were under

the ingression that they were mandatory, and now that you know that they are

not, you do not believe that they are right for your children. Do not go

into detail. Just let them talk and just say okay I will think about it. I

have read a lot of post here where people do not feel well visits are

necessary and that they were designed to be vaccination appointments

instead. I am starting to believe that now. I took my daughter to her

first well visits just to reassure myself that she was developing normally

(she was my first child so I had no idea about babies). Now, I do not feel

I will take her back (for a while anyway).

>From: GeekGoddessMama@...

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>Subject: Re: I'm Preparing To Make The " Big Step "

>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:09:18 EST

>

>In a message dated 11/17/00 1:35:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>lashannasmall@... writes:

>

><< Vaccines are not mandatory. It has nothing to do with the doctor. When

> Vaccinations come up, tell him or her that you decline and that you would

> rather not get into it. If they began to tell you about how “goodâ€

> vaccinations are, just listen and inform that they you respect their

>opinion

> and that your views will not change. The less information you give them,

> the better. I made the mistake of trying to tell my doctor about my

>views

> and it did not go well. Just keep it simple. If they insist on knowing

> why, tell them that it is against your religion and leave it at that.

>Again,

> the less details the better. Do not try to break it down medically for

>them

> it is a waste of time. Do not give them forms breaking it down

>medically,

> It is a waste of time. And another thing that I thought about is, If you

> tell your doctor medical reasons, than you tell their school religious

> reasons, if something goes down and you have to go to court or fight for

> your kids, it will sound like you are contradicting yourself and they

>will

> not believe you. >>

>

>Ok, so first off ignore my second post on this since I am just now seeing

>this, I sent another email thinking no one saw my post. *airhead moment*

>

>Thanks, I will remember to keep it simple and even though it may not be

>against my " religion " it is against my beleifs and my beleifs are part of

>my

>religious beleifs, so I really wouldn't be lying if I said it was against

>my

>religion. But the thing is, if I say it's against my religion, what will my

>excuse be for the first year of shots she has already had? That wouldn't

>sound too good or look good in a court. =(

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In a message dated 11/18/00 12:19:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lashannasmall@... writes:

<< I

have read a lot of post here where people do not feel well visits are

necessary and that they were designed to be vaccination appointments >>

Well this is a new pedi so we are only having this appointment to actually

meet her since we already met the NP and I have heard good things, I want to

at least make sure I like her for any trips I may have to make in the future!

=)