Re: thinking of education early.....

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In a message dated 12/16/2000 5:52:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Donnamyoung1974@... writes:

<< am faced with putting her in Kings Daughters and knowing she

will be totally excepted there or putting her in public school where the

teachers and students may not be as excepting, >>

Hi Donna!

The law states that a child must be educated in the Least Restrictive

Environment. That puts Kings Daughter out the window and if the school

expects all children with disabilities to attend there, then they are

violating federal law. It is too early to tell what your daugther will need

5 years from now. You have 5 years to learn IDEA and also to see what is

best for your child. I have a friend who just put her daughter in a very

restrictive environment...but she needed it. She is progressing very well in

the few short months she has been attending school. Besides DS, her daughter

is also severely MR and autistic. She has major sensory needs. There could

be kids with DS and autism who also have sensory needs educated in a regular

environment. The I in IDEA stands for individualized.

[Guest guest]

Donna,

Good for you for planning ahead!! It comes faster than you think....actually

with preschool!!

I am VERY pro inclusion so if it were MY choice I would say go for that ,

BUT, the fact is that it is a very personal choice that you and your family

need to decide.

I will tell you from MY point of view that it is an uphill battle much of the

time, we still have alot of educating to do. But, for us, it is worth every

battle, every tear, every gray hair...(and I do have plenty).

When I look at my son and the other children in the school with ds I see such

a social AND academic difference. I get very frustrated when I see other

children in 4th grade who are working on their ABC's when my son is spelling

and reading (not at grade level..BUT.... he is learning!!)

HOWEVER, not wanting to step on any toes, it has to be YOUR decision and no

one can really say one is right for all or wrong for all.

If you have any more specific questions, you can email privately.

[Guest guest]

<<she is only 3 months old but i guess it never hurts to

have a plan,,,lol you all always have such good input on here and i know

someone can help me make the right decisions being that you have all

dealt

with this in one way or another,,,,,

thanks.....Donna ,,,mother of Sylena 15 months and Syrena 3

months,DS,,and

possibly one more on the way...=+)~,,,one day i will figure out what

causes

this,,,lol>>

ha ha Donna! You must be busy with those 2 young ones! My son

is 9 1/2 and I am battling the school system for Ted not to be

segregated.

I believe that being included is more beneficial for all.

Gail

[Guest guest]

It's never to early to think about education, Donna. I'm glad that you are

planning ahead. You may not be deciding between acceptance and education.

Of course our kids are accepted at special schools, we keep the folks there

employed. If the regular ed. teachers depended on our kids for their jobs,

they would be more accepting and promote acceptance a little more

thoroughly. IMHO.

I think you should see what kind of program each situations offers with

regard to speech, academics, and physical education and therapy. Which

school will provide more services? Which situation will push academics?

Get all the facts about each program and then decide. You'll need more than

acceptance.

Elaine

thinking of education early.....

> Hi, I am the new mommy of a baby girl named Syrena, I have read postings

and

> e-mails from people who are having trouble with their childs schooling.

> ..well at home we have a wonderful place called Kings Daughters and it is

a

> school for children and adults with special needs, I was fortunate a few

> years back to live and work in the home where the children and adults

> stayed,,, my question is,,,, should i enroll my daughter in this school or

> should i push for public education in order for her to reach her highest

> potential? i am faced with putting her in Kings Daughters and knowing she

> will be totally excepted there or putting her in public school where the

> teachers and students may not be as excepting, i know i am thinking of all

> this way too early,,,she is only 3 months old but i guess it never hurts

to

> have a plan,,,lol you all always have such good input on here and i know

> someone can help me make the right decisions being that you have all dealt

> with this in one way or another,,,,,

>

> thanks.....Donna ,,,mother of Sylena 15 months and Syrena 3 months,DS,,and

> possibly one more on the way...=+)~,,,one day i will figure out what

causes

> this,,,lol

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna, My grandson goes to a handicapped

school and is doing great there .He is in second grade

with 9 other kids, one teacher and three aides,all of

them use signs or pecs until the words come.They do

academics but at a slower pace.We feel this is the

best route so far for him but do not rule out

inclusion down the road.HIs speech is getting better

all the time but has a ways to go.They syay with the

same group for five years so they really form a bond

..As a former teacher i have seen many times where the

disabled child is not getting his needs met in a

regular class room despite the best effort by the

teacher.The social aspect is good but most kids have

sibs ,cousins ,or neighborhood kids to play with.Many

people are adament on inclusion no matter what so this

opinion is totally mine but has been the best for

.Weigh your options but always do what is best

for your child.On a lighter side we hadtwo children

13 months apart until we figured out nah it aint the

water!!!

--- gboughton@... wrote:

> <<she is only 3 months old but i guess it never

> hurts to

> have a plan,,,lol you all always have such good

> input on here and i know

>

> someone can help me make the right decisions being

> that you have all

> dealt

> with this in one way or another,,,,,

>

> thanks.....Donna ,,,mother of Sylena 15 months and

> Syrena 3

> months,DS,,and

> possibly one more on the way...=+)~,,,one day i will

> figure out what

> causes

> this,,,lol>>

>

> ha ha Donna! You must be busy with those 2 young

> ones! My son

> is 9 1/2 and I am battling the school system for Ted

> not to be

> segregated.

> I believe that being included is more beneficial

> for all.

> Gail

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

=====

Carole,wife to rich, mom to angela and shawn .m-i-l to cindy and george and

grandmom to jared 8 d s and asd , ashley 6 adhd and possible asd logan 2

all boy and seth 6month charmer.

Psalm#37 verse39 But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD:he is their

strength in the time of trouble.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi, My son is 8 and he went to a preschool for

the handicapped. I believe it was very beneficial for

him as he had theorapy every day, speech ot and pt.

(OT is occupational thearapy which deals with fine

motor skills,finger usage is the biggee here.)( PTis

gross motor skills which includes walking and all that

the whole body does.) started at around six

months with one on one thearopy with me included till

about 18 months where he joined a class of 3 to 5

kids. stayed there till he was 5 and now is

included in his neighborhood school and doing very

well. I believe that this worked for him because the

preschool set up very well and was an excellent

school. Also our school district is very into

inclusion and so that is working at this time. Find

out all your options and look into an infant program

in your area. It helps so much. Pam

--- carole any <carole9545@...> wrote:

> Hi Donna, My grandson goes to a handicapped

> school and is doing great there .He is in second

> grade

> with 9 other kids, one teacher and three aides,all

> of

> them use signs or pecs until the words come.They do

> academics but at a slower pace.We feel this is the

> best route so far for him but do not rule out

> inclusion down the road.HIs speech is getting better

> all the time but has a ways to go.They syay with the

> same group for five years so they really form a bond

> .As a former teacher i have seen many times where

> the

> disabled child is not getting his needs met in a

> regular class room despite the best effort by the

> teacher.The social aspect is good but most kids have

> sibs ,cousins ,or neighborhood kids to play

> with.Many

> people are adament on inclusion no matter what so

> this

> opinion is totally mine but has been the best for

> .Weigh your options but always do what is best

> for your child.On a lighter side we hadtwo children

> 13 months apart until we figured out nah it aint the

> water!!!

> --- gboughton@... wrote:

> > <<she is only 3 months old but i guess it never

> > hurts to

> > have a plan,,,lol you all always have such good

> > input on here and i know

> >

> > someone can help me make the right decisions being

> > that you have all

> > dealt

> > with this in one way or another,,,,,

> >

> > thanks.....Donna ,,,mother of Sylena 15 months and

> > Syrena 3

> > months,DS,,and

> > possibly one more on the way...=+)~,,,one day i

> will

> > figure out what

> > causes

> > this,,,lol>>

> >

> > ha ha Donna! You must be busy with those 2 young

> > ones! My son

> > is 9 1/2 and I am battling the school system for

> Ted

> > not to be

> > segregated.

> > I believe that being included is more beneficial

> > for all.

> > Gail

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> =====

>

> Carole,wife to rich, mom to angela and shawn .m-i-l

> to cindy and george and grandmom to jared 8 d s

> and asd , ashley 6 adhd and possible asd logan 2

> all boy and seth 6month charmer.

>

> Psalm#37 verse39 But the salvation of the

> righteous is of the LORD:he is their strength in the

> time of trouble.

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I'm with you, Gail. I keep hearing how much the other students benefit, but

not how much the handicapped student benefits. Especially in the upper

grades. I've watched the genius students get bored and drop out of school

because of inclusion, and I've watched handicapped students get frustrated

and no longer invited to parties and such when his peers became old enough

to date. Those who weren't dropped were often sexually, and sometimes

financially, exploited by their peers. Also, I've yet to meet an included

student who is as high functioning as my Bear was at the same age.

granny

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Re: thinking of education early.....

> Hi Donna, My grandson goes to a handicapped

> school and is doing great there .

[Guest guest]

Ahhhhhhh, this is the question we all ask ourselves time and again. There

is, in my opinion, no right answer. As your daughter gets older, you will

know, as her mom, what her strengths and weaknesses are. Then you will pick

the program that is best for her - regardless of inclusion or not. That is

what I did. You will find many arguments for and against inclusive

settings. Don't stress about it now, just enjoy your angel and you will

know. We all make mistakes about the choices we make but they can be fixed.

I originally tried inclusion in our local public school and this made both

of us miserable. My son now attends a private special needs school and

is doing fantastically!!!!!! Worth the extra travel time and the

non-inclusive setting for him to be learning soooooo much and being happy to

go to school. This is what is working for us right now but that is not set

in stone and maybe one day we will move him back? Who knows. Just enjoy

her and your rapidly growing family ;-)

Dawn (mom to 7ds)

thinking of education early.....

Hi, I am the new mommy of a baby girl named Syrena, I have read postings and

e-mails from people who are having trouble with their childs schooling.

...well at home we have a wonderful place called Kings Daughters and it is a

school for children and adults with special needs, I was fortunate a few

years back to live and work in the home where the children and adults

stayed,,, my question is,,,, should i enroll my daughter in this school or

should i push for public education in order for her to reach her highest

potential? i am faced with putting her in Kings Daughters and knowing she

will be totally excepted there or putting her in public school where the

teachers and students may not be as excepting, i know i am thinking of all

this way too early,,,she is only 3 months old but i guess it never hurts to

have a plan,,,lol you all always have such good input on here and i know

someone can help me make the right decisions being that you have all dealt

with this in one way or another,,,,,

thanks.....Donna ,,,mother of Sylena 15 months and Syrena 3 months,DS,,and

possibly one more on the way...=+)~,,,one day i will figure out what causes

this,,,lol