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In a message dated 9/3/00 12:54:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, touie@...

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<< I am unfortunately returning to work in a

week and have to wean my 10 month old. I still plan on nursing him

morning and night, but I need something that I can give him at the sitters.

I will not be able to pump.

I looked at formula ingredients and didn't

like what I saw: coconut oil + a lot of stuff that I can't pronounce &

have no idea of what it is. Is there a formula or something else

that is healthier for my son than this cr@p!

>>

How long will you be gone from him at a time? How often does he nurse during

the day? You say you can't pump...I'm assuming you mean you can't pump at

work. Would it be possible for you to pump once in the Am, once at night and

try to have a little pu aside that way? Also, he is 10 months...Perhaps you

could give him some solids and juice during the day, and nurse a lot evenings

and weekends.

Unfortunately, there is nothing you can make that would take the place of

breastmilk or any kind of formula. If you are not going to nurse, and you'll

be needing to give formula while gone, that's really the only safe way.

Homemade formulas should not be used. But, as I said, depending on how long

you'll be gone, if he eats any solids and so forth, you may not have to give

any..For example, if you'll be gone 8 hours (figure in drive time also) you

could nurse in the AM, have the sitter give him some veggies or meat for

lunch and a cup of juice (some little snacks in between) and then nurse when

you get back to him.

Good luck.

ha I am unfortunately returning to work in a

week and have to wean my 10 month old. I still plan on nursing him

morning and night, but I need something that I can give him at the sitters.

I will not be able to pump.

I looked at formula ingredients and didn't

like what I saw: coconut oil + a lot of stuff that I can't pronounce &

have no idea of what it is. Is there a formula or something else

that is healthier for my son than this cr@p

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There are no studies that show that formula is any better than cow's milk.

The formula companies would like you to think that there is though. If any

one knows of any studies I'd love to read them. Not that cow's milk is

necessarily a good thing! I just meant that formula isn't any better.

Perhaps he could drink water from a tippy while you are gone. kimme

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There are no studies that show that formula is any better than cow's milk.

The formula companies would like you to think that there is though. If any

one knows of any studies I'd love to read them. Not that cow's milk is

necessarily a good thing! I just meant that formula isn't any better.

Perhaps he could drink water from a tippy while you are gone. kimme

>>

Actually there are. I'll have to dig some up and post them. But really,

formula is the only suitable alternative to breastmilk. I'm FAR from a

formula fan. Never had an ounce of it in the house, and I sent back the free

samples they sent to my house. I Absolutely DO not get any info from them.

Formula is far from perfect but there are a lot of addednutrients and such

that you won't find in cows milk that is a little closer to what the baby

should be getting. Also, remember, babies under 1 should not be given cow's

milk. It is much to hard to digest on top of many other things.

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Here is the ingredient list from a package of Baby's Own Organic Formula,

sold through our health food store. This is supposed to be one of the

healthiest alternative.

Organic Brown Rice Syrup, Organic Nonfat Dry Milk, Organic High Oleic

Sunflower Oil, Organic Soybean Oil, Organic Coconut Oil, Natural Milk

Mineral Concentrate, Calcium Ascorbate (Vit. C), Soy Lecithin, Calcium

Citrate, Natural Flavor, Choline Bitartrate, Ferrous Sulfate, Inositol,

Alpha-Tocopheryl Acetate (Vit.E), Zinc Sulfate, Niacinamide, Calcium

Pantothenate, Vitamin A Palmitate, Thiamin Hydrochloride (Vit. B1), Copper

Sulfate, Riboflavin (Vit. B2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vit. B6), Vitamin

D3, Folic Acid, Manganese Sulfate, Phytonadione (Vit. K), Potassium Iodide,

Biotin, Cyanocobalamin (Vit. B12).

I don't use this (or any other) formula, but I happen to have this sample

that I got through our store.

I am sorry for you and your baby to have to have this break. I am curious as

to your reasons for not being able to pump. Often, I have found, that there

was helpful information out there that I just didn't know about. 10 months

old is so young and there are so many benifits to longer nursing that you

both would be missing out on. I am very happy to know that you still plan to

continue during your together hours. I am sure that there are a number of

people on this board who have a great deal of knowledge in this area who

could help you through this if you would be willing to try pumping. If you

want to email me privately, I can send you a list of wonderfully informative

sites that I have found.

Good luck,

Katrina

>From: " L. " <touie@...>

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>Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 12:52:13 -0400

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>I am unfortunately returning to work in a week and have to wean my 10

>month old. I still plan on nursing him morning and night, but I need

>something that I can give him at the sitters. I will not be able to

>pump.

>

>I looked at formula ingredients and didn't like what I saw: coconut oil

>+ a lot of stuff that I can't pronounce & have no idea of what it is.

>Is there a formula or something else that is healthier for my son than

>this cr@p!

>

> in Toronto

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When we weaned our little girl, we used 2/3 Goat's Milk and 1/3 Rick Milk.

She adjusted to it quite well and we felt good, based on our research,

about giving it to her.

" L." wrote:

I am unfortunately returning to work in

a week and have to wean my 10 month old. I still plan on nursing

him morning and night, but I need something that I can give him at the

sitters. I will not be able to pump.

I looked at formula ingredients and didn't

like what I saw: coconut oil + a lot of stuff that I can't pronounce &

have no idea of what it is. Is there a formula or something else

that is healthier for my son than this cr@p!

in Toronto

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I don't know anything about this product, but if you *had*

to use a formula there is one available that is supposed to

be organic. It's called Baby's Own Organic, hold on I'll

see if they have a web site ...

http://www.babyorganic.com/productinfo.html

HTH!

(in Arkansas)

SAHM to Lucy (May '99)

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- call Jack Newman! His # at Sick Kids is (416) 813-5252.

He also has an e-mail address: newman@.... He was very

helpful to me when my daughter was starting to eat more solids and less

breastmilk, also around 10 months. He told me that Rice Milk was

fine to give her; she could gets fats, protein, etc from other dietary

sources. He is very prompt with his replies and is always happy to

help anyone he can - even those whose babies aren't newborns anymore.

For anyone else with breastfeeding questions, feel free to e-mail Jack

anytime. He is the local breastfeeding guru in our city (yes, he

is a man), and I refer woman to him for breastfeeding problems at least

once a week. There's practically no problem he can't solve!

He has definitely makes the difference between women continuing to breastfeed

and quitting b/c they are so frustrated with whatever they are going through!

Good luck .

" L." wrote:

I am unfortunately returning to work in

a week and have to wean my 10 month old. I still plan on nursing

him morning and night, but I need something that I can give him at the

sitters. I will not be able to pump.

I looked at formula ingredients and didn't

like what I saw: coconut oil + a lot of stuff that I can't pronounce &

have no idea of what it is. Is there a formula or something else

that is healthier for my son than this cr@p!

in Toronto

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Dear ,

I know you've had lots of responses but I wanted to share my experience. I am raising my Grandson, his mother abandoned him at 3 months of age. He had been sickly from birth, she had him on similac formula. As I posted previously I started readying the label, did the math and realized this stuff was horrible for him.

Cow's milk is a unacceptable alternative, as cows are large boned animals and an infant is unable to break down the fats and proteins for absorption. After much research, I found a really old book on substitute formula's and was very happy with the results. Even the Dr. couldn't believe how healthy and alert my Grandson was after only two weeks on the new formula.

Every morning in a blender I would mix. Fresh goats milk about 10 oz.

Enriched rice milk about 6 oz. (give or take on these, I never measured exactly)

1 dropper of Trace Minerals

1 t. liquid Cal/Mag

1 T. Flax seed oil

1 T. Black strap molasses

1/8 t. Brewers Yeast (at least once a week)

1 t. liquid vitamin C (can add more if child is sick)

1 T. liquid acidophilus

More vitamins can be added if needed. Goats milk is the closest thing to mother's own breast milk - it was explained to me that their bone structure is closer to our own therefore the solids are easily broken down. The above formula should fill about 5 or 6 Playtex nursers, refrigerate immediately. Make only enough for one day at a time as the flax seed oil will separate. Watch the Childs stools closely, you will need to adjust the flax seed oil, to avoid constipation or diarrhea.

I could not believe the difference proper nutrition makes in any child.

Of course Breast milk is always best.

Annette M. Hall

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-----Original Message-----From: L. [mailto:touie@...]

I am unfortunately returning to work in a week and have to wean my 10 month old. I still plan on nursing him morning and night, but I need something that I can give him at the sitters. I will not be able to pump. I looked at formula ingredients and didn't like what I saw: coconut oil + a lot of stuff that I can't pronounce & have no idea of what it is. Is there a formula or something else that is healthier for my son than this cr@p! in Toronto

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In a message dated 9/4/00 3:09:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Annette@... writes:

<< . Goats milk is the closest thing to mother's own breast milk - it was

explained to me that their bone structure is closer to our own therefore the

solids are easily broken down >>

This was a rumor for severeal years, but this was found to be unture. There

really isn't anything similar between goats milk and human milk.

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My midwife suggested a similar recipe for formula using goats milk. I did

some research and came to the same conclusion that you did.

Taycee has been formula fed since she was 5 days old. We use the Walmart

brand which I have to mention is *significantly* less expensive than the

organic brand available. Taycee is the picture of health:

http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/t/taycee/ at 5 months old. She has

never been sick and is already scooting all over the house. I feel like I

should be doing ads for formula companies!

Every child is different I guess but formula is working well for us.

Melinda and Taycee

At 07:38 AM 9/4/00 EDT, you wrote:

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>In a message dated 9/4/00 3:09:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>Annette@... writes:

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><< . Goats milk is the closest thing to mother's own breast milk - it was

>explained to me that their bone structure is closer to our own therefore the

>solids are easily broken down >>

>

>This was a rumor for severeal years, but this was found to be unture. There

>really isn't anything similar between goats milk and human milk.

>

>

>

>

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After reading the labels on ALL the formula containers I could find in the grocery store, I would never feed that crap to my kids under any circumstance.

Annette M. Hall

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In a message dated 9/3/00 4:13:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, squeaksoup@... writes:<< There are no studies that show that formula is any better than cow's milk. The formula companies would like you to think that there is though. If any one knows of any studies I'd love to read them. Not that cow's milk is necessarily a good thing! I just meant that formula isn't any better. Perhaps he could drink water from a tippy while you are gone. kimme>>Actually there are. I'll have to dig some up and post them. But really, formula is the only suitable alternative to breastmilk. I'm FAR from a formula fan. Never had an ounce of it in the house, and I sent back the free samples they sent to my house. I Absolutely DO not get any info from them. Formula is far from perfect but there are a lot of addednutrients and such that you won't find in cows milk that is a little closer to what the baby should be getting. Also, remember, babies under 1 should not be given cow's milk. It is much to hard to digest on top of many other things.

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In a message dated 9/3/2000 12:54:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, touie@...

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<< I will not be able to

pump. >>

Catching up on my email so maybe I'm too late. When you say you will not be

able to pump, is it because you can't at work. Isn't that against the law?

Kendal

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Hi ,

I strongly encourage you to nurse as often as you can. I'll admit that

sleeping with my baby didn't work for us but is it possible that you could

make up a few feedings that way? Just a suggestion, not a judgement.

that said, I have heard of an organic formula, called Baby's Own Organic

toddler formula. It is recommended as a supplement for babes already on

solids. The company's name is NATURE'S ONE and their web site is:

http://www.naturesone.com.

This is not an endorsement, we have never tried it. I know they sell

it at the Whole Foods markets (hfs) in our area and I think ecobaby also

sells it (is that true? I might be remembering it wrong-lol)

Good Luck,

bonnie

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I am unfortunately returning to work in a week and have to wean my 10

month old. I still plan on nursing him morning and night, but I need

something that I can give him at the sitters. I will not be able to

pump.

I looked at formula ingredients and didn't like what I saw: coconut oil + a

lot of stuff that I can't pronounce & have no idea of what it is. Is there a

formula or something else that is healthier for my son than this cr@p!

in Toronto

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Thanks for all your input I spoke to Dr. who is a breast feeding specialist. He

assured me that he does not need formula as he will necessary nutrients from

foods and the breast feedings I will give him. I plan to use rice milk.

in Toronto

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You said you will not be able to pump. Is that due to not being able to at

work or because you do not own a pump? I went to work alone when my

daughter was 9 mo. Until then I was able to take her to work. I found that

I could not pump at work. I would pump in the morning as soon as I woke up

and then I would pump as soon as I got home. Then I would nurse her. It

worked for me.

If no pump is the problem, you might find a used (nice like Medela) pump

somewhere and just buy the replacement horns and tubes.

Good luck!!

Mommy to Payton (1/6/98) and Landon (4/2/00)

99.9% of households have TV's, only 97% of the households have indoor

plumbing.  All this crap coming in and not enough going out.

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Good luck! I know leaving your baby is going to be hard for you and I am

glad you have made a strong decision after researching. That will be one

less worry for you. I hope all goes well and I wish you the best!

(And, isn't it a nice change to find a doctor who is supportive in the area

of BF?!?!)

Katrina

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>Subject: Re: re: Formula Alternative

>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:03:56 -0400

>

>Thanks for all your input I spoke to Dr. who is a breast feeding

>specialist. He

>assured me that he does not need formula as he will necessary nutrients

>from

>foods and the breast feedings I will give him. I plan to use rice milk.

>

> in Toronto

>

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>>>When you say you will not be

>able to pump, is it because you can't at work. Isn't that against the law?

>Kendal

Just to throw this in....I heard a story recently, that a women was in a

battle over her job because of pumping. She was faithfully using her pump

during breaks in the only place available, the bathroom. Another women in

the next stall heard the machine and turned her in for using a vibrator at

work!!!!

Katrina

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I'm glad to hear that you have come up with a plan that you seem pretty

satisfied

with. Did you talk to Jack?

" L. " wrote:

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> Thanks for all your input I spoke to Dr. who is a breast feeding specialist.

He

> assured me that he does not need formula as he will necessary nutrients from

> foods and the breast feedings I will give him. I plan to use rice milk.

>

> in Toronto

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In a message dated 9/6/2000 11:36:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, touie@...

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<< I can't at work because I will only be there on a temporary basis - I

don't know

anyone there. If I was working some place that I worked previously that

would

be a different story, but I don't want to be that new girl from the temp

agency

making the weird noises in the bathroom stall.

>>

Just curious, what agency do you work with? I usto work for Accountemps a

division of Half and I know most of our clients would be very

understanding if it was presented beforehand. Kendal

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I can't at work because I will only be there on a temporary basis - I don't know

anyone there. If I was working some place that I worked previously that would

be a different story, but I don't want to be that new girl from the temp agency

making the weird noises in the bathroom stall.

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> ,

> You said you will not be able to pump. Is that due to not being able to at

> work or because you do not own a pump? I went to work alone when my

> daughter was 9 mo. Until then I was able to take her to work. I found that

> I could not pump at work. I would pump in the morning as soon as I woke up

> and then I would pump as soon as I got home. Then I would nurse her. It

> worked for me.

>

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