Guest guest Posted November 18, 2001 Report Share Posted November 18, 2001 I don't know if this has been pointed out, but scarlet fever is just a bad strep infection. My dh had it last year. His infection got out of control because he didn't take good care of himself after surgery. And, he was misdiagnosed when he first went to the dr. So we ended up in the ER when he started experiencing a nasty red rash, high fever, and weakness in his hands. ER dr. said the rash was what they call scarlet fever in small children, and was just the blood trying to fight the infection as it wen through his body. It's like when my kids had what I believe to be measles a month or so ago. Nobody is willing to name it because we're not supposed to be able to get these things. M. in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 It's also known as " strep throat " , I believe. Like pertussis, I wouldn't be inviting it in if I were you. The only ones I'd visit with would be measles mumps, rubella and chickenpox. Sue x -- scarlet fever A post came through on my schooling group that a kid has scarlet fever. How do you treat it and should I invite the kids and myself over? Nita, and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1 <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not necessarily current pictures http://nitasspot.blogspot.com I'm like a snapdragon: half of me has snapped and the other is draggin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 I've had strep throat before.. and wasn't told I had scarlet fever. How do we know if it's one and the same? And this isn't one of those that brings lifelong immunity then if you have it does it then b/c you can get it repeatedly, yes? Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1 http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not necessarily current pictures http://nitasspot.blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 I had it as a kid. No biggie. I'd take the kids over. The usual - rash. From start in armpits and groin, to neck, chest, back, & limbs. It looks funny on the face to kids, as the area round the mouth doesn't rash! Looked like monkeys. It's Streptococcus pyogenes - presumably they are throwing out a bit of garbage through the skin. Sore throat, a bit of fever and my skin peeled after. My brother's skin didn't peel. That was 45 yrs ago and I never met anyone else who had it. It waned along the same lines as the diseases that have vaccines, but there was never any widespread marketing of SF vaccine. I believe some were produced but they were never adopted as a public health measure. Your kids may not even get it even if you all visit. If they do, it's the usual story, Vit A & C, plenty of fluids including fresh home-made unpasteurised juices . No fever meds or SB's. Bed rest if needed. To mum's chagrin, we didn't need the bed rest. Love, Mara From: Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> Subject: scarlet fever Vaccinations Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 7:11 PM A post came through on my schooling group that a kid has scarlet fever. How do you treat it and should I invite the kids and myself over? Nita, and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1 <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not necessarily current pictures http://nitasspot.blogspot.com I'm like a snapdragon: half of me has snapped and the other is draggin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Streptococcus pyogenes: A common bacteria of the skin that causes strep throat (streptococcal pharyngitis), impetigo, other skin infections, rheumatic fever, scarlet fever, glomerulonephritis, and invasive fasciitis. Different body part, different name. Chances are it is already on your skin and in your throat! Most of us show no symptoms, as it is doing its job of cleaning up. If we eat poorly then there will be more endotoxin produced and it is this that causes the RA, Brights Disease etc. as we will have no resistance. (I can spell glomerulonephritis but I'm blowed if I can get my tongue around it. ) S pyogenes causes sinusitis, scarlet fever & can infect wounds. The scarlet fever rash starts in the armpits and neck area and spreads from there & that monkey look is characteristic, but not in all cases. It is the most superficial if one is healthy. The others go deeper & are a result of using meds etc. There are other strains - mutans, (on tooth enamel) pneumoniae (resp, but can cause conjuntivitis), sanguis (teeth), sobrinus teeth also. From: Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> Subject: RE: scarlet fever Vaccinations Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 7:43 PM I've had strep throat before.. and wasn't told I had scarlet fever. How do we know if it's one and the same? And this isn't one of those that brings lifelong immunity then if you have it does it then b/c you can get it repeatedly, yes? Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1 http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not necessarily current pictures http://nitasspot.blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Hello Group, My daughter came home today with a notice from her school to inform us that she may have been exposed to strep throat and scarlet fever. Is this anything to be concerned about? And, if so, is there anything to do other than scrubbing hands every five minutes? Thank you for your input. Janielle Hedt w/w diagnosed 09/2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 I am wondering if you are referring to anything to do for your daughter versus anything to do for you? Regarding your daughter, I would speak with the pediatrician. Usually there is nothing to do and the strep throat spreads through the class. 40% of my son's class was out with strep earlier in the year. Regarding you, there is very little that you likely need to be concerned about. If your child is not symptomatic, there is a very low likelihood of spreading strep. Should your child become symptomatic, you will be able to avoid running into trouble by just routine sensible things. Rick Furman > > Hello Group, > My daughter came home today with a notice from her school to inform us that she may have been exposed to strep throat and scarlet fever. Is this anything to be concerned about? And, if so, is there anything to do other than scrubbing hands every five minutes? > > Thank you for your input. > > Janielle Hedt > w/w diagnosed 09/2007 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Scarlet fever is Group A strep, as in strep throat. In fact, it's my understanding they confirm scarlet fever through a throat culture. So, it's really a strep outbreak rather than a scarlet fever outbreak, with the rash from scarlet fever some kids get and some don't along with strep throat (or impetigo). However, sometimes rashes are loosely diagnosed and assumed to be one thing or another. You'd really need lab confirmation first. I'd never take antibiotics without that. It's worth the couple of days wait, especially in these days of kids getting mysterious rashes/measles from the MMR or other vaccines. And, yes, I would give antibiotics for that. Others might not. Winnie Scarlet FeverVaccinations > Hi all,> Just wondering, is it necessary to treat Scarlet Fever w/antibiotics?> There's an 'outbreak' of it in Central Florida....> > Thanks,> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Thanks for the info Winnie....just getting my ducks in order just in case.... ~ > > Scarlet fever is Group A strep, as in strep throat. In fact, it's my understanding they confirm scarlet fever through a throat culture. So, it's really a strep outbreak rather than a scarlet fever outbreak, with the rash from scarlet fever some kids get and some don't along with strep throat (or impetigo). > > However, sometimes rashes are loosely diagnosed and assumed to be one thing or another. You'd really need lab confirmation first. I'd never take antibiotics without that. It's worth the couple of days wait, especially in these days of kids getting mysterious rashes/measles from the MMR or other vaccines. > > And, yes, I would give antibiotics for that. Others might not. > > Winnie > > Scarlet Fever > Vaccinations > > > Hi all, > > Just wondering, is it necessary to treat Scarlet Fever w/antibiotics? > > There's an 'outbreak' of it in Central Florida.... > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Last year a new drug resistant strain of scarlet fever was observed in Hong Kong. Just to let you all know.... ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...> "Vaccinations " <Vaccinations > Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Re: Scarlet Fever How many of you know that there was a scarlet fever vaccine that was developed in 1924? The scarlet fever vaccine was pulled in the early 1940s because penicillin was a better treatment for it than the vaccine prophylaxis. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_fever jump to history. ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: upatdawnreadytowork <upatdawnreadytowork@...> Vaccinations Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Scarlet Fever Thanks for the info Winnie....just getting my ducks in order just in case.... ~ > > Scarlet fever is Group A strep, as in strep throat. In fact, it's my understanding they confirm scarlet fever through a throat culture. So, it's really a strep outbreak rather than a scarlet fever outbreak, with the rash from scarlet fever some kids get and some don't along with strep throat (or impetigo). > > However, sometimes rashes are loosely diagnosed and assumed to be one thing or another. You'd really need lab confirmation first. I'd never take antibiotics without that. It's worth the couple of days wait, especially in these days of kids getting mysterious rashes/measles from the MMR or other vaccines. > > And, yes, I would give antibiotics for that. Others might not. > > Winnie > > Scarlet Fever > Vaccinations > > > Hi all, > > Just wondering, is it necessary to treat Scarlet Fever w/antibiotics? > > There's an 'outbreak' of it in Central Florida.... > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 it is always around blamed on strep homeopathy treats the person well with the symptoms they blame on strep Sheri At 09:28 PM 1/8/2012, you wrote: >Hi all, >Just wondering, is it necessary to treat Scarlet Fever w/antibiotics? >There's an 'outbreak' of it in Central Florida.... > >Thanks, > > > > >------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Thank you very much for the info Sheri! I will print it out and share!!! ~ > > http://hpathy.com/cause-symptoms-treatment/scarlet-fever/ > > http://www.littlemountainhomeopathy.com/homeopathic-immunizations/history-of-hom\ eopathic-immunizations > > Early History: Homeopathic Prevention of Scarlet Fever, Cholera and Smallpox > > In 1799, the founder of homeopathy, Dr. Hahnemann, used the > homeopathic remedy Belladonna successfully to prevent Scarlet Fever. > Following Hahnemann's example, another eleven medical doctors > prescribed Belladonna during the same epidemic. They reported that of > 1,646 children exposed to scarlet fever after being given Belladonna, > only 123 (7.4%) developed symptoms of infection. In contrast, the > infection rate in those who did not receive the prophylactic was as > high as 90%. In 1838 the Prussian Government ordered the use of > Belladonna during all scarlet fever epidemics after a report from > their chief of physicians, Hufeland, showed it to be an effective prophylactic. > > http://homeopathy.inbaltimore.org/saine3.html > > An editor of a medical journal challenged Lippe to publish his > mandatory report to the state for the two previous years. He had not > lost a single case ill from acute disease. He had the largest medical > practice in Philadelphia. In 1849 here was an epidemic of scarlet > fever. Lippe treated over 150 cases and lost none. Allopaths lost 90% > of their cases and the rest were crippled for life. These results are > not unique to Lippe. The homeopathic literature is full of these > stories. When there was an epidemic of cholera in New York in 1849 > the public demanded that the authorities convert one of the hospitals > to homeopathy. They refused. In Genoa a rich person tried to build a > hospital to treat victims of cholera with homeopathy. The authorities > refused. This sort of response was universal. It was not just the > AMA. If homeopathy were universally used, there would be a dramatic > drop in the death rate. But people are trying to destroy homeopathy. > Not only the morbidity from disease, the morbidity from allopathic > treatment would be eliminated. Between 450,000 and 500,000 people a > year die each year from iatrogenic disease. There is not just > death, there are long term bad results from allopathic treatment. > The doctor who organized a conference on autism said his child was > normal at two years old. She got a vaccination, screamed all night > long, then stopped talking. > > www.the-cma.org.uk/cma_images/Jayney's%20Presentation.pdf > > http://homeopathyplus.com.au/treatment-of-epidemic-diseases/ > > In Carlisle Lippe had treated scarlet fever. An allopathic doctor, > Armstrong, had lost all the cases he had treated. Then three of > his four children came down with scarlet fever and he went to Lippe. > They were cured and he became a homeopath and moved to New Jersey. I > think it was because he had treated his own children differently than > his other patients and felt guilty. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 One more question - I have Belladonna on hand. As to the best of my knowledge, we have not been exposed (?) ... should I wait to give this rememdy until symptoms present or do it now? ~ > > http://hpathy.com/cause-symptoms-treatment/scarlet-fever/ > > http://www.littlemountainhomeopathy.com/homeopathic-immunizations/history-of-hom\ eopathic-immunizations > > Early History: Homeopathic Prevention of Scarlet Fever, Cholera and Smallpox > > In 1799, the founder of homeopathy, Dr. Hahnemann, used the > homeopathic remedy Belladonna successfully to prevent Scarlet Fever. > Following Hahnemann's example, another eleven medical doctors > prescribed Belladonna during the same epidemic. They reported that of > 1,646 children exposed to scarlet fever after being given Belladonna, > only 123 (7.4%) developed symptoms of infection. In contrast, the > infection rate in those who did not receive the prophylactic was as > high as 90%. In 1838 the Prussian Government ordered the use of > Belladonna during all scarlet fever epidemics after a report from > their chief of physicians, Hufeland, showed it to be an effective prophylactic. > > http://homeopathy.inbaltimore.org/saine3.html > > An editor of a medical journal challenged Lippe to publish his > mandatory report to the state for the two previous years. He had not > lost a single case ill from acute disease. He had the largest medical > practice in Philadelphia. In 1849 here was an epidemic of scarlet > fever. Lippe treated over 150 cases and lost none. Allopaths lost 90% > of their cases and the rest were crippled for life. These results are > not unique to Lippe. The homeopathic literature is full of these > stories. When there was an epidemic of cholera in New York in 1849 > the public demanded that the authorities convert one of the hospitals > to homeopathy. They refused. In Genoa a rich person tried to build a > hospital to treat victims of cholera with homeopathy. The authorities > refused. This sort of response was universal. It was not just the > AMA. If homeopathy were universally used, there would be a dramatic > drop in the death rate. But people are trying to destroy homeopathy. > Not only the morbidity from disease, the morbidity from allopathic > treatment would be eliminated. Between 450,000 and 500,000 people a > year die each year from iatrogenic disease. There is not just > death, there are long term bad results from allopathic treatment. > The doctor who organized a conference on autism said his child was > normal at two years old. She got a vaccination, screamed all night > long, then stopped talking. > > www.the-cma.org.uk/cma_images/Jayney's%20Presentation.pdf > > http://homeopathyplus.com.au/treatment-of-epidemic-diseases/ > > In Carlisle Lippe had treated scarlet fever. An allopathic doctor, > Armstrong, had lost all the cases he had treated. Then three of > his four children came down with scarlet fever and he went to Lippe. > They were cured and he became a homeopath and moved to New Jersey. I > think it was because he had treated his own children differently than > his other patients and felt guilty. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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