Re: religious exemption (my unsolicited advice)

[Guest guest]

Adrienne, I haven't followed your entire discussion, but I understand your

problem. That was why I ended up, luckily, seeking and getting a medical

exemption, because it is for medical reasons, really, that I object. And

having found a doctor who agreed with me allowed me to stick with what I

believed in. Which is not to say I wouldn't have gotten a religious

exemption if I needed to - not having had to do so, I can't say for sure.

On the other hand, if you can find a way to honestly define your objections

in some kind of spiritual way, maybe that would not violate your values.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

PS However, I would have found a way to avoid vaccination. As one person

just suggested, I would homeschool if need be. I would move, if I could.

So I don't want anyone to think I don't understand the absolute horror

everyone is feeling. In fact, I told my son who still lives at home that if

they find a way to remove his medical exemption, and I can't get out of it

another way, I will homeschool him. Sandy

[Guest guest]

PPS To be fair, I don't want anyone to think I'm judging anyone who would

" lie " . In fact, I don't think I could get away with it where I live,

because I come from a well-known Jewish family. So I gave up the idea from

the beginning, pretty much. I asked my Rabbi many years ago, and he thought

there were no grounds to justify it in Judaism. I don't know if he was

right, but I was stuck at the time. If I had problems with my medical

exemption, however, I would probably try to find a way to " rationalize " my

objections within Judaism, before I would resort to homeschooling my child.

And try to find someone credible to corroborate my position. Sandy

[Guest guest]

So , what are you saying here to make it clearer for everyone?

Sheri

At 03:12 PM 10/04/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Just hope you never have to go to court to protect your child from being

>vaccinated. I did and I lost. I'm not about to be a martyr anymore at the

risk

>of my children's health.

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>Adrienne wrote:

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>> At 10:18 AM 10/17/00 -0700, you wrote:

>> > I think sometimes people feel like they are lying (I would

>> > >if I used a religious exemption in reference to public school.)

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>> >I have heard people say that too.

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>> >Well, the whole fear of lying is a ridiculous one. Don't lie and damage

>> >your kid. Ask people who lived thru Nazi Germany about lying to save

their

>> >lives. You do what you have to to protect your child and because someone

>> >else makes unconstitutional rules you have to go by them or think you are

>> >lying?? Think about it.

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>> >Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

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>> I would feel like I was lying if I said I did not vaccinate for religious

>> reasons, simply because the religion I follow does not have any formal

>> declaration against vaccinations. I have moral objections to lying, even

>> for the protection of my child. I would go to other lengths to protect my

>> child and so I would not have to lie (does that make sense?) It isn't a

>> fear of lying, it's an objection to lying. That's why the

>> personal/philosophical exemption is so nice.

>>

>> Adrienne

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[Guest guest]

If it's in the child's best interest, why do they even have a religious

exemption if they are not acknowledging it? Seems crazy that a judge or

anyone else can decide what's best for your child and how sincere your

beliefs are about your religion.

hope you get this

Re: religious exemption (my unsolicited advice)

>This may be a little different but not much. I'm court ordered to allow my

>daughter's father to vaccinate her. I sure wish I would have done things

>differently but hindsight is always 20/20. I went to court under a

religious

>exemption and lost. The judge recognized I had a " sincere religious belief

but

>it's in the child's best interest.. blahs blah blah " .

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>Sandy Mintz wrote:

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>> PS However, I would have found a way to avoid vaccination. As one

person

>> just suggested, I would homeschool if need be. I would move, if I could.

>> So I don't want anyone to think I don't understand the absolute horror

>> everyone is feeling. In fact, I told my son who still lives at home that

if

>> they find a way to remove his medical exemption, and I can't get out of

it

>> another way, I will homeschool him. Sandy

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[Guest guest]

The truth is, none of our children are really safe until we can change

public opinion about the vaccines. Sandy

[Guest guest]

I think that people are encouraging you to lie because many have had

to since they have been down that road to exception without success.

They are just trying to be helpful. Your just taking a more

difficult

path by not lying willingly.

Personally, I figure the government lies to us all the time so I dont

consider it a moral issue. By the time my son (17 mos old) figures

out im lying about this, I will hopefully be able to explain it to

him....or God willing...we will have more choice regarding

vaccination.

> I'm not sure what you are saying by this statement. I assume it is

because

> I have an objection to lying, even for something as important as my

child's

> health. My objection to lying is a moral one, and I can't weigh

morals,

> saying this one is more important than that one. I'm not in any of

the

> situations anyone here is describing, so that makes the point moot.

I may

> or may not change my views in light of any situation I am actually

placed

> in, not hypothetically placed in. I am especially bewildered by

your last

> statement " I'm not about to be a martyr anymore at the risk of my

> children's health. "

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> I am alarmed that people are so offended that I say I won't

> lie. Obviously, nobody cares that I find lying objectionable, as

> objectionable as vaccinations. I won't trade one for the other,

either

> way. Being dishonest will not help the situation, and I'm not

being

a good

> mother then because I'm teaching my child and awful lesson " If

something

> isn't going the way you want it, then it's alright to lie. " These

are my

> morals and my objections. Please respect that.

>

> Adrienne