Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Hi: Is grapefruit still a no=no with gleevec? I love it and I crave it-- grapefruit that is. They are so big and juicy now. When I eat one, I try to eat it long after taking the gleevec. Any facts or opinions? MJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Everytime I eat one I throw-up. Doc says that the liver enzimes that break down the fruit also break down gleevec so when you eat the fruit your liver makes more enzimes to break it down and so there are more enzimes in the system to break down the gleevce... causeing me to get a bigger dose of the gleevec than I would normaly absorb. GARP! lol It sounds like the doc knows what he's talking about. Emy G > > Hi: > > Is grapefruit still a no=no with gleevec? I love it and I crave it-- > grapefruit that is. They are so big and juicy now. When I eat one, I > try to eat it long after taking the gleevec. Any facts or opinions? MJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Hi Dan, Grapefruit interferes with a lot of drugs because there is an enzyme in it that is metabolized through the liver. This can alter the metabolization of various drugs, making their serum levels inconsistent. Grapefruit increases the serum level of Gleevec, meaning that it will be more potent than it would be otherwise. In other words, if you're taking 400mg and you add grapefruit, you might have serum levels which would be equivalent to an 800mg dose. If you already suffer from side effects, these will be enhanced if you eat grapefruit. I wouldn't want to mess around with my serum levels on a regular basis but if you really, really love grapefruit, and want to indulge yourself once in a blue moon, I wouldn't worry about it, but you should ask your doctor to be sure. Take care, Tracey > Does anyone know why we are not suppose to take grapefruit juice. I like > the stuff and miss it. Is it just when you take the Gleevec or is it > forbidden at all times. > > Thanks, > > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Strange as it seems. Grapefruit was the one thing I truly missed and craved while on Gleevec. My Dr. said it was not ok to have at all. I did have to have several drug holidays while on it and I certainly got my quota in then! Your Dr. may have a different opinion, see what he says-good luck,it makes you want something more when told you can't have it..... susanne > > Does anyone know why we are not suppose to take grapefruit juice. I > like > > the stuff and miss it. Is it just when you take the Gleevec or is it > > forbidden at all times. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Thank you for that learned explanation, Tracey. I was also wondering about the ban on grapefruits and gf juice, which I also like and miss. > > Does anyone know why we are not suppose to take grapefruit juice. I > like > > the stuff and miss it. Is it just when you take the Gleevec or is it > > forbidden at all times. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I have had all of those tests done. Also nothing I did including diet had any affect on the candida so I am thinking it is from the seven mercury fillings in my mouth that I can't afford to have removed. The only test that came out bad was the adrenal test, she said it was the worst she had ever seen. But why would low adrenals affect the way my body reacts to grapefruit???? Also no matter what I do I can't get my PH level near normal because the candida is so severe that I am picking bubbly slime out of my throat day and night every minute or so. Really bad but don't know what to do to change it after having tried everything. I am on a permanent diet of vegies, fruits, fish and never touch dairy, meat, sugar or processed foods but it makes no difference. Been on this diet now for over eight years. ONly fruit I eat is occasional fresh blueberries. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 candida the liver cleanse is the most effective tool to deal with candida. candida diminishes in the presence of of bile (which is lacking with a liver full of stones) and candida spreads when waste is forced to remain in the gut and moves upward from the colon into the small intestine and stomach also pau darco is helpful along with xylitol, not eating after 7 or 8pm is essential judy On Feb 21, 2010, at 2:11 AM, ectopistes@... wrote: > > I have had all of those tests done. Also nothing I did including diet > had any affect on the candida so I am thinking it is from the seven > mercury fillings in my mouth that I can't afford to have removed. The > only test that came out bad was the adrenal test, she said it was the > worst she had ever seen. But why would low adrenals affect the way my > body reacts to grapefruit???? > > Also no matter what I do I can't get my PH level near normal because > the > candida is so severe that I am picking bubbly slime out of my throat > day > and night every minute or so. Really bad but don't know what to do to > change it after having tried everything. I am on a permanent diet of > vegies, fruits, fish and never touch dairy, meat, sugar or processed > foods but it makes no difference. > Been on this diet now for over eight years. ONly fruit I eat is > occasional fresh blueberries. > > Steph > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 obviously your diet needs tweaking. Gargle with warm saly water 3 times a day. From: ectopistes@... <ectopistes@...> Subject: Re: grapefruit gallstones Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 2:11 AM  I have had all of those tests done. Also nothing I did including diet had any affect on the candida so I am thinking it is from the seven mercury fillings in my mouth that I can't afford to have removed. The only test that came out bad was the adrenal test, she said it was the worst she had ever seen. But why would low adrenals affect the way my body reacts to grapefruit?? ?? Also no matter what I do I can't get my PH level near normal because the candida is so severe that I am picking bubbly slime out of my throat day and night every minute or so. Really bad but don't know what to do to change it after having tried everything. I am on a permanent diet of vegies, fruits, fish and never touch dairy, meat, sugar or processed foods but it makes no difference. Been on this diet now for over eight years. ONly fruit I eat is occasional fresh blueberries. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 http://www.nutriteam.com/candida.htm > > > I have had all of those tests done. Also nothing I did including diet > had any affect on the candida so I am thinking it is from the seven > mercury fillings in my mouth that I can't afford to have removed. The > only test that came out bad was the adrenal test, she said it was the > worst she had ever seen. But why would low adrenals affect the way my > body reacts to grapefruit???? > > Also no matter what I do I can't get my PH level near normal because the > candida is so severe that I am picking bubbly slime out of my throat day > and night every minute or so. Really bad but don't know what to do to > change it after having tried everything. I am on a permanent diet of > vegies, fruits, fish and never touch dairy, meat, sugar or processed > foods but it makes no difference. > Been on this diet now for over eight years. ONly fruit I eat is > occasional fresh blueberries. > > Steph > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I am on a group for autistic kids and we deal with yeast alot. What we do to treat yeast is GSE (grapefruit seed extract) - unless of course you react, which maybe you do. Start with 2-4 drops in juice in a.m., then increase slowly to 5 drops in am and 5 drops in pm. Also, Candex or Candidase can help, biotin daily (start at 500mcg, and slowly increase). My 6 yo dd takes 15-20,000 mcg a day now, but take along with magnesium for absorption. Also, are you taking a probiotic? My dd takes 50 billion - Klaire's Detox Support, once a day, or sometimes twice a day. But start out at a much lower amount and work up. Apples and apple juice increase yeast, but ACV is supposed to help it. Oil of Oregano fights yeast and bacteria. Eat lots of fresh garlic. These are a few things we do. If you still can't get it under control, you can try prescriptions like Nystatin from your doctor but it tends to recur after stopping sometimes. Don't take any antibiotics unless you absolutely have to. You can do a test from Great Plains called an OAT test that will tell you exactly how much yeast you have and what types. Yeast is a beast. We do all these things and can control yeast a bit, but still have problems. Most multivitamins will increase yeast, as will the B vitamins, but we at least can get a handle on it. Sheri http://allnaturalmomof3.blogspot.com Mark 10:27 " Jesus said to them, " With man this is impossible, but not with God. With God, all things are possible. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Thanks Sheri, have done everything you suggested (even best grapefruit seed drops) without success. Only thing I didn't try is the OAT test. ?? I still think the problem is I have 7 mercury fillings and a few years back got arsenic poisoning---very bad combo I understand. Wish I had the $$$$ to get the fillings out. AND YES, all things are possible with God and to them that believe----sometimes that's a battle too LOL. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 those test results must be in the upper third quadrant or else less than could mean you are not getting enough thyroid hormone into the cell wall--- get me your results--- along with Anti-M--antibody tests tsh-- reverse t3 test as well--- diabetes is a sure sign of yeast---what is your blood fasting number--- must get correct testing-- there is a reason for yeast-- > > > I have had all of those tests done. Also nothing I did including diet > had any affect on the candida so I am thinking it is from the seven > mercury fillings in my mouth that I can't afford to have removed. The > only test that came out bad was the adrenal test, she said it was the > worst she had ever seen. But why would low adrenals affect the way my > body reacts to grapefruit???? > > Also no matter what I do I can't get my PH level near normal because the > candida is so severe that I am picking bubbly slime out of my throat day > and night every minute or so. Really bad but don't know what to do to > change it after having tried everything. I am on a permanent diet of > vegies, fruits, fish and never touch dairy, meat, sugar or processed > foods but it makes no difference. > Been on this diet now for over eight years. ONly fruit I eat is > occasional fresh blueberries. > > Steph > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 That's interesting. Is it safe to do a " mild " version of a liver cleanse on kids (if that's even possible)? My 6 yr old daughter has mild autism and one of the biggest issues is yeast which most ASD kids can't ever get under control. We've never done anything for her liver, other than artichoke extract supplements, which now she can't take. She does low oxalate diet. Seems like we've tried every diet out there. She seems to have issues with a lot of food and the only thing I feel we can do is remove the foods so she doesn't react. Ie. If she eats high oxalate foods and most veggies, she has accidents, even at school, so I'm forced to limit them greatly. When she eats no fruits and veggies, she has no accidents, but I'm always worried about her nutrition. She eats a lot of beef and chicken and rice, and melons. Sheri http://allnaturalmomof3.blogspot.com Mark 10:27 " Jesus said to them, " With man this is impossible, but not with God. With God, all things are possible. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 yes children can do the liver cleanse, cut the ingredients in half judy, cleansing coach On Feb 22, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Sheri wrote: > That's interesting. Is it safe to do a " mild " version of a liver > cleanse on > kids (if that's even possible)? My 6 yr old daughter has mild autism > and > one of the biggest issues is yeast which most ASD kids can't ever > get under > control. We've never done anything for her liver, other than artichoke > extract supplements, which now she can't take. She does low oxalate > diet. > Seems like we've tried every diet out there. She seems to have > issues with > a lot of food and the only thing I feel we can do is remove the > foods so she > doesn't react. Ie. If she eats high oxalate foods and most veggies, > she > has accidents, even at school, so I'm forced to limit them greatly. > When > she eats no fruits and veggies, she has no accidents, but I'm always > worried > about her nutrition. She eats a lot of beef and chicken and rice, and > melons. > > Sheri > > http://allnaturalmomof3.blogspot.com > > Mark 10:27 " Jesus said to them, " With man this is impossible, but > not with > God. With God, all things are possible. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Steph, I wonder if Boutenko's strategy of using green smoothies might be the breakthrough you are searching for in your diet? I just discovered her books, the latest of which is " Green Smoothie Revolution " . I have had the experience of trying many diets and benefiting from them for a short time, then plateauing. describes reaching similar plateaus eating a raw vegetarian diet and then finding a solution for the stalemate in blended raw greens. I have been experimenting with green smoothies for a while and think they might be what I have been looking for. Perhaps that is worth looking into for your needs. Good wishes to you in your quest for health! All the best, Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 I would do that Terry but I don't have the will power for nothing but greens and green drinks for a year. I would eat someones arm off if they got too close to me or the ass end off of the nearest dog. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 LOL! Steph's " spring and autumn " gallbladder diet... Re: Re: Grapefruit I would do that Terry but I don't have the will power for nothing but greens and green drinks for a year. I would eat someones arm off if they got too close to me or the ass end off of the nearest dog. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Yes Dave, peoples arms and dog thighs, but no greens please. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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