Re: Digest Number 307

[Guest guest]

> Message: 3

> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:12:11 +0800

> From: milpara <milpara@...>

> Subject: Re: Quality of advice, Lorraine Day, and other matters

>

> Hello Dr Moran,

> Your explanation is good for the stadard surgeon`s viewpoint,

> but leaves a

> lot to be desired when you venture into alternative medicine. If

> you want to

> remove tumors and rid the body of cancer, you will have to do a

> lot better

> than what you have stated with your knowledge of alternative medicine. I

> will refer to to mainstream alternative medicine, that is, to Dr Johanna

> Budwig,Ph.D, famed German Biochemist, Scientist and humanitarian who has

> saved many people from " doorstep deaths " after " traditional " doctors had

> given up on them. With I might caution you to be aware that she has been

> nominated for the Nobel Prize seven times and is no light weight. In fact,

> she has carried on her fight against misinformation, disinformation,

> valueless modern food manufacturing processes and the

> medico-pharmaco-chemico self interest groups that continually

> thrive on the

> uninformed.

>snip<

Thanks for your viewpoint, Mike.

You haven't addressed the point I have tried to introduce into this

newsgroup. One can allow that alternative treatments have value as an

addition to normal treatment, and that some of them will work alone some of

the time, without accepting the proposition that they are wise as the first

line of treatment in likely curable cancer. It is just too risky a

decision on the information available about alternatives, including that

available from Ms Budwig, unless you believe her treatment works 100% of the

time. She claims to have the answer to cancer but it would be difficult for

anyone to hide a success rate like this, and her home country doesn't seem

to be hailing her as mankind's saviour. Incidentally, even actual Nobel

Prize winners can be wrong when they try to extrapolate from the laboratory

into clinical medicine. To mention just two, Warburg was wrong when he said

cancer was due to oxygen lack from his work on tissue slices, and no one

these days relies simply on megadoses of Vitamin C for their cancer (Linus

ing).

It has been implied here that it is a matter of choice. Well, I can also

agree that conventional treatments are not as nice as most alternative

treatments. But how often do they work? There is no real " choice " without

full informed consent as to what the likely relative cure rates are, unless

you are a gambler. It is obvious no one has this kind of information for

any alternative modality.

Yes, you have the right to make up your own mind and reject my world view.

But my presence here is as a representative of people who usually do like to

look at things in the terms expressed above -- ie my cancer patients.

They invariably want two things: " tell me the truth, doctor " , and " what are

my chances? " . I suggest, and have demonstrated, that alternative medicine

is often loose with the truth in the propaganda it spreads around about

conventional treatments. Yet nearly all my patients encounter, and are

distressed by, the disproportionate amount of such on the Internet and the

vitriolic way much of it is expressed. Why is this? Is the position of

alternatives weak enough that it needs to be bolstered by such tactics as

the lie, explicitly expressed on some alternative sites, that conventional

treatments hardly ever work?

Where else should I go but to the source to express concern about such

issues, to challenge that which is wrong and offensive, and to encourage a

little more temperance and caution with the views that AM is promulgating?

The second concern of my cancer patients - " will I live? " -- is the most

nail-biting question they will ever ask in their lives. In Medicine we have

enough information about different types of cancer and the effects of our

treatments to say " yes " in many instances and give percentages for others.

Overall we cure 50% of all cancers (yes, you can say this is not great, but

I still say compared to what?) and have a 90-100 per cent success rate with

many early common cancers.

To be trying to systematically turn people against proven treatments without

evidence that alternatives work better is ----- well, I do hope you are

beginning to understand my position.

Regards

Moran

..

[Guest guest]

Dear Moran:

It is my understanding that cure rate is based on a ten year period. The

cure I want is for the rest of my natural life. So far, all the ladies that

tried to persuade me to have chemo and radiation as they had, are

experiencing cancer again (difference place) But as I understand these women

go down as cure for breast cancer since now they will die from another form.

I am told that if you take chemo and radiation the risk is high to get bone

cancer or leukemia, if not damaged organs.

There is a similar situation going on with breast cancer patients being

encourage to us silicon implants. We have already proved this is a fatal

situation, but they are back on the market because they proved safe for 10

years. Research shows that the trouble starts after 10 years. What are we

thinking, is this the FDA, AMA, that is protecting us? Sounds like a sell

out to the implant maker.

I had to make this very difficult decision to go traditional or alternative.

In fact, I had one treatment of chemo, and it felt all wrong. There may come

a day that I need this but it will be after I have given all alternative a

shot. I believe the answer is not putting us all in a box of one cure -chemo

and or radiation- The only thing this does is protect doctors for being sued

for thinking out of the box. My doctor admitted she probably would not

follow exactly what she was telling me to do, but was hand tied to recommend

anything else to me. I ask her to monitor me on my path and tell the medical

professional what she observed and she said she was not interested. Go

figure that. I guess there is not enough money in taking blood tests every 3

months. It has been 16 months now and so far I am cancer free, it is not

easy and it is expensive, but it has been worth the quality of life. I have

2 teenage sons that I barely missed anything in their life during this

because I basically felt good after removing the lump only and one chemo.

Enough for now.

Thank you for any enlightenment, I want to trust most Dr. but it is getting

harder. Why can't the two sides work together and really work together to

fine more answers, many things could work, it is like a puzzle because we are

all different and we have minds, bodies, spirits that all work and were

developed differently.

Ann

[Guest guest]

DR, Moran I have put my dogs Leukemia into remission using Dr. Johanna

Budwigs ideas. Flax oil and cottage cheese. The vets offered me nothing but

his death. I have encountered many people who have been successfull using

homeopathic. Chemo and radiation if thats the best you doctors and greedy

drug companies can come up with I am sorry but I will not be your patient. A

year ago I would of believed your bull but after my dog got sick it opened a

whole new world for me. Kirk Heckel

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/3/00 9:55:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< I wouldn't bother if she was my kid, but I wouldn't let her get any more

exposure with the neighbors until they are done and well cleaned up. Maybe

their daughter needs a nice nontoxic place to come play? And maybe they

will

need your help detoxing their daughter next year?

Andy

>>

Don't worry. She won't be going into their yard again. The other little girl

will have to play in our yard.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sue:

A doppler ultrasound, for all practical purposes is the same as what

is usually referred to as a regular ultrasound. The difference, and this

is true with all ultrasounds, is the type of head they use on the

device. While all use the principal of a " sonar " effect, meaning they

bounce sound onto something, and send back the sounds to a receiver.

This then is redirected into a picture of whatever you are looking at.

The reason for the different heads is that they are made to

penetrate to different depths, and also, since the sound in produced by

" cycling " the sounds, the sound is vibrating and sent in pulses. These

are very fast 10-100,000+ cycles per second. While it may sound very

complex, it really is a simple device=you figure out how to outline a

part of the body by determining what depth it is, how much tissue you

need to go through, and what it is made of, then use the proper sound to

get a basic picture of that area, and, have someone who is experienced

in seeing this type of picture, and by comparison, you can tell many

things by the image.

Normally, you are trying to get a basic picture of an area, or

organ, and see if there are any abnormalities, such as a thickening,

stone, etc. The basic idea is done in any ultrasound, but in a doppler,

you are using the device to focus on a specific target. The most common

use of doppler is to look at the blood flow in veins and arteries. Since

you have to get to a specific area, and then focus on the flow of that

area, it is done with a different head that can penetrate through other

tissue and focus on the site you are looking for.

In your case, they are probably going to focus on the varices to

judge the number, size, etc. of them, and whether they are interfering

with any other areas. This will also tell them, if they can get a clear

picture, of the thickness of the vessels, and whether they may pose some

problem in the future. If they are very thin, they may need to take some

action, or they may decide to wait and observe the area. But, it will

give a reference point, if nothing else. It's a common problem, and the

use of ultrasound is an excellent way to get a picture of an area

without exposing someone to X-rays, any pain or danger from other

procedures, and/or, where the bony areas would not allow a good look.

As far as the biopsy goes, it is not comfortable. If done right, and

depending on your pain tolerance, it may run from a mild discomfort, to

painful. It is fairly quick. They will numb the area first, but that is

only the tissue. Most people complain from the discomfort of the biopsy

needle used to obtain the bone, or marrow, sample for microscopic

examination.

What they are looking for, you did not give enough info, so it

probably has to do with the marrow's ability to produce certain types of

blood cells. I hope this helps. Marty

Message: 10

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:54:08 -0400

From: " " <suejacks@...>

Subject: Re: Explanation Help

Thanks Marty,

It does help. It did mention bowel sounds were present and normal in

pitch.

Next question, when I go to the hematologist, my doc wants a bone marrow

check, is it as bad as it sounds? Do they knock you out? My preference

for

anything over and above blood work. What does doppler ultrasound do,

that

normal ultrasound does not?

Thanks Again,

Sue

[Guest guest]

Dear Sue:

A doppler ultrasound, for all practical purposes is the same as what

is usually referred to as a regular ultrasound. The difference, and this

is true with all ultrasounds, is the type of head they use on the

device. While all use the principal of a " sonar " effect, meaning they

bounce sound onto something, and send back the sounds to a receiver.

This then is redirected into a picture of whatever you are looking at.

The reason for the different heads is that they are made to

penetrate to different depths, and also, since the sound in produced by

" cycling " the sounds, the sound is vibrating and sent in pulses. These

are very fast 10-100,000+ cycles per second. While it may sound very

complex, it really is a simple device=you figure out how to outline a

part of the body by determining what depth it is, how much tissue you

need to go through, and what it is made of, then use the proper sound to

get a basic picture of that area, and, have someone who is experienced

in seeing this type of picture, and by comparison, you can tell many

things by the image.

Normally, you are trying to get a basic picture of an area, or

organ, and see if there are any abnormalities, such as a thickening,

stone, etc. The basic idea is done in any ultrasound, but in a doppler,

you are using the device to focus on a specific target. The most common

use of doppler is to look at the blood flow in veins and arteries. Since

you have to get to a specific area, and then focus on the flow of that

area, it is done with a different head that can penetrate through other

tissue and focus on the site you are looking for.

In your case, they are probably going to focus on the varices to

judge the number, size, etc. of them, and whether they are interfering

with any other areas. This will also tell them, if they can get a clear

picture, of the thickness of the vessels, and whether they may pose some

problem in the future. If they are very thin, they may need to take some

action, or they may decide to wait and observe the area. But, it will

give a reference point, if nothing else. It's a common problem, and the

use of ultrasound is an excellent way to get a picture of an area

without exposing someone to X-rays, any pain or danger from other

procedures, and/or, where the bony areas would not allow a good look.

As far as the biopsy goes, it is not comfortable. If done right, and

depending on your pain tolerance, it may run from a mild discomfort, to

painful. It is fairly quick. They will numb the area first, but that is

only the tissue. Most people complain from the discomfort of the biopsy

needle used to obtain the bone, or marrow, sample for microscopic

examination.

What they are looking for, you did not give enough info, so it

probably has to do with the marrow's ability to produce certain types of

blood cells. I hope this helps. Marty

Message: 10

Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:54:08 -0400

From: " " <suejacks@...>

Subject: Re: Explanation Help

Thanks Marty,

It does help. It did mention bowel sounds were present and normal in

pitch.

Next question, when I go to the hematologist, my doc wants a bone marrow

check, is it as bad as it sounds? Do they knock you out? My preference

for

anything over and above blood work. What does doppler ultrasound do,

that

normal ultrasound does not?

Thanks Again,

Sue

[Guest guest]

> 2. My son gets " addicted " certain foods. Anyone have a theory why he may

> crave vinaigrette? He practically drinks it. I first thought it was sensory-

> he likes the strong taste- could it be the phenol high that he may get from

> it? I remove it from his diet for weeks at a time and I don't see any

> behavior changes- good or bad. I return it only when I thing he needs some

> fresh veggies (he will eat lettuce with it).

Hi ,

When I didn't know yet that I was allergic to cheese, I had these terrible

cheese cravings. I would get up in the middle of the night to have some. My

son is like that with eggs. His doc. Said he probably was allergic to them,

because this behavior is a dead give-away. Sorry.

[Guest guest]

Hello--

I very consistently get high theta when I use Animation Pro on myself, right after I have trained theta down using Brainmaster. This is even compared to the other frequencies. Before, alpha is much above theta, and then theta is above alpha.

I suspect that the pictures on AP are more interesting than a thermometer, and this affects my imagination and pushes theta way up.

Would this suggest anything for the desirability or not, of using AP with the public, knowing that the pictures themselves will affect the frequencies? Or would it be desirable to tempt theta to go up so you can treat it in a "strongest scenario" situation?

Thanks,

Gene

[Guest guest]

Aloha !

Best was kind enough to refer me to your group, and after reviewing the enourmous amounts of posts on different subjects, It would seem to me that this is by far the most active online ASD Lobby I've seen Ever. My name is E. , Sr. Reg. U.S. Civil Rights Lobbyist, DC, CA, DoD ... and Professional Educational Advocate, Nationwide. Wheh... takes a long breath to spit that out ! Anyway... The Office of Advocacy for Disabled Children is a new spinoff from a decade old Advocacy and Lobbyist group for children with Autism. Changing with the times but not changing the way we work.

I have a 12 year old son, non verbal but breaking through with about 250 now... mostly command words. He uses a Voca Tech talk that I achieved for him after costing the state over 100,000 in defense funds in a multi lawsuit and Due Process both running at the same time. The District lost... we settled with the state for 30,000 basically just for pissing me off ! I am known to 'take down' districts, states, etc. that are not in compliance by using multiple contacts in DC and also working from the bottom up as well... So they have complaints running with the OCR, the US DEPT of ED office of spec ed compliance OSEP, and with the D.C. A.D.A. compliance office coming from the top while we work them from the school level. Often almost every case is settled, not all get 3Ok for pissing me off, but I've done a few.. the Asbury for 133K, The Frost for 49,500.... and countless for 19,500...the magic number it seems...... this is in settlement after a due process is initiated and I flood them with so many Motions they can't keep up, hence I end up with them being granted in the childs favor.

We do not work on a 'cost scale' or 'pay scale' , we have helped over 15,000 parents online since 1996 and 2,200 in person. I have done all the in person meetings or mostly hearings. I have a unique desire to want JUSTICE for our Children. Our Children got a raw deal from day one. Most of us know when that day one was ....I'll leave that for another debate. We've been underfunded....we have no organized lobby in D.C. other then a bunch of screaming mothers from a certain org. that aren't doing anything.... Proposing Legislation in the proper format is the only way you'll be heard... Anyone wishing to do so let me know and I'll show how in a quit minute.... it's so easy. I feel it will take more then simple silent protest to stop what is going on in our schools. I take them out one by one or state by state... I audit the schools budget on every IEP..which makes them have to do it too... with my title they don't want to send me something out of balance...I'll turn it over to the districts FBI office for " Corruption of public Officials " ... This threat is there but not known or used by most or almost the majority. In Advocating, I try to 'teach advocacy' so the parent can then help others and themselves in the future with no cost and make the districts pay the attorneys for thier misfortunate abuse of the federal law. If you need help on your IEP or Due Process... Let me know... give me a call .....................Peaceforkids2005@...

Thanks for referring me to this exciting new group of motivated individuals .. my best to all.

May the children be in Peace.

E. , Sr. LiL Mikey's Daddy

~The Office Of Advocacy for Children with Disabilities (specializing in Autism...but we can handle anything)~~

E. , Sr. U.S. Civil Rights Lobbyist Peaceforkids2005@...

Specializing in Professional Educational Advocacy

But, We will look to help all

" We speak for those that can not, and with POWER"

ADVOCATING NATIONALLY IN PERSON AND BY TELECONFERENCE - Over 200 state advocates>From: EOHarm >Reply-EOHarm >EOHarm >Subject: Digest Number 307>Date: 20 Jun 2005 00:47:35 -0000>>There are 25 messages in this issue.>>Topics in this digest:>> 1. Re: OT: Of ProLife Concern dovetailing into Hg with our churches for a 1,2 punch!> From: " " <david@...>> 2. Re: Re: OT: Of ProLife Concern - Holly,all> From: karen beauvais <jesusnowworld@...>> 3. Re: Medical and Public Health Groups Sue EPA to Prevent Future Mercury Exposure, USA> From: " " <david@...>> 4. RE: Tests Reveal Bill Frist Also Has Half-Sized Brain> From: "Deb Gordon" <dgs@...>> 5. Re: Re: OT: Of ProLife Concern dovetailing into Hg with our churches for a 1,2 punch!> From: karen beauvais <jesusnowworld@...>> 6. Re: Medical and Public Health Groups Sue EPA to Prevent Future Mercury Exposure,> From: "nevergiveup883" <ynot2@...>> 7. Re: Re: Salon.com flushes its credibility down the toilet...oh really?> From: "jromkema" <jromkema@...>> 8. Re: Re: Senator > From: "Kerbob" <robertbloch@...>> 9. Re: "All Star" syndrome> From: "jromkema" <jromkema@...>> 10. Re: Re: Salon.com flushes its credibility down the toilet...oh really?> From: "Kerbob" <robertbloch@...>> 11. Re: Did anyone else have problems with this morning?> From: "AutismHelp4WA" <autismhelp4wa@...>> 12. RE: Re: Medical and Public Health Groups Sue EPA to Prevent Future Mercury Exposure, USA> From: " M. Webster" <jwebs94@...>> 13. AUTISM...CAN IT BE PREVENTED?> From: "redhead60707" <redhead60707@...>> 14. Re: "All Star" syndrome> From: "Kerbob" <robertbloch@...>> 15. RFK Jr. on Imus in the Morning?> From: " " <david@...>> 16. Re: NJ-Governor Hopeful Forrester and Thimerosal> From: "Ellen Sweeney" <esweeney22@...>> 17. Re: RFK Jr. on Imus in the Morning?> From: " Fournier" <@...>> 18. Re: RFK Jr. on Imus in the Morning?> From: " Kasemodel" <tkasemodel@...>> 19. Re: RFK Jr. on Imus in the Morning?> From: "Ellen Sweeney" <esweeney22@...>> 20. Re: AUTISM...CAN IT BE PREVENTED?> From: "Ellen Sweeney" <esweeney22@...>> 21. Video of Kirby on Imus last Friday> From: "nulani02" <nulani@...>> 22. Re: Re: RFK Jr. on Imus in the Morning?> From: " Fournier" <@...>> 23. Re: AUTISM...CAN IT BE PREVENTED?> From: " Kasemodel" <tkasemodel@...>> 24. Re: Medical and Public Health Groups Sue EPA to Prevent Future Mercury Exposure, USA> From: "Tim Ziegeweid" <rdurano@...>> 25. Re: really??> From: "Ellen Sweeney" <esweeney22@...>>>>________________________________________________________________________>________________________________________________________________________>>Message: 1> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:28:31 -0000> From: " " <david@...>>Subject: Re: OT: Of ProLife Concern dovetailing into Hg with our churches for a 1,2 punch!>>Great work, . Only thing I suggest that you add:>>"Encouraging pregnant women to receive thimerosal-containing flu>shots is the greatest assault on the unborn since Roe v. Wade--and>it is government sponsored, government sanctioned.>>"Most flue shots contain 25 mg of mercury. NO ONE can make an>argument that 25 mg of ethylmercury (the EPA's limit on daily>exposure to mercury is 0.1 mg/kg) does not endanger the unborn>child. A mother or fetus would have to weigh 550 lbs. to safely>receive a flu shot containing that much mercury.>>"We know that over 600,000 children are born each year with lowered>IQs related directly to the mother's mercury load.>>"Our government and Big Pharma are waging the greatest war on the>unborn since Roe v. Wade.>>"If you truly care about the unborn, please help stop this madness.">>Hope that helps.>>Davey's Dad> >>>>>>>I am WAY against all pro-life crap but if it works towards our goal, I am for it. Thimerosal should be offending everyone, not just the liberals. And if it take god to make the nuts, i mean pro-lifers, pay attention, then i say, pray on.> Re: Re: OT: Of ProLife Concern dovetailing into Hg with our churches for a 1,2 punch!>>>Dear Listmates:>The intent of this post is to make a case to the Pro Life community that amoral vaccine ingredients (human cells and Thimerosal(49% Mercury) are widely used in vaccines.>The purpose is to dispel myths that vaccines are always the right moral choice.>Some vaccines violate the premise that all people are entitled to basic sanctity of life, a foundational message of those who are Pro life.>When a flu shot contains enough toxic Mercury to harm anyone under 500lbs that issue becomes a serious moral dilemma in addition to all the respective public health dangers.>This post is directed towards Pro Lifers on this list and not intended to offend or fuel a fight with the Pro Choice members of this board. There is no steamrolling of an agenda here.>I only wish to educate and inform the conservative right. The following is suggested to educate pastors, rabbis and clergy to the crisis we are facing when the Pharmaceutical Industry is allowed to regulate itself.>Regardless of political leanings, our children are all subject to public health risk with the reckless use of Thimerosal in vaccines. The use of human tissue only lessens our trust for the manufacturer>The very fact that these individuals would know the neurodangers of Thimerosal and still convene at a Methodist retreat (Simpsonwood)to cover their tracks is morally bankrupt.>Love and Blessings to all as we fight this fight,>>>>>>--------------------------------->

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Are you chelating your son from Mercury poisoning

caused by thimerasol vaccines? What chelator are you

using?

--- " E. , Sr. US LOBBYIST,DC,CA,DoD "

<peaceforkids2005@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Aloha !

Best was kind enough to refer me to your group,

and after reviewing the enourmous amounts of posts on

different subjects, It would seem to me that this is

by far the most active online ASD Lobby I've seen

Ever. My name is E. , Sr. Reg. U.S.

Civil Rights Lobbyist, DC, CA, DoD ... and

Professional Educational Advocate, Nationwide.

Wheh... takes a long breath to spit that out !

Anyway... The Office of Advocacy for Disabled Children

is a new spinoff from a decade old Advocacy and

Lobbyist group for children with Autism. Changing

with the times but not changing the way we work.

I have a 12 year old son, non verbal but

breaking through with about 250 now... mostly command

words. He uses a Voca Tech talk that I achieved for

him after costing the state over 100,000 in defense

funds in a multi lawsuit and Due Process both running

at the same time. The District lost... we settled

with the state for 30,000 basically just for pissing

me off ! I am known to 'take down' districts,

states, etc. that are not in compliance by using

multiple contacts in DC and also working from the

bottom up as well... So they have complaints running

with the OCR, the US DEPT of ED office of spec ed

compliance OSEP, and with the D.C. A.D.A. compliance

office coming from the top while we work them from the

school level. Often almost every case is settled, not

all get 3Ok for pissing me off, but I've done a few..

the Asbury for 133K, The Frost for 49,500.... and

countless for 19,500...the magic number it seems......

this is in settlement after a due process is initiated

and I flood them with so many Motions they can't keep

up, hence I end up with them being granted in the

childs favor.

We do not work on a 'cost scale' or 'pay scale' , we

have helped over 15,000 parents online since 1996 and

2,200 in person. I have done all the in person

meetings or mostly hearings. I have a unique desire

to want JUSTICE for our Children. Our Children got a

raw deal from day one. Most of us know when that day

one was ....I'll leave that for another debate.

We've been underfunded....we have no organized lobby

in D.C. other then a bunch of screaming mothers from a

certain org. that aren't doing anything.... Proposing

Legislation in the proper format is the only way

you'll be heard... Anyone wishing to do so let me know

and I'll show how in a quit minute.... it's so easy.

I feel it will take more then simple silent protest to

stop what is going on in our schools. I take them out

one by one or state by state... I audit the schools

budget on every IEP..which makes them have to do it

too... with my title they don't want to send me

something out of balance...I'll turn it over to the

districts FBI office for " Corruption of public

Officials " ... This threat is there but not known or

used by most or almost the majority. In Advocating, I

try to 'teach advocacy' so the parent can then help

others and themselves in the future with no cost and

make the districts pay the attorneys for thier

misfortunate abuse of the federal law. If you need

help on your IEP or Due Process... Let me know... give

me a call

......................Peaceforkids2005@...

Thanks for referring me to this exciting new group of

motivated individuals .. my best to all.

May the children be in Peace.

E. , Sr. LiL Mikey's Daddy

~The Office Of Advocacy for Children with Disabilities

(specializing in Autism...but we can handle

anything)~~

E. , Sr. U.S. Civil Rights Lobbyist

Peaceforkids2005@...

Specializing in Professional Educational Advocacy

But, We will look to help all

" We speak for those that can not, and with POWER "

ADVOCATING NATIONALLY IN PERSON AND BY TELECONFERENCE

- Over 200 state advocates

>From: EOHarm

>Reply-EOHarm

>EOHarm

>Subject: Digest Number 307

>Date: 20 Jun 2005 00:47:35 -0000

>

>There are 25 messages in this issue.

>

>Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Re: OT: Of ProLife Concern dovetailing into Hg

with our churches for a 1,2 punch!

> From: " " <david@...>

> 2. Re: Re: OT: Of ProLife Concern - Holly,all

> From: karen beauvais <jesusnowworld@...>

> 3. Re: Medical and Public Health Groups Sue EPA to

Prevent Future Mercury Exposure, USA

> From: " " <david@...>

> 4. RE: Tests Reveal Bill Frist Also Has Half-Sized

Brain

> From: " Deb Gordon " <dgs@...>

> 5. Re: Re: OT: Of ProLife Concern dovetailing into

Hg with our churches for a 1,2 punch!

> From: karen beauvais <jesusnowworld@...>

> 6. Re: Medical and Public Health Groups Sue EPA to

Prevent Future Mercury Exposure,

> From: " nevergiveup883 " <ynot2@...>

> 7. Re: Re: Salon.com flushes its credibility down

the toilet...oh really?

> From: " jromkema " <jromkema@...>

> 8. Re: Re: Senator

> From: " Kerbob " <robertbloch@...>

> 9. Re: " All Star " syndrome

> From: " jromkema " <jromkema@...>

> 10. Re: Re: Salon.com flushes its credibility down

the toilet...oh really?

> From: " Kerbob " <robertbloch@...>

> 11. Re: Did anyone else have problems with

Groups this morning?

> From: " AutismHelp4WA " <autismhelp4wa@...>

> 12. RE: Re: Medical and Public Health Groups Sue EPA

to Prevent Future Mercury Exposure, USA

> From: " M. Webster " <jwebs94@...>

> 13. AUTISM...CAN IT BE PREVENTED?

> From: " redhead60707 " <redhead60707@...>

> 14. Re: " All Star " syndrome

> From: " Kerbob " <robertbloch@...>

> 15. RFK Jr. on Imus in the Morning?

> From: " " <david@...>

> 16. Re: NJ-Governor Hopeful Forrester and Thimerosal

> From: " Ellen Sweeney " <esweeney22@...>

> 17. Re: RFK Jr. on Imus in the Morning?

> From: " Fournier " <@...>

> 18. Re: RFK Jr. on Imus in the Morning?

> From: " Kasemodel " <tkasemodel@...>

> 19. Re: RFK Jr. on Imus in the Morning?

> From: " Ellen Sweeney " <esweeney22@...>

> 20. Re: AUTISM...CAN IT BE PREVENTED?

> From: " Ellen Sweeney " <esweeney22@...>

> 21. Video of Kirby on Imus last Friday

> From: " nulani02 " <nulani@...>

> 22. Re: Re: RFK Jr. on Imus in the Morning?

> From: " Fournier " <@...>

> 23. Re: AUTISM...CAN IT BE PREVENTED?

> From: " Kasemodel " <tkasemodel@...>

> 24. Re: Medical and Public Health Groups Sue EPA to

Prevent Future Mercury Exposure, USA

> From: " Tim Ziegeweid " <rdurano@...>

> 25. Re: really??

> From: " Ellen Sweeney " <esweeney22@...>

>

>

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>

>Message: 1

> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:28:31 -0000

> From: " " <david@...>

>Subject: Re: OT: Of ProLife Concern dovetailing into

Hg with our churches for a 1,2 punch!

>

>Great work, . Only thing I suggest that you add:

>

> " Encouraging pregnant women to receive

thimerosal-containing flu

>shots is the greatest assault on the unborn since Roe

v. Wade--and

>it is government sponsored, government sanctioned.

>

> " Most flue shots contain 25 mg of mercury. NO ONE can

make an

>argument that 25 mg of ethylmercury (the EPA's limit

on daily

>exposure to mercury is 0.1 mg/kg) does not endanger

the unborn

>child. A mother or fetus would have to weigh 550 lbs.

to safely

>receive a flu shot containing that much mercury.

>

> " We know that over 600,000 children are born each

year with lowered

>IQs related directly to the mother's mercury load.

>

> " Our government and Big Pharma are waging the

greatest war on the

>unborn since Roe v. Wade.

>

> " If you truly care about the unborn, please help stop

this madness. "

>

>Hope that helps.

>

>Davey's Dad

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>I am WAY against all pro-life crap but if it works

towards our goal, I am for it. Thimerosal should be

offending everyone, not just the liberals. And if it

take god to make the nuts, i mean pro-lifers, pay

attention, then i say, pray on.

> Re: Re: OT: Of ProLife Concern

dovetailing into Hg with our churches for a 1,2 punch!

>

>

>Dear Listmates:

>The intent of this post is to make a case to the Pro

Life community that amoral vaccine ingredients (human

cells and Thimerosal(49% Mercury) are widely used in

vaccines.

>The purpose is to dispel myths that vaccines are

always the right moral choice.

>Some vaccines violate the premise that all people are

entitled to basic sanctity of life, a foundational

message of those who are Pro life.

>When a flu shot contains enough toxic Mercury to harm

anyone under 500lbs that issue becomes a serious moral

dilemma in addition to all the respective public

health dangers.

>This post is directed towards Pro Lifers on this list

and not intended to offend or fuel a fight with the

Pro Choice members of this board. There is no

steamrolling of an agenda here.

>I only wish to educate and inform the conservative

right. The following is suggested to educate pastors,

rabbis and clergy to the crisis we are facing when the

Pharmaceutical Industry is allowed to regulate itself.

>Regardless of political leanings, our children are

all subject to public health risk with the reckless

use of Thimerosal in vaccines. The use of human tissue

only lessens our trust for the manufacturer

>The very fact that these individuals would know the

neurodangers of Thimerosal and still convene at a

Methodist retreat (Simpsonwood)to cover their tracks

is morally bankrupt.

>Love and Blessings to all as we fight this fight,

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'd say the pathenogenic bacteria is a great guess.

Organisms like E.coli and many forms of salmonella

thrive at or around our body temperature, and I'd

guess that the slightly acidic environment in your

nice warm kimchee is perfect for these little buggers

to thrive.

Some strains of salmonella can lie dormant on a dry

surface for up to six months, and all they need to

spring back into action is a moist, warm environment.

The b. mucous you experienced is a sypmtom of

salmonella poisoning.

Pathenogenic cause or not, the repetetive GI distress

you experience from eating the kimchee will eventually

cause damage to your intesines, and will result in

reduced absorption of all nutrients. Not a good

thing. You need to heal your gut....kiefer is a great

suggestion.

More importantly, I'd say stopping the kimchee is a

great idea. At least until you get a healthy gut.

-B

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[Guest guest]

Hey Group:

I have been busy and haven't kept up with the posts, but I had my 1st RT-PCR

test done, and it came back with 0.00136. For me I had reason to celebrate after

the mortality rate I was given at diagnosis. I will also celebrate as long as my

PCR doesn't say 1.0000 (hehehehehe).

Thanx Zavie and Tracey for all the info that you have given to me over the

years. . . I know that you guys are here for me and will always give me the

right information; something that I can't say about the Doctors. . . especially

those with GOD complexes.

Take care, and know that I have all of you in my prayers.

" K "

" I AIN'T FINISHED YET " !!!

[Guest guest]

Congrats on the great results K!!!

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Re: [ ] Digest Number 307

Hey Group:

I have been busy and haven't kept up with the posts, but I had my 1st RT-PCR

test done, and it came back with 0.00136. For me I had reason to celebrate after

the mortality rate I was given at diagnosis. I will also celebrate as long as my

PCR doesn't say 1.0000 (hehehehehe).

Thanx Zavie and Tracey for all the info that you have given to me over the

years. . . I know that you guys are here for me and will always give me the

right information; something that I can't say about the Doctors. . . especially

those with GOD complexes.

Take care, and know that I have all of you in my prayers.

" K "

" I AIN'T FINISHED YET " !!!