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Beth, you're right to take offense. I believe this was a statement quoted from

a chiropractor, and they've always been outspoken and even cultish in their

opposition to surgery. My dad remembers his family's chiropractor, circa 1940,

making the comment that if a particular family member let a surgeon " cut into "

my father's aunt, the chiropractor would " cut into " him! But to be fair to the

chiropractors, fear of surgery was not at all unfounded then, and, frankly, it

is often still founded today. But the professional rivalry, and the

looking-down-the-nose that MDs have traditionally given to chiropractors are

surely also to blame for such rhetoric.

I feel both sides are wearing blinders, though education of both has undoubtedly

improved over the years.

Yes, the surgeons who operated on us years ago were doing what they believed was

the best way to prolong our lives and preserve our quality of life. And it was

the best they had to offer at the time, miserable an experience as it was. They

were blind to the potential harmful effects then, and I have no doubt they are

currently blind to others, or at least limited by technology to prevent them.

I am quite disappointed that with all the miraculous advances made in the

medical field in the past 30 years, they still have nothing better to offer for

severe or progressing scoliosis than fusion. I will take the risk of

prognosticating here and say that there will always be serious undesirable

effects created by fusion surgery for scoliosis.

I believe they do currently have better ways to treat my deformity, congenital

scoliosis, in that they currently operate very early to correct the malformation

of the affected vertebrae, thus allowing the remaining portions of the spine to

grow straight. I think this could have been the case for me had I been born

25-30 years later. I'm guessing I could have had a much smaller fusion and

maybe averted flatback.

So, yes, they are making progress, but I do wish they'd do more thinking

" outside the box " , and look to more aggressive programs of early intervention,

gene therapy for genetically at-risk children, etc.

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Hi All,

I have been sitting here reading with fascination (not to mention mild to

moderate horror!) the postings from " bahadreama " (?who are you?) as well as the

comments from Sharon, etc. While some may find stories like hers (his?)

incredible, they are not really that usual for anyone who sought help for

scoliosis in the early days of surgical intervention.

I take great offense, however, to the comparison of surgeons in those early

days of Harrington rods and Riser body cast to HITLER??!!! Give me a break!!!

Granted, the surgeries and long, bed-ridden months of recuperation may seem

" over-the-top " and " barbaric " as compared to how scoliosis is treated in the

21st century but those skilled, wonderful Orthopedic surgeons who performed

Harrington rod surgeries in the 60's, 70's (and even into the early 80's in some

areas), they were doing the best and ONLY surgical procedures they knew of!!! I

personally thank GOD for my first Orthopedic surgeon in 1970!! I had my surgery

done at the Cleveland Clinic Hospital by one of the most skilled and respected

Orthopedic surgeons in the country. My parents were terrified to put their,

apparently healthy 16 y/o daughter, through a surgery and recuperation like what

I had done; but I am so grateful to them and to my first surgeon for giving me

the opportunity for a normal, happy, healthy life for the past 34 years!!! My

father passed away in 1987; and for many years after my surgery, he often

questioned their decision in 1970...until I placed his Grandson, my first and

only child, in his arms on February 12, 1985!!!

I don't know what my life would have been like had I not had my Harrington

rod surgery...sure, I have had to have revision surgery for Flatback Syndrome;

and yes, it was probably a direct result of the method used to correct my 78

degree curve!!!! An YES, I still have residual neuro and bone pain as a result

of the Flatback...but NEVER on even the worst day of pain I can remember, would

I compare what I've gone through to the horrors inflicted on human beings by

Hitler!!!

" OOPS! I DID IT AGAIN " as the Brittany Spears song goes!! I went off on one

of my tirades!! Apologies to those who don't know me and my penchant for going

ballistic in my postings!!

All the best,

Beth

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Sharon, I was watching TV about a month ago and it was talking about

the new technology for young scoliosis patients.How they can now

perform the laproscopic and only make a few holes on their side so

they don't even have scars. And maybe I heard this or did I dream

this. I thought they said that in the future that a person could

wear a cast with some sort of wire connected to the cast pulling the

spine in the right direction so they didn't have to fuse at all.

Does that sound like science fiction or what?

Sandy

> Beth, you're right to take offense. I believe this was a

statement quoted from a chiropractor, and they've always been

outspoken and even cultish in their opposition to surgery. My dad

remembers his family's chiropractor, circa 1940, making the comment

that if a particular family member let a surgeon " cut into " my

father's aunt, the chiropractor would " cut into " him! But to be

fair to the chiropractors, fear of surgery was not at all unfounded

then, and, frankly, it is often still founded today. But the

professional rivalry, and the looking-down-the-nose that MDs have

traditionally given to chiropractors are surely also to blame for

such rhetoric.

>

> I feel both sides are wearing blinders, though education of both

has undoubtedly improved over the years.

>

> Yes, the surgeons who operated on us years ago were doing what

they believed was the best way to prolong our lives and preserve our

quality of life. And it was the best they had to offer at the time,

miserable an experience as it was. They were blind to the potential

harmful effects then, and I have no doubt they are currently blind

to others, or at least limited by technology to prevent them.

>

> I am quite disappointed that with all the miraculous advances made

in the medical field in the past 30 years, they still have nothing

better to offer for severe or progressing scoliosis than fusion. I

will take the risk of prognosticating here and say that there will

always be serious undesirable effects created by fusion surgery for

scoliosis.

>

> I believe they do currently have better ways to treat my

deformity, congenital scoliosis, in that they currently operate very

early to correct the malformation of the affected vertebrae, thus

allowing the remaining portions of the spine to grow straight. I

think this could have been the case for me had I been born 25-30

years later. I'm guessing I could have had a much smaller fusion

and maybe averted flatback.

>

> So, yes, they are making progress, but I do wish they'd do more

thinking " outside the box " , and look to more aggressive programs of

early intervention, gene therapy for genetically at-risk children,

etc.

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>

>

> Hi All,

> I have been sitting here reading with fascination (not to

mention mild to moderate horror!) the postings from " bahadreama " (?

who are you?) as well as the comments from Sharon, etc. While some

may find stories like hers (his?) incredible, they are not really

that usual for anyone who sought help for scoliosis in the early

days of surgical intervention.

> I take great offense, however, to the comparison of surgeons

in those early days of Harrington rods and Riser body cast to

HITLER??!!! Give me a break!!! Granted, the surgeries and long, bed-

ridden months of recuperation may seem " over-the-top " and " barbaric "

as compared to how scoliosis is treated in the 21st century but

those skilled, wonderful Orthopedic surgeons who performed

Harrington rod surgeries in the 60's, 70's (and even into the early

80's in some areas), they were doing the best and ONLY surgical

procedures they knew of!!! I personally thank GOD for my first

Orthopedic surgeon in 1970!! I had my surgery done at the Cleveland

Clinic Hospital by one of the most skilled and respected Orthopedic

surgeons in the country. My parents were terrified to put their,

apparently healthy 16 y/o daughter, through a surgery and

recuperation like what I had done; but I am so grateful to them and

to my first surgeon for giving me the opportunity for a normal,

happy, healthy life for the past 34 years!!! My father passed away

in 1987; and for many years after my surgery, he often questioned

their decision in 1970...until I placed his Grandson, my first and

only child, in his arms on February 12, 1985!!!

> I don't know what my life would have been like had I not had

my Harrington rod surgery...sure, I have had to have revision

surgery for Flatback Syndrome; and yes, it was probably a direct

result of the method used to correct my 78 degree curve!!!! An YES,

I still have residual neuro and bone pain as a result of the

Flatback...but NEVER on even the worst day of pain I can remember,

would I compare what I've gone through to the horrors inflicted on

human beings by Hitler!!!

> " OOPS! I DID IT AGAIN " as the Brittany Spears song goes!! I

went off on one of my tirades!! Apologies to those who don't know me

and my penchant for going ballistic in my postings!!

>

> All the best,

> Beth

>

>

>

> Support for scoliosis-surgery veterans with Harrington Rod

Malalignment Syndrome. Not medical advice. Group does not control

ads or endorse any advertised products.

>

>

>

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The first operation I have seen described quite well on the net. It's still a

fusion, with a painful, lengthy recovery, but normally does not require blood

transfusion, and leaves no large scar. I believe they said part of a rib is

removed for it, and they do have to collapse a lung temporarily during the

surgery.

The other thing does sound like science fiction.

I wonder if artificial discs might hold part of the answer, or if it might be

possible to devise a hardware system that straightens the spine while not

eliminating flexibility. Probably the most important goal is to figure out the

biological mechanism that causes idiopathic scoliosis. If they don't know what

causes it, how can they be expected to prevent or cure it?

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>

>

> Hi All,

> I have been sitting here reading with fascination (not to

mention mild to moderate horror!) the postings from " bahadreama " (?

who are you?) as well as the comments from Sharon, etc. While some

may find stories like hers (his?) incredible, they are not really

that usual for anyone who sought help for scoliosis in the early

days of surgical intervention.

> I take great offense, however, to the comparison of surgeons

in those early days of Harrington rods and Riser body cast to

HITLER??!!! Give me a break!!! Granted, the surgeries and long, bed-

ridden months of recuperation may seem " over-the-top " and " barbaric "

as compared to how scoliosis is treated in the 21st century but

those skilled, wonderful Orthopedic surgeons who performed

Harrington rod surgeries in the 60's, 70's (and even into the early

80's in some areas), they were doing the best and ONLY surgical

procedures they knew of!!! I personally thank GOD for my first

Orthopedic surgeon in 1970!! I had my surgery done at the Cleveland

Clinic Hospital by one of the most skilled and respected Orthopedic

surgeons in the country. My parents were terrified to put their,

apparently healthy 16 y/o daughter, through a surgery and

recuperation like what I had done; but I am so grateful to them and

to my first surgeon for giving me the opportunity for a normal,

happy, healthy life for the past 34 years!!! My father passed away

in 1987; and for many years after my surgery, he often questioned

their decision in 1970...until I placed his Grandson, my first and

only child, in his arms on February 12, 1985!!!

> I don't know what my life would have been like had I not had

my Harrington rod surgery...sure, I have had to have revision

surgery for Flatback Syndrome; and yes, it was probably a direct

result of the method used to correct my 78 degree curve!!!! An YES,

I still have residual neuro and bone pain as a result of the

Flatback...but NEVER on even the worst day of pain I can remember,

would I compare what I've gone through to the horrors inflicted on

human beings by Hitler!!!

> " OOPS! I DID IT AGAIN " as the Brittany Spears song goes!! I

went off on one of my tirades!! Apologies to those who don't know me

and my penchant for going ballistic in my postings!!

>

> All the best,

> Beth

>

>

>

> Support for scoliosis-surgery veterans with Harrington Rod

Malalignment Syndrome. Not medical advice. Group does not control

ads or endorse any advertised products.

>

>

>

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Sharon, I like your idea of a hardware system that straightens the

spine with out eliminating flexibility or fusing. That sounds VERY

feasible to me!Why couldn't they put the rods along the spine & then

wire parts of the spine to the rods to keep it growing straight? And

go in periodically (like braces on teeth) and adjust them. I agree

the technology should have been farther along by now. I guess not

enough famous people have scoliosis or population wise there are not

enough of us.

Eleven years ago when I had my surgery, my orthopedist said I would

need the bottom 2 discs fused in 10 or 20 years depending on if I

did the right things, I guess I didn't do the right things and I

didn't even think to ask him what the right things were. I was too

wrapped up in the present surgery. Darn, I wish it were 20 years

because in 9 more years the artifical disc will probably be

available to us long fusions. Unfortunaly, I can't wait that long.

Sandy

> > Beth, you're right to take offense. I believe this was a

> statement quoted from a chiropractor, and they've always been

> outspoken and even cultish in their opposition to surgery. My

dad

> remembers his family's chiropractor, circa 1940, making the

comment

> that if a particular family member let a surgeon " cut into " my

> father's aunt, the chiropractor would " cut into " him! But to be

> fair to the chiropractors, fear of surgery was not at all

unfounded

> then, and, frankly, it is often still founded today. But the

> professional rivalry, and the looking-down-the-nose that MDs

have

> traditionally given to chiropractors are surely also to blame

for

> such rhetoric.

> >

> > I feel both sides are wearing blinders, though education of

both

> has undoubtedly improved over the years.

> >

> > Yes, the surgeons who operated on us years ago were doing what

> they believed was the best way to prolong our lives and preserve

our

> quality of life. And it was the best they had to offer at the

time,

> miserable an experience as it was. They were blind to the

potential

> harmful effects then, and I have no doubt they are currently

blind

> to others, or at least limited by technology to prevent them.

> >

> > I am quite disappointed that with all the miraculous advances

made

> in the medical field in the past 30 years, they still have

nothing

> better to offer for severe or progressing scoliosis than

fusion. I

> will take the risk of prognosticating here and say that there

will

> always be serious undesirable effects created by fusion surgery

for

> scoliosis.

> >

> > I believe they do currently have better ways to treat my

> deformity, congenital scoliosis, in that they currently operate

very

> early to correct the malformation of the affected vertebrae,

thus

> allowing the remaining portions of the spine to grow straight.

I

> think this could have been the case for me had I been born 25-30

> years later. I'm guessing I could have had a much smaller

fusion

> and maybe averted flatback.

> >

> > So, yes, they are making progress, but I do wish they'd do

more

> thinking " outside the box " , and look to more aggressive programs

of

> early intervention, gene therapy for genetically at-risk

children,

> etc.

> > Re: Re:OLD HARRINGTONS

> >

> >

> > Hi All,

> > I have been sitting here reading with fascination (not to

> mention mild to moderate horror!) the postings from " bahadreama "

(?

> who are you?) as well as the comments from Sharon, etc. While

some

> may find stories like hers (his?) incredible, they are not

really

> that usual for anyone who sought help for scoliosis in the early

> days of surgical intervention.

> > I take great offense, however, to the comparison of

surgeons

> in those early days of Harrington rods and Riser body cast to

> HITLER??!!! Give me a break!!! Granted, the surgeries and long,

bed-

> ridden months of recuperation may seem " over-the-top "

and " barbaric "

> as compared to how scoliosis is treated in the 21st century but

> those skilled, wonderful Orthopedic surgeons who performed

> Harrington rod surgeries in the 60's, 70's (and even into the

early

> 80's in some areas), they were doing the best and ONLY surgical

> procedures they knew of!!! I personally thank GOD for my first

> Orthopedic surgeon in 1970!! I had my surgery done at the

Cleveland

> Clinic Hospital by one of the most skilled and respected

Orthopedic

> surgeons in the country. My parents were terrified to put their,

> apparently healthy 16 y/o daughter, through a surgery and

> recuperation like what I had done; but I am so grateful to them

and

> to my first surgeon for giving me the opportunity for a normal,

> happy, healthy life for the past 34 years!!! My father passed

away

> in 1987; and for many years after my surgery, he often

questioned

> their decision in 1970...until I placed his Grandson, my first

and

> only child, in his arms on February 12, 1985!!!

> > I don't know what my life would have been like had I not

had

> my Harrington rod surgery...sure, I have had to have revision

> surgery for Flatback Syndrome; and yes, it was probably a direct

> result of the method used to correct my 78 degree curve!!!! An

YES,

> I still have residual neuro and bone pain as a result of the

> Flatback...but NEVER on even the worst day of pain I can

remember,

> would I compare what I've gone through to the horrors inflicted

on

> human beings by Hitler!!!

> > " OOPS! I DID IT AGAIN " as the Brittany Spears song goes!!

I

> went off on one of my tirades!! Apologies to those who don't

know me

> and my penchant for going ballistic in my postings!!

> >

> > All the best,

> > Beth

> >

> >

> >

> > Support for scoliosis-surgery veterans with Harrington Rod

> Malalignment Syndrome. Not medical advice. Group does not

control

> ads or endorse any advertised products.

> >

> >

> >

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