Re: Allergies and Homeopathy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/1/00 7:40:31 AM Central Standard Time,

thagerty@... writes:

<< Sheri (or anyone else who can answer) if you have allergies and you are

treated homeopathically do you still need to get rid of the allergy source

(ie. dust, cat dander, mold, etc.) or does the homeopathic treatment make

you not allergic anymore??

>>

wendy, I'll answer because I have " allergies " and have treated them, for

myself and my kids. A true allergy would kill you. what you are talking

about is an intolerance. Your body has a level of intolerance for some

foreign somestance that it comes in contact with. You can teach the body to

deal with the intolerable substance several ways. I've seen it done

homeopathically, however, the people almost always then remove the substance

from the home. I don't know that this is what they were instructed to do,

because I think the remedy should have kicked the body response into gear.

But Sherri can answer that. This is a little over the top for me, and uses

way too much energy, depending on the substance (dust mites). Using

Kiniseiology, you target exactly what substances your body is intolerant of,

then train your body to deal with them. For instance, I had a severe

intolerance to strawberries, and a high intolerance for onions. I stopped

eating strawberries for 1 month. then began eating a little bit each day.

When 1 week had passed and I had no reaction, I ate 3 bits for 4 days, and

then progressed to one whole strawberry. it took a long time (several

months). But, I can eat them now, most of the time and not worry about a

reaction. The onions, I ate them only cooked, then began eating them raw

here and there. I still get a reaction here and there, but it's not severe

and I can deal with it (sore throat, headache). I could work on being able

to eat all onions all the time, but I was only concerned about yellow and red

as I use them almost daily in cooking, and they bothered me the most.

[Guest guest]

Sheri (or anyone else who can answer) if you have allergies and you are

treated homeopathically do you still need to get rid of the allergy source

(ie. dust, cat dander, mold, etc.) or does the homeopathic treatment make

you not allergic anymore??

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/1/00 3:42:08 PM Central Standard Time,

adrienne@... writes:

<< Am I right in understanding that what you are saying

is that these methods I've heard of can only get rid of allergies that are

actually intolerances, but they cannot get rid of allergies that are true

allergies? I was wondering about that. A friend of mine refuses to look

into allergy removal for her son's peanut allergy, because the allergy

could kill him and all of these methods involve contact with the allergic

substance.

>>

I think that's exactly it. I'm not a kinesiologist or a homeopathic doctor,

but we've used both quite a bit over the last 6 years. And I get the same

message from both. Also, I was a Director at a private school where we had a

couple of kids with true allergies (one to peanut butter). there was nothing

our kin. could do for them. You may be able to use chemicals to alleviate

the symptoms -- however, for instance, in my husband's case, if he is stung

by a bee and doesn't administer the antedote within 5 minutes (ramming a

needle into the main vein on his upper inside thigh) he is dead shortly

after. Even making it at 6 minutes would be too late. That's an allergy.

My reaction to onions (headache, swollen pussy eyes, throat restriction,

minor lung paralysis) was a severe intolerance, but it wouldn't kill me.

sure is awful though. My understanding (and I'm working from a poor memory

here) of the peanut butter is that it is a substance in the oil which causes

the reaction in the body to shut down. It is possible that there are people

who have only intolerances, but because they are so severe they are treating

it as an allergy. Intolerances this severe take a long time to overcome, and

many people (including myself) don't have the time, or energy to keep up the

necessary disciplines until they are cured. and as Sherri said, even with

homeopathy, sometimes it's a matter of peeling away the layers, which can

take a long, long time. Some people don't have the time, in our case we

wouldn't have the money at $90 a pop for a visit. Hence, my reluctance to

use acupuncture which I know also works, but I'd need at least 5 to 10

visits, and I can't afford that.

[Guest guest]

At 08:39 AM 12/01/2000 -0600, you wrote:

>Sheri (or anyone else who can answer) if you have allergies and you are

>treated homeopathically do you still need to get rid of the allergy source

>(ie. dust, cat dander, mold, etc.) or does the homeopathic treatment make

>you not allergic anymore??

>

>

>

It depends.

Sometimes you go thru homeopathic treatment and the allergies go away. It

isn't always 'magic' right away as we are very complicated individuals.

The ultimate goal of course would be to reach a level of cure where you do

not have allergies anymore. But sometimes due to difficulty finding the

exact remedy - and sometimes it takes years to get through all of the

layers of disturbance that we have due to all of the years of antibiotics,

vaccines, environmental toxins, stresses, etc - it doesn't happen

immediately. And sometimes molds, etc could also be considered maintaining

causes. You may only get so far with homeopathic treatment without

removing the offending substance that is constantly disturbing your vital

force. So, what I am saying is, of course the ultimate goal would be to be

free of allergies after homeopathic treatment (in the ideal world). Yes,

it certainly has happened to many

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

>wendy, I'll answer because I have " allergies " and have treated them, for

>myself and my kids. A true allergy would kill you. what you are talking

>about is an intolerance. Your body has a level of intolerance for some

>foreign somestance that it comes in contact with. You can teach the body to

>deal with the intolerable substance several ways. I've seen it done

>homeopathically, however, the people almost always then remove the substance

>from the home. I don't know that this is what they were instructed to do,

This is interesting. I do have actual allergies, where contact with the

substance could kill me. I also have many intolerances, also called

allergies. I'd never heard of the distinguishment. I've heard of ways to

get rid of allergies. Am I right in understanding that what you are saying

is that these methods I've heard of can only get rid of allergies that are

actually intolerances, but they cannot get rid of allergies that are true

allergies? I was wondering about that. A friend of mine refuses to look

into allergy removal for her son's peanut allergy, because the allergy

could kill him and all of these methods involve contact with the allergic

substance.

Anyway, I'm just wondering if I'm understanding your statement correctly.

Adrienne

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cpeter, Thanks for the clarification. I have allergies similar to your

husband where I need to get/give myself a shot of epinephrin within minutes

of exposure. Both of them are related to my endomitriosis. However, I do

have other " allergies " that I guess are just intolerances. I usually just

avoid the offending item, but it is good to know that those could be helped

if I wanted to put forth the effort (in time, money, and other things.)

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

At 04:08 PM 12/01/2000 -0600, you wrote:

>cpeter, Thanks for the clarification. I have allergies similar to your

>husband where I need to get/give myself a shot of epinephrin within minutes

>of exposure. Both of them are related to my endomitriosis. However, I do

>have other " allergies " that I guess are just intolerances. I usually just

>avoid the offending item, but it is good to know that those could be helped

>if I wanted to put forth the effort (in time, money, and other things.)

>

>Adrienne

>

>

You can be cured of allergies OR intolerances with homeopathy. Sometimes

fast and sometimes not - depends on homeopath, right remedy and how

complicated your case is.

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[Guest guest]

Just to clarify some definitions:

From Tabers:

Allergy: " An acquired, abnormal immune response to a substance (allergen) that

does not normally cause a reaction. Sensitzation, or an initial exposure to the

allergen, is required; subsequent contact with the allergen then results in a

broad range of inflammatory responses. "

" Type I (immediate) reactions are local or systemic anaphylaxis (exrememly

rapid)

inflammatory responses to allergens mediated by ...(IgE). Local responses

include ...(hives, allergic rhinitis), asthma...Systemic anaphylaxis is life

threatening. The allergen reaches the bloodstream, triggering a massive

realease

of chemical mediators that produce severe bronchial obstruction, vasodilation,

and increased vascular permeability, which can cause laryngeal or pulmonary

edema

and shock. "

" Type II reactions are antigen-antibody reactions mediated by IgG and IgM that

cause transfusion reactions and many drug reactions. "

" Type III reactions occur when IgG or IgM antibodies attach to antigens,

creating

complexes that circulate in the blood. The complexes cause damage when they

adhere to the walls of blood vessels, thus initiating inflammation...Serum

sickness...is a type III reation that can occur in sensitized people who receive

penicillins, sulfonamides, or antitoxins developed from animals (e.g., for

tetanus, snake venom, or rabies). "

" Type IV reactions are mediated by sensitized T lymphocytes, not antibodies.

Contact dermatitis...involves many common allergens, including...poison

ivy...These combine with skin proteins, altering the normal self-antigens so

that

new, foreign antigens are created...(Type IV reactions) are used as a clinical

tool in skin tests for sensitivity. "

" The number of exposures needed to produce an allergic response varies. An

allergy may occur the second time a person is exposed to a particular allergen

or

may not occur until years later when repeated exposures have produced sufficient

antibodies or sensitized T cells. "

An allergy is a kind of immune hypersensitivity. An intolerance isn't an acual

medical condition or categorization, but a blanket term for, simply, an

intolerance to something. For instance, there is a difference between a milk

allergy (when a person has an allergic response to the milk proteins), and a

milk

intoleance (when the person lacks lactase, the enzyme used to break down

lactose,

making it difficult for the person to digest milk).

Very few allegies are life threatening, and you need to have at least one

exposure to a substance before you can have an allergic reaction. So if you

haven't been stung by a bee before - don't worry - you're not going to die the

first time it happens. Any type I allergic reaction is also referred to as

anaphylaxis, but it is when your whole system reacts severely that it is called

anaphylactic shock (ie, when you actually go into shock - that's when you need

the epi-pen).

Adrienne wrote:

> >wendy, I'll answer because I have " allergies " and have treated them, for

> >myself and my kids. A true allergy would kill you. what you are talking

> >about is an intolerance. Your body has a level of intolerance for some

> >foreign somestance that it comes in contact with. You can teach the body to

> >deal with the intolerable substance several ways. I've seen it done

> >homeopathically, however, the people almost always then remove the substance

> >from the home. I don't know that this is what they were instructed to do,

>

> This is interesting. I do have actual allergies, where contact with the

> substance could kill me. I also have many intolerances, also called

> allergies. I'd never heard of the distinguishment. I've heard of ways to

> get rid of allergies. Am I right in understanding that what you are saying

> is that these methods I've heard of can only get rid of allergies that are

> actually intolerances, but they cannot get rid of allergies that are true

> allergies? I was wondering about that. A friend of mine refuses to look

> into allergy removal for her son's peanut allergy, because the allergy

> could kill him and all of these methods involve contact with the allergic

> substance.

>

> Anyway, I'm just wondering if I'm understanding your statement correctly.

>

> Adrienne

>

[Guest guest]

>An allergy is a kind of immune hypersensitivity. An intolerance isn't an

>acual

>medical condition or categorization, but a blanket term for, simply, an

>intolerance to something. For instance, there is a difference between a milk

>allergy (when a person has an allergic response to the milk proteins), and

>a milk

>intoleance (when the person lacks lactase, the enzyme used to break down

>lactose,

>making it difficult for the person to digest milk).

>

>Very few allegies are life threatening, and you need to have at least one

>exposure to a substance before you can have an allergic reaction. So if you

>haven't been stung by a bee before - don't worry - you're not going to die the

>first time it happens. Any type I allergic reaction is also referred to as

>anaphylaxis, but it is when your whole system reacts severely that it is

>called

>anaphylactic shock (ie, when you actually go into shock - that's when you need

>the epi-pen).

>

>

,

Thanks for these definitions. All I can say is, boy am I

confused! Shellfish and Ibueprofen cause anaphalactic shock, we suspect

aspirin will as well because of an early vomitting experience after which I

refused to ever take aspirin again. (I was 11 or 12 at the time.) Anyway,

I also have lots of other allergies, like the mold, wheat, animal, and

other " common " allergies. I'm just trying to figure out ways to reduce my

allergies through other methods besides suppression. I don't think I'll

ever even try to get rid of my ibueprofen allergy because they are so severe.

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the info and help about allergies Sheri, Adrienne, and

cpeter. The reason I was asking is b/c I have three cats and I've never had

allergy symptoms b/f (had them for about 5 yrs. and have been around pets

all my life) but I'm just wondering if maybe I've developed an allergy to

them somehow. I don't want to give them away and I was wondering if I would

be able to be treated homeopathically to not be allergic to them if I am

allergic to them. I just found out today I'm pregnant and I want to stop

having these health problems so I can make sure I'm happy and healthy for my

baby on the way.

[Guest guest]

At 09:01 PM 12/02/2000 -0600, you wrote:

>Thanks for all the info and help about allergies Sheri, Adrienne, and

>cpeter. The reason I was asking is b/c I have three cats and I've never had

>allergy symptoms b/f (had them for about 5 yrs. and have been around pets

>all my life) but I'm just wondering if maybe I've developed an allergy to

>them somehow. I don't want to give them away and I was wondering if I would

>be able to be treated homeopathically to not be allergic to them if I am

>allergic to them. I just found out today I'm pregnant and I want to stop

>having these health problems so I can make sure I'm happy and healthy for my

>baby on the way.

Congratulations !

Sounds like a good time to do homeopathy! And I bet those allergies will

disappear.

Don't give the cats away yet!

Sheri

>

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530-272-7306

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women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

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[Guest guest]

Adrienne wrote:

>

> Thanks for these definitions. All I can say is, boy am I

> confused! Shellfish and Ibueprofen cause anaphalactic shock, we suspect

> aspirin will as well because of an early vomitting experience after which I

> refused to ever take aspirin again. (I was 11 or 12 at the time.) Anyway,

> I also have lots of other allergies, like the mold, wheat, animal, and

> other " common " allergies. I'm just trying to figure out ways to reduce my

> allergies through other methods besides suppression. I don't think I'll

> ever even try to get rid of my ibueprofen allergy because they are so severe.

I don't know much about " getting rid of " allergies homeopathically - perhaps

someone else can help you out with that. However, from a purely

biological/medical

standpoint, you can't really " get rid of " allergies, b/c your body has made

antibodies to specific allergens. Allopathically, of course, you can suppress

these reactions, either through OTC drugs or by getting allergy shots (which I

wouldn't recommend at all!). And I do know it's possible for allergies to

become

less severe over time - I guess the body just adjusts - I don't know the precise

physiological mechanism of that. You'd have to find out from one of the

homeopaths

on the list if homeopathy can actually " remove " the anibodies, or if it helps

change the immune response in some way so the reaction isn't so pronounced - but

that I think would be similar to suppression. Just not coming into contact with

the allergens would do the trick - b/c then there's nothing for those

circulating

antibodies to respond to - but as we all know sometimes that's easier said than

done.

>

>

[Guest guest]

, I don't know if you missed my posts on this, but there is an oriental

technique called NAET (www.naet.com) which appears to have cured me of my

allergy to my cats. You might want to look into it. Sandy

[Guest guest]

>>Congratulations !

Sounds like a good time to do homeopathy! And I bet those allergies will

disappear.

Don't give the cats away yet!

Sheri<<

Thanks Sheri! I contacted Helen Cohen but haven't heard back from her yet.

My biggest concern is my blocked nose/difficulty breathing b/c I wanted to

make sure my unborn baby gets enough oxygen to grow and be healthy inside of

me. I really hope Helen can help me out. I also wanted to have a homebirth

this time around, but unfortunately there are no midwives in Windsor and I

don't want to travel away from home to give birth b/c that kind of defeats

the purposes I have for wanting to have a homebirth.

[Guest guest]

>>, I don't know if you missed my posts on this, but there is an

oriental

technique called NAET (www.naet.com) which appears to have cured me of my

allergy to my cats. You might want to look into it. Sandy<<

I read quite a bit about NAET but one thing I read is that some ppl NAET got

rid of the problem they were being treated for but they developed a new

problem and they had to be treated for that etc. etc. I think one mom said

that it got rid of her son's allergies but then he started having Obssessive

Compulsive Disorder symptoms. I personally would rather have allergies than

OCD any day so I kind of steered away from reading about NAET after that.

Thanks for the suggestion though. I'm sure it works for a lot of ppl, I'm

just scared of getting rid of one prob only to have another one start up

that wasn't there b/f.

:-)

[Guest guest]

, Thanks for letting me know what you've heard about NAET. It could be

a coincidence, or it could be that, as is true with many health problems,

when you peel the layers, other things which need to be dealt with appear.

But I have no idea whether there is a genuine problem - I have had none

myself, thankfully. Good luck with whatever is going on. Sandy

[Guest guest]

At 07:42 PM 12/03/2000 -0600, you wrote:

>>>, I don't know if you missed my posts on this, but there is an

>oriental

>technique called NAET (www.naet.com) which appears to have cured me of my

>allergy to my cats. You might want to look into it. Sandy<<

>

>I read quite a bit about NAET but one thing I read is that some ppl NAET got

>rid of the problem they were being treated for but they developed a new

>problem and they had to be treated for that etc. etc. I think one mom said

>that it got rid of her son's allergies but then he started having Obssessive

>Compulsive Disorder symptoms. I personally would rather have allergies than

>OCD any day so I kind of steered away from reading about NAET after that.

>Thanks for the suggestion though. I'm sure it works for a lot of ppl, I'm

>just scared of getting rid of one prob only to have another one start up

>that wasn't there b/f.

>

> :-)

I don't know anything about NAET but the above sounds like suppression. We

see it all the time when you use a drug to get rid of a symptom, the

symptom, goes away but worse symptoms come. You have just interfered with

the vital force's way of dissipating the disturbance - the symptom. You

also see it if the wrong homeopathic remedy is used sometimes. Anything

can suppress.

Sheri

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530-272-7306

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" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

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[Guest guest]

Sheri, I'm not sure it's fair to characterize what is going on with NAET as

suppression when a) we aren't even sure there is a connection between the

NAETs and the alleged consequence, if there is a connection, the reason

for the connection is not understood, and c) there is no understanding of

the mechanism operating with NAET. To me it's important to keep an open

mind.

NAET is based on the notion that the brain is the boss of the body, and that

" allergies " are a misinterpretation by the brain (for some unknown reason)

that something harmless or even beneficial is harmful. Many of us believe

that there is much to be learned from oriental medicine, and it is based on

reprogramming the brain by clearing the meridians of the brain's false

characterization of the substance and substituting a benign interpretation

of the substance with the former over-reaction to it.

While it is possible that suppression is the reason, if the theoretical

explanation is reasonable as to why NAET works, that might not be the

explanation. A plausable alternative explanation might be that the things

that are showing up after NAET were, but no longer are being, suppressed.

If that were the case, it would be good that NAET was uncovering them, and

they could hopefully be dealt with as well.

Knock on wood, but I was having serious escalating allergies, including

swelling of my body in various places, including my tongue, lip, and some

involvement of my throat, all at different times. When I finally started it

I was having something happen every couple of weeks. It helped me identify

the culprits and, I believe, cure me of my allergic reaction to them. The

last incident was in February. I intend to work on the rest of my

allergies, but I was going twice a week for 6 months and stopped this summer

for a break. It is quite intense.

Interestingly, until I started, every time I had swelling it was on my left

side. When the left side of my tongue swelled up, I went to my naturopath,

and was given two different homeopathics to try. The first made things

worse. The second (lachesis) immediately worked, and I was told that its

working would provide a very interesting clue about what was going on. It's

significance could at least partly be attributed to the fact that it works

on things happening on the left side! In the materia medica, there was some

mention of, so I wondered if there was some underlying problem with an early

vaccine (I really don't know if I had it as a child, but probably had DT way

back as an adult.) I was muscle-tested for DPT vaccine and found to be weak

to it. I don't know if that was the problem, however, because when I had

earlier treated for my sugar allergy, for the first time I had a reaction on

the right side, and it was only hives, not swelling.

I was very skeptical, in fact, it took things getting quite serious for me

to try it. (I knew about it for years.) I have remained skeptical, but

amazed at how well it has worked, at least for me.

That's my one cent worth. Sandy

[Guest guest]

Terry and Hagerty wrote:

> Thanks Sheri! I contacted Helen Cohen but haven't heard back from her yet.

> My biggest concern is my blocked nose/difficulty breathing b/c I wanted to

> make sure my unborn baby gets enough oxygen to grow and be healthy inside of

> me. I really hope Helen can help me out. I also wanted to have a homebirth

> this time around, but unfortunately there are no midwives in Windsor

Have you contacted the midwives in Sarnia. I'm sorry - I don't know how away

from you they are. Their catchment area is Sarnia & surrounding area, Lambton

and Kent county. I guerss they'd be too far for you to have a homebirth. Their

#, in case you do need it, is 519-337-2229. It really sucks that there's no one

in Windsor - hopefully soon as more of us graduate. Congrats on your pregnancy

and good luck with your birth plans.

>

[Guest guest]

At 05:55 PM 12/03/2000 -0900, you wrote:

>Sheri, I'm not sure it's fair to characterize what is going on with NAET as

>suppression when a) we aren't even sure there is a connection between the

>NAETs and the alleged consequence, if there is a connection, the reason

>for the connection is not understood, and c) there is no understanding of

>the mechanism operating with NAET. To me it's important to keep an open

>mind.

>

That's what I said -

" I don't know anything about NAET but the above sounds like suppression. "

What she is describing sound like suppression - whether from the NAET or

not, I don't have any idea. But the progression of symptoms from

allergices to OCD is definitely the disturbance going deeper and showing up

in a more serious way, as a more serious disturbance. This is what happens

in suppression. In cure, the symptoms decrease or stop change to a more

superficial layer .

>While it is possible that suppression is the reason, if the theoretical

>explanation is reasonable as to why NAET works, that might not be the

>explanation. A plausable alternative explanation might be that the things

>that are showing up after NAET were, but no longer are being, suppressed.

>If that were the case, it would be good that NAET was uncovering them, and

>they could hopefully be dealt with as well.

I can't speak about NAET at all, but when lesser symptoms disappear such as

allergies and a more serious disturbance appears it is not the direction

that is cure and that determines whether it is good or bad. If there was

OCD and then that went away and there were allergies suddenly, the would be

a sign of a cure in progress. Going from a deeper, more disturbed

situation to a lesser one - emotional/mental symptoms are some of the

deepest disturbances and allergies are lesser. Only if it goes that

direction is it positive for any type of treatment. The patient is getting

worse if they go from allergies to OCD.

>

>Knock on wood, but I was having serious escalating allergies, including

>swelling of my body in various places, including my tongue, lip, and some

>involvement of my throat, all at different times. When I finally started it

>I was having something happen every couple of weeks. It helped me identify

>the culprits and, I believe, cure me of my allergic reaction to them. The

>last incident was in February. I intend to work on the rest of my

>allergies, but I was going twice a week for 6 months and stopped this summer

>for a break. It is quite intense.

>

>Interestingly, until I started, every time I had swelling it was on my left

>side. When the left side of my tongue swelled up, I went to my naturopath,

>and was given two different homeopathics to try. The first made things

>worse. The second (lachesis) immediately worked, and I was told that its

>working would provide a very interesting clue about what was going on. It's

>significance could at least partly be attributed to the fact that it works

>on things happening on the left side!

Just my opinion but a fuller picture needs to be taken - giving you 2

homeopathics to try isn't the best way to do it in my opinion.

There is way more to a lachesis picture than left side. I tried to treat

myself for leftsided migraines with lachesis (also fit a lot of the other

pictures of lachesis) but it still was the wrong remedy and I actually

started to " prove " lachesis - which means produce the symptoms of lachesis

in my body - more than just the headaches. It may be the remedy for you

and it may not. Unless the naturopath was trained for YEARS in homeopathy,

they really are dabbling mostly and that just doesn't work for chronic things.

In the materia medica, there was some

>mention of, so I wondered if there was some underlying problem with an early

>vaccine (I really don't know if I had it as a child, but probably had DT way

>back as an adult.) I was muscle-tested for DPT vaccine and found to be weak

>to it. I don't know if that was the problem, however, because when I had

>earlier treated for my sugar allergy, for the first time I had a reaction on

>the right side, and it was only hives, not swelling.

Don't know as I don't really put a lot of stock in muscle testing to

determine remedies - the deepest picture. It appears that muscle testing,

if it works, only shows superficial layers.

>

>I was very skeptical, in fact, it took things getting quite serious for me

>to try it. (I knew about it for years.) I have remained skeptical, but

>amazed at how well it has worked, at least for me.

>

Glad it has worked for you. As long as you haven't gone the wrong

direction and had new and deeper and more serious symptoms come up.

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

, Have you considered or heard of a natty pot? It is a porcelain

devide that you put salt and water into and drain it through your nostrils.

It really helps to open up nasal passages.

If you go to a naturopath, they should be able to tell you about it and how

to use it. Sandy

[Guest guest]

>>Also, when I was pregnant with my first, I was the healthiest that 9

months

than I ever had been in my entire life! It was amazing. This pregnancy is

not quite as healthy (caught several colds already). Anyway, I just

thought I'd share that just because you have health issues does not mean

they'll be worse or affect your pregnancy. I know a lot of medical

professionals and pregnancy books get overactive on those thoughts, but I

experienced a wonderfully healthy pregnancy my first time.

Adrienne<<

My main concern is that I feel I can't breath properly and my nose is

blocked somewhat all the time. I just want to make sure my baby is getting

all the oxygen he/she needs. I can put up with the other health probs if I

have to but that is the one I most want to get taken care of and if it means

giving my cats away I will. But don't worry I'm not jumping the gun, I

won't be seriously considering it until after Christmas anyway.

[Guest guest]

At 02:17 PM 12/04/2000 -0600, you wrote:

>>>Also, when I was pregnant with my first, I was the healthiest that 9

>months

>than I ever had been in my entire life! It was amazing. This pregnancy is

>not quite as healthy (caught several colds already). Anyway, I just

>thought I'd share that just because you have health issues does not mean

>they'll be worse or affect your pregnancy. I know a lot of medical

>professionals and pregnancy books get overactive on those thoughts, but I

>experienced a wonderfully healthy pregnancy my first time.

>

>Adrienne<<

>

>My main concern is that I feel I can't breath properly and my nose is

>blocked somewhat all the time. I just want to make sure my baby is getting

>all the oxygen he/she needs. I can put up with the other health probs if I

>have to but that is the one I most want to get taken care of and if it means

>giving my cats away I will. But don't worry I'm not jumping the gun, I

>won't be seriously considering it until after Christmas anyway.

>

>

, if you are getting enough oxygen, so is your baby. It is

uncomfortable for you to breathe I'm sure, but you are still getting enough

oxygen or you would pass out or have serious problems. So your baby is

getting enough oxygen too. I wouldn't worry about that.

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

At 12:45 PM 12/4/00 -0800, you wrote:

>At 02:17 PM 12/04/2000 -0600, you wrote:

> >>>Also, when I was pregnant with my first, I was the healthiest that 9

> >months

> >than I ever had been in my entire life! It was amazing. This pregnancy is

> >not quite as healthy (caught several colds already). Anyway, I just

> >thought I'd share that just because you have health issues does not mean

> >they'll be worse or affect your pregnancy. I know a lot of medical

> >professionals and pregnancy books get overactive on those thoughts, but I

> >experienced a wonderfully healthy pregnancy my first time.

> >

> >Adrienne<<

> >

I lost the message, but there was a reply that just because I didn't get

sick doesn't mean I was healthy. As someone who is quite often ill and has

been since their were a small baby, I am pretty familiar with my body, how

it works, and what is wrong. I've been known to go to the emergency room

and tell them exactly what is wrong and what has previously been done to

help. I am very good at seeing through bs from doctors and others

concerning my health.

I understand quite well that just because you aren't sick doesn't mean you

are healthy. However, when I say I was the healthiest I ever was when I

was pregnant the first time, I really was. I was vibrant and felt well

physically, emotionally, and spiritually. I was eating well, getting quite

a bit of exercise, and in a very loving relationship. All the keys to

health and happiness were in my hand. So, I was quite healthy.

I compared that pregnancy to this pregnancy because I have not been healthy

this pregnancy. The time of year probably has a lot to do with it, I was

due in summer, this time I'm due in spring. I also have a toddler and had

weight loss at the beginning. I've been fatigued and gotten more colds

than normal. I haven't felt healthy. There have been other stress factors

as well.

I'm just sharing this because people do know their bodies and do know when

they are healthy and when they are not, usually.

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

...I have allergies also, but when I was pregnant with my son it was SO

exacerbated!!! I could not breathe at all through my nose for the first 4-5

months of my pregnancy. Is it possible that you are so congested and your

allergies are so bad BECAUSE you are pregnant? It went away after I had my

son...Sharon

Re: Allergies and Homeopathy

> >>Also, when I was pregnant with my first, I was the healthiest that 9

> months

> than I ever had been in my entire life! It was amazing. This pregnancy

is

> not quite as healthy (caught several colds already). Anyway, I just

> thought I'd share that just because you have health issues does not mean

> they'll be worse or affect your pregnancy. I know a lot of medical

> professionals and pregnancy books get overactive on those thoughts, but I

> experienced a wonderfully healthy pregnancy my first time.

>

> Adrienne<<

>

> My main concern is that I feel I can't breath properly and my nose is

> blocked somewhat all the time. I just want to make sure my baby is

getting

> all the oxygen he/she needs. I can put up with the other health probs if

I

> have to but that is the one I most want to get taken care of and if it

means

> giving my cats away I will. But don't worry I'm not jumping the gun, I

> won't be seriously considering it until after Christmas anyway.

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