Re: Questions about health records and speech

[Guest guest]

caryn,

hi, here's what i do with my log...i chart sawyer's height, weight and

length. i then proceed to list any achievements or sicknesses he's had since

the last one (and i do this on the dates that he would be going into a ped's

office if he was getting all of his well care visits--so that they coincide

with what is considered " normal " .) if he's gotten teeth or eating new foods

or trying to use a spoon by himself or saying any new words, etc. i really

don't get into it too, too much, as to be honest, i never got into too much

with his ped. anyway--i never really needed his advice for anything and

didn't like his opinions on things like extended nursing and family bed, etc.

anyway.

brigit

[Guest guest]

oh, as far as not talking very much, i wouldn't be too worried--some kids

talk more and earlier than others. also, it seems as though some children

just don't NEED to talk all that much. sometimes it's because the parents

are there saying or interpreting things for them (also, it seems that later

children--ones with older brothers & sisters do this more often than the only

child or oldest child--i think they just have a lot of people running around

doing things for them so they're not forced to talk to get what they want),or

sometimes just because they don't need to do it that much--maybe they just

don't have a lot to say. )

my niece, is VERY smart and she barely talked until she was 2 1/2-3 years

old. just keep an eye on her--are all her other " milestones " timely?

brigit

[Guest guest]

For what it's worth, I was told by my mother that I didn't talk until I was

three. On the one hand, no one wants to miss an important sign. On the

other hand, it is important not to give too much importance to something

that in and of itself may not mean anything. (By the way, I am the oldest

child, and there were not other children until I was over three.)

Sandy

[Guest guest]

My youngest son was 3 years and 1 week when he said his first real word.

Until then he had made up sounds, sign language and gestures to talk. Then

as if he had been talking all along he just started to talk in complete

sentences and using some really " big " words within a few weeks of that.

[Guest guest]

reminded me of something just now. I was told that I, too, spoke in a

complete sentence, using very big words, one day when no one was paying

attention to me. Sandy

[Guest guest]

It might be a good idea to video tape your children as well. That way, if

anything happens, you have an example of how your child normally acts and is

developing.

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>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:08:37 EST

>

>caryn,

>hi, here's what i do with my log...i chart sawyer's height, weight and

>length. i then proceed to list any achievements or sicknesses he's had

>since

>the last one (and i do this on the dates that he would be going into a

>ped's

>office if he was getting all of his well care visits--so that they coincide

>with what is considered " normal " .) if he's gotten teeth or eating new

>foods

>or trying to use a spoon by himself or saying any new words, etc. i really

>don't get into it too, too much, as to be honest, i never got into too much

>with his ped. anyway--i never really needed his advice for anything and

>didn't like his opinions on things like extended nursing and family bed,

>etc.

>anyway.

>brigit

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[Guest guest]

just keep an eye on her--are all her other " milestones " timely?

> brigit

Other than speech, Jessie seems to be developing quite normally. She

is a kinesthetic learner, with very strong visual learner traits.

She's been walking since 9 months - has a VERY good appetite. She

has excellent balance, needs some work on fine motor skills (as most

movers do). Honestly though, I'm not sure what other " milestones " I

should be looking at. Thanks for your response and words of

encouragement about speech!

[Guest guest]

Just as a different perspective, I believe children will choose to

communicate audibly when there current communication style no longer fits. I

was the oldest and my younger brother didn't speak until he was almost

4..........why? because he would communicate with me and I always spoke for

him, where was the need? he didn't have to speak to get what he wanted, much

along the same lines as twins. When he finally spoke he had complete

sentences, and I am sure he chose to because I was getting to busy in my

kindergarten world to do it for him. If your child is hearing, and all

functions are normal..............why mess with their body? children are wise

little people.

[Guest guest]

OH MAN!!! Okay, I know that Im going to be labelled as an alarmist

but if my child was over 2 and not talking I would be freaked. Having

said that Im an audiologist so I am VERY sensitive to this issue. Yes

it is true some children dont say much...but the milestones are still

reached. There is nothing invasive about a hearing test. I STRONGLY

recommend that she have one done by an audiologist. Not a technician,

not an ENT...but an audiologist. Just because she " hears " you when

her back is turned DOES NOT mean that her hearing is normal. She

could have a mild loss for example. I will be happy to discuss

anything regarding this issue....I hope that i wont get flamed but I

am concerned, very concerned.

in Canada

Email me privately if you like.

[Guest guest]

, I don't think you're an alarmist. That's an excellent

suggestion. It's hardly an invasive thing which would need send a parent

down some slippery slope. Sandy

[Guest guest]

I haven't really kept an log of his weight or height.... but I have a couple

of videotapes of Quinn since he was a couple months old. Would that be ok?

Amy

Mom to Quinn (11-15-99)

> It might be a good idea to video tape your children as well. That way, if

> anything happens, you have an example of how your child normally acts and

is

> developing.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Not that I'm saying that you SHOULD go to the audiologist to check

things out, I'm just gonna be typing about my experience...well, in this

case, my parents as I was still too young to remember...*S* Anyways... my

mom said that I was just babbling up to 2 y.o. and I wasn't giving any

inclination to talk...so mom thought that there might be something wrong, so

she took me to an audiologist (a couple) and then my parents found out I was

Deaf. I always had fooled them even when they called my name, I just

somehow always turned around... and if they came up behind me, I still

looked around cuz of vibrations. So they had no idea I was deaf til they

took me in to be tested.

Now, I have a 1 y.o. son, I believe that he's hearing as I'm the only

deaf person in the entire family (my deafness is Unkown) and my mate is

hearing. He's not talking yet, but according to my mate, he's doing pretty

good with baby talk and making noises. But I'm signing to him (and tryin'

to get my mate to sign more to Quinn *sighs* *LOL*)... he kinda seems to

understand some of my signs, but still not signing on his own. I think it

will happen in the next few months as kids sign earlier than talk in most

cases. So I'm thrilled...and hoping that Quinn will sign! Otherwise, he's

doing pretty well in other areas. =o)

Still not walking, but I'm not worried as he's only 1 y.o. (his birthday is

today and I'm excited! Can't wait to do the cake and present thingies...)

Amy

Mom to Quinn (11-15-99)

> OH MAN!!! Okay, I know that Im going to be labelled as an alarmist

> but if my child was over 2 and not talking I would be freaked. Having

> said that Im an audiologist so I am VERY sensitive to this issue. Yes

> it is true some children dont say much...but the milestones are still

> reached. There is nothing invasive about a hearing test. I STRONGLY

> recommend that she have one done by an audiologist. Not a technician,

> not an ENT...but an audiologist. Just because she " hears " you when

> her back is turned DOES NOT mean that her hearing is normal. She

> could have a mild loss for example. I will be happy to discuss

> anything regarding this issue....I hope that i wont get flamed but I

> am concerned, very concerned.

> in Canada

> Email me privately if you like.

[Guest guest]

Happy Birthday Quinn....dont worry he WILL sign!!! That is wonderful,

your little guy will be bilingual!!! Watch him he is probably already

doing some little gestures.

<<<<<<<<<<<

> Hello,

>

> Not that I'm saying that you SHOULD go to the audiologist to

check

> things out, I'm just gonna be typing about my experience...well, in

this

> case, my parents as I was still too young to remember...*S*

Anyways... my

> mom said that I was just babbling up to 2 y.o. and I wasn't giving

any

> inclination to talk...so mom thought that there might be something

wrong, so

> she took me to an audiologist (a couple) and then my parents found

out I was

> Deaf. I always had fooled them even when they called my name, I

just

> somehow always turned around... and if they came up behind me, I

still

> looked around cuz of vibrations. So they had no idea I was deaf til

they

> took me in to be tested.

>

> Now, I have a 1 y.o. son, I believe that he's hearing as I'm the

only

> deaf person in the entire family (my deafness is Unkown) and my mate

is

> hearing. He's not talking yet, but according to my mate, he's doing

pretty

> good with baby talk and making noises. But I'm signing to him (and

tryin'

> to get my mate to sign more to Quinn *sighs* *LOL*)... he kinda

seems to

> understand some of my signs, but still not signing on his own. I

think it

> will happen in the next few months as kids sign earlier than talk in

most

> cases. So I'm thrilled...and hoping that Quinn will sign!

Otherwise, he's

> doing pretty well in other areas. =o)

> Still not walking, but I'm not worried as he's only 1 y.o. (his

birthday is

> today and I'm excited! Can't wait to do the cake and present

thingies...)

>

> Amy

> Mom to Quinn (11-15-99)

>

>

> > OH MAN!!! Okay, I know that Im going to be labelled as an

alarmist

> > but if my child was over 2 and not talking I would be freaked.

Having

> > said that Im an audiologist so I am VERY sensitive to this issue.

Yes

> > it is true some children dont say much...but the milestones are

still

> > reached. There is nothing invasive about a hearing test. I

STRONGLY

> > recommend that she have one done by an audiologist. Not a

technician,

> > not an ENT...but an audiologist. Just because she " hears " you

when

> > her back is turned DOES NOT mean that her hearing is normal. She

> > could have a mild loss for example. I will be happy to discuss

> > anything regarding this issue....I hope that i wont get flamed but

I

> > am concerned, very concerned.

> > in Canada

> > Email me privately if you like.

[Guest guest]

This is very unusual. Most children do not do that at all. I am not

discounting it, Im just saying that it is very unusual. As for the

statement " dont mess with the body " ...I dont understand. There is

nothing to " mess with " . A hearing test for a 3 year old involves

sitting with an audiologist in the same room, with headphones on your

head, placing colourful pegs in a board when you hear the beep. Or

completing some other task like putting in a puzzle piece. Most kids

think its a great game!! The test takes less that 1/2 hour if dont

professionally. I do have a question for you, do you take your child

to a chiro?? If so then that statement is quite hypocritical dont you

think?

> Just as a different perspective, I believe children will choose to

> communicate audibly when there current communication style no longer

fits. I

> was the oldest and my younger brother didn't speak until he was

almost

> 4..........why? because he would communicate with me and I always

spoke for

> him, where was the need? he didn't have to speak to get what he

wanted, much

> along the same lines as twins. When he finally spoke he had complete

> sentences, and I am sure he chose to because I was getting to busy

in my

> kindergarten world to do it for him. If your child is hearing, and

all

> functions are normal..............why mess with their body? children

are wise

> little people.

[Guest guest]

I do not disagree with you, you wonder why I bring up diet? well its because

I believe that good chiropractic care is as needed for the body as is a good

diet.....and I may remind you that YOU brought up chiro care. I have no

objections to hearing tests, but considering your obvious distaste for

chiropractic I wonder why you chose to bring it up. Your opinion in itself

was not rude........your choice in making it a " hypocritical " issue was. The

fact is I see ATYPICAL all the time....when did we stop being viewed as

unique? since when do I have to fit the same mold as teh text book says I

should?

Anyway I believe the beginning of this was hearing loss due to

vaccinations...........ps my daughter almost died from....but one could say

that was ATYPICAL.

[Guest guest]

Yeh, that’s cool.

>From: " SilentVision & SeaPony " <silentsea@...>

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>Subject: Re: Questions about health records and speech

>Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:00:36 -0500

>

>I haven't really kept an log of his weight or height.... but I have a

>couple

>of videotapes of Quinn since he was a couple months old. Would that be ok?

>

>Amy

>Mom to Quinn (11-15-99)

>

>

>

> > It might be a good idea to video tape your children as well. That way,

>if

> > anything happens, you have an example of how your child normally acts

>and

>is

> > developing.

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Im sorry that you saw that as rude. However having said that I still

dont see the harm in getting a hearing test. In my opinion, chiro's

are not the answer to everything. I have obviously not had any good

experiences with them...so I am jaded, and I view them as potentially

harmful. I know you wont agree, since you consider them necessary

for " maintenance " . Im not sure why you brought up the diet thing.

Yes, perhaps some children do speak later and they are

normal....however, that is ATYPICAL. Not common. And All I am

saying is that no one, (not even me who does hearing tests daily) can

tell whether someones hearing is normal by speaking to them with

their back turned. A hearing test is much less invasive than an

appointment to the chiropractor. The chiro actually physically

touches you....in a hearing test, there is minimal touching

involved....its not invasive.

I also have seen many children with hearing losses be identified

later in life, and they will NEVER recoop the loss in years that they

underwent with regards to their hearing. Our brain develops the

quickest when we are very young. It would be a shame if a child had

a hearing loss and wasnt identified until later in life,

unnecessarily.

Just my .02$$

CHristina

> wow thats kind of rude !

>

> If so then that statement is quite hypocritical dont you

> think?

>

> No I don't think, taking care of your body in maintenance is not

messing with

> it, nor is a proper diet. I am merely saying some children hear

fine and

> feel no need to communicate beyong their current situation. I am

not speaking

> on the part of the parent with a child with hearing loss. I believe

all

> children should hear.........verbal communication is just not

always

> indicative of an ability to hear.

>

> Just my .02 cents

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/15/00 10:00:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, xtina@...

writes:

<< Im sorry that you saw that as rude. However having said that I still

dont see the harm in getting a hearing test. In my opinion, chiro's

are not the answer to everything. I have obviously not had any good

experiences with them...so I am jaded, and I view them as potentially

harmful. I know you wont agree, since you consider them necessary

for " maintenance " . Im not sure why you brought up the diet thing.

Yes, perhaps some children do speak later and they are

normal....however, that is ATYPICAL. Not common. And All I am

saying is that no one, (not even me who does hearing tests daily) can

tell whether someones hearing is normal by speaking to them with

their back turned. A hearing test is much less invasive than an

appointment to the chiropractor. The chiro actually physically

touches you....in a hearing test, there is minimal touching

involved....its not invasive.

I also have seen many children with hearing losses be identified

later in life, and they will NEVER recoop the loss in years that they

underwent with regards to their hearing. Our brain develops the

quickest when we are very young. It would be a shame if a child had

a hearing loss and wasnt identified until later in life,

unnecessarily.

Just my .02$$

CHristina >>

christina,

i agree with you. although i have used a chiro--quite effective for me!!

). i do see them as way more invasive than a hearing test, and i do think

it should be considered if the " no-talking " continues for a much longer

period of time, but at this point, it's probably not that, but i'm just

guessing...

brigit

[Guest guest]

Thanks all for your input. I will discuss this with dh, but I'm

planning to wait 3 more months, til her 3rd birthday, and if we've

not seen a change, we'll have her tested. She is saying some words,

quite clearly. What I failed to mention is that her 5yo sister is

VERY talkative! Perhaps that's where my worry stems from is that I

have compared my children's development. was talking by age 1

and saying rather developed sentences and some pretty big words

(including " dangerous " ) by age 2. I hate to think of myself as

a " worry wart " but these are my children - and I do sometimes wonder

if I'm doing the very best for them! May God give me the wisdom!!

[Guest guest]

Thank you " Nnu29 " , I went to www.healthatoz.com and looked at

milestones for my daughter. I'm happy to say that outside of the

speech, she is right on target, if not a little ahead. And like I

said in another post, I'm planning to wait til she's 3 for a hearing

test. Thanks again!!

[Guest guest]

I obviously agree that a good diet is essential. I brought up the

chiro because i percieved the response to my suggestion of a hearing

test as something that was invasive and unnecessary. You had said to

leave the body alone...which LOL is my argument regarding chiro's.

As such, I was using chiro's as an analogy, since I dont see the use

of one as " leaving the body alone " .

No, of course people are unique, but most people do present symptoms

in a similar fashion. As for the vaccine issue, youll get no

argument from me...my son is completely unvaccinated, unmedicated,

and breastfed! My impression, however, was that this thread was

started by a mom who was questioning her child's lack of speech,

seemed to have considered the issue of hearing loss, and was also

inquiring about medical records that she should be keeping. My

comments were merely to suggest that her dismissal of a hearing loss

MIGHT be premature and that she would be well advised to seek a

hearing test to rule this out conclusively.

> I do not disagree with you, you wonder why I bring up diet? well

its because

> I believe that good chiropractic care is as needed for the body as

is a good

> diet.....and I may remind you that YOU brought up chiro care. I

have no

> objections to hearing tests, but considering your obvious distaste

for

> chiropractic I wonder why you chose to bring it up. Your opinion in

itself

> was not rude........your choice in making it a " hypocritical " issue

was. The

> fact is I see ATYPICAL all the time....when did we stop being

viewed as

> unique? since when do I have to fit the same mold as teh text book

says I

> should?

>

> Anyway I believe the beginning of this was hearing loss due to

> vaccinations...........ps my daughter almost died from....but one

could say

> that was ATYPICAL.

[Guest guest]

If I may ask, how many words would you say she has? She probably

does have normal hearing, but she may also have a mild or moderate

loss that could delay her speech.

> Thanks all for your input. I will discuss this with dh, but I'm

> planning to wait 3 more months, til her 3rd birthday, and if we've

> not seen a change, we'll have her tested. She is saying some

words,

> quite clearly. What I failed to mention is that her 5yo sister is

> VERY talkative! Perhaps that's where my worry stems from is that I

> have compared my children's development. was talking by age

1

> and saying rather developed sentences and some pretty big words

> (including " dangerous " ) by age 2. I hate to think of myself as

> a " worry wart " but these are my children - and I do sometimes

wonder

> if I'm doing the very best for them! May God give me the wisdom!!

[Guest guest]

Caryn, Maybe I have missed this, but have you ever whispered to your child

when her back was to you and has she heard you when you did? , if

her child heard in those circumstances, would that be sufficient evidence

that she could hear? But if she could not hear under those circumstances,

might it not be prudent to proceed directly to a hearing test? What are the

advantages and disadvantages of getting a hearing test now as opposed to

later?

Sandy

[Guest guest]

, Sorry I called you in the last email. Sandy

[Guest guest]

Not really a good indicator. For one thing, if she is anything like

my little guy, she'll ignore it LOL which means nothing. But more

importantly, it isnt an indication of hearing acquity at all. IF she

does have a loss, it is likely not a complete one. Which means that

it may be mild or moderate or only involving the high frequencies

etc. Also, the acoustics of the room are tricky, and sometimes a

hearing impaired person may hear something really well depending on

where they are located in a room as compared to the speaker.

Getting a hearing test now vs later would be best because your

basically loosing time. Important develpomental time with regards to

brain development and hearing. Again, only my .02$.

> Caryn, Maybe I have missed this, but have you ever whispered to

your child

> when her back was to you and has she heard you when you did?

, if

> her child heard in those circumstances, would that be sufficient

evidence

> that she could hear? But if she could not hear under those

circumstances,

> might it not be prudent to proceed directly to a hearing test?

What are the

> advantages and disadvantages of getting a hearing test now as

opposed to

> later?

>

> Sandy