08 - Re: Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM)

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i would like to know that, where these TCM ,are available where, so that many patients of cll can be benefitted from use of these alternatives

sanesh

From: esractellen <rhudy@...>Subject: 08 - Re: Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 3:34 AM

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Well said, Marietta. TCM is not a quick fix. For cll, we do

have time (most of us, who are just hanging around) for this approach.

I am curious, if you don't mind sharing, when you discovered you were in

Stage 4, what your WBC was at the time, and what, if any, conventional

tx. you used.

Thanks,

Ellen R.

mariettabrill wrote:

I promise this is the last of my big fat alternative medicine posts...

I think for us Westerners it's hard to buy into holistic approaches

is the very idea of the body as an interconnected "whole."

We know that the hip bone's connected to the thigh bone, but there are

few doctors who will intuitively make a connection between bacteria and

ulcer, as Ellen pointed out. We're learning everything piecemeal. If we

can't see it, it doesn't exist. This isn't bad - in fact it's proven heroic

in so many ways - just different.

In TCM etc. there's a belief in underlying, interconnected forces of

energy that keep the body in balance. I don't know Dr. Tien, but I can

see how he might not be interested in the particulars of CLL if he's got

a pulse (literally) on what he considers more essential forces -- like

"liver chi stagnation," which might relate to the liver, or a course of

energy known as the liver meridian. Until I took some time to understand

this alien concept, it was easy to dismiss the "logic" behind it and get

just a little freaked out when I first visited a chinese doctor who prescribed

a pile of herbs that looked like a bird's nest.

The other thing is that, unlike Western medicine which aims for a quick

fix, many alternative approaches take time to undo what might be a lifetime

of accruing toxicity that finally reached a tipping point to change our

DNA. This might be why with TCM you really have to buy into a regimen -

cause people like us are in it for the long haul. Conversely, Western medicine

is really really good at treating things like infections, which often hit

quickly and need to be fixed quickly.

I tried TCM before I even knew what was wrong with me - I just felt

rundown. The doctor gave me herbs. After a bad bronchitis, I saw a regular

MD and found out I was in Stage 4 - RBC of 5 and platelets around 30,000.

The miracle was that I could still climb the 3 flights and care for my

kindergartner. It didn't cure the CLL, but I'm positive that it helped

keep me going. There's always been a nagging belief that, if I'd stuck

with it, I might have slowly returned to some healthier balance.

nuff said!

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Check messages 10729, 10730, and 10731. There may be other TCM oncs. For an

nccaom certified practitioner, go to http://www.nccaom.org

Ellen R.

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