Dental Amalgams

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I recommend you read the book It's All In Your Head by ? Huggins (I forget

his first name). He has an institute in Colorado that you can call to refer

you to dentists who have studied methods of mercury amalgam removal. He

contends that the order of removal is VERY important in terms of diminishing

adverse effects on the body, since some mercury is released in the removal of

the amalgams (because you have to chip them out, basically). I had all 11 of

mine removed. It did not cause any improvement, though I did not do

chelation (I did do the recommended detox supplements). However, one weird

thing happened. I had documented fevers every day for a YEAR prior to having

them removed, and after they were removed I abruptly stopped having the daily

fevers. The fevers came back when I tried the whey products, and

periodically, but not every day as they had been before. This leads me to

believe that my body was reacting in some way to the mercury. My feeling

about it is this: mercury is a known neurotoxin. It can't help to have a

mouthful of it. Things in the mouth can more easily find ways to cross the

blood-brain barrier. It's a bad place to store mercury.

Peggy

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Just wanted to share my experience with amalgam removal with other PWC's who

may be considering it.

I had my amalgams removed 5(?) years ago, about a year after I was dx'd woth

CFIDS. I also read the transcript of the 60 Minutes show on MS and amalgams.

I was desperate with the CFS sx, contacted the Huggins Institute, did the

blood test for compatible dental materials, went to an approved dentist, did

vitC IV's after each removal,(didn't want to do IV DMPS at the time wasn't

convinced it would be safe to put myself through it, thought of taking the

oral DMPS but never did) total of 3 visits, and also had the DMPS challenge

test (after the removal - didn't know of anyone available to do it before

the procedure) to see how much Mercury I had - not much - and had hair

analysis which showed none or hardly any, and have had 3 hair tests since

then,all negative.

I had a worsening of CFS sx for about 6 months after removal along with a

weeping left eye, like conjunctivitis but it wasn't infected - my dentist

thought it was mercury detox - it would weep for about 5 days and then stop

and then 3 weeks later start again, until finally after the third time,

never reoccurred.

I would not do the amalgam removal today without some kind of glutathione

support, if at all. It can be so toxic and stressful, even under the best

of circumstances. I know now it was too toxic a procedure to do, in just 3

sessions no less, in my state of health at the time. Mercury is released of

course during removal, although mine were so old I wonder how much was

actually still there, maybe I'd absorbed most of it already. Anyway, I would

have spaced the removal out over a longer period of time. I think I did mine

over a couple of months, and I would have more IV's or some kind of serious

detox support. I was doing antioxidants at the time, eating right, etc. I

was also doing Cheney's B12 at the time, 1000mcg 2x/week.

I guess I am glad the amalgams are out of my head, but the removal set me

back for quite awhile and I don't know if maybe I'd have been better off not

doing the procedure (which certainly did not cure me) or putting it off

until I had more healing time under my belt.

These days with glutathione support I imagine the procedure would be less

traumatic to the system.

It didn't resolve any of my sx, but obviously it works for some.

Good luck,

M-

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Kathy, you are right! We should be working on this! Anyone have specific information on the actual amount people get every day due to amalgams? Of no special interest to anyone but me, perhaps: I had all of mine removed last year and I've never had such an illness-free winter in my life (and I'm over the hill); not one cold or sinus infection.

Grandma SylviaKathy Heilmann <kathyheilmann@...> wrote:

Hi all, I've been on this list for a few weeks but haven't posted much because I (confession time) hadn't actually finished reading EOH yet... well, it is a long book! But last night I finished it and I can finally give my impressions of the whole thing... well, before I read the book my faith in the medical establishment was faltering but now it's completely gone as well as most of my faith in our government as a whole. What makes me especially mad is that my oldest son (diagnosed HFA) was born in October 1999, after the Joint Statement was released, after everyone -- including my pediatrician, including myself -- could have or should have known about this... It makes me so angry. My son is one of the last to get a bunch of mercury-ladened vaccines and it was completely and totally preventable.

Anyway, I do have one question. In the book they make mention of other sources of mercury exposure like fish consumption and environmental sources but scarcely any mention of dental amalgams which are 50% mercury and supposedly give off mercury into your body all the time. Does anyone know how the mercury load from mom's dental amalgams compares to the mercury load from vaccines?

Maybe the answer is that it is far less but it has surprised me somewhat of all the legislation and publicity and everything surrounding the whole thimerosal controversy whereas you don't see a similar controversy going after the American Dental Association and makers of dental amalgams.

Kathy Heilmann

kathyheilmann@...

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The amalgams are what sent my third child the rest of the way over the edge. She had gut issues before, but still functioned normally for the most part (difficulty with eye contact some days, some sensory issues, OCD). Two years ago she was evaluated along with one of her younger brothers by a ped. neoro at CHOP and she didn't even qualify for ADHD although she had some hyper tendencies. After 6 amalgams last March which I was unaware was an issue, nor given an alternative at the time, she is now Aspergers with full blown hyperactivity. One of her fillings is also now cracked and leaking, and she is a holy terror right now. Hopefully all 6 will be removed next month and we will finally begin chelation, but it has been a nightmare.nevergiveup883 <ynot2@...> wrote:

Count me in on this battle too!!! It was 2 amalgam fillings that finally did my son in. I believe that his vaccines put him on the path but in his case the fillings were what sent him right over the cliff!Laurieps - I know we have a battle in progress and need to focus there, but when that is won (and it will be) we can't rest for too long, another battle is in waiting > Hi all, I've been on this list for a few weeks but haven't posted much because I (confession time) hadn't actually finished reading EOH yet... well, it is a long book! But last night I finished it and I can finally give my impressions of the whole thing... well, before I read the book my faith in the medical establishment was faltering but now it's completely gone as well as most of my faith in our government as a whole. What makes me especially mad is that my oldest son (diagnosed HFA) was born in October 1999, after the Joint Statement was released, after everyone -- including my pediatrician, including myself -- could have or should have known about this... It makes me so angry. My son is one of the last to get a bunch of mercury-ladened vaccines and it was completely and totally preventable.> >

Anyway, I do have one question. In the book they make mention of other sources of mercury exposure like fish consumption and environmental sources but scarcely any mention of dental amalgams which are 50% mercury and supposedly give off mercury into your body all the time. Does anyone know how the mercury load from mom's dental amalgams compares to the mercury load from vaccines?> > Maybe the answer is that it is far less but it has surprised me somewhat of all the legislation and publicity and everything surrounding the whole thimerosal controversy whereas you don't see a similar controversy going after the American Dental Association and makers of dental amalgams.> > Kathy Heilmann> kathyheilmann@y...__________________________________________________

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Kathy,

You are right about amalgams for sure. Mercury in vaccines is our big

issue right now, but all mercury is bad news. That includes mercury in

the air from burning coal, mercury in our oceans and therefore in our

fish, mercury in our mouths etc. And there is also the lead, arsenic,

cadmium and all the others. Our kids don't detox well and that isn't

limited to vaccinal mercury. We will have to be on top of their toxic

load for the rest of their lives as well as for our NT kids and

ourselves.

As a nation and a culture we have been terrible sewards of the earth

and have been way too nonchalant about what we put into our bodies and

what we allow to be injected into them.

Mercury in vaccines may have been the brick that tipped the scales for

our kids, but if you have mercury in your mouth I'd suggest finding a

dentist who knows what he/she is doing and getting it out of there.

Kathy M.

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Information about how much mercury vapor is released from dental amalgams can be found at the link below, in a statement issued by Dr. Boyd Haley in response to statements made by the ADA. Aasa

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/haleyresponds.htmSylvia <sermeldan@...> wrote:

Kathy, you are right! We should be working on this! Anyone have specific information on the actual amount people get every day due to amalgams? Of no special interest to anyone but me, perhaps: I had all of mine removed last year and I've never had such an illness-free winter in my life (and I'm over the hill); not one cold or sinus infection.

Grandma SylviaKathy Heilmann <kathyheilmann@...> wrote:

Hi all, I've been on this list for a few weeks but haven't posted much because I (confession time) hadn't actually finished reading EOH yet... well, it is a long book! But last night I finished it and I can finally give my impressions of the whole thing... well, before I read the book my faith in the medical establishment was faltering but now it's completely gone as well as most of my faith in our government as a whole. What makes me especially mad is that my oldest son (diagnosed HFA) was born in October 1999, after the Joint Statement was released, after everyone -- including my pediatrician, including myself -- could have or should have known about this... It makes me so angry. My son is one of the last to get a bunch of mercury-ladened vaccines and it was completely and totally preventable.

Anyway, I do have one question. In the book they make mention of other sources of mercury exposure like fish consumption and environmental sources but scarcely any mention of dental amalgams which are 50% mercury and supposedly give off mercury into your body all the time. Does anyone know how the mercury load from mom's dental amalgams compares to the mercury load from vaccines?

Maybe the answer is that it is far less but it has surprised me somewhat of all the legislation and publicity and everything surrounding the whole thimerosal controversy whereas you don't see a similar controversy going after the American Dental Association and makers of dental amalgams.

Kathy Heilmann

kathyheilmann@...

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Hi Sylvia...here is Boyd Haley's site...

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/amalgampage.htm

> Hi all, I've been on this list for a few weeks but haven't posted

much because I (confession time) hadn't actually finished reading EOH

yet... well, it is a long book! But last night I finished it and I

can finally give my impressions of the whole thing... well, before I

read the book my faith in the medical establishment was faltering but

now it's completely gone as well as most of my faith in our government

as a whole. What makes me especially mad is that my oldest son

(diagnosed HFA) was born in October 1999, after the Joint Statement

was released, after everyone -- including my pediatrician, including

myself -- could have or should have known about this... It makes me so

angry. My son is one of the last to get a bunch of mercury-ladened

vaccines and it was completely and totally preventable.

>

> Anyway, I do have one question. In the book they make mention of

other sources of mercury exposure like fish consumption and

environmental sources but scarcely any mention of dental amalgams

which are 50% mercury and supposedly give off mercury into your body

all the time. Does anyone know how the mercury load from mom's dental

amalgams compares to the mercury load from vaccines?

>

> Maybe the answer is that it is far less but it has surprised me

somewhat of all the legislation and publicity and everything

surrounding the whole thimerosal controversy whereas you don't see a

similar controversy going after the American Dental Association and

makers of dental amalgams.

>

> Kathy Heilmann

> kathyheilmann@y...

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Kathy,

Dr. Boyd Haley has been fighting this battle for over a decade, I'm told. Also, there IS a controversy going on in the dental field, with a number of dentists choosing to no longer place amalgams. I don't think it's too open to the outside world, however.

Check out Dr. Haley's website for lots of data. (Sorry, I don't have it right now, but maybe google for it.)

Oh, and the Mom's amalgams are hugely important. The baby gets 2/3rds of the mercury. Dr. Amy Holmes used to talk about it because she had something like 21 fillings in her teeth. Obviously her son was exposed in-utero.

Barb

Dental amalgams

Hi all, I've been on this list for a few weeks but haven't posted much because I (confession time) hadn't actually finished reading EOH yet... well, it is a long book! But last night I finished it and I can finally give my impressions of the whole thing... well, before I read the book my faith in the medical establishment was faltering but now it's completely gone as well as most of my faith in our government as a whole. What makes me especially mad is that my oldest son (diagnosed HFA) was born in October 1999, after the Joint Statement was released, after everyone -- including my pediatrician, including myself -- could have or should have known about this... It makes me so angry. My son is one of the last to get a bunch of mercury-ladened vaccines and it was completely and totally preventable.

Anyway, I do have one question. In the book they make mention of other sources of mercury exposure like fish consumption and environmental sources but scarcely any mention of dental amalgams which are 50% mercury and supposedly give off mercury into your body all the time. Does anyone know how the mercury load from mom's dental amalgams compares to the mercury load from vaccines?

Maybe the answer is that it is far less but it has surprised me somewhat of all the legislation and publicity and everything surrounding the whole thimerosal controversy whereas you don't see a similar controversy going after the American Dental Association and makers of dental amalgams.

Kathy Heilmann

kathyheilmann@...

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Thank you, Aasa. As soon as we get mercury out of vaccines, we should get it out of amalgams.

SylviaAasa <penas7ar@...> wrote:

Information about how much mercury vapor is released from dental amalgams can be found at the link below, in a statement issued by Dr. Boyd Haley in response to statements made by the ADA. Aasa

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/haleyresponds.htm

[Guest guest]

It's still controversial. Studies have been done on the effects of

heavy metals on certain diseases but the evidence vis-a-vis mercury

and dental amalgams appears to be anecdotal. Over the years, some

listmembers did have their amalgams replaced. Anyone out there who

did it?

The mercury discussion puts me in mind of an old New Yorker cartoon

in which the waitress is calling an order to the cook:

" Tuna salad on rye—hold the mercury! "

-Ellen

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I have been a dentist for over 25 years and for the last 20 years have supplied only mercury free restorations. I believe that there are much better choices for patients and the environment than mercury based restorations. Now for the subject of replacing old amalgam restorations current evidence shows absolutely no positive effect for doing so. This subject is actually not controversial for a well informed dentist. Having an amalgam filling replaced will causes more exposure to the patient that simply leaving it alone. However, when an amalgam restoration reaches a point where it does need to be replaced I would only recommend upgrading it to one of the newer mercury free restorations. Re: Dental AmalgamsIt's still controversial. Studies have been done on the effects of heavy metals on certain diseases but the evidence vis-a-vis mercury and dental amalgams appears to be anecdotal. Over the years, some listmembers did have their amalgams replaced. Anyone out there who did it? The mercury discussion puts me in mind of an old New Yorker cartoon in which the waitress is calling an order to the cook: "Tuna salad on rye—hold the mercury!"-Ellen------------------------------------

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Hi,

Occupational studies have been done on dental health professionals ...those who

are presumably exposed to mercury vapors at the highest levels ... and no

association with mortality from cancer - beyond that for the general population.

See for example: http://bit.ly/2gxQWf

And related PubMed abstracts: http://bit.ly/1omNac

The only proven benefit would be financial - to the dentist who replaces them.

If a filling must be removed for other reasons, other materials are available I

believe.

Further, even if such exposures were associated with higher risk of CLL,

removing them would likely do no good after the fact.

- Karl

>

> There are some sources that suggest that mercury alloy dental amalgams have

contributed to cancer rates, especially leukemia. Has anyone had these older

amalgams replaced or considered having them replaced with less toxic material?

Would this be of any benefit?

>

> Amy

> SLL diagnosed 9/09

>

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wrote:

" Now for the subject of replacing old amalgam restorations current evidence shows absolutely no positive effect for doing so. This subject is actually not controversial for a well informed dentist. Having an amalgam filling replaced will causes more exposure to the patient that simply leaving it alone."

My new dentist wanted to replace all my old amalgam fillings. She claimed they shrink in time and allow bacteria to enter the tooth. Since I had a mouthfull of old fillings, no dental insurance, and enough hassles from my CLL to not want any more, I turned down her offer but always wondered if I was doing the right thing.

I have had far more dental problems since DX than ever before. I often wonder if the cause is aging or the disease. Now I have a molar that is selfdestructing and can't have it repaired because my WBC is down to 1.0 thanks to ongoing TX. I suppose if the tooth does fall apart my hem/onc will allow me to have it repaired. He doesn't believe prophyllaxis does us any good. Never a dull moment!

Fred Hummel, 83, Arcata CA, DX 1/98

Fludara 2000;Fludara, Rituxan, Novantrone & Decadron 2002;Rituxan 2004; Rituxan & Leukeran 2005, 2006;IVIG 2007; RFC Lite 2007. Two rounds of R+

Treanda so far, first the platelets tanked, now

the whites.

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,My dentist thinks the same way and your input about why not to replace viable fillings is important for us to hear. My point is that there has been no established scientific link I'm aware of between mercury fillings and leukemia but there's enough of a body of anecdotal evidence about the harmful effects of mercury on our health that it remains controversial—and will until medical science can devise some conclusive tests. -Ellen D.On Nov 17, 2009, at 8:43 AM, skiserdds@... wrote:

I have been a dentist for over 25 years and for the last 20 years have supplied only mercury free restorations. I believe that there are much better choices for patients and the environment than mercury based restorations. Now for the subject of replacing old amalgam restorations current evidence shows absolutely no positive effect for doing so. This subject is actually not controversial for a well informed dentist. Having an amalgam filling replaced will causes more exposure to the patient that simply leaving it alone. However, when an amalgam restoration reaches a point where it does need to be replaced I would only recommend upgrading it to one of the newer mercury free restorations.

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Dear Fred,Just a wild thought -- can you perhaps research a bit to see if somewhere in the lit. there's a link between low WBC or other CLL traits and dental problems? If there is any on record, might you have a case for insurance coverage?-EllenOn Nov 17, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Fred Hummel wrote:



wrote:

" Now for the subject of replacing old amalgam restorations current evidence shows absolutely no positive effect for doing so. This subject is actually not controversial for a well informed dentist. Having an amalgam filling replaced will causes more exposure to the patient that simply leaving it alone."

My new dentist wanted to replace all my old amalgam fillings. She claimed they shrink in time and allow bacteria to enter the tooth. Since I had a mouthfull of old fillings, no dental insurance, and enough hassles from my CLL to not want any more, I turned down her offer but always wondered if I was doing the right thing.

I have had far more dental problems since DX than ever before. I often wonder if the cause is aging or the disease. Now I have a molar that is selfdestructing and can't have it repaired because my WBC is down to 1.0 thanks to ongoing TX. I suppose if the tooth does fall apart my hem/onc will allow me to have it repaired. He doesn't believe prophyllaxis does us any good. Never a dull moment!

Fred Hummel, 83, Arcata CA, DX 1/98

Fludara 2000;Fludara, Rituxan, Novantrone & Decadron 2002;Rituxan 2004; Rituxan & Leukeran 2005, 2006;IVIG 2007; RFC Lite 2007. Two rounds of R+

Treanda so far, first the platelets tanked, now

the whites.

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Thank you for all of the responses to my question about the efficacy of removing dental amalgams. This group is such a great resource and a great help. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and experiences!AmySLL dx Sept. 2009