Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 For the record please realize my sounding off on religious exemptions was in response to what I've been reading over the last several months. I was (as is so typical with me) several days behind in my e-mail. My post was by no means intended as an attack on any individual who requested religious exemption information in the last few days (esp. as I didn't know any were posted.) Please do however, take my first post as encouragement to stand up for your rights with confidence, after all, ...they are your rights. They ARE your rights. They are YOUR rights. They are your RIGHTS. Use them! :-) Cheryl~~who's found if she exudes confidence and authority paper pushers don't even consider challenging her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 At 07:47 AM 10/17/2000 -0400, you wrote: >For the record please realize my sounding off on religious >exemptions was in response to what I've been reading >over the last several months. I was (as is so typical with >me) several days behind in my e-mail. My post was by >no means intended as an attack on any individual who >requested religious exemption information in the last few >days (esp. as I didn't know any were posted.) Please do >however, take my first post as encouragement to stand up >for your rights with confidence, after all, ...they are your >rights. >They ARE your rights. >They are YOUR rights. >They are your RIGHTS. >Use them! :-) > >Cheryl~~who's found if she exudes confidence and >authority paper pushers don't even consider challenging >her. > Amen Sister. That has worked for me! Here's a good way to live your live " It is better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission " Sheri > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 Sheri and all those who helped me out with school exemptions for vaccinations, I spoke with a mom-friend who is not vaccinating her son at all. She is here in Nebraska and had to get the exemption for home day-care. Nebraska has all 3 medical, religious, and personal exemptions and it's all in the same paragraph on the form so that you don't have to specify which one you are taking. She's going to bring me the form next week. It needs to be signed an notarized. I won't be doing anything with it and will check to be sure it is still current before I enroll nn in school, but it is nice to know this information. Thanks for all your help. Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2000 Report Share Posted October 17, 2000 Thanks for updating us. Sheri At 06:42 PM 10/17/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Sheri and all those who helped me out with school exemptions for vaccinations, > >I spoke with a mom-friend who is not vaccinating her son at all. She is >here in Nebraska and had to get the exemption for home day-care. Nebraska >has all 3 medical, religious, and personal exemptions and it's all in the >same paragraph on the form so that you don't have to specify which one you >are taking. She's going to bring me the form next week. It needs to be >signed an notarized. I won't be doing anything with it and will check to >be sure it is still current before I enroll nn in school, but it is >nice to know this information. Thanks for all your help. > >Adrienne > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2000 Report Share Posted December 11, 2000 from www.mercola.com Nearly ALL Children Can Qualify for the Religious Vaccine Exemption There are, I believe, 19 states that currently allow a philosophical objection to vaccinations for school admission. Thanks to the incredible groups like the National Vaccine Information Center, it is likely more states may be added. Texas is likely to make the total 20 in the near future. However, 48 states (all but Mississippi and West Virginia) allow for a religious exemption. There has been a supreme court ruling on this issue which provides broad interpretation of the meaning of religious exemption. A parent's religious " beliefs " are sufficient to qualify for the religious exemption. The " belief " is defined as a faith that occupies a place in their lives parallel to that held by the orthodox belief in God or any sincere religious beliefs which are based upon a power or being to which all else is subordinate and on which all else is ultimately dependent They qualify if they believe that not giving the vaccines is what they must do to follow God's will for them in fulfilling their role as responsible parents. Their child's immune system is a creation of God and that God has given their child and that to vaccinate would violate their faith in what God created. The parents do NOT have to be part of a recognized religious organization. You don't have to join any church, you can be any religion at all. But if they are a part of an established religion (Catholic, Protestant, Islam, etc.) they can still have their own perceptions of what it means to follow God's will which may be counter to what that organization states. The case is established with legal precedent at the US Supreme Court level. (United States Supreme Court in Sharon Levy vs. Northcourt cases) The important rule here is that if a school district denies religious exemption they are violating your federally protected civil rights under the first amendment by what is called state action and under federal law you are entitle to money damages. You can review one of the cases that helped set this law by clicking here. Filenbaum, Attorney at Law, Presented at the 2nd International Vaccine Conference -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Dr. Mercola: Excellent post on this touchy subject. We have 11 children and none of them have ever had any problems with the school systems about not being vaccinated. I believe that too many people want to be argumentative with the bureaucracy and too intensive in their denials. That is what gets them into trouble. All the bureaucrat wants is a piece of paper so their paperwork is correct. I tell everyone who asks to find out who it is who is responsible for tracking vaccination/immunization - typically the county health department. They will usually have a form, or ask you to simply write out your request for religious exemption. Then on the sheet they should write: Due to my deeply held religious belief I hereby claim exemption from immunization for my son/daughter (name). Signed. Too many people want to argue the point, and I have found that the more you give them the more you threaten their status at the health department. Therefore, a simple statement as above is more than sufficient, does not ruffle feathers, and gets the job done. Dr. von s, NMD, PhD President, Georgia State Naturopathic Medical Association ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2000 Report Share Posted December 16, 2000 I hope you are right about Texas allowing a philosophical exemption soon. Have they taken a poll of the legislators here? I responded to Dawn request to call the representatives of our district, and that time the offices said they hadn't received many calls of this nature if any. I urge all Texans to poll their representatives and educate them about the controversy and potential risks to some infants and children, and to encourage them to sponsor or support a concientious exemption in Texas. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 In a message dated 1/26/01 11:10:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, candylanell@... writes: << Hi, I was wondering, in some states they allow only religious exemptions which are from an "Organized" religion, in Missouri there were 13 religions that are recognized, does anyone know which religions are against Vaccines? S far I have heard that jahovas witness, and church of christian science are against them, is that right? does anyone know of the rest of them? just trying to gain some insight, thanks in advance! (also, if no one knows, but could point me in the right direction as to how to learn, links, books, ect..., thanks again!) >> Read this =) http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/10/vaccine_exemption.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 In a message dated 1/27/01 3:15:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, ietinc@... writes: I know that Church of Christian Scientists don't vaccinate, because I looked into it myself. The only problem with claiming a certain religion though is, if you're taking a child to the doc at all, you can't really claim CS because they don't believe in any medical help whatsoever (ie: doctors, etc). You just have to be very careful, I mean, there are so many religions in this world, no one can really try to make you prove what you are and how you believe anyway, right? KWIM? =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 I know that Church of Christian Scientists don't vaccinate, because I looked into it myself. You can check out their web at www.churchofchristianscientists.com ... Sharon, Quakertown PA Religious Exemptions > Hi, I was wondering, in some states they allow only religious > exemptions which are from an " Organized " religion, in Missouri there > were 13 religions that are recognized, does anyone know which > religions are against Vaccines? S far I have heard that jahovas > witness, and church of christian science are against them, is that > right? does anyone know of the rest of them? just trying to gain some > insight, thanks in advance! (also, if no one knows, but could point > me in the right direction as to how to learn, links, books, ect..., > thanks again!) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 Sorry wrong adress..it is www.christianscience.com ... Sharon, Quakertown PA Religious Exemptions > Hi, I was wondering, in some states they allow only religious > exemptions which are from an " Organized " religion, in Missouri there > were 13 religions that are recognized, does anyone know which > religions are against Vaccines? S far I have heard that jahovas > witness, and church of christian science are against them, is that > right? does anyone know of the rest of them? just trying to gain some > insight, thanks in advance! (also, if no one knows, but could point > me in the right direction as to how to learn, links, books, ect..., > thanks again!) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 This is WAY GOOD advice, because if you state a certain religion, like Church of Christian Scientists, etc., you have to realize that they don't use ANY medications... Sharon, Quakertown PA Re: Religious Exemptions In a message dated 1/26/01 11:21:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, GeekGoddessMama@... writes: http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/10/vaccine_exemption.htm as far as i know, you should get a copy of your state law and just copy the section pertaining to your right to claim a religiuos exemption. DO NOT state what religion you belong to, as you do not need to. who is any school employee to decide if your religion is any more correct or worthy than another religion?! think of it that way--people can't pick and choose what religions are "allowed" to be correct for you or anyone else. religion is a VERY personal thing--keep it that way. just copy the law and that's that. the more information you give them, the more they can try to trip you up or try to use other statements in the law to deny you... brigit, in albany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 In a message dated 1/27/01 12:52:58 PM, bluheron@... writes: << lso, I was asked by the superintendent of my sons school, if I belonged to one of those " paper religions " so they are looking for the Christian Scientists and " those " religions. >> Can I ask you how you answered them? Did you just say no and leave it at that or give a little bit more info? <sigh> the one good thing about being in DE was they had an easy exemption, being in NY with them taking children away is scaring me. Does anyone know if these parents had claimed exemptions that were ignored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 Also, I was asked by the superintendent of my sons school, if I belonged to one of those "paper religions" so they are looking for the Christian Scientists and "those" religions. Hornell, NY Re: Religious Exemptions In a message dated 1/26/01 11:21:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, GeekGoddessMama@... writes: http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/10/vaccine_exemption.htm as far as i know, you should get a copy of your state law and just copy the section pertaining to your right to claim a religiuos exemption. DO NOT state what religion you belong to, as you do not need to. who is any school employee to decide if your religion is any more correct or worthy than another religion?! think of it that way--people can't pick and choose what religions are "allowed" to be correct for you or anyone else. religion is a VERY personal thing--keep it that way. just copy the law and that's that. the more information you give them, the more they can try to trip you up or try to use other statements in the law to deny you... brigit, in albany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 In a message dated Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:16:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mz@... writes: Yes, their exemptions were ignored as mine was. Many didn't know how to fight it and was forced to vaccinate their children...how horrible. I tried to reach out to parents going through what I was going through in order to assist them. Many just gave in. , NYC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good for you! What a terrifying situation to be in. Were these families all over NY or just in the city? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 In a message dated 1/28/01 1:14:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, DEDOULA@... writes: << In a message dated Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:16:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mz@... writes: Yes, their exemptions were ignored as mine was. Many didn't know how to fight it and was forced to vaccinate their children...how horrible. I tried to reach out to parents going through what I was going through in order to assist them. Many just gave in. , NYC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good for you! What a terrifying situation to be in. Were these families all over NY or just in the city? >> So far I've only heard of cases in New York City (Queens, Staten Island, Brooklyn, etc.), but I'm sure upstate NY has had it's share as with the 77 children in Utica, NY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 The Bible (old testement) is against vaccinations. www.tetrahedron.org ahs a good religious exemption >From: candylanell@... >Reply-Vaccinations >Vaccinations >Subject: Religious Exemptions >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:10:10 -0000 > >Hi, I was wondering, in some states they allow only religious >exemptions which are from an " Organized " religion, in Missouri there >were 13 religions that are recognized, does anyone know which >religions are against Vaccines? S far I have heard that jahovas >witness, and church of christian science are against them, is that >right? does anyone know of the rest of them? just trying to gain some >insight, thanks in advance! (also, if no one knows, but could point >me in the right direction as to how to learn, links, books, ect..., >thanks again!) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 I said it wasn't one of those paper religions and said it was the " Religion " and went into about 20 minutes of explanation, how I thought our bodies were temples and we shouldn't have other animals and chemicals put into our bodies and I myself have never taken any vaccines when I was given the choice. My mother was big on them all. I almost quit a job because of them wanting me to get the Hep B vaccine, but they put down I was afraid of needles.. for me to get out of it. I explained we should have faith in the " powers above " and not put all that crap in our bodies. I just went on and on. Hornell, NY Re: Religious Exemptions > > In a message dated 1/27/01 12:52:58 PM, bluheron@... writes: > > << lso, I was asked by the superintendent of my sons school, if I belonged to > > one of those " paper religions " so they are looking for the Christian > Scientists > > and " those " religions. > > >> > > Can I ask you how you answered them? Did you just say no and leave it at > that or give a little bit more info? <sigh> the one good thing about being > in DE was they had an easy exemption, being in NY with them taking children > away is scaring me. Does anyone know if these parents had claimed exemptions > that were ignored? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Was there ever any proof that the parents were threatened in any of these NY cases with losing their children? I remember that for a time we weren't sure what the real story was. Sandy from Alaska ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Re: Religious Exemptions > In a message dated 1/28/01 1:14:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, DEDOULA@... > writes: > > << In a message dated Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:16:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Mz@... writes: > > > Yes, their exemptions were ignored as mine was. Many didn't know how to > fight it and was forced to vaccinate their children...how horrible. I tried > to reach out to parents going through what I was going through in order to > assist them. Many just gave in. > > , NYC > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Good for you! What a terrifying situation to be in. Were these families > all over NY or just in the city? > >> > > So far I've only heard of cases in New York City (Queens, Staten Island, > Brooklyn, etc.), but I'm sure upstate NY has had it's share as with the 77 > children in Utica, NY. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 In a message dated 1/28/01 2:49:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, sandym@... writes: << Was there ever any proof that the parents were threatened in any of these NY cases with losing their children? I remember that for a time we weren't sure what the real story was. Sandy from Alaska >> Parents all over NYC have been and is being threatened by ACS with removal of their children. I guess the families have court documents to prove it, not to mention hundreds of dollars spent on lawyers. , NYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 My experience with Christian Scientists: During a conversation with one of the members, (about 9 years ago and this was in Virginia) the topic of vax exemptions came up. I was told that they often got officials (not sure what the titles were, Health Department I think) coming in to " check up " on memebers who were claiming religious exemption as members of the church. Apparently, you could not just join and claim them. You had to be a regularly attending, active member of the community for them (the " officials " ) to consider your exemption. Since being on this list, I have of course learned that the rules state otherwise, but this is what they told me. It looks like, even though you are right in your claim, you may still have to fight for it. Katrina _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 It's a state running rampant with extreme left liberals! ha ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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