Re: high blood pressure

[Guest guest]

So far while on 3mgs of LDN for the last year I have been able to get my blood pressure down and keep it down with diet.

My Dr. watched me very carefully as I had high blood pressure before starting LDN and had me take all kinds of pills to bring it down but only by cutting out a lot of excess carbs like sugar in my coffee, coffee four times a day with four sugars is bad,white bread three times a day,chocolates anytime during the day, heck I wonder why I felt like s#!%

Since my change to a low carb diet no more bad blood pressure readings and I feel great!

Reg.

-- [low dose naltrexone] High Blood Pressure

Does anyone know if higher blood pressure is a side effect of LDN?

Thanks!

Daphne

mgs

[Guest guest]

I don't think that High blood pressure is a side effect of LDN. When I started LDN I also went on the Dr Roy Swank diet and I was able to get rid of my high blood pressure medication. That was in June of 2003. Haven't gone back to the medication cause I don't need it. And there are many times that I slip (big time) off of my diet. But still don't need the high blood pressure medication.

Good Luck

Marie

[low dose naltrexone] High Blood Pressure

Does anyone know if higher blood pressure is a side effect of LDN?

Thanks!

Daphne

[Guest guest]

That's the one thing I had monitored at various points along the way. 110-120 over 70-80 most all the time in the last 600+ days and that was my norm as far as I can remember. Except this one time in the 80s I was 90/60 and my doc said I was run down. Otherwise, no, no rise, no lowering.

[low dose naltrexone] High Blood Pressure

Does anyone know if higher blood pressure is a side effect of LDN?

Thanks!

Daphne

[Guest guest]

Dapne, Mine went up, but i was going through asmall relapse. it came down after i started feeling better. Doc GP, gave me a fast and slow acting steroid shot. hope this was a coincidence. love and have a great Christmas season. Lovem edie aka Roxanne

[low dose naltrexone] High Blood Pressure

Does anyone know if higher blood pressure is a side effect of LDN?

Thanks!

Daphne

[Guest guest]

I have, or did have, stress induced high blood pressure. It used to float

around 140 systolic, give or a take a bit, and 90 diastolic, giver or take

a bit. My doc had me on HCZT, which is a diuretic. The med brought it down

to the low 130's over mid 80's. 6 months ago, I went to renew the script,

and the doc wanted to see me. I blew it off, and started taking l-arginine,

an amino acid that is partially converted to nitric oxide in the body, which,

in the body, is a vasodialator. My blood pressure now floats in the mid 120's

over mid 70's. I prefer those numbers.

I take my BP using an automated cuff, so it does it the same all the time.

This unit fits on my wrist, and I insure it is the same level as my heart.

I was checking several times per day, regardless of activity or food intake,

and the results have been consistent. The amino acid works better than the

scripted chemical.

I am physically active, primarily with anerobic activities instead of aerobic

activity. I smoked for years, but quit 7 years ago. My food intake is

moderately balanced, with carbs and protein fighting back and forth for the

greater amount of intake. My fat intake is pretty low. I am not near as well

educated on the CRON lifestyle as most of the listers. I am a tad shy of 6'3 "

and weigh right at 220. I had high BP when I was running 3 miles per day, and

weighed 15 pounds less.

Any opinions or advice?

Thanks,

Don

[Guest guest]

I have, or did have, stress induced high blood pressure. It used to float

around 140 systolic, give or a take a bit, and 90 diastolic, giver or take

a bit. My doc had me on HCZT, which is a diuretic. The med brought it down

to the low 130's over mid 80's. 6 months ago, I went to renew the script,

and the doc wanted to see me. I blew it off, and started taking l-arginine,

an amino acid that is partially converted to nitric oxide in the body, which,

in the body, is a vasodialator. My blood pressure now floats in the mid 120's

over mid 70's. I prefer those numbers.

I take my BP using an automated cuff, so it does it the same all the time.

This unit fits on my wrist, and I insure it is the same level as my heart.

I was checking several times per day, regardless of activity or food intake,

and the results have been consistent. The amino acid works better than the

scripted chemical.

I am physically active, primarily with anerobic activities instead of aerobic

activity. I smoked for years, but quit 7 years ago. My food intake is

moderately balanced, with carbs and protein fighting back and forth for the

greater amount of intake. My fat intake is pretty low. I am not near as well

educated on the CRON lifestyle as most of the listers. I am a tad shy of 6'3 "

and weigh right at 220. I had high BP when I was running 3 miles per day, and

weighed 15 pounds less.

Any opinions or advice?

Thanks,

Don

[Guest guest]

Hi Don:

Well since you ask (!!!)

A couple of suggestions.

First, keep doing what you have been doing lately, especially the l-

arginine (thanks, that is very interesting information).

Second, if you were to drop your weight slowly (over a couple of

years) to 191.75 pounds your BMI would fall to 24 - a number that is

generally regarded as near the high end of the 'healthy range'. No

one would regard a BMI of 24 as extreme in any way. My bet is that

if you did this your BP would drop to *excellent* numbers. For a

guess, 115/65 perhaps? The problem with a SBP of ~125 is that it

will almost certainly rise further as you get older. But it seems

that if you can get down to 115 or lower it doesn't rise with age.

You might want eventually to drop your BMI somewhat further. The

middle of the accepted, conventional wisdom, healthy BMI range is

around 22. A 'full-CRON' BMI is usually a bit lower than that.

[My experience with efforts to lose weight is that after three months

of plenty of effort but zero progress, suddenly my weight then starts

falling slowly, almost without effort. So do not be discouraged if

you do not see immediate progress. And you do not want to lose

weight rapidly anyway.]

If you eat plenty of green vegetables and soups it should make things

a lot easier. Sometimes for dinner, for example, I will eat one full

bunch of steamed broccoli, or small cauliflower. (I get the water

boiling vigorously then pop the cut broccoli in and steam for eleven

minutes (sixteen minutes for cauliflower). Then before eating it I

season it with some type of vinegar. Cider vinegar or balsamic

vinegar are good. Works well for me.)

And if you do try something like this, please keep us up to date with

your progress.

Rodney.

> I have, or did have, stress induced high blood pressure. It used to

float

> around 140 systolic, give or a take a bit, and 90 diastolic, giver

or take

> a bit. My doc had me on HCZT, which is a diuretic. The med brought

it down

> to the low 130's over mid 80's. 6 months ago, I went to renew the

script,

> and the doc wanted to see me. I blew it off, and started taking l-

arginine,

> an amino acid that is partially converted to nitric oxide in the

body, which,

> in the body, is a vasodialator. My blood pressure now floats in the

mid 120's

> over mid 70's. I prefer those numbers.

>

> I take my BP using an automated cuff, so it does it the same all

the time.

> This unit fits on my wrist, and I insure it is the same level as my

heart.

> I was checking several times per day, regardless of activity or

food intake,

> and the results have been consistent. The amino acid works better

than the

> scripted chemical.

>

> I am physically active, primarily with anerobic activities instead

of aerobic

> activity. I smoked for years, but quit 7 years ago. My food intake

is

> moderately balanced, with carbs and protein fighting back and forth

for the

> greater amount of intake. My fat intake is pretty low. I am not

near as well

> educated on the CRON lifestyle as most of the listers. I am a tad

shy of 6'3 "

> and weigh right at 220. I had high BP when I was running 3 miles

per day, and

> weighed 15 pounds less.

>

> Any opinions or advice?

>

> Thanks,

> Don

[Guest guest]

Hi Don:

Well since you ask (!!!)

A couple of suggestions.

First, keep doing what you have been doing lately, especially the l-

arginine (thanks, that is very interesting information).

Second, if you were to drop your weight slowly (over a couple of

years) to 191.75 pounds your BMI would fall to 24 - a number that is

generally regarded as near the high end of the 'healthy range'. No

one would regard a BMI of 24 as extreme in any way. My bet is that

if you did this your BP would drop to *excellent* numbers. For a

guess, 115/65 perhaps? The problem with a SBP of ~125 is that it

will almost certainly rise further as you get older. But it seems

that if you can get down to 115 or lower it doesn't rise with age.

You might want eventually to drop your BMI somewhat further. The

middle of the accepted, conventional wisdom, healthy BMI range is

around 22. A 'full-CRON' BMI is usually a bit lower than that.

[My experience with efforts to lose weight is that after three months

of plenty of effort but zero progress, suddenly my weight then starts

falling slowly, almost without effort. So do not be discouraged if

you do not see immediate progress. And you do not want to lose

weight rapidly anyway.]

If you eat plenty of green vegetables and soups it should make things

a lot easier. Sometimes for dinner, for example, I will eat one full

bunch of steamed broccoli, or small cauliflower. (I get the water

boiling vigorously then pop the cut broccoli in and steam for eleven

minutes (sixteen minutes for cauliflower). Then before eating it I

season it with some type of vinegar. Cider vinegar or balsamic

vinegar are good. Works well for me.)

And if you do try something like this, please keep us up to date with

your progress.

Rodney.

> I have, or did have, stress induced high blood pressure. It used to

float

> around 140 systolic, give or a take a bit, and 90 diastolic, giver

or take

> a bit. My doc had me on HCZT, which is a diuretic. The med brought

it down

> to the low 130's over mid 80's. 6 months ago, I went to renew the

script,

> and the doc wanted to see me. I blew it off, and started taking l-

arginine,

> an amino acid that is partially converted to nitric oxide in the

body, which,

> in the body, is a vasodialator. My blood pressure now floats in the

mid 120's

> over mid 70's. I prefer those numbers.

>

> I take my BP using an automated cuff, so it does it the same all

the time.

> This unit fits on my wrist, and I insure it is the same level as my

heart.

> I was checking several times per day, regardless of activity or

food intake,

> and the results have been consistent. The amino acid works better

than the

> scripted chemical.

>

> I am physically active, primarily with anerobic activities instead

of aerobic

> activity. I smoked for years, but quit 7 years ago. My food intake

is

> moderately balanced, with carbs and protein fighting back and forth

for the

> greater amount of intake. My fat intake is pretty low. I am not

near as well

> educated on the CRON lifestyle as most of the listers. I am a tad

shy of 6'3 "

> and weigh right at 220. I had high BP when I was running 3 miles

per day, and

> weighed 15 pounds less.

>

> Any opinions or advice?

>

> Thanks,

> Don

[Guest guest]

Don,

Frequently, dietary interventions and life-style changes can be as

effective as prescription medicines, but without the side-effects.

One question: What is your dosage of L-arginine?

Tony

> I have, or did have, stress induced high blood pressure. It used to

float

> around 140 systolic, give or a take a bit, and 90 diastolic, giver

or take

> a bit. My doc had me on HCZT, which is a diuretic. The med brought

it down

> to the low 130's over mid 80's. 6 months ago, I went to renew the

script,

> and the doc wanted to see me. I blew it off, and started taking

l-arginine,

> an amino acid that is partially converted to nitric oxide in the

body, which,

> in the body, is a vasodialator. My blood pressure now floats in the

mid 120's

> over mid 70's. I prefer those numbers.

>

[Guest guest]

Don,

Frequently, dietary interventions and life-style changes can be as

effective as prescription medicines, but without the side-effects.

One question: What is your dosage of L-arginine?

Tony

> I have, or did have, stress induced high blood pressure. It used to

float

> around 140 systolic, give or a take a bit, and 90 diastolic, giver

or take

> a bit. My doc had me on HCZT, which is a diuretic. The med brought

it down

> to the low 130's over mid 80's. 6 months ago, I went to renew the

script,

> and the doc wanted to see me. I blew it off, and started taking

l-arginine,

> an amino acid that is partially converted to nitric oxide in the

body, which,

> in the body, is a vasodialator. My blood pressure now floats in the

mid 120's

> over mid 70's. I prefer those numbers.

>

[Guest guest]

Do we list the best place to get it? I'm willing to give it a try. Where do you buy yours Don?

on 8/4/2005 7:18 AM, citpeks at citpeks@... wrote:

Don,

Frequently, dietary interventions and life-style changes can be as

effective as prescription medicines, but without the side-effects.

One question: What is your dosage of L-arginine?

Tony

[Guest guest]

Do we list the best place to get it? I'm willing to give it a try. Where do you buy yours Don?

on 8/4/2005 7:18 AM, citpeks at citpeks@... wrote:

Don,

Frequently, dietary interventions and life-style changes can be as

effective as prescription medicines, but without the side-effects.

One question: What is your dosage of L-arginine?

Tony

[Guest guest]

Hi Don. Thank's for sharing your story. Years ago I had some striking

results from free form aminos (l-phenylalanine & l-tyrosine), but the

effects faded after several months. How long has l-arginine worked for

the BP benefit?

white69@... wrote:

>I blew it off, and started taking l-arginine, an amino acid that is partially

converted to nitric oxide in the body, which,

>in the body, is a vasodialator. My blood pressure now floats in the mid 120's

over mid 70's. I prefer those numbers.

>

>I take my BP using an automated cuff, so it does it the same all the time.

This unit fits on my wrist, and I insure it is the same level as my heart. I

was checking several times per day, regardless of activity or food intake,and

the results have been consistent. The amino acid works better than the scripted

chemical.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Don. Thank's for sharing your story. Years ago I had some striking

results from free form aminos (l-phenylalanine & l-tyrosine), but the

effects faded after several months. How long has l-arginine worked for

the BP benefit?

white69@... wrote:

>I blew it off, and started taking l-arginine, an amino acid that is partially

converted to nitric oxide in the body, which,

>in the body, is a vasodialator. My blood pressure now floats in the mid 120's

over mid 70's. I prefer those numbers.

>

>I take my BP using an automated cuff, so it does it the same all the time.

This unit fits on my wrist, and I insure it is the same level as my heart. I

was checking several times per day, regardless of activity or food intake,and

the results have been consistent. The amino acid works better than the scripted

chemical.

>

>

[Guest guest]

[sufficient] Endurance exercise also enhances NO pathways.

Has anyone here had an IMT evaluation? It's very easy and noninvasive

look at your artery thickness.

>

> Don,

>

> Frequently, dietary interventions and life-style changes can be as

> effective as prescription medicines, but without the side-effects.

>

> One question: What is your dosage of L-arginine?

>

> Tony

[Guest guest]

[sufficient] Endurance exercise also enhances NO pathways.

Has anyone here had an IMT evaluation? It's very easy and noninvasive

look at your artery thickness.

>

> Don,

>

> Frequently, dietary interventions and life-style changes can be as

> effective as prescription medicines, but without the side-effects.

>

> One question: What is your dosage of L-arginine?

>

> Tony

[Guest guest]

Arginine, taurine, and l-carnitine promote transport. I have seen some changes with those, but I get "use" to them and they quit working.

It may be your BP was transient, not essential, but keep a log and watch for trends.

IMO, a low fat diet and weight control will delay the onset requiring medication.

Regards.

Re: [ ] High blood pressure

I have, or did have, stress induced high blood pressure. It used to floataround 140 systolic, give or a take a bit, and 90 diastolic, giver or takea bit. My doc had me on HCZT, which is a diuretic. The med brought it downto the low 130's over mid 80's. 6 months ago, I went to renew the script,and the doc wanted to see me. I blew it off, and started taking l-arginine,an amino acid that is partially converted to nitric oxide in the body, which,in the body, is a vasodialator. My blood pressure now floats in the mid 120'sover mid 70's. I prefer those numbers.I take my BP using an automated cuff, so it does it the same all the time. This unit fits on my wrist, and I insure it is the same level as my heart. I was checking several times per day, regardless of activity or food intake,and the results have been consistent. The amino acid works better than thescripted chemical. I am physically active, primarily with anerobic activities instead of aerobicactivity. I smoked for years, but quit 7 years ago. My food intake is moderately balanced, with carbs and protein fighting back and forth for thegreater amount of intake. My fat intake is pretty low. I am not near as welleducated on the CRON lifestyle as most of the listers. I am a tad shy of 6'3"and weigh right at 220. I had high BP when I was running 3 miles per day, andweighed 15 pounds less. Any opinions or advice?Thanks,Don

[Guest guest]

Arginine, taurine, and l-carnitine promote transport. I have seen some changes with those, but I get "use" to them and they quit working.

It may be your BP was transient, not essential, but keep a log and watch for trends.

IMO, a low fat diet and weight control will delay the onset requiring medication.

Regards.

Re: [ ] High blood pressure

I have, or did have, stress induced high blood pressure. It used to floataround 140 systolic, give or a take a bit, and 90 diastolic, giver or takea bit. My doc had me on HCZT, which is a diuretic. The med brought it downto the low 130's over mid 80's. 6 months ago, I went to renew the script,and the doc wanted to see me. I blew it off, and started taking l-arginine,an amino acid that is partially converted to nitric oxide in the body, which,in the body, is a vasodialator. My blood pressure now floats in the mid 120'sover mid 70's. I prefer those numbers.I take my BP using an automated cuff, so it does it the same all the time. This unit fits on my wrist, and I insure it is the same level as my heart. I was checking several times per day, regardless of activity or food intake,and the results have been consistent. The amino acid works better than thescripted chemical. I am physically active, primarily with anerobic activities instead of aerobicactivity. I smoked for years, but quit 7 years ago. My food intake is moderately balanced, with carbs and protein fighting back and forth for thegreater amount of intake. My fat intake is pretty low. I am not near as welleducated on the CRON lifestyle as most of the listers. I am a tad shy of 6'3"and weigh right at 220. I had high BP when I was running 3 miles per day, andweighed 15 pounds less. Any opinions or advice?Thanks,Don

[Guest guest]

Since you mention that, tell me what I have to fake at the dr's office to get her to do the test?

Regards.

[ ] Re: High blood pressure

[sufficient] Endurance exercise also enhances NO pathways. Has anyone here had an IMT evaluation? It's very easy and noninvasivelook at your artery thickness.

[Guest guest]

Since you mention that, tell me what I have to fake at the dr's office to get her to do the test?

Regards.

[ ] Re: High blood pressure

[sufficient] Endurance exercise also enhances NO pathways. Has anyone here had an IMT evaluation? It's very easy and noninvasivelook at your artery thickness.

[Guest guest]

Respectfully, my resistance to thinking that exercise cures anything is because it was my common practice everyday to run up the stairs at work several times per day. I was very active, and held my weight to what I thought was a healthy, trim 185#.

But one day, after running up 6 flights to the 4th floor, I noticed I was a little winded. That was about 1980, age 45. Gradually I began to add weight, and eventually I quit running up the stairs because one day I measured my BP reaching the top. It took 5 minutes for the machine to settle to make the reading. I told the nurse what I had done and she referred me to the doctor.

At that time it was common for me to mow an acre of grass with a push power mower.

My cholesterol had always been low, so low they rejected me for a heart/ cholesterol study.

So what happened? IMO, exercise did not prevent the onset of HTN, or weight rise.

CR might have.

Regards.

[ ] Re: High blood pressure

[sufficient] Endurance exercise also enhances NO pathways.

[Guest guest]

Respectfully, my resistance to thinking that exercise cures anything is because it was my common practice everyday to run up the stairs at work several times per day. I was very active, and held my weight to what I thought was a healthy, trim 185#.

But one day, after running up 6 flights to the 4th floor, I noticed I was a little winded. That was about 1980, age 45. Gradually I began to add weight, and eventually I quit running up the stairs because one day I measured my BP reaching the top. It took 5 minutes for the machine to settle to make the reading. I told the nurse what I had done and she referred me to the doctor.

At that time it was common for me to mow an acre of grass with a push power mower.

My cholesterol had always been low, so low they rejected me for a heart/ cholesterol study.

So what happened? IMO, exercise did not prevent the onset of HTN, or weight rise.

CR might have.

Regards.

[ ] Re: High blood pressure

[sufficient] Endurance exercise also enhances NO pathways.

[Guest guest]

Hi All and Rodney,

Where did you obtain this information, Rodney?

--- Rodney <perspect1111@...> wrote:

> Hi folks:

>

> Just checked. Evidence of atherosclerotic plaque is defined as IMT

> of greater than 1.0 mm. WUSTL subjects had IMT measurements of 0.5

> mm +/- 0.1 mm, p-value 0.0001!!!. None of the CR subjects had

> evidence of plaque. Their IMT thickness was 40% less than the

> controls, whose IMT was 0.8 mm +/- 0.1 mm. (Which seems to suggest

> that the benchmark threshold of 1.0 represents an appreciable

> accumulation of plaque).

>

> Rodney.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Don,

> > > >

> > > > Frequently, dietary interventions and life-style changes can be

> as

> > > > effective as prescription medicines, but without the side-

> effects.

> > > >

> > > > One question: What is your dosage of L-arginine?

> > > >

> > > > Tony

>

>

>

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi All and Rodney,

Where did you obtain this information, Rodney?

--- Rodney <perspect1111@...> wrote:

> Hi folks:

>

> Just checked. Evidence of atherosclerotic plaque is defined as IMT

> of greater than 1.0 mm. WUSTL subjects had IMT measurements of 0.5

> mm +/- 0.1 mm, p-value 0.0001!!!. None of the CR subjects had

> evidence of plaque. Their IMT thickness was 40% less than the

> controls, whose IMT was 0.8 mm +/- 0.1 mm. (Which seems to suggest

> that the benchmark threshold of 1.0 represents an appreciable

> accumulation of plaque).

>

> Rodney.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Don,

> > > >

> > > > Frequently, dietary interventions and life-style changes can be

> as

> > > > effective as prescription medicines, but without the side-

> effects.

> > > >

> > > > One question: What is your dosage of L-arginine?

> > > >

> > > > Tony

>

>

>

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Al:

Unfortunately I am unable to get Acrobat working currently, so I

cannot access my copy of the WUSTL study. (Perhaps because I have

too much other stuff running right now). But I probably got all of

that information from the WUSTL study. Either from the tables or

from the text.

If you cannot find that info there, bug me and I will check elsewhere.

Rodney.

> > > > >

> > > > > Don,

> > > > >

> > > > > Frequently, dietary interventions and life-style changes

can be

> > as

> > > > > effective as prescription medicines, but without the side-

> > effects.

> > > > >

> > > > > One question: What is your dosage of L-arginine?

> > > > >

> > > > > Tony

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@y...

>

> __________________________________________________

>