Re: The Vaccine Industry is very fearful of so many websites.

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Hi everybody! Why is 100% vaccination coverage necessary? The so-called

experts always note that the vaccinated will then get the diseases. Well,

do the vaccines work or not?

They will then say that they don't always work, so everyone has to be

vaccinated in order to achieve " herd immunity " . Oh, so people who don't want

to vaccinate their children must do so because the vaccines don't always

work. Hmmm.

Add to that the fact that outbreaks have occurred in 100% vaccinated

populations and you start to get the picture. And it's one big holy mess.

I'm getting grouchy. Sandy

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Here is the article that you mention:

http://www.post-gazette.com/healthscience/20001031himmunize2.asp

A shot in the arm for childhood vaccines

Tuesday, October 31, 2000

By Virginia Linn, Post-Gazette Staff Writer

Immunization programs have virtually eliminated the threat of serious

infectious diseases in children.

So much, in fact, that young parents today have little idea what it was like

when rampant fear of polio closed public swimming pools and churches and

ostracized families of polio patients. Or when everyone got measles or

whooping cough, which resulted in hundreds of deaths and complications each

year.

Before vaccinations

Many childhood diseases have been overcome so successfully with vaccines

that the damage they can inflict has been almost forgotten. Here is a

reminder.

In a paradox, a growing backlash against vaccinations has emerged, fueled by

parent groups that question their safety and validity. Public health

officials fear these concerns have become so widespread that they could

discourage families from having their children immunized, sparking outbreaks

of preventable diseases.

National public health officials yesterday announced creation of the

National Network for Immunization Information to step up education and

provide scientifically supported information about the value and safety of

current vaccines. The privately funded network will provide a resource kit

for doctors, as well as information to consumers on a Web site,

www.immunizationinfo.org.

The network, based in Chicago, is partnered with the Infectious Diseases

Society of America, the Pediatric Infectious Diseases Society, the American

Academy of Pediatrics and the American Nurses Association.

Dr. Bruce G. Gellin, the network's executive director, co-authored a report

appearing in the November issue of Pediatrics that found that while most

parents agreed that immunizations were " extremely important, " one in four

parents have important misconceptions.

For example, 25 percent believed that their child's immune system could

become weakened by too many immunizations (not true) and 23 percent believed

that children get more immunizations than are good for them (also not true).

" The reason that our project got started was because we kept hearing from

pediatricians, family physicians and nurses across the country about an

increasing number of people questioning the value of vaccinations, " said

Gellin in a telephone interview.

Consumers have become more sophisticated and want more information, he said,

" in part because the diseases that the vaccines prevent are no longer part

of the community. "

Since 1997, safety-related calls to the national immunization hot line of

the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have increased considerably.

Recent media attention has focused on allegations of unsubstantiated vaccine

risks and a number of Web sites question the value of immunizations.

The latest study by the CDC shows that national vaccination levels for

routinely recommended childhood vaccines are at the highest levels ever for

children aged 2, although these rates vary considerably among states and

urban areas.

In Allegheny County last year, 99.2 percent of the children entering school

had had all of the immunizations required by the state and county --

diphtheria, tetanus, polio, hepatitis B, measles, mumps and rubella.

Pertussis, or whooping cough, is recommended.

The Jewish Healthcare Foundation of Pittsburgh, concerned about preserving

the local immunization program and improving information to Western

Pennsylvania doctors, provided a $20,000 grant to help support the network,

which also is backed by the Wood Foundation.

" There's no doubt that, looking at the epidemiological evidence,

immunization does enormous good, " said Wolk Feinstein, Jewish

Healthcare Foundation president. She said the foundation was worried that " a

few loud voices " of dissent could jeopardize the program.

Indeed, misconceptions about vaccines can be devastating.

Gellin, an internist on the faculty at Vanderbilt University School of

Medicine in Nashville, Tenn., said an 11-month-year-old girl was treated in

the intensive care unit there this past summer for Haemophilus influenzae

Type b, or Hib, the most common cause of bacterial meningitis in U.S.

children before a vaccine was introduced in December 1987.

The child's mother had heard the vaccine was unsafe and didn't have her

daughter immunized. Although the child survived, the illness and risk to the

child's health could have been prevented.

The network's Web site gives tips to consumers on how to evaluate

vaccination information. As the mother of the 11-month-old daughter said to

Gellin: " It's easy to be informed. It's hard to be well informed. "

The immunization program has become so large and complicated that some

doctors haven't been adequately prepared to address their patients' concern

about safety. And many doctors haven't seen the diseases first hand.

Gellin recently gave a lecture about measles to first-year medical students.

Nobody had seen a measles case.

" There's not a more contagious germ on the planet, " said Gellin, who

recalled an outbreak of 55,000 cases just 10 years ago in the United States.

" When measles show up in the community, it just takes off. "

The largest group that opposes the required vaccines is the National Vaccine

Information Center in Vienna, Va., which was founded in 1982 by parents who

claimed their children were injured by or died from vaccine reactions. Its

Web site posts pictures of children, accompanied by family testimonials

about the claimed injuries.

Some of the most prevalent misconceptions -- that some vaccinations trigger

autism or cause Sudden Infant Death Syndrome -- are scientifically

unfounded, doctors say. Most vaccine side effects are minor, such as a sore

arm or mild fever.

Still, there were problems with some older vaccines. Side effects associated

with an earlier version of the pertussis whole cell vaccine prompted passage

of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act in 1986, which created a

federal vaccine injury compensation program in 1988.

And Rotashield, a vaccine for childhood diarrhea, was pulled off the market

in 1999 after one year because it caused dangerous bowel obstruction in

infants.

The CDC also has the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, which takes

complaints about vaccines so they can be improved.

" A child is far more likely to be seriously injured by one of these diseases

than by any vaccine, " according to the CDC. " The benefits of these vaccines

greatly outweigh the slight risk. "

List Owner of Vaccinations and Vaccine Info

www.geocities.com/mom2q (my work in progress!)

Mom of two great kids who are vaccine free!

There is a large article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette this morning about

the fact that " parents are unduly frightened of vaccines for their kids " . It

goes on to say that vaccines are wonderful and parents should listen to

their pediatricians and immunize their children according to the schedule of

the CDC recommendations. It gives their website as a source to quiet the

parents' fears. It says that last year there was a 99.2% compliance of

immunizations in Allegheny, but that 100% is necessary.

I ask, " why? " Why are they worried about the .8%? I'll tell you " why? " .

There are many more then just .8% who are not vaccinating. They don't want

to admit that. And I am sure that there are a much larger percent who are

questioning why all of the vaccines are necessary. Those questions are

especially due to the RotoShield vaccine being pulled due to bowel

obstructions and the death of 7 infants who were vaccinated with this live

monkey viruses for diarrhea. Another due to the fact that mercury is in

these vaccines and just now they are manufacturing them without that heavy

metal. There are parents questioning why their children are not receiving

the vaccines without the mercury and given some lame excuse that " Mercury is

not all that bad because it is such a minute amount " . Then the parents ask

about the FDA's recall of tuna due to minute amounts of Mercury in the

flesh. This brings on a real fear by the MD who does not know what to tell

the patient.

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I mentioned on another list our recent decision not to vaccinate (it's an

" open " AP list - everybody follows " basic " AP, but may or may not lean

towards " natural parenting " ). Anyway, I got some responses of " what are

you going to do when she goes to school?! " and, " Dr. Sears is the founding

father of AP and he recommends vaccination, why should we questions it? "

But I also had one mom who had long ago decided not to vaccinate support

me, another mom who is questioning it herself ask for some extra info, and

one mom had never considered not vaccinating and decided to start

researching it! That wasn't my intention, but at least now this mom will

be informed in her choices.

I mostly come across parents who have never done research. I used to

defend vaccination, but I hadn't done any research, not until my daughter

was 9 months old and we were asked about recommended but not mandatory

prevnar and chicken pox. That's when I slowly started to come

around. Anyway, you'll always have people who are not open to change. And

then you have people who consider good parenting to be researching new

issues and determining the best route for your family.

Anyway, that's my rambling.

Adrienne

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At 11:40 AM 11/1/00 -0500, you wrote:

> >>>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Adrienne [mailto:adrienne@...]

>

> and, " Dr. Sears is the founding

>father of AP and he recommends vaccination, why should we questions it? " >>>

>

>Although I think Dr. Sears makes some good points, I have to wonder why,

>though, someone (or anyone) would take everything one person says a gospel.

>

>If you look back through this century at the things that parents were told

>to do to raise their children you would understand why you would question

>the latest *expert*.

>

>

Oh, I know. But I find the person who said that to be particularly thick

and tend to ignore all her responses anyway.

Adrienne

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I'm so tired of the old Polo scare. Every time I try to tell someone about the possible dangers of vaccination, the number one response is ... I can still remember when people had to worry about contracting Polo..... and then they sing the praises of our modern vaccination movement.

Everything I've been able to dig up says that polio was already on the decline before the vaccine was ever introduced but the figures were manipulated. This really makes me mad because it's the only thing that stands out in the minds of those who are pro-vaccine and they won't even keep an open mind. I would never attempt to convince a parent not to vaccinate their precious little one, but it's imperative that parents are at least made aware of the dangers so that an informed consent can be made, not based on blind trust.

It is so frustrating to me. Has anyone else experienced this as well?

Annette

Good parents make informed decisions concerning their children's health, education and well being.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

-----Original Message-----From: Levy [mailto:1levy1@...]Mom2Q wrote>> So much, in fact, that young parents today have little idea what it was like> when rampant fear of polio closed public swimming pools and churches and> ostracized families of polio patients.And parents of the "old days" had no idea what it was like to have epidemics ofautism, learning disabilities, allergies, neurological problems, eczema,diabetes, other autoimmune diseases, MS, etc, etc, etc. Anybody care to add tothis list?

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>>>

-----Original Message-----

From: Adrienne [mailto:adrienne@...]

and, " Dr. Sears is the founding

father of AP and he recommends vaccination, why should we questions it? " >>>

Although I think Dr. Sears makes some good points, I have to wonder why,

though, someone (or anyone) would take everything one person says a gospel.

If you look back through this century at the things that parents were told

to do to raise their children you would understand why you would question

the latest *expert*.

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Mom2Q wrote

>

> So much, in fact, that young parents today have little idea what it was like

> when rampant fear of polio closed public swimming pools and churches and

> ostracized families of polio patients.

And parents of the " old days " had no idea what it was like to have epidemics of

autism, learning disabilities, allergies, neurological problems, eczema,

diabetes, other autoimmune diseases, MS, etc, etc, etc. Anybody care to add to

this list?

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