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Sue,

your daughter is having close to what is declared Gleevec " intolerance " .

Gleevec failure is when the disease progresses rather than digresses, likely

because of mutations. Intolerance is one fo the criteria that would allow

your daughter to get into one the other two drug trials, BMS and/or AMN. By

the way, Gleevec failure is also a criteria to get in those studies.

Best wishes,

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From: S. Folle [mailto:loggin23@...]

Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:05 PM

Subject: [ ] GLEEVEC FAILURE

Could someone please explain to me how you determine " Gleevec failure?: Is

it when the side effects become so obtrusive that you can't continue taking

it or when the Gleevec isn't working to fight the cancer?

My daughter is having such adverse side effects with fatigue, pigmentation

changes, diarrhea that I think it is time to look at other options but

because it continues to fight the leukemia, she doesn't think she should

stop it.

Of course, it is her decision and I respect that but it sure is hard to

hear her say she is " existing " instead of " living. "

Sue

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Hi Sue,

I'm having problems getting into a BMS trial even though I'm losing my response

to Gleevec. In the interim, I just want to mention to you some things that may

help your daughter. Forgive me, if you already know all of this. Procrit or

aranasep shots at regular intervals boost the production of red cells for

patients who have chemotherapy caused anemia and have fatigue. Have her

Hemaglobin checked and ask her doctor if Procrit would help. Then make sure her

insurance will cover it. It's very expensive but can completely eliminate

fatigue. As for diarreah, immodium ad (otc) is still the best anti-diarreahal I

know of. I never have known how to spell diarreah, by the way so excuse it if

it's wrong again!

Good luck!

L

[ ] GLEEVEC FAILURE

Could someone please explain to me how you determine " Gleevec failure?: Is it

when the side effects become so obtrusive that you can't continue taking it or

when the Gleevec isn't working to fight the cancer?

My daughter is having such adverse side effects with fatigue, pigmentation

changes, diarrhea that I think it is time to look at other options but because

it continues to fight the leukemia, she doesn't think she should stop it.

Of course, it is her decision and I respect that but it sure is hard to hear

her say she is " existing " instead of " living. "

Sue

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Sue, how long has she been taking Gleevec? What's her dose? Is her doc working

with her to aggressively manage the side effects, or is s/he a " just be grateful

there's Gleevec and quit bitching " type?

A lot of us have dealt with these side effects but in many cases they've

lessened over time. The first few months I had nausea, bone and joint pain that

kept me awake at night, rashes and just utter exhaustion. I'm getting close to a

year on Gleevec and some of those have passed or lessened and others I'm

managing -- take compazine for the nausea, gab frequent cat naps throughout the

day.

Please stay in touch and let us know how it's going. The depression over side

effects can really wallop you and support is important.

" S. Folle " wrote:

> Could someone please explain to me how you determine " Gleevec failure?: Is it

when the side effects become so obtrusive that you can't continue taking it or

when the Gleevec isn't working to fight the cancer?

> My daughter is having such adverse side effects with fatigue, pigmentation

changes, diarrhea that I think it is time to look at other options but because

it continues to fight the leukemia, she doesn't think she should stop it.

> Of course, it is her decision and I respect that but it sure is hard to hear

her say she is " existing " instead of " living. "

>

> Sue

>

>

>

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Procrit! My doc never mentioned that. Exactly what is that? I'd be thrilled to

get my energy back! Especially mental energy!

Loewenkamp wrote:

> Hi Sue,

>

> I'm having problems getting into a BMS trial even though I'm losing my

response to Gleevec. In the interim, I just want to mention to you some things

that may help your daughter. Forgive me, if you already know all of this.

Procrit or aranasep shots at regular intervals boost the production of red cells

for patients who have chemotherapy caused anemia and have fatigue. Have her

Hemaglobin checked and ask her doctor if Procrit would help. Then make sure her

insurance will cover it. It's very expensive but can completely eliminate

fatigue. As for diarreah, immodium ad (otc) is still the best anti-diarreahal I

know of. I never have known how to spell diarreah, by the way so excuse it if

it's wrong again!

>

> Good luck!

>

> L

> [ ] GLEEVEC FAILURE

>

> Could someone please explain to me how you determine " Gleevec failure?: Is

it when the side effects become so obtrusive that you can't continue taking it

or when the Gleevec isn't working to fight the cancer?

> My daughter is having such adverse side effects with fatigue, pigmentation

changes, diarrhea that I think it is time to look at other options but because

it continues to fight the leukemia, she doesn't think she should stop it.

> Of course, it is her decision and I respect that but it sure is hard to

hear her say she is " existing " instead of " living. "

>

> Sue

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

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Your mentioning that rang a gong for me. Along with this fatigure, I've had

this weird symptom -- I can't quit yawning! -- that actually can be very

frightening. I just feel like I can't get a breath, despite continuous,

excessive yawning. I didn't know what that was about.

Cogan wrote:

> At 11:11 AM 3/2/06 -0800, you wrote:

>

> >Procrit! My doc never mentioned that. Exactly what is that? I'd be

> >thrilled to get my energy back! Especially mental energy!

> >

> >

>

> Hi ,

>

> Procrit is a red cell booster and is only for low red cells or hemoglobin,

> not for general fatigue. Usually if you are lower than hgb of 10....it is

> considered/recommended and insurance will cover it.

> Low hgb can make you feel tired, out of breath with activity and maybe also

> mentally tired.....because you have less oxygen in your blood.

>

> C.

>

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At 11:11 AM 3/2/06 -0800, you wrote:

>Procrit! My doc never mentioned that. Exactly what is that? I'd be

>thrilled to get my energy back! Especially mental energy!

>

>

Hi ,

Procrit is a red cell booster and is only for low red cells or hemoglobin,

not for general fatigue. Usually if you are lower than hgb of 10....it is

considered/recommended and insurance will cover it.

Low hgb can make you feel tired, out of breath with activity and maybe also

mentally tired.....because you have less oxygen in your blood.

C.

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At 11:45 AM 3/2/06 -0800, you wrote:

>Your mentioning that rang a gong for me. Along with this fatigure, I've had

>this weird symptom -- I can't quit yawning! -- that actually can be very

>frightening. I just feel like I can't get a breath, despite continuous,

>excessive yawning. I didn't know what that was about.

Do you know what your hgb or hct are?? do you get copies of your blood tests.

I use Procrit, did not need it on 400mg Gleevec, but did when I went to

800mg....(I am now on BMS and still use Procrit).

At hbg of 10, I am dragging a bit and mentally tired..........We try to

keep my hgb closer to the low end of normal at 12.

C.

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Hello Sue, it's been a while since we chatted.

I am sorry to hear that your daughter is having such a rough time with

Gleevec.

My first question is how many mgs is she taking and when was her last PCR

test and or BMB? Also what were the results of these test?

ez

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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:04:38 -0800 (PST)

From: " S. Folle " <loggin23@...>

Subject: GLEEVEC FAILURE

Could someone please explain to me how you determine " Gleevec failure?: Is

it when the side effects become so obtrusive that you can't continue taking

it or when the Gleevec isn't working to fight the cancer?

My daughter is having such adverse side effects with fatigue, pigmentation

changes, diarrhea that I think it is time to look at other options but

because it continues to fight the leukemia, she doesn't think she should

stop it.

Of course, it is her decision and I respect that but it sure is hard to

hear her say she is " existing " instead of " living. "

Sue

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In a message dated 3/2/2006 1:05:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

loggin23@... writes:

My daughter is having such adverse side effects with fatigue, pigmentation

changes, diarrhea that I think it is time to look at other options but because

it continues to fight the leukemia, she doesn't think she should stop it.

Of course, it is her decision and I respect that but it sure is hard to hear

her say she is " existing " instead of " living

Dear Sue, I know just what your daughter means. Quality of life sure is hard

to maintain while undergoing this treatment. I live, but I don't feel as

though I " thrive " and your last sentence really does sum it up. I know a lot of

us suffer the same side effects and I am truly amazed at how some people do so

well and others do not on Gleevec. I sure wish there would come a day when I

felt well enough to do a full day's work, just grocery shopping leaves me

feeling so tired I cannot even think of cooking a meal afterwards. But I do

try and get out each day just to give myself the feeling of " living " and not

giving in to Gleevec's mean side effects. My heart goes out to your daughter,

please tell her she is not alone in feeling the way she does. - Lynne A.

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